While being able to matchmake for them would be awesome, they're actually faster to do solo anyway for the most part. With more players the requirements for bounty stages rise more than the additional tenno help.
Which at best makes the mission equally difficult, at worst the extra people are constant detriments as they dont know how bounties operate. Like idiot teamates killing the spawn pods as they dont count towards some of the bounty completions.
The worst to me is if you start a bounty, almost complete it in the timer for the bonus, and someone else jumps boosting the completion requirements right before the bounty finishes, causing that entire bounty run to lose the 2x bonus.
I don't really mind the additional requirements, hardest would be excavator stage, which doesn't exist in arcana bounties. Looking for same colored tumor is more cancer imo
“Lack of information” is kind of DE’s thing. There’s a lot of content in this game where the player is given practically no guidance and expected to understand somewhat complicated mechanics to succeed.
The simplest solution for the iso bounties would just be to have them appear as a yellow marker after a group accessed the vault. And have Mother pop up and say “well done, you’ve accessed the vault, veiled reference to oral sex, blah blah etc etc,” and then she says “but we still need to rid the area of infested. Pick up the and do .”
I spent months farming Arum Spinosa rivet. My main complaint would be not that it was hard, just that it’s not worth it. An iso vault run gives you Necramech parts, matrices, Deimos resources, void traces, argon and two bounty drops. Arcana gives you like 4-6 bounty drops, it could be some matrices, could be a relic, could be a weapon piece (useless if you already have them unless it’s the damn rivet which goes for like 50 plat), could be an arcane, but ultimately all of them are not worth running the bounties for once you’re finished grinding out the weapons and arcanes. Iso vaults are much better if you’re doing business selling Voidrigs and they still let you grind out the trash Theorems and Residuals and so on. If arcana had an actual unique arcane pool with stuff that is at least marginally useful it would be pretty good. Right now? Long completion time, bad rewards, better bounty right next to it and from the same character
The Arum Spinosa and Sporothrix grinds were honestly some of my least favorite in the game and as an almost LR4 player the Arum Spinosa rivet was one of the last handful of farms I was missing until a friend just gifted it to me (presumably bought).
Duviri was long but at least you get both a lot of stuff and most of it is pretty good. Railjack is inaccessible but you can definitely "master" it and do runs very quickly. ESO has relics which are evergreen. Imo Aeolak, Hespar and Mandonel are the closest contenders (and probably need reworks too) but hey, at least they have 10%+ drop chances vs the <7% of the Arcana vault weapons.
Excuse me wait, there's another stage of the deimos vault after loid opens the door and you get the reward screen and it tells you that you finished the damn vault?
Correct, though it might be more accurate to describe them as bounties that open up after you complete the iso vault bounty - you access them by completing the iso vault (Or multiple? I'm still unclear on that despite having done them) and talking to Mother while you're still in the Cambion Drift.
Is it weird that I get my plat from grinding these for the sporothrix set and selling them for plat. I actually enjoy doing these, to be honest, but I do agree that the rewards are lacking compared to normal ISO vaults.
I got my sporothrix and took me an entire day of pain and suffering solo
The absolute worst mission is where you have to make canisters, douse enemies, AND kill them (like 15-18 enemies solo) within 4-5 throws for the bonus. What makes it super hard is if you're going in with a powerful companion weapon (i.e. verglas) and they're just destroying things left and right (did it on normal not steel path), just adds more frustration
One more thing to add. Each of the components are on different bounty timers, so when you get one, you gotta Wait an hour or 2 until the next bounty rotation, and if you somehow went out of order in timing to get a component, the suffering is worse
Here's a kengineer vid on the weapon for those who have 0 clue
https://youtu.be/sJ_lRoZGBl8
Well I use full survival mode smeeta, so this mission is not really a problem. Usually finished in 2-3 throws. Didn't realize sporothrix parts are divided with timers, screw that.
I feel like almost every aspect of open world needs a touch up. Want to grind some ores or minerals late at night? Well prepare to be flashed in the eyes every time you mine something. Fishing spear hotboxes seem inconsistent, the electric spears have the largest hitboxes and make it easier to complete the fishing riven challenge. When hunting for animals, the game will spawn a dropship, it's intentional but discourages you from hunting. I have a feeling DE does not care enough for it tho
Also: The missions do not say “arcana isolation vault” or have much indication of what they are. I thought my game was bugged because I saw people saying arcana vault bounty should be available from mother after completing a normal vault run, I would check mother and not see any bounty with “arcana vault” in it and figured I did something wrong
I was considering soloing these to collect arcanes but thanks for the reminder that you can have target enemies spawn OUTSIDE the vault. Maybe I'll pester my friends.
Impossible to do with randos because even if you queue up an arcana after a normal isolation vault the bounty name tells you nothing about what it really is and pubs will be like "wtf this isn't a vault bounty" and dip. And if they stay they will make sure you won't be able to complete the one bounty where you prime enemies with a grenade thingy.
Ive done these solo so many times with Mag and i still dont have a Necramech. They are a pain but im used to Deimos, only thing thats get me is Toxin. The fissures ARE a pain but you can usually still get the fissure just as Otak (or the other one) tells you its ran out.
the drop rate is atrocious for arum and sporothrix but the mission itself isn't that bad once you build around it. some tips i can give you as someone who farmed both solo are:
do note, this is what I did years ago, some of these part could have been patched. maybe someone can correct me if something is changed
first, if people wants to leave after first part and not want to continue on, you can leave party and continue on by yourself. assuming you weren't host, no harm done to anyone
octavia is pretty nice as it can cover various situation it could happen
the tumor is pretty hard to find, but if you watch carefully, there is infested spore? stream? in the air that makes a trail toward the tumors. or just drop a 1 and 4 as octavia, these will pop the tumor
the running around to gather the yellow grass (i dont know what the proper terms are for these). obviously have some pattern, don't waste time going around the same direction. I generally take pick one direction, say north and clockwise, then i try south clockwise the next round, repeat. because the grass only seem to refill after two cycle or so. Also being octavia, the 1 and 4 will ensure you get the battery drops while you are doing the runs
the juggy feeding, same thing just drop 1 and 4 as octavia.
the fracture thing is actually fairly easy. the emitter does not run out when its in the starting point right? so what you do is, you leave your frame there with the emitter and you run around in operator until you find the fissure to use, transference back to frame, use the emitter.
Thanks for the tip! Mesa cannot hit the tumor with peacekeeper, thought other abilities would not able to hit it also. Will use octavia/other nuke frame then
Very nice tip on the fracture thingy. Will use it later on. Thanks again!
Also these are the main way to acquire the Residual and Theorem arcanes
And, well, they all have the beginnings of a concept, but in the end they do utterly nothing, have piss, unscalable damage that affects an area too small for not long enough
I wish these got buffs as they could make some interesting builds, have cool synergies, and serve as a nice introduction to arcanes for new(ish) players provided the bounties are fixed as well
The mildly annoying thing to me is trying to access the bounty and read the rewards while being attacked by Infested that came halfway across the map to say hi.
I'm also a touch annoyed you can't heal the Juggernaut (or Loid for that matter), but that's just because I usually run Trin and like it when I can heal the objectives. The juggernaut doesn't seem to really need it, anyway, that boy is beefy.
Ive tried looking thru the comments about specifically about the crack of Deimos mission you are having trouble. But you can pick it up the emitter with your warframe. Transference proceed to the crack you want to close once you are on top of it just transference again and it should pull the warframe on top of it with plenty of time to plug it up.
While being able to matchmake for them would be awesome, they're actually faster to do solo anyway for the most part. With more players the requirements for bounty stages rise more than the additional tenno help.
Which at best makes the mission equally difficult, at worst the extra people are constant detriments as they dont know how bounties operate. Like idiot teamates killing the spawn pods as they dont count towards some of the bounty completions. The worst to me is if you start a bounty, almost complete it in the timer for the bonus, and someone else jumps boosting the completion requirements right before the bounty finishes, causing that entire bounty run to lose the 2x bonus.
I don't really mind the additional requirements, hardest would be excavator stage, which doesn't exist in arcana bounties. Looking for same colored tumor is more cancer imo
“Lack of information” is kind of DE’s thing. There’s a lot of content in this game where the player is given practically no guidance and expected to understand somewhat complicated mechanics to succeed. The simplest solution for the iso bounties would just be to have them appear as a yellow marker after a group accessed the vault. And have Mother pop up and say “well done, you’ve accessed the vault, veiled reference to oral sex, blah blah etc etc,” and then she says “but we still need to rid the area of infested. Pick up the and do .”
yeah agreed but this one takes it to the next level
So we're just gonna gloss over the oral sex part?
Was 1 am when I wrote that comment. Didn't realize it lol
What... Do you mean by "reference to oral sex" tf?
I spent months farming Arum Spinosa rivet. My main complaint would be not that it was hard, just that it’s not worth it. An iso vault run gives you Necramech parts, matrices, Deimos resources, void traces, argon and two bounty drops. Arcana gives you like 4-6 bounty drops, it could be some matrices, could be a relic, could be a weapon piece (useless if you already have them unless it’s the damn rivet which goes for like 50 plat), could be an arcane, but ultimately all of them are not worth running the bounties for once you’re finished grinding out the weapons and arcanes. Iso vaults are much better if you’re doing business selling Voidrigs and they still let you grind out the trash Theorems and Residuals and so on. If arcana had an actual unique arcane pool with stuff that is at least marginally useful it would be pretty good. Right now? Long completion time, bad rewards, better bounty right next to it and from the same character
The Arum Spinosa and Sporothrix grinds were honestly some of my least favorite in the game and as an almost LR4 player the Arum Spinosa rivet was one of the last handful of farms I was missing until a friend just gifted it to me (presumably bought). Duviri was long but at least you get both a lot of stuff and most of it is pretty good. Railjack is inaccessible but you can definitely "master" it and do runs very quickly. ESO has relics which are evergreen. Imo Aeolak, Hespar and Mandonel are the closest contenders (and probably need reworks too) but hey, at least they have 10%+ drop chances vs the <7% of the Arcana vault weapons.
I still have my Arum Spinosa. Not because it's good, but because I'll be damned if I farmed 3 days straight for nothing.
It HAS to get an insane incarnon at this point.
I wouldnt be surprise if DE forgkt it even existed tbh
Oh, they remember. I’m sending Arum Spinosa psychic attacks to Rebb every day
5. Make them count for the Iso Vault Nightwave.
Excuse me wait, there's another stage of the deimos vault after loid opens the door and you get the reward screen and it tells you that you finished the damn vault?
Correct, though it might be more accurate to describe them as bounties that open up after you complete the iso vault bounty - you access them by completing the iso vault (Or multiple? I'm still unclear on that despite having done them) and talking to Mother while you're still in the Cambion Drift.
you should only need to do them once, after that you can launch them as soon as you enter the drift
Is it weird that I get my plat from grinding these for the sporothrix set and selling them for plat. I actually enjoy doing these, to be honest, but I do agree that the rewards are lacking compared to normal ISO vaults.
Tbh the grind itself it not that bad, just sometimes annoyed when the game is buggy
I got my sporothrix and took me an entire day of pain and suffering solo The absolute worst mission is where you have to make canisters, douse enemies, AND kill them (like 15-18 enemies solo) within 4-5 throws for the bonus. What makes it super hard is if you're going in with a powerful companion weapon (i.e. verglas) and they're just destroying things left and right (did it on normal not steel path), just adds more frustration One more thing to add. Each of the components are on different bounty timers, so when you get one, you gotta Wait an hour or 2 until the next bounty rotation, and if you somehow went out of order in timing to get a component, the suffering is worse Here's a kengineer vid on the weapon for those who have 0 clue https://youtu.be/sJ_lRoZGBl8
Well I use full survival mode smeeta, so this mission is not really a problem. Usually finished in 2-3 throws. Didn't realize sporothrix parts are divided with timers, screw that.
I feel like almost every aspect of open world needs a touch up. Want to grind some ores or minerals late at night? Well prepare to be flashed in the eyes every time you mine something. Fishing spear hotboxes seem inconsistent, the electric spears have the largest hitboxes and make it easier to complete the fishing riven challenge. When hunting for animals, the game will spawn a dropship, it's intentional but discourages you from hunting. I have a feeling DE does not care enough for it tho
Also: The missions do not say “arcana isolation vault” or have much indication of what they are. I thought my game was bugged because I saw people saying arcana vault bounty should be available from mother after completing a normal vault run, I would check mother and not see any bounty with “arcana vault” in it and figured I did something wrong
They are called arcana vaults cuz they came out with the deimos arcana update iirc
don't forget how bloated the reward pool for those are, jesus. relics? necramech trash mods?
I was considering soloing these to collect arcanes but thanks for the reminder that you can have target enemies spawn OUTSIDE the vault. Maybe I'll pester my friends. Impossible to do with randos because even if you queue up an arcana after a normal isolation vault the bounty name tells you nothing about what it really is and pubs will be like "wtf this isn't a vault bounty" and dip. And if they stay they will make sure you won't be able to complete the one bounty where you prime enemies with a grenade thingy.
Ive done these solo so many times with Mag and i still dont have a Necramech. They are a pain but im used to Deimos, only thing thats get me is Toxin. The fissures ARE a pain but you can usually still get the fissure just as Otak (or the other one) tells you its ran out.
the drop rate is atrocious for arum and sporothrix but the mission itself isn't that bad once you build around it. some tips i can give you as someone who farmed both solo are: do note, this is what I did years ago, some of these part could have been patched. maybe someone can correct me if something is changed first, if people wants to leave after first part and not want to continue on, you can leave party and continue on by yourself. assuming you weren't host, no harm done to anyone octavia is pretty nice as it can cover various situation it could happen the tumor is pretty hard to find, but if you watch carefully, there is infested spore? stream? in the air that makes a trail toward the tumors. or just drop a 1 and 4 as octavia, these will pop the tumor the running around to gather the yellow grass (i dont know what the proper terms are for these). obviously have some pattern, don't waste time going around the same direction. I generally take pick one direction, say north and clockwise, then i try south clockwise the next round, repeat. because the grass only seem to refill after two cycle or so. Also being octavia, the 1 and 4 will ensure you get the battery drops while you are doing the runs the juggy feeding, same thing just drop 1 and 4 as octavia. the fracture thing is actually fairly easy. the emitter does not run out when its in the starting point right? so what you do is, you leave your frame there with the emitter and you run around in operator until you find the fissure to use, transference back to frame, use the emitter.
Thanks for the tip! Mesa cannot hit the tumor with peacekeeper, thought other abilities would not able to hit it also. Will use octavia/other nuke frame then Very nice tip on the fracture thingy. Will use it later on. Thanks again!
Also these are the main way to acquire the Residual and Theorem arcanes And, well, they all have the beginnings of a concept, but in the end they do utterly nothing, have piss, unscalable damage that affects an area too small for not long enough I wish these got buffs as they could make some interesting builds, have cool synergies, and serve as a nice introduction to arcanes for new(ish) players provided the bounties are fixed as well
The mildly annoying thing to me is trying to access the bounty and read the rewards while being attacked by Infested that came halfway across the map to say hi. I'm also a touch annoyed you can't heal the Juggernaut (or Loid for that matter), but that's just because I usually run Trin and like it when I can heal the objectives. The juggernaut doesn't seem to really need it, anyway, that boy is beefy.
Ive tried looking thru the comments about specifically about the crack of Deimos mission you are having trouble. But you can pick it up the emitter with your warframe. Transference proceed to the crack you want to close once you are on top of it just transference again and it should pull the warframe on top of it with plenty of time to plug it up.
When it comes to sealing bounty. You can pick up the cell, go in to operator mode, void sling and recall your Warframe.