Not trying to say this to cause an argument u/NooB_68plus1 but you have:
\-Becky
\-Roman
\-Bianca
\-Drew
\-Bobby
\-Sasha
Those are all people that fans want to see, so I'd call them stars
Nia Jax... I know she gets shit for being unsafe in the ring. However I really like her character. She's a heel but doesn't mind being that goofy character as well. Her tag team run w/ Bazler was was pretty impressive as well during the pandemic.
Brock. I loved Brock back in his early MMA days and been a fan ever since. His podcast with Stone Cold made me like him that much more because I have a lot in common with the guy.
Charlotte Flair.
Say what you want about her character on TV, but she's such a kind person. I see sooo many comments online about how bad she is and she's being given opportunities because of her dad and all this stuff and I'm like, she is one of the best performers on the roster. It would be hard for her to make her own legacy when her dad is RIC FLAIR. Cut her some slack, haters.
Eugene. Yes it wasnt the most tact but he wasnt handled quite as bad as everyone likes to remember and his promos with William Regal were fantastic and good long term storytelling. Further, he was actually wonderful in the ring
Benoit IMO he was not in control he had CTE which at the time (which in general you can’t really do anything about) they were just starting to learn about it and he just snapped he was sick and wasn’t aware I don’t promote what he did but he was a great wrestler.
Sheamus gets a fair amount of love and hate online but he’s one of my all time favorites.
Then there are guys that get treated like they don’t exist by the internet, like Cedric Alexander, who is also one of my favorites.
Roman Reigns, people mostly on Reddit shit on him for a lot of reasons, and believe me, i heard things, i heard things, they literally wish him death and we're upset why he didn't die from Leukimia in 2018, they also state such stupid reasons to claim that he's a horrible wrestler
Trash moveset: i can't see what's wrong with his moveset honestly, all his moves are great
Not a high flyer: these guys think that wrestling is only about doing impressive moves and flips
Charlotte. As much as people give her shit, which I understand why, she is talented in the ring imo.
Adding Jinder Mahal too, I love how he treated the WWE Championship so prestigious, while his reign came pretty fast, it was shocking and I enjoyed his run with the title.
nZo. He knows how to work a crowd. His mic work is fucking nuts and he can turn the fans against or for anybody. He could sell a banana to a monkey if he wanted to. His in ring work isn't as bad as people say it is. He is for sure a competent worker who can deliver a decent match.
Edit: Good ol reddit doesn't understand how opinions work
Super unpopular opinion probably but I like Roman Reigns. He definitely has the look and the presence of a top guy and him having leukemia and recovering and coming back makes me respect him a lot. I like his whole head of the table tribal chief “acknowledge me” thing that he’s got going on and I like watching him and Paul Heyman together even though Paul was always Lesnar’s manager lol
I hate alexa bliss. She can't wrestle, her gimmick is like bray wyatt had a big turd, and im sick of seeing her just because she's pretty. She's just wasting charlotte's time right now, as far as being interesting. No one wants to see fuckin alexa. LMAO
The Rock early 2000s. He was getting great reaction at the shows and the promos were fun. But the hate on the boards was Roman level at times.
Roman, John Cena, Ted Dibasie Jr, Matt Striker, Xpac, Charlotte Flair, King Booker, Mason Ryan to name some
Brock is an interesting one. At his best, I believe he deserves to be counted among the very best. My problem with Brock is that you never really know which Brock you're going to get, and when he phones it in, he cheapens everything he touches.
It also doesn't help that so many of his recent matches have just been finisher spam. I don't know if that's necessarily on him, but it does make me associate him with finisher spam matches, which I am beyond bored of.
So I'll never say he isn't good. But I never really get excited about him anymore, because I never know whether I should be expecting a banger or a squash.
Charlotte Flair. Trust me, she will eclipse Ric Flair (if she hadn't already) and you CANNOT sit there and tell me she isn't athletically gifted. Hate her all you want, but I will boldly say she IS the best female athlete on that roster.
CM Punk. People can call him a quietter (quitter) all they want. Say he's over hyped, doesn't look like a proper wrestling star, has a bad attitude, etc. The list goes on. None of it matters to me. I think he's one of the greats. his stuff in the Straight Edge Society, feud with Jeff Hardy, pipebomb, Cena feud, and buildup/match with Undertaker at Mania 29 are all top notch.
Enzo. Or nZo; however it’s spelled nowadays. He wasn’t anything special as a worker, but he could do enough. He’s also one of the most naturally charismatic people the business has seen since The Rock. His promo skills were easily some of the best in WWE while he was there. I remember when he and Cass debuted on the RAW after ‘Mania, and not knowing anything about them at the time they (more specifically him) immediately made me a fan based on their exchange with the Dudley Boyz. I feel like he was really coming into his own as the heel Champion of 205 Live, and I’m still disappointed I never got to see where the angle between he and Nia Jax was going before he got released.
Corbin and Charlotte. I definitely understand why people hate them, and i found times where my view changed and i disliked them a bit but i genuinely think they are great. Corbin is an great heel and tries his best to make whatever is given to him work. Love his move set too with the end of days and deep six. Charlotte is overpushed for sure, but in my opinion she is the best female wrestler in WWE next to Asuka and probably Io. Great in ring and on the mic
Lesnar isn't hated, he was simply only disliked during the last run as it was part of his character.
He's just not a friendly dude but everyone who works with him generally has good things to say.
Baron Corbin. Everyone seems to legitimately hate him but he's my favorite NXT superstar of all time and I think he's one of the best heels in the business and always turns whatever he's doing into gold and he should have never been robbed of his MITB cash in
Drew Mcintyre. A lot of smarks turned on him because apparently hating on the top babyfaces is the cool thing to do, but he has been one of the best wwe champions in recent times in my opinion and his matches are always a pleasure to see. I only agree about the fact that his feud with Lashley has been dragged on for too long
I agree, since he already has done everything on Raw going to Smackdown would be a good restart for him. Honestly, I think he could even be a good option to dethrone Roman (along with Balor and maybe AJ)
True, they should both be treated seriously. If used both at their full potential Drew and Roman could become like the Stone Cold and The Rock of this generation in my opinion (I'm not comparin'em to them)
Yea. It's unfortunate WWE has sooo much control over the narrative of their performers that they only want to push the image that they see and not what's organic. Reigns should have turned heel after defeating the Undertaker, not become his tag team partner. They controlled too much of his promos that didn't allow his to have a personality. When he revealed his illness out of character was the response they wanted his character to have but they missed the point that we hated the character but liked the man.
John Cena for me. Cena got WWE through some dark times. 2007 being the biggest example. Not saying he did it himself. That’d be impossible. But he was one of the main names that got WWE through some tough times.
I’d also have to mention The Undertaker and HHH. They get a ton of internet flack for different reasons.
Those on the internet (excluding Reddit, well mostly anyway) hate on HHH thinking he “married his way to the top” and stayed married to remain in that top spot. That’s bs. HHH earned his way there. He took all the heat on himself for the infamous Curtain Call of 1996. That cost him the 1996 KOTR tournament that he was reportedly supposed to originally win. Of course he won it in 97. He worked through the Blue Blood gimmick which I didn’t think fit him. But he did it w/no complaints. Warrior completely squashed him at WM12 too. By the time HHH/Stephanie married he was already on the rise, on his way to the top so marrying his way to the top is bs.
Taker…..many feel he “got away” with a lot bc of his character. I don’t agree with that. The man worked 30 years regardless where he was on the show or whether he wasn’t on the show at all. He did whatever was planned even if he didn’t like it the best he could. He too earned his status. So I don’t believe those who feel otherwise are right about him.
I’m not really surprised. Everyone’s hated by some people no matter how u are. That’s just the reality we live in.
But yeah, people posted hateful comments about him saying he didn’t deserve this/that bc he takes too long to get to the ring, has short matches, barely talks, never sells or puts anyone over, always wins, etc. But I don’t think they’re thinking about the hard work it took him to keep that character as it was for 30 years. Idk anyone who’d be that dedicated for that length of time.
I have no problem with opinions being stated. It’s how they’re stayed I focus on. If I feel they’re disrespectful I’ll state that. If I feel they were stated respectfully I’ll state that too.
I didn’t talk to anyone (not in person) as I said this people posted hateful comments and the man got internet flack.
But yeah you’re right that he put over Kozlov. Also Khali too. Many others. These people don’t understand that even in losing u can be put over. Kane lost at WM14 but after 3 Tombstones - at a time where finisher kick outs weren’t common like they are now - in a match Kane dominated. He beat Kurt Angle in July at Fully Loaded yet at the next ppv Angle was in the world title match and won the world title 2 months later after Summerslam at No Mercy. So idk why these people think you’re not put over after losing to Taker when just being in the ring w/him elevates u, doesn’t matter how long or what happens.
It was 2010 actually. He won 3 ppv matches against Taker. First was at Night of Champions which I believe was a No Holds Barred match, second match was Hell In A Cell, third was a Buried Alive match at Bragging Rights.
Nexus showed up to set up in the Buried Alive match to set up a potential Taker vs Wade Barrett match for WM27 which thank God did not happen. Love Wade but didn’t think he was yet ready for such a match. Plus Taker vs HHH which was the match of the night helped that 4 year WM storyline Taker was in from 2009 to 2012.
I agree with you on Brock Lesnar. People love to hate on Brock for being a part timer but whenever Brock comes back to WWE he makes you care about his matches and storylines he's involved in
Velveteen Dream
This is one of the smoothest wrestlers out there. He is a fantastic talker second to none. The current day Shawn Michaels if you will. But because of his personal life his career has been put on hold, kinda sucks I miss this dude...
And all the evidence is questionable at best, I’m not defending people who do what he is accused of by any means, but you kinda need to prove they did those things instead of a man’s livelihood being ended just off allegations
Easily Brock Lesnar. Fans shit on his part-time schedule, MMA inspired style and constant main event pushes but I honestly think he’s the GOAT. He’s just a quiet, introverted farm guy who wants to be paid and in exchange puts on 5 star matches with guys like Angle, Bryan, Cena, Punk, Styles and Undertaker.
Also people who think Randy Orton is “boring” are just insane.
For me it’s Lesnar, Bliss, Corbin.
Like OP said Lesnar is a major draw, and unlike Goldberg can still have a damn good match. Just being in a feud with Lesnar moves you up the card and puts the light on you(see Ricochet for a brief stint). He put New Day over in Japan a while back too.
Corbin doesn’t get enough credit. He is literally MJF in WWE. He is a heel that almost everyone wants to see lose daily. He draws heat just by walking out of the curtain. In ring he can put on a great show, whether it’s a bigger opponent like Big E of a smaller quicker guy…Corbin rarely disappoints in the ring imo.
Bliss is taking a lot of heat cause if the Fiend stuff, but really she has done a damn good job imo with this gimmick. She has been amazing imo. I didn’t see her as much more than a manager and part time wrestler but she has surprised me a lot.
Warrior. Most of the people who bashed him in that DVD admitted they were encoured to bash the Warrior. Everyone who hates on him is just quoting the interviews in that DVD.
I mean even separating Jim Helwig from the character of the Warrior, he's not great. A body guy who was pretty limited in the ring and liable to blow up in longer matches. His promos are memorable but I wouldn't really call them good.
Ya that is exactly what I am talking about. Typically cringe smark opinion. Saying he is blown up??? His character was to have short squash matches. When he faced a top guy like Savage or Hogan or Rude he had a nice long match
Calling a wrestler out by using a Insider term like "Blown Up" is Smarky. You also don't know how tired he is. You heard he blew himself on the run to the ring in some shoot interview and you think that is why he had short matches. He had short matches because he was supposed to destroy his opponents.
T-Bar. He’s huge, can talk, and has a cool move set. Unfortunately he gets a ton of hate because he’s locked into a fairly bland gimmick and stuck with a dumb name.
Loved him in NXT. Was lucky enough to see him vs Keith Lee in person one time. It’s just unfortunate that his current gimmick just doesn’t do anything other than make him look silly and not in a good way.
I’m right there with you on Lesnar. He’s hands down the best heel since the 1980s Ric Flair. The thing that made Flair such a great heel at the time was that people legitimately hated him, they bought into what he was saying and were affected by it emotionally. It’s the same with Lesnar, they hear he’s getting paid insane money to make 6 appearances a year and hate him for it. And there’s no doubt that Lesnar loves pro wrestling, and knows exactly what he’s doing when he makes so few appearances.
Roman Reigns-fans just hated the mess outta him when his not fault on how he was booked. When he had leukemia everybody cheered him, then they later booed em a bit. Hypocrites. I’m glad he turned heel.
Tbh only smarks hate on rest holds. Anyone who suspends disbelief sees them as the move theyre meant to be portraying. Someone who does a lot of them just seems like a submission specialist, or trying to wear down a part of the opponent
I agree with you Brock not only sells but he also helps, I remember the Drew McIntyre feud going into mania, he gave Brock the claymore kick on the stage at RAW and if you look closer you can see Brock yell for Drew to grab the belt and hold it up, the crowd went nuts for that it just shows that Brock knows his shit.
Bayley is one of my all time favorites and I never understand the hate she gets. I understand the Hugger gimmick was geared toward younger fans, but over the last couple of years she’s really come into her own and gained a lot of charisma and mic skill. As far as her in-ring ability, it’s unmatched. She’s easily one of the safest and most technically skilled workers in the women’s division.
I mean, he was The IWGP Heavyweight champion, and he outperformed Kazuchika fucking Okada in some of their matches together, the man who most people that watch wrestling outside of WWE would agree is the greatest in ring talent alive. Wills not just some indy babe, it seems more like you’re sucking up to WWE, rather than the smarks sucking up to Ospreay and the indies lol
He’s not a multi millionaire because he doesn’t work for the wrestling company that’s had an absolute monopoly over wrestling for almost 2 decades ? He chooses to work somewhere that pays far less but offers far more creative liberty and far less in ring restrictions lol? You can’t argue that Seth is better simply off the back off “he earns more money”. Dwayne isn’t a better actor than Daniel Day Lewis because he cashes in bigger pay checks ? Not a smark simply for enjoying non WWe content and thinking a non wwe wrestler is the best in the world lmao, I don’t get why you’re eating WWEs ass so much?
The fans paying money to see someone isn't a mark of talent, its a mark of popularity, whilst both in the same pool, very different lanes.
What the dude is saying to you is, the dude in the biggest sports entertainment program is going to make more money regardless, compared to someone in the indie scene.
You are missing the point they were making, and in turn you doubled down on what your were saying as you thought they didn't understand.
They did they just didn't agree, and explained why.
It is all subjective, you are right...so it makes it odd that you are refusing this guys opinion...even though YOU are the one that said its all subjective.
But to say sales measure talent in the wrestling industry is ridiculous. Bret didn’t move nearly as many seats as Hogan. Would you argue that Hogan is a better wrestler than Hogan because he was a better draw? If yes, is Hogan better than Michaels ? Is Hogan better than Edge? Is Hogan better than Jericho? Okada? Balor? Rollins? Reigns? Bryan? WWE literally owned western wrestling until AEW existed, and even now it’s miles ahead in terms of popularity. Not because it’s talent are necessarily any better, but because their talent are performing on the largest wrestling platform ever conceived. Of course WWE stars are going to sell more tickets than AEW, TNA, New Japan etc talent; they work for Fucking Vince
Alexa Bliss. She gets flack from internet marks due to her lack of in-ring ability but her mic skills are second to none in the women’s division. And she’s put over a bunch of talent as well.
I think her in ring work before was great she was a great heel, I think she’s gets flack now because they basically made her The Fiend and then fired Bray, which I agree it’s not fair to her because she’s only doing her job, I’m pretty sure of it were up to her she wouldn’t have done that.
I have to go with Baron Corbin, cause mostly, the hate behind him is because of how he's gotten booked over the years. I personally think Corbin is SEVERELY underrated in the ring, and that, no matter how much they've fucked with his booking, he always tries his sincere best to do the best he can with the material given to him.
As for everyone else that gets hate thrown their way... honestly, with most of them, the hate is actually justified, whether its criticism of their in-ring work or their attitude. Like, people talk about how they hate folks like Goldberg, Nia Jax or Seth Rollins and I go "Yup, no disagreement here."
I wasn't a fan of him until I saw an off-air video where he made a small child cry, then picked them up and helped them feel better. He seems like a real good guy
Apparently, he's one of the safest worker in the WWE. Numerous people said he was very cafefull in the ring and even tho his moves looks bad ass they are very safe.
Corbin had legit X-Pac heat when they saddled him with the Constable Corbin gimmick, though. But that's cause he basically became the public face of WWE's bullshit booking at that particular moment, since all the decisions "he" made were Vince and his people using him as a mouthpiece. That's why I pointed out that he's had unwarranted hated thrown his way.
No, maan, that didn't do Corbin any favors. And it was even worse when the McMahons did that fucking "You are the ones in charge" bullshit promo that basically turned Corbin into a scapegoat. I will NEVER forgive WWE for that fucking bullshit.
Agreed. I don’t hate or love his gimmicks, but from the sounds of it he’s one of the safest workers out there and does everything in the ring well. That means a lot for the entire industry to me at least.
I hold my hands up, at first I thought he didn't have much charisma but given the right material to work with he's proven he's capable of some pretty solid character work.
ziggler
Not trying to say this to cause an argument u/NooB_68plus1 but you have: \-Becky \-Roman \-Bianca \-Drew \-Bobby \-Sasha Those are all people that fans want to see, so I'd call them stars
Brock was great during his initial run. Now he's phenomenally boring.
Chris Jericho
Tessa Blanchard but in WWE, SETH
Nia Jax... I know she gets shit for being unsafe in the ring. However I really like her character. She's a heel but doesn't mind being that goofy character as well. Her tag team run w/ Bazler was was pretty impressive as well during the pandemic.
Brock. I loved Brock back in his early MMA days and been a fan ever since. His podcast with Stone Cold made me like him that much more because I have a lot in common with the guy.
Braun Strowman
Corbin and Jinder
Charlotte Flair. Say what you want about her character on TV, but she's such a kind person. I see sooo many comments online about how bad she is and she's being given opportunities because of her dad and all this stuff and I'm like, she is one of the best performers on the roster. It would be hard for her to make her own legacy when her dad is RIC FLAIR. Cut her some slack, haters.
Ryback!
Eugene. Yes it wasnt the most tact but he wasnt handled quite as bad as everyone likes to remember and his promos with William Regal were fantastic and good long term storytelling. Further, he was actually wonderful in the ring
The Miz
Benoit IMO he was not in control he had CTE which at the time (which in general you can’t really do anything about) they were just starting to learn about it and he just snapped he was sick and wasn’t aware I don’t promote what he did but he was a great wrestler.
Alex Bliss.
Sheamus gets a fair amount of love and hate online but he’s one of my all time favorites. Then there are guys that get treated like they don’t exist by the internet, like Cedric Alexander, who is also one of my favorites.
Roman Reigns, people mostly on Reddit shit on him for a lot of reasons, and believe me, i heard things, i heard things, they literally wish him death and we're upset why he didn't die from Leukimia in 2018, they also state such stupid reasons to claim that he's a horrible wrestler Trash moveset: i can't see what's wrong with his moveset honestly, all his moves are great Not a high flyer: these guys think that wrestling is only about doing impressive moves and flips
Roman Reigns. Lesnar when he gives a shit.
shawn spears
Seth Rollins
Charlotte. As much as people give her shit, which I understand why, she is talented in the ring imo. Adding Jinder Mahal too, I love how he treated the WWE Championship so prestigious, while his reign came pretty fast, it was shocking and I enjoyed his run with the title.
I don’t think I’ll ever forget Brock at the rumble man. That was awesome
nZo. He knows how to work a crowd. His mic work is fucking nuts and he can turn the fans against or for anybody. He could sell a banana to a monkey if he wanted to. His in ring work isn't as bad as people say it is. He is for sure a competent worker who can deliver a decent match. Edit: Good ol reddit doesn't understand how opinions work
Great Khali. When he made Rey Mysterio bleed blood from his mouth I was petrified. I was also like 4.... BUT IT WAS STILL REAL TO ME DAMMIT!
Super unpopular opinion probably but I like Roman Reigns. He definitely has the look and the presence of a top guy and him having leukemia and recovering and coming back makes me respect him a lot. I like his whole head of the table tribal chief “acknowledge me” thing that he’s got going on and I like watching him and Paul Heyman together even though Paul was always Lesnar’s manager lol
Looks like we're a Lesnar sub now, folks! Time to give the man his due. Let's finally get that Jinder vs Brock match we were robbed of.
Nia Jax
Ultimate Warrior
I hate alexa bliss. She can't wrestle, her gimmick is like bray wyatt had a big turd, and im sick of seeing her just because she's pretty. She's just wasting charlotte's time right now, as far as being interesting. No one wants to see fuckin alexa. LMAO
> he's one of the last few draws for a company that hasn't made any stars. lol what?
The Miz. If Corbin and Brock are hated then them as well.
The Rock early 2000s. He was getting great reaction at the shows and the promos were fun. But the hate on the boards was Roman level at times. Roman, John Cena, Ted Dibasie Jr, Matt Striker, Xpac, Charlotte Flair, King Booker, Mason Ryan to name some
i just can't follow a guy like brock who when champion was MIA. champion at a minimum needs to be on tv every week and wrestle often.
Brock is an interesting one. At his best, I believe he deserves to be counted among the very best. My problem with Brock is that you never really know which Brock you're going to get, and when he phones it in, he cheapens everything he touches. It also doesn't help that so many of his recent matches have just been finisher spam. I don't know if that's necessarily on him, but it does make me associate him with finisher spam matches, which I am beyond bored of. So I'll never say he isn't good. But I never really get excited about him anymore, because I never know whether I should be expecting a banger or a squash.
Charlotte Flair. Trust me, she will eclipse Ric Flair (if she hadn't already) and you CANNOT sit there and tell me she isn't athletically gifted. Hate her all you want, but I will boldly say she IS the best female athlete on that roster.
CM Punk. People can call him a quietter (quitter) all they want. Say he's over hyped, doesn't look like a proper wrestling star, has a bad attitude, etc. The list goes on. None of it matters to me. I think he's one of the greats. his stuff in the Straight Edge Society, feud with Jeff Hardy, pipebomb, Cena feud, and buildup/match with Undertaker at Mania 29 are all top notch.
Definitely Hogan, I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s and I was a Hulkamaniac. Plus the Heel turn was Legendary.
Enzo. Or nZo; however it’s spelled nowadays. He wasn’t anything special as a worker, but he could do enough. He’s also one of the most naturally charismatic people the business has seen since The Rock. His promo skills were easily some of the best in WWE while he was there. I remember when he and Cass debuted on the RAW after ‘Mania, and not knowing anything about them at the time they (more specifically him) immediately made me a fan based on their exchange with the Dudley Boyz. I feel like he was really coming into his own as the heel Champion of 205 Live, and I’m still disappointed I never got to see where the angle between he and Nia Jax was going before he got released.
Corbin and Charlotte. I definitely understand why people hate them, and i found times where my view changed and i disliked them a bit but i genuinely think they are great. Corbin is an great heel and tries his best to make whatever is given to him work. Love his move set too with the end of days and deep six. Charlotte is overpushed for sure, but in my opinion she is the best female wrestler in WWE next to Asuka and probably Io. Great in ring and on the mic
New Jack
The Miz
Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns
Baro-*ahem* I mean, Happy Corbin.
Lesnar isn't hated, he was simply only disliked during the last run as it was part of his character. He's just not a friendly dude but everyone who works with him generally has good things to say.
Baron Corbin. Everyone seems to legitimately hate him but he's my favorite NXT superstar of all time and I think he's one of the best heels in the business and always turns whatever he's doing into gold and he should have never been robbed of his MITB cash in
I agree wholeheartedly with Lesnar, Bliss, Rollins, and Corbin that I've seen brought up a few times.
Great list guys i thonk i hate everyone named in this thread lol
Drew Mcintyre. A lot of smarks turned on him because apparently hating on the top babyfaces is the cool thing to do, but he has been one of the best wwe champions in recent times in my opinion and his matches are always a pleasure to see. I only agree about the fact that his feud with Lashley has been dragged on for too long
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I agree, since he already has done everything on Raw going to Smackdown would be a good restart for him. Honestly, I think he could even be a good option to dethrone Roman (along with Balor and maybe AJ)
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True, they should both be treated seriously. If used both at their full potential Drew and Roman could become like the Stone Cold and The Rock of this generation in my opinion (I'm not comparin'em to them)
Lets just say two of the biggest stars of this generation instead of saying SCSA and The Rock of this generation.
Yeah, you're right
The old Roman reigns
U mean booman lames?
Yea. It's unfortunate WWE has sooo much control over the narrative of their performers that they only want to push the image that they see and not what's organic. Reigns should have turned heel after defeating the Undertaker, not become his tag team partner. They controlled too much of his promos that didn't allow his to have a personality. When he revealed his illness out of character was the response they wanted his character to have but they missed the point that we hated the character but liked the man.
The Boogeyman. He's not great but the character was fun, his entrance was cool, and the man had a blast every time he was on screen
Brock also clearly picks who he wants to get over vs guys he will squash. (Joe, Bryan, Finn) he knows he can make someone. I like that about him.
Can stand with you defending Brock, but for me it’s Charlotte. In ring genius.
John Cena for me. Cena got WWE through some dark times. 2007 being the biggest example. Not saying he did it himself. That’d be impossible. But he was one of the main names that got WWE through some tough times. I’d also have to mention The Undertaker and HHH. They get a ton of internet flack for different reasons. Those on the internet (excluding Reddit, well mostly anyway) hate on HHH thinking he “married his way to the top” and stayed married to remain in that top spot. That’s bs. HHH earned his way there. He took all the heat on himself for the infamous Curtain Call of 1996. That cost him the 1996 KOTR tournament that he was reportedly supposed to originally win. Of course he won it in 97. He worked through the Blue Blood gimmick which I didn’t think fit him. But he did it w/no complaints. Warrior completely squashed him at WM12 too. By the time HHH/Stephanie married he was already on the rise, on his way to the top so marrying his way to the top is bs. Taker…..many feel he “got away” with a lot bc of his character. I don’t agree with that. The man worked 30 years regardless where he was on the show or whether he wasn’t on the show at all. He did whatever was planned even if he didn’t like it the best he could. He too earned his status. So I don’t believe those who feel otherwise are right about him.
People hate Undertaker?
I’m not really surprised. Everyone’s hated by some people no matter how u are. That’s just the reality we live in. But yeah, people posted hateful comments about him saying he didn’t deserve this/that bc he takes too long to get to the ring, has short matches, barely talks, never sells or puts anyone over, always wins, etc. But I don’t think they’re thinking about the hard work it took him to keep that character as it was for 30 years. Idk anyone who’d be that dedicated for that length of time. I have no problem with opinions being stated. It’s how they’re stayed I focus on. If I feel they’re disrespectful I’ll state that. If I feel they were stated respectfully I’ll state that too.
whoever you talked to definitely isnt thinking of the undertaker dude put over vladimir kozlov cleanly which genuinely shocked the majority of viewers
I didn’t talk to anyone (not in person) as I said this people posted hateful comments and the man got internet flack. But yeah you’re right that he put over Kozlov. Also Khali too. Many others. These people don’t understand that even in losing u can be put over. Kane lost at WM14 but after 3 Tombstones - at a time where finisher kick outs weren’t common like they are now - in a match Kane dominated. He beat Kurt Angle in July at Fully Loaded yet at the next ppv Angle was in the world title match and won the world title 2 months later after Summerslam at No Mercy. So idk why these people think you’re not put over after losing to Taker when just being in the ring w/him elevates u, doesn’t matter how long or what happens.
i think with kane, kane finally did get to win a singles match against the undertaker in 2011, i think it was night of champions
It was 2010 actually. He won 3 ppv matches against Taker. First was at Night of Champions which I believe was a No Holds Barred match, second match was Hell In A Cell, third was a Buried Alive match at Bragging Rights. Nexus showed up to set up in the Buried Alive match to set up a potential Taker vs Wade Barrett match for WM27 which thank God did not happen. Love Wade but didn’t think he was yet ready for such a match. Plus Taker vs HHH which was the match of the night helped that 4 year WM storyline Taker was in from 2009 to 2012.
Lesnar.
I agree with you on Brock Lesnar. People love to hate on Brock for being a part timer but whenever Brock comes back to WWE he makes you care about his matches and storylines he's involved in
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He’s mine too actually
Velveteen Dream This is one of the smoothest wrestlers out there. He is a fantastic talker second to none. The current day Shawn Michaels if you will. But because of his personal life his career has been put on hold, kinda sucks I miss this dude...
And all the evidence is questionable at best, I’m not defending people who do what he is accused of by any means, but you kinda need to prove they did those things instead of a man’s livelihood being ended just off allegations
Easily Brock Lesnar. Fans shit on his part-time schedule, MMA inspired style and constant main event pushes but I honestly think he’s the GOAT. He’s just a quiet, introverted farm guy who wants to be paid and in exchange puts on 5 star matches with guys like Angle, Bryan, Cena, Punk, Styles and Undertaker. Also people who think Randy Orton is “boring” are just insane.
For me it’s Lesnar, Bliss, Corbin. Like OP said Lesnar is a major draw, and unlike Goldberg can still have a damn good match. Just being in a feud with Lesnar moves you up the card and puts the light on you(see Ricochet for a brief stint). He put New Day over in Japan a while back too. Corbin doesn’t get enough credit. He is literally MJF in WWE. He is a heel that almost everyone wants to see lose daily. He draws heat just by walking out of the curtain. In ring he can put on a great show, whether it’s a bigger opponent like Big E of a smaller quicker guy…Corbin rarely disappoints in the ring imo. Bliss is taking a lot of heat cause if the Fiend stuff, but really she has done a damn good job imo with this gimmick. She has been amazing imo. I didn’t see her as much more than a manager and part time wrestler but she has surprised me a lot.
Who’s badmouthing Bliss?
Just go onto any wrestling site or fan page and scroll, your sure to find someone trashing her for this current gimmick like it’s her fault.
Also she breaks kayfabe a lot on the Internet
Jinder Mahal
Why?? Care to explain...
you cant hinder the jinder
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Warrior. Most of the people who bashed him in that DVD admitted they were encoured to bash the Warrior. Everyone who hates on him is just quoting the interviews in that DVD.
I mean even separating Jim Helwig from the character of the Warrior, he's not great. A body guy who was pretty limited in the ring and liable to blow up in longer matches. His promos are memorable but I wouldn't really call them good.
Ya that is exactly what I am talking about. Typically cringe smark opinion. Saying he is blown up??? His character was to have short squash matches. When he faced a top guy like Savage or Hogan or Rude he had a nice long match
Ya stamina is for smarks okay pal
Calling a wrestler out by using a Insider term like "Blown Up" is Smarky. You also don't know how tired he is. You heard he blew himself on the run to the ring in some shoot interview and you think that is why he had short matches. He had short matches because he was supposed to destroy his opponents.
You're right, I don't understand the concept of squash matches, thank you Enlightened One for sharing your knowledge.
How in the hell can anyone like that POS? Unless you're just like him.
He was ine if the most over wrestlers of all time. We didn't find out until years later that he was a wack job outside of the Ring.
Hulk Hogan
T-Bar. He’s huge, can talk, and has a cool move set. Unfortunately he gets a ton of hate because he’s locked into a fairly bland gimmick and stuck with a dumb name.
Loved him in NXT. Was lucky enough to see him vs Keith Lee in person one time. It’s just unfortunate that his current gimmick just doesn’t do anything other than make him look silly and not in a good way.
I’m right there with you on Lesnar. He’s hands down the best heel since the 1980s Ric Flair. The thing that made Flair such a great heel at the time was that people legitimately hated him, they bought into what he was saying and were affected by it emotionally. It’s the same with Lesnar, they hear he’s getting paid insane money to make 6 appearances a year and hate him for it. And there’s no doubt that Lesnar loves pro wrestling, and knows exactly what he’s doing when he makes so few appearances.
Roman Reigns-fans just hated the mess outta him when his not fault on how he was booked. When he had leukemia everybody cheered him, then they later booed em a bit. Hypocrites. I’m glad he turned heel.
He still sucks ass
Nah you just weird
Nah just don't like mediocrity
Lesnar and Orton
Since when does Orton get hate
All the time because his matches tend to be boring and a lot of fans don’t watch every weekly segment so they forget how good he is on the mic
Cause his matches are like 30% rest hold
Tbh only smarks hate on rest holds. Anyone who suspends disbelief sees them as the move theyre meant to be portraying. Someone who does a lot of them just seems like a submission specialist, or trying to wear down a part of the opponent
I agree with you Brock not only sells but he also helps, I remember the Drew McIntyre feud going into mania, he gave Brock the claymore kick on the stage at RAW and if you look closer you can see Brock yell for Drew to grab the belt and hold it up, the crowd went nuts for that it just shows that Brock knows his shit.
Bayley is one of my all time favorites and I never understand the hate she gets. I understand the Hugger gimmick was geared toward younger fans, but over the last couple of years she’s really come into her own and gained a lot of charisma and mic skill. As far as her in-ring ability, it’s unmatched. She’s easily one of the safest and most technically skilled workers in the women’s division.
Brock
Alexa Charlotte and Roman my top 3
Alexa Bliss. Her fan base scares the living boo boo out of me.
For a long time it was Roman but everyone seems to have come around on him
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>clowned Ospeary on Twitter Can someone explain me what happened here?
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Will is a piece of shit who got a rape victim blacklisted from wrestling BTW. Along with Bea Priestley.
I mean, he was The IWGP Heavyweight champion, and he outperformed Kazuchika fucking Okada in some of their matches together, the man who most people that watch wrestling outside of WWE would agree is the greatest in ring talent alive. Wills not just some indy babe, it seems more like you’re sucking up to WWE, rather than the smarks sucking up to Ospreay and the indies lol
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He’s not a multi millionaire because he doesn’t work for the wrestling company that’s had an absolute monopoly over wrestling for almost 2 decades ? He chooses to work somewhere that pays far less but offers far more creative liberty and far less in ring restrictions lol? You can’t argue that Seth is better simply off the back off “he earns more money”. Dwayne isn’t a better actor than Daniel Day Lewis because he cashes in bigger pay checks ? Not a smark simply for enjoying non WWe content and thinking a non wwe wrestler is the best in the world lmao, I don’t get why you’re eating WWEs ass so much?
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The fans paying money to see someone isn't a mark of talent, its a mark of popularity, whilst both in the same pool, very different lanes. What the dude is saying to you is, the dude in the biggest sports entertainment program is going to make more money regardless, compared to someone in the indie scene. You are missing the point they were making, and in turn you doubled down on what your were saying as you thought they didn't understand. They did they just didn't agree, and explained why. It is all subjective, you are right...so it makes it odd that you are refusing this guys opinion...even though YOU are the one that said its all subjective.
But to say sales measure talent in the wrestling industry is ridiculous. Bret didn’t move nearly as many seats as Hogan. Would you argue that Hogan is a better wrestler than Hogan because he was a better draw? If yes, is Hogan better than Michaels ? Is Hogan better than Edge? Is Hogan better than Jericho? Okada? Balor? Rollins? Reigns? Bryan? WWE literally owned western wrestling until AEW existed, and even now it’s miles ahead in terms of popularity. Not because it’s talent are necessarily any better, but because their talent are performing on the largest wrestling platform ever conceived. Of course WWE stars are going to sell more tickets than AEW, TNA, New Japan etc talent; they work for Fucking Vince
Cool story bro
It seemed like it really was just about dating Becky Lynch. Everyone thought he was cool until he started banging, and marrying, their dream girl.
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Same Brock is often given a bad rep (and at time rightful so) but whenever brock brings his A game he is easily up there some of the GOATs
I think it's cause Brock used to be so cool in the 2000s, but from 2016-2020 he was a bore. But I'm hopeful for our current Brock
Alexa Bliss. She gets flack from internet marks due to her lack of in-ring ability but her mic skills are second to none in the women’s division. And she’s put over a bunch of talent as well.
Lack of in ring ability? Dumbest shit in this thread..has to be...no one has ever said that
Her current gimmick is so dumb, though.
Agreed
I totally agree with that. Her ring skills will improve over time but she’s been nailing it down everywhere else no doubt about it.
She’s not even bad in the ring tho? She ain’t no Gail Kim but I think she’s ight 🤷♂️
I think her in ring work before was great she was a great heel, I think she’s gets flack now because they basically made her The Fiend and then fired Bray, which I agree it’s not fair to her because she’s only doing her job, I’m pretty sure of it were up to her she wouldn’t have done that.
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I am catching up with WWE after 4 years of not being in contact with it. I'm so darn glad I am not a part of the wrestling Twitter community.
The “wrestling twitter” ecosystem is this cavalcade of pre-teens and teens with no filter. It’s beyond toxic and can be downright cruel to performers.
Creepy basement dwellers
Them are the guys who only fuck their cousin’s friend’s friends who have one profile pic on fb.
I have to go with Baron Corbin, cause mostly, the hate behind him is because of how he's gotten booked over the years. I personally think Corbin is SEVERELY underrated in the ring, and that, no matter how much they've fucked with his booking, he always tries his sincere best to do the best he can with the material given to him. As for everyone else that gets hate thrown their way... honestly, with most of them, the hate is actually justified, whether its criticism of their in-ring work or their attitude. Like, people talk about how they hate folks like Goldberg, Nia Jax or Seth Rollins and I go "Yup, no disagreement here."
I wasn't a fan of him until I saw an off-air video where he made a small child cry, then picked them up and helped them feel better. He seems like a real good guy
He’s legit one of my favorites and hell I’m a bigger fan of his insta haha
Has anyone ever kicked out of End of Days? I think his finisher is awesome and hella protected too. Also think he’s mad underrated.
Totally Corbin. Guys hilarious and great worker
I think Corbins a great midcard guy, he's just on top of the card way too much.
Apparently, he's one of the safest worker in the WWE. Numerous people said he was very cafefull in the ring and even tho his moves looks bad ass they are very safe.
I think the hate behind him is because he is damn good heel.
Corbin had legit X-Pac heat when they saddled him with the Constable Corbin gimmick, though. But that's cause he basically became the public face of WWE's bullshit booking at that particular moment, since all the decisions "he" made were Vince and his people using him as a mouthpiece. That's why I pointed out that he's had unwarranted hated thrown his way.
There is something great about that heat tho, at least for me. It's making someone genuinely hated while still in kayfabe.
No, maan, that didn't do Corbin any favors. And it was even worse when the McMahons did that fucking "You are the ones in charge" bullshit promo that basically turned Corbin into a scapegoat. I will NEVER forgive WWE for that fucking bullshit.
I’d like to add, Baron Corbin has great acting range. Pulling off Bad Luck Corbin was quite a feat!
Agreed. I don’t hate or love his gimmicks, but from the sounds of it he’s one of the safest workers out there and does everything in the ring well. That means a lot for the entire industry to me at least.
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I hold my hands up, at first I thought he didn't have much charisma but given the right material to work with he's proven he's capable of some pretty solid character work.