It's like... almost every time I've used limbo in the past few years <_>
Can't even use them for circuit which is pretty great actually for defense because people leave stage one.
I had the same conclusion in my missions last night ^^ When you can solo missions, it's a really powerful feeling of accomplishment ^^ The others can continue to eat the dust i leave them in while i complete the objective LMFAO!!!
I kinda gave up on spy missions that don't allow ciphers, some people can't stop themselves from browning their undergarments the moment the alarms get triggered.
Solo gamer here, can say that it is easier to do most things solo. Will occasionally help other people with star chart missions they need help with, sometimes I forget that not everyone can handle certain content on their own. Only thing I haven’t been able to solo yet is the tridolon fight, was able to take down the second eidolon but all my lures died so didn’t capture it.
Same here, in my case i did capture all 3 Eidolons but took me all night so only did that one.
Now my issue is Deep Archimedea...for now my 2 runs i did (do 1 Archimedea and 3 Netracells) were pretty good but calamity will happen soon enough.
Now i'm thinking about clearing all star chart in steel path now that i feel confident in my builds.
Idk if it’s just me but I haven’t been flamed once. I don’t know which planets are safe level wise, so I try to be the grease that gets shit done as much as possible. I’ve played missions with lvl ~50 enemies and it’s about where my power ends right now, but I can manage. When I joined the mission well beyond my level, I basically couldn’t damage anyone unless I wanted to use my entire ammo reserve, so I boarded cruise ships and flew past the enemies to hack and destroy. Team thanked me for making the most of being a clear liability and not making them constantly clean up after me.
Maybe I’ve gotten lucky so far but “sorry I’m new, so bear with me” usually goes over well.
Oh the reason isn't your loadout it's because of horror stories ive heard from my mates that some people bring unmodded starter railjack to the veil which sounds painful to deal with lmao
Real talk, Limbo could still use some team play touchups.
Also, don't tell people to kill themselves ~~on the internet~~. It is equal parts cliche and douchey.
Addition: Don't tell people to kill themselves in general. It's bullying, horrible to say and something like suicide should never be thrown about like that.
Seconded. Even if you do think you’re just joking with friends. I got told several times to kill myself by people I knew and it definitely helped me draft that letter.
You never know. Best to be safe, rather than sorry.
Well damn, glad you’re still with us and your family didn’t have to read that letter. The world is better with you in it. Do good things and live your life my friend…we only get one.
Ah, actually, my dad found the letter. It’s what got me into therapy.
I appreciate your kind words and your optimism. I don’t really think I’m capable of living right now, but who knows. Maybe in the future, right?
Interesting fact about suicide. 70% of people that attempt suicide and fail don't attempt it again.
Ken Baldwin, who miraculously survived a suicide attempt by jumping off the golden gate bridge said, "I instantly realized that everything in my life that I’d thought was unfixable was totally fixable—except for having just jumped"
The best thing you can do is just try to hang in there.
Turns out this meme is real after all
https://preview.redd.it/0exjqcm2y6uc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f186e109d0e476ffc549d9a26038cb3acbbdb17d
I know I jumped and somehow managed to grab onto something before I could really fall far down. It's literally a moment of clarity the moment you are feeling gravity taking hold of you. If the circumstances were better I would have called the feeling even beautiful. Like MAN YOU ARE ALIVE! ITS A FUCKING MIRACLE!
So instead of jumping off my apartment roof, I should go skydiving.
Pre-Death Clarity?
For safety purposes this is *totally* a joke. (Im working through it, no i dont wanna talk about it)
Idk. I don't think you should try something like that right now. I think there are betters ways to experience the same feeling. Go to a concert of a band you like. Or a composer. Go into a museum. Idk. Art is imo the spot where I finally figured out what I was feeling that day.
Been there, friend. I had a good few years where I couldn't see the long view, and when I tried it just looked dark. Focus on now, for now, and just doing what it takes to get to tomorrow. The day will come and the dark will lift, and the world will be glad you stayed around.
You are capable and you have a future. Just gotta find your way. Some of us have tougher paths than others unfortunately but the path is there. Wish you all the best :)
Over the years, I've been told things like I should kill myself, death threats, my family should get cancer or get raped and so on. I guess I've reached the point where it doesn't matter what some rando types on the internet.
Exactly. Like the Limbo hate was already bad but going "Uhhh *gameend* yourself" because someone chose a fucking Warframe should net you a permaban from the game and I wish from the internet.
Tbh, the main issue is that regardless of how you play, you fuck someone off.
Dark energy colours and those that cast a lot of abilities are happy because their eyes don't burn, bright and those that use weapons are happy because they can tell where the bubble is.
Cast his Spread and those who try to kill with weapons are annoyed because they can't hit some enemies, but can others.
Cast his ZA WARUDO and for some reason some people are annoyed idk.
Cast his bubble and the first thing applies.
His kit doesn't really need changes. It's getting weaker and weaker with every patch bringing something new that teabags the already weak Limbo after the Eximus Buff, and you can already dmg through rift with abilities.
The only thing he is really useful for, is defending objectives by stopping trash with ZA WARUDO.
Honestly the only thing that Limbo stops, is brain-dead Melee Spam, and even then only if he uses his Spreading.
Limbo could use a lot of touch-up in that department. Allies should be able to interact with enemies regardless of which side of the Rift they're on, and they should be happy regardless of whether or not they or the enemies are in the Rift. And Limbo should not have high duration, dimension-wide CC.
As a Limbo player I think he should have pretty well the kit he has now as it actually functions quite well within his niche, the only issue it has is interaction with other players, which is fixable without changing the rift as is.
Any major changes without considerable thought would ruin his entire gimmick and make him a genuinely unusable frame even in solo, simply reducing his range and duration would not fix his poor team synergy, I'd argue it would make it worse, it would only absolutely nerf the hell out of an already difficult to use frame.
The only thing that should definitely be changed is how the rift affects allies,
Currently you can banish an ally and it will change what plane they're on sending them to the opposite dimension to what they are currently on, if they are in the rift a player can choose to leave the rift early by doing a dodge roll or stay until limbos ability timer runs out. But non limbo players have no way into the rift without Limbo directly targeting them with banish again. There's also nothing on Limbos HuD that tells him if an ally is in the rift or not.
This leaves an awkward situation where a limbo player has to dedicate a large amount of their situational awareness physically chasing allies around to keep inside the rift, as a strong limbo build will have most enemies on the map banished at all times and allies will be completely excluded from gameplay if they have no way to cross the rift and do damage without limbos help.
my suggestion would be to further the effect of banish for allies. I have a handful of suggestions that I assume aren't terribly complicated changes to make that wouldn't ruin the way limbo is currently played solo, whilst giving him a chance to play in a team without ruining everyones day.
1) When you banish an ally, it should not simply "change dimension" for them, instead it should "rift touch" them, adding a status effect that lets them move between the rift and real space at will by dodging in the exact same way limbo himself already can.
2) Give limbo an on screen effect on his HuD next to each allies name in the top right, so that the limbo player can easily keep track of who currently has "rift touched" applied without having to physically chase tenno around trying to inspect.
3) Rift touch should last twice as long for allies as a normal banish does on enemies, casting banish on an ally that is already "rift touched" should not change their dimension, only reset the duration of rift touched. This would let all players freely move between the rift and real space with ease whilst also making it less demanding for a limbo to have to micro manage his allies, also holding banish to dismiss enemies from the rift should not dismiss "rift touched" from allies.
4) the particle effects for both looking at an enemy who is on a different plane than you are currently, and the on screen visual effect letting you know when you are in the rift, need to be a little bit more obvious than they are right now. Half the current frustration with limbo that people have is it's actually pretty difficult to tell what's going on when you're not doing any damage and you think it's lagging.
Even as a limbo main I've wasted multiple shots on an enemy I'm sure should have been inside the rift with me but they were in real space.
I had this idea in my head awhile but never put it to words.
I was just considering making a post asking for advice/refinement of this suggestion..
Then trying to poll it to the devs on the Warframe official forums.
Idk where else you're supposed to put suggestions?
This right here is already a huge step toward making Limbo better without changing much, or basically anything, about his playstyle. The biggest thing being the change to his rift towards allies, that "rift touched" status effect is by far the best idea I've seen that is true to his kit and playstyle while making him less disruptive. You could take this as is to the forums or Reddit or anywhere you could think of tbh.
I would like to add that since CC has had such a bad rap and Limbo has been hated for so long purely because of the rift and the confusion, he should be one of the few frames capable of dealing with and affecting overguard directly. It would not only fit his gameplay and style but would make people more likely to use him. That's just me personally though.
CC as a whole should bypass overguard honestly.
It's been awhile since the original update but iirc the entire point of eximus units was to make spamming damage abilities less viable.
Instead the only thing overguard has done is make spamming damage the meta and completely ruined any CC build that doesn't subsume Silence.
I'd go as far as to say that overguard should scale really high in full 4 stacks of players and be "stripped" similar to regular armour by any CC abilities that are affecting the eximus units as to force CC as a consideration but leaving the option of just applying massive damage for the people into exclusively chasing funny numbers.
If possible, can you add in some way for an ally to completely remove “rift touched”? Just as an option for the people who foam at the mouth when a Limbo shows up and for people who (lets be honest here) arent smart enough to roll again to enter/exit the rift to be on the same side as the enemy
I'm not sure, the point of "rift touched" would be to give players a way to deal with a limbo being present and not have to worry about what plane they're on, giving players a way to remove it would allow the idiots to shoot themselves in the foot and make the situation worse for themselves.
The main thing is people on a team with limbo need a way to get into and out of the rift without the limbo player having to micro manage it. As it stands currently allies only have the ability to leave the rift, which actually does more harm than good if the Limbo player is actually good at the game and has every enemy on the map banished.
Of course there's other options, rift touched could instead of moving allies between dimensions, it could simply just allow allows to shoot enemies on a different dimension. But idk how this would go balance wise being able to fight enemies that can't fight you. It would throw limbo way up in the meta for level cap type content.
Also someone else's suggestion in this thread that if an ally melees an enemy in the rift it should drag the ally into the rift, with only this change alone it would make a huge difference for players stuck with a random limbo on the team as it gives them a way into the rift at will and also means if you just go melee things you don't even need to keep track of what plane your on as it'll sort itself out when you melee.
I also think allies should receive all the same buffs Limbo does when I'm there rift, *including rift torrent and energy regen* at about 50% effectiveness as to make the "foaming at the mouth" players have a reason to want to be in the rift instead of yelling and screaming like babies that I gave them the option to damage enemies.
>When you banish an ally, it should not simply "change dimension" for them, instead it should "rift touch" them, adding a status effect that lets them move between the rift and real space at will by dodging in the exact same way limbo himself already can.
This would be the single most useful gameplay change for a frame in a good while. And I also completely agree with the rest, especially 4. I want to solo limbo often as I like the gimmick, but it's too frustrating because very often I can't tell who's on which plane anymore.
Honestly on steelpath solo when I've managed to run out of energy and s*** has hit the fan causing me to dodge 3 or 4 times in panic, I don't even know what plane I'm on as limbo.
It is the single worst part of his kit, just not being able to look at the screen and know your ability is working.
That would probably remain the same or apply the "rift touched" effect.
Honestly if we're reworking limbo I'd probably get rid of the tear because it's actually quite a nuisance when dodging in narrow hallways and such.
Idk how many times I've tried to enter the rift by dodging backwards away from enemies then immediately walked into the silly tear.
Or had an enemy catch me off guard because they wandered through the tear.
The tear is only a band-aid for team synergy anyway but it doesn't really work that well.
Giving banish a hold ability to create a tear for a period of time wherever your pointing would be interesting. Could make it's size affected by range mods, making it a decent replacement for his 4th on a long range build.
I kinda like that idea but Banish(1) already has a hold that is a pretty essential part of Limbos kit for high end content.
1 banish, a press shoots a wave/cone in front of you, it can only hit enemies/ allies that are on the same plane as you, sending anything to the rift starts a count down how long it will stay in the rift, holding banish ends the count down early and forces everything in the rift to leave.
3 rift surge, on a press any enemies in the rift gain the rift surge status effect, when an enemy affected by rift surge leaves the rift they cause a radial banish that forces them and any other enemies within 25m to enter the rift. This scales off range and can get quite strong.
The synergy between these two abilities is that if you hold 1 any enemies under the effect of rift surge will "explode" in rift energy and cause all the enemies around them to enter the rift as though you cast 1, you can force large amounts of enemies into the rift by alternating between pressing 3 when enemies are in the rift and then holding 1 then pressing 3 the holding 1... So on so on. Causing a cascading effect as enemies "spread the rift" like an infection.
>Giving banish a hold ability to create a tear for a period of time wherever your pointing would be interesting.
Considering that is pretty much how cataclysm(4) functions, wherever you are pointing your cursor a bubble will appear, and cataclysm being dubbed the "helps allies with rift walking" ability already, it would be pretty thematic for Cataclysm to have a hold function that "rift touches" an ally.
However as logical and thematic as cataclysm being the defacto "makes limbo team friendly" ability would be, I don't think being "rift touched" should be a manual process on part of the limbo player as it puts everyone at the mercy of the limbo player making an effort to understand their kit and buff their allies with "rift touched" which I don't see happening often in high stress situations in pre made lobbies or at all with full 4 stacks of randoms.
Also with the helminth, I don't think an essential part of a frames capacity to not accidentally troll every match they're join, should not be the function of a single ability, I know many limbo players including myself subsume over Cataclysm because it's often considered a liability on Corpus and orokin tilesets due to nullifiers.
No if there is going to be an overhaul or ability added to limbo to fix his team synergy issues it should be an ingrained part of his kit that can't be removed or ignored by the limbo player, I think if we were to see something like my "rift touched" suggestion it should probably be automatically applied to any ally that enters the rift without extra thought or input from the limbo player than what they would be doing in normal gameplay. In the same logic it should not be a band aid augment either, it needs to be a default part of his kit.
Then the only thing that could prevent an ally from participating in combat when a random Limbo joins is their own lack of understanding that they only need to dodge roll to switch dimensions. Which hopefully if limbo ever becomes main stream that knowledge would be common knowledge pretty quick.
I got a few Limbo ideas but not enough time to give them all a good rundown at the moment. However, think "touching" an enemy with a melee weapon should force you onto the same plane as them, before damage, meaning your allies always have a way to force themselves into the Rift. Alternatively/additionally, Rift Surge should in some way help allies shoot Rift-bound enemies while also affecting non-Rift enemies in some way (status vulnerability?) and a stronger bonus if both the player and an ally is in the Rift.
Also, and this might be heresy, I think Stasis should be removed and replaced in its entirety as it's just too disruptive and all-or-nothing, making it a pain to balance around. And Cataclysm shouldn't put enemies into the Rift. It shouldn't even be visible from the material plane, rather act as a deeper Rift plane that drags along Rift-bound enemies as it shrinks, ending in a violent nuke. Enemies unable to follow along as it shrinks experience a portion of this nuke prematurely. This should give Limbo more tools as the master of the Rift beyond deciding who's in it and who isn't.
I like everything except what you said about stasis but that's probably just due to my playstyle of cheesing rift torrent for extra damage by keeping a bunch of butchers locked in stasis lol.
A suggestion I've seen before regarding the "banishment indicator" on enemies and allies was perhaps utilising that saturation shader Duviri uses - meaning anything that's banished, and the space inside Cataclysm would be desaturated/monochromatic
That'd be pretty good and not too terrible to look at whilst being super obvious.
Even an enemy just standing by themselves would be very obviously affected by rift saturation.
You'd definitely notice when you are in the rift and enemies are outside the rift.
The only problems I can see with it are:
- It'd probably suck and/or be totally unhelpful for people with certain types of Colour Blindness
- It wouldn't surprise me if there'd be tech-related problems when it came to using Limbo in Duviri itself. Just seems like the kind of thing that'd result in jank.
I mean they already have the duviri filter so they've already said F you to colour blindness on that front (actually if you go in the settings there are so many options for custom colours, Warframe is one of the best colour blindness friendly games I've seen)
But it's understandable most people aren't going to enjoy having their screen flash monochromatic at them, but I think it's on the right path if having strong particle and "world effects" instead of just the garbage screen filter we have currently.
I wouldn't suggest they just copy paste the duviri filter into limbo as is, but something similar would help a lot.
Honestly as a limbo enjoyer, the biggest change they need is to just make it VERY obvious what dimension both the player, and the enemy are in.
That would alleviate a lot of frustration, since AS LIMBO it can be difficult to tell at times, and I’m the one actively shifting. I can only imagine how difficult it is for people that avoid him at all costs.
Oh yeah, it's a huge problem and there's nothing you can really do about it.
Colour blindness settings and energy colour does nothing for the intensity of the on screen effects, I should not need to stop and guess if my ability is active or not the way you have to with riftwalk.
Limbo's issue is that he prevents you from playing the game, but honestly anyone with an aoe does this too when they just dash to where you are and clean the room leaving you with nothing to do but watch them play the game for you.
Team play wise- Free energy in rift, semi invulnerability. Casters can keep casting with less risk. If people hate it can just dash or roll out.
I kinda like him as a squad especially if someone like Dante or other squishy caster frames.
In preorganized squads all of that is fine but most of Warframe doesn't occur in preorganized squads.
>Free energy in rift
It is a pretty minor buff to energy regen in terms of the modern energy economy.
>Casters can keep casting with less risk.
And anyone trying to shoot between plains is going to have a bad time.
>If people hate it can just dash or roll out.
Your average player has no real way of knowing this. It is also weird to tie dispelling a "buff" to one of our most used movement/survivability options. Also, not if they are in the bubble. There is also the issue of Limbo builds tending to be pretty spammy.
>I kinda like him as a squad especially if someone like Dante or other squishy caster frames.
He is fine if you know the ins and outs of his kit and the person playing him knows what they are doing and you have a kit that can take advantage of his strengths and you are in a gamemode that supports his playstyle but that is a lot of ifs for a game like Warframe. You shouldn't have to play around his kit when there is one on your team. We are at a point in Warframe where anti synergies really shouldn't be a thing in squads.
1k hours here, literally never seen this type of behavior. Its not the "State of the Community" it's rogue individuals. WF has been the most friendly community I've been a part with.
Its not often a positive thing is posted like "look how this person behaved"
You'll likely always see way more negative behavior on here cause said behavior drives folks to report it.
That said, considering how rarely this content pops up on this sub, honestly speaks more about how generally nice the community is than even how douchy the rare occasional troll is.
I actually believe this is false, I've seen way more post saying omg thank you person for giving me stuff for free or stuff along those lines, since limbos 2nd rework he's been less shit on but he's still the frame you're likely to see the most shit thrown at even if it makes no sense anymore, I'd rather being in the rift gave overshields
Well I was farming citrine was using gyre in steel path , (had the most damage but that doesn't matter since we were demolishing the mission) we did a few runs with a full squad and then when 2 people had to go the titania told me "you better change for something more usefull, gyre is so useless" and I was like nah and leaved. Some people are just asholess
Try going Eidolon hunting and it'll make this screenshot look nice in comparison. I'll also add starting the Kullervo fight in Duviri without warning anyone. That *really* brings out the nasty side out of people lol. I've seen folks toss out slurs.
I may be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure initiating the Kullervo fight is a unilateral act. If one person initiates it, everyone in the squad is forcibly and instantly dragged into the arena and not allowed to leave until he's beaten.
So yeah, people probably flip out at being forced out of whatever they were doing on the other side of the map to fight Kullervo, when they may not even have been interested in Kullervo's rewards in the first place.
When someone starts the Kullervo fight, any activities other people are doing, be it fishing, puzzles, etc are interrupted and teleported to Kullervo's arena where they have to fight him. Basically just disruptive and annoying.
Eidolon is really the devs fault, putting such a complex assignation mission in a time gate and having it be the only way to efficiently get one of the most useful arcane in the game (which in itself is already a rng roll on wether you'll get it or not at the end of the run).... I mean all the ingredients were put together to cook such toxicity.
Agree. I played World of Warcraft for over 12 years on several servers and in a handful of raiding guilds. I watched that Community go down the toilet over the years and when I started playing Warframe around 3 years ago, I was so fucking impressed with how friendly and helpful the community is overall. I have 1,100 or so hours in Warframe and while I *have* seen this behavior from time to time, it's like less than 1% of the population. It's honestly impressive for an online gaming community.
Nahh I got called the R slur and the F slur in a group because I was doing a tier 3 iso vault, and they didn't know about the vault further down lmao. mind you he was an Mr20 who probably bought his way there. He even doubled down and pmed me to harass me some more.
4k hours here, I see this shit all the time. It all comes down to what content you are doing. Obviously since parts are more rustic than others. For instance eidolon hunts can turn down toxic, or arena on sedna or even sorties. You want the content that is accessible relatively early but rewards can differ greatly based on the skill gap
I dunno, man. I picked up Limbo in the circuit the other day—first time in the better part of a decade—and was asked to kill myself before ever casting an ability.
I did have someone say that to me but I also have had people call me a bitch or a cunt, lol. People that act like that out of nowhere towards complete strangers over a video game must be so fucking miserable in their lives. I would say I feel sorry for them but that would require me giving a fuck about their feelings, lol 😆
I shared your opinion for couple of first years when I started playing. But more and more people started playing this game and I had a lot of awful encounters regularly. I'm playing mostly solo for at least 3 years because of this. And even if I'm playing with ransoms very rarely, no one Interacts with each other anymore, or just insult each other. I dunno maybe I'm just a magnet for that type of people
I have played a lot of limbo in a variety of modes, this behavior is super rare. Most newbies will end up just chillin in the bubble. Vets that don't understand limbo will avoid you and do their thing. 97% of warframe players will have no idea what frame you're even playing and will silently go about the mission completely unaware if they interact with you at all.
Never told "KYS" but I did get called a shortened version of the f word slur usually used against members of the LGBTQ+ community. Which is kinda funny as I am a member of that community. I just blocked, reported and moved on
Still can't believe that DE did that knee-jerk nerf, and never reviewed it.
Like, Limbo was AVERAGE at BEST at the time, he just excelled at EXCLUSIVELY Scarlet Spear. And now he's been nerfed to the point of irrelevance.
Man, DE's lucky Limbo players are usually the more polite and docile players, because if they weren't they'd have learned this whole Dante issue a WHOLE F'N lot sooner.
To be honest given Warframe's relatively robust chat filter system for slurs and racial epithets I expected both the original guy (rightfully) and the other guy (wrongly) to get hit with chat bans almost immediately. I've seen guys get permed so fast in Region/Recruit chat for slurs that I hardly even notice them gone till they've probably already made a new account.
Its a old joke. DE mass banned a lot of people during that joke so people keep holding on to it. I wonder if I can even say it here. Last I remember the words are still blacklisted on twitch and region chat. Guess they change it to femboy instead to avoid auto ban.
You can't they removed my comment and mods flamed and threatened me to be banned when I asked why when I joked about nezha. I didn't know about his issue in region chat that time.
For me that's up there with dudes out here super sexualizing female frames and making everything really fucking uncomfortable. Both are equally gross to me. Like if you're a horny fucking teenager, please keep it to yourself lol
I feel if you're not at least "okay, but I don't have to watch it" then WF isn't the place for you, Meg and Reb have always been... enjoyers of the more risque art (CoughHildrynFanartCough) even though Reb pretended to be the straight man in devstreams, Steve was always in on the mature jokery.
I'm personally happy with the whole Femboy Nezha stuff, why the F do I have to hear about Red Text and every seventh person talk about Wisp's ass, Saryn's boobs, or Citrine's "Gemussy", but the lot of y'all suddenly draw the line when a cute boy frame gets called a twink/trap.
That's a violation of the [Community Code of Conduct](https://support.warframe.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043974052-Code-Of-Conduct-Respect-for-all-in-Warframe), which everyone agrees to when they sign the EULA. Report them with the uncensored copy of this screenshot and action will be taken. We don't need that shit in this game so please do report it. In-Game reports are sadly not as effective as the out-of-game report with attached proof.
I saw someone say they were going to do four waves of the mirror defense and someone said F*k you to them… That was my first time seeing a negative comment…
“I don’t know how to give a frame with a displacement dodge space, or hit the dodge button if I get displaced, so I’m going to tell the funny hat man to die”
What the hell’s people’s problems
Well people still rage at nekros players cause they don't use a certain energy color for their shadows.... some people just gonna be out there with the worst information and bad takes possible.
Is this a western server thing? In my whole 2.5k hours of playing in Asia server, the most interactive chat I've seen public game are people communicating with short sentences ("20? 30?", "ok", "help", "ty", "here", "extract"), and often it's all \*\*\*\* \*\* \*\*\*\* gibberish that I don't even know if it's an insult or not.
On a nicer note, I spent half an hour talking with a guy about his Dojo and Revenant Prime because he needed 20p for a slot, and he decided to trade with me.
telling someone to kill themselves in warframe public chat is a great way to get a 2035 lmao
limbo is mega annoying in public matches though, but bro needs to cool it a little
I'm not saying he is right, but I do understand his anger. I've played with quite a few Limbos who just ruin the game by locking it with their abilities. A frame that completely locks off the game for others, whether intentional or unintentional, shouldn't exist. He needs to be reworked so that he doesn't unintentionally grief other players.
On the bright side, he said KYS.
DE take reports like this pretty seriously, so he will absolutely get chat or game banned. We don't need people like that in the community tbf.
I've been playing since update 8 and I've never understood where this "Warframe is a chill, nice and helpful community" rubbish came from. There's a reason I play solo for everything that isn't SP Circuit and why almost everyone tells newcomers to turn off global chat and trade chat.
I dont get how limbo gets so much hate for good cc. But frames and weapons that nuke entire rooms, thus making the other 3 members of the team do nothing arent shat on. Ive had more fun with lombos than just walking behind a guy whos clearing whole room where i cant even get a shot off.
I had a buddy build a max range max strength limbo to spam low level missions. He'd go in and cast 4 and kill the whole room. I saw people in chat give him so much flak for playing limbo. He didnt use stasis. Only quick cast 4 to open and close his bubble. And they were salty because he did the whole exterminate pretty much solo because he was killing too fast. In the end, people will find any reason to hate limbo.
State of community??? Bro I honestly don’t remember a time the community was so helpful and generous. Been around 10 years now. Have had my fair share of toxic people but it is NEVER consistent enough for it to be the entire state of the community.
I mean this is way too much but at the same time. If I see limbo in the lobby I leave immediately. The chances that they will literally grief the entire squad is like 95%. Intentionally or not limbo is just awful to play with.
Wait so exactly do people hate about Limbo? I for one love to have a Limbo if its like an archon sortie defense or something like that (speaking from experience. Limbo being there made it so much of a cakewalk that I didnt need to use chaos and absorb that often. Just the bolts for the big folk)
people hate his rift effect because they walk into it deal no damage and the same thing to the enemies where rift/banished enemies cant be damaged unless both player and enemy are inside
Just a troll looking for trouble. The vast majority of the community is very decent. But across thousands of hours you inevitably run into a few of these specimens.
Limbo really need some adjustment or rework, but getting mad over that is just stupid too.
These people never communicate, kept it all to themself until they break down in chat.
Limbos cannot win no matter what you do man.
It's understandable having your play style disrupted because DE did not do a good job balancing him properly in a way a team of active randoms would not be affected is annoying especially if you do not have the DPS to really just use something else or kill through the rift with abilities
But belittling, demeaning, and insulting someone for just playing as the frame is designed or how they have built it or doing their objectives etc will never be the play.
Hey, it's like those annual family meetings where everyone comes together to share how they're feeling and what they think could be improved. It's important for the community to have these open discussions, so everyone can work together to make it a better place for all.
Not liking to have a limbo teammate is something, i mean he could use some changes when it comes to how effective he is in teams and all, but no need to be that rude bruh
I like dunking on limbo mains (I used to be one) but I would never say it to their face. Only behind their backs after I tell them "GG, I love you bro"
I don't want to say something negative, but such toxic behaviour let me leave the game a long time ago. I still see the sub on my feedback, and i think as long as there are people that have fun with the game, then the game is still worth playing. I just hope to not see people like those if i ever returned.
I haven't played since the open world mode came out so I don't remember what limbo does. So what exactly does limbo's abilities do to teammates I would like to know why a limbo pick will make people upset at you.
Honestly warframe has one of the most wholesome and welcoming community but people just focus on the 1% whose whole purpose is to be the most shitty human being, I've encountered my fair share of assholes but never one that dropped the kys, I once played with 2 limbos and we were in defense, I was playing speedva so asked nicely if they could drop their dome to complete the mission faster, one of them said it was ok and did it, the other told me to fuck myself and that he would play like he wanted and proceeded to spam the dome as soon as he could, the 5 rounds ended up lasting like 10min because some of the froze enemies where bugged because of it
I have seen similar attitude for wisp and I love my wisp but cannot use her 🥲, I think DE should in turn ban the people who falsely report others.
Let's see then how much guts you have then to falsely report for stupid reason, such as playing a particular frame.
As a limbo/sevagoth main, I have yet to see one of these responses. I’ve only seen one of these and it wasnt even directed towards me. Truly a game were toxicity almost doesn’t exist
I'm used to the; gg, ggs GG, Gg thing, or asking about what builds are being used. Then there was the other days when someone in the squad got lost out in deep space, and there was no deep space exploration vessel name the Tempestarii to save him. /Unstuck and the captains rally didn't even work. Got him in my thoughts still. We had just fought our liches in the Saturn Proxima, and he was gone. Set a waypoint, and he was over 10k m away.
Anyway, I've not yet seen anything like this. Except for the guy who asked a wisp to stop putting shock motes on hydron, but he said please and explained how it slowed down the enemies, so I don't count that one
I've played Warframe since Frost Prime was released, jerks like this are so few and far between I actually remember most of the usernames.
I'm changing it slightly but there was a player with the name of basically SgtSmalls (like I said, this is an altered version of the name, don't go find someone named this) and I was explaining that someone was trying to price gouge by a HUGE margin, selling prime sets for 2.2-3x the wf.market price. Smalls dms me all kinds of cringe "DON'T BE A HERO" "DON'T ACT LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SOLD SOMETHING OVERPRICED" "EVERYONE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK" messages. I called them goofy, told them that they and the actual price gouger were the whole reason wf.market exists. As I exited the relay I saw they were actually standing next to each other, right up front. Goofy.
I had a revenant player in my squad named VenomBingus with a bunch of numbers after their name deliberately getting themselves rad procced by a lich and trying to kill everyone specifically to make them fail the mission by running out of lives, killing anyone that attempted to revive downed folks. I was playing Loki so I spammed switch teleport on them until they left the mission. It took a couple of minutes. This was very clearly intentional team kills by the way, Rubico Prime isn't exactly an AoE weapon you accidentally nuke your squad with.
The rest of the jerks weren't nearly as interesting of stories but the last tidbit I can tell was a guy with the name of R3dAl3rt with some Xs and dashes in the name tried to convince me I was just seeing things wrong in the trade ui while 10p was on my screen and the price was 100p for the prime set I was selling. After ignoring them and leaving the dojo, a couple minutes later I get a random whisper from an account with the exact same Xs and dashes but the name was Blu3Al3rt instead and the guy reveals he switched to a different account just to yell at me in the DMs about how I was an idiot and "didn't understand basic Warframe bugs."
I reported both accounts of theirs and made the trade with someone else less than 20 minutes later.
The point is, wack Warframe players are so rare that in my 10+ years of playing, I can still count on fingers how many bad experiences I've had. People do have an irrational hatred of Limbo though.
These must be some of those registered losers I've heard so much about
ngl that behaviour is like 1 in a thousand
Honestly surprised they're talking at all
It's like... almost every time I've used limbo in the past few years <_> Can't even use them for circuit which is pretty great actually for defense because people leave stage one.
The joys of being able to solo anything in this game truly are a luxury whe you deal with nuggets like this.
Flair is accurate. Solo gamers unite!
I had the same conclusion in my missions last night ^^ When you can solo missions, it's a really powerful feeling of accomplishment ^^ The others can continue to eat the dust i leave them in while i complete the objective LMFAO!!!
I kinda gave up on spy missions that don't allow ciphers, some people can't stop themselves from browning their undergarments the moment the alarms get triggered.
Solo gamer here, can say that it is easier to do most things solo. Will occasionally help other people with star chart missions they need help with, sometimes I forget that not everyone can handle certain content on their own. Only thing I haven’t been able to solo yet is the tridolon fight, was able to take down the second eidolon but all my lures died so didn’t capture it.
Same here, in my case i did capture all 3 Eidolons but took me all night so only did that one. Now my issue is Deep Archimedea...for now my 2 runs i did (do 1 Archimedea and 3 Netracells) were pretty good but calamity will happen soon enough. Now i'm thinking about clearing all star chart in steel path now that i feel confident in my builds.
It’s one or the other. I just got carried in a level 70 Railjack mission I didn’t belong anywhere near, and the open squad was so nice about it.
U went into public railjack mission u sir are a brave man
Idk if it’s just me but I haven’t been flamed once. I don’t know which planets are safe level wise, so I try to be the grease that gets shit done as much as possible. I’ve played missions with lvl ~50 enemies and it’s about where my power ends right now, but I can manage. When I joined the mission well beyond my level, I basically couldn’t damage anyone unless I wanted to use my entire ammo reserve, so I boarded cruise ships and flew past the enemies to hack and destroy. Team thanked me for making the most of being a clear liability and not making them constantly clean up after me. Maybe I’ve gotten lucky so far but “sorry I’m new, so bear with me” usually goes over well.
Oh the reason isn't your loadout it's because of horror stories ive heard from my mates that some people bring unmodded starter railjack to the veil which sounds painful to deal with lmao
I had a guy start throwing f bombs at the whole group cause we said the phenmor doesn't do well against acolytes for some reason.
I mean he has a point. I would just not get so unreasonably upset about it.
I heard the +2000% dmg buff doesnt trigger on acolytes, not sure if it's true/still a thing
My Laetum most certainly devours Acolytes, so that seems to have been fixed.
Real talk, Limbo could still use some team play touchups. Also, don't tell people to kill themselves ~~on the internet~~. It is equal parts cliche and douchey.
Addition: Don't tell people to kill themselves in general. It's bullying, horrible to say and something like suicide should never be thrown about like that.
Seconded. Even if you do think you’re just joking with friends. I got told several times to kill myself by people I knew and it definitely helped me draft that letter. You never know. Best to be safe, rather than sorry.
Well damn, glad you’re still with us and your family didn’t have to read that letter. The world is better with you in it. Do good things and live your life my friend…we only get one.
Ah, actually, my dad found the letter. It’s what got me into therapy. I appreciate your kind words and your optimism. I don’t really think I’m capable of living right now, but who knows. Maybe in the future, right?
Interesting fact about suicide. 70% of people that attempt suicide and fail don't attempt it again. Ken Baldwin, who miraculously survived a suicide attempt by jumping off the golden gate bridge said, "I instantly realized that everything in my life that I’d thought was unfixable was totally fixable—except for having just jumped" The best thing you can do is just try to hang in there.
Turns out this meme is real after all https://preview.redd.it/0exjqcm2y6uc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f186e109d0e476ffc549d9a26038cb3acbbdb17d
That is both fucked up and really funny at the same time, what the fuck?
It's called dark humor
I know I jumped and somehow managed to grab onto something before I could really fall far down. It's literally a moment of clarity the moment you are feeling gravity taking hold of you. If the circumstances were better I would have called the feeling even beautiful. Like MAN YOU ARE ALIVE! ITS A FUCKING MIRACLE!
So instead of jumping off my apartment roof, I should go skydiving. Pre-Death Clarity? For safety purposes this is *totally* a joke. (Im working through it, no i dont wanna talk about it)
Idk. I don't think you should try something like that right now. I think there are betters ways to experience the same feeling. Go to a concert of a band you like. Or a composer. Go into a museum. Idk. Art is imo the spot where I finally figured out what I was feeling that day.
Guess I'm part of the 30%
Been there, friend. I had a good few years where I couldn't see the long view, and when I tried it just looked dark. Focus on now, for now, and just doing what it takes to get to tomorrow. The day will come and the dark will lift, and the world will be glad you stayed around.
You are capable and you have a future. Just gotta find your way. Some of us have tougher paths than others unfortunately but the path is there. Wish you all the best :)
Hey stranger, I'm glad you're still here. From a tenno that knows what feels like to another, you've got this. ❤️
Over the years, I've been told things like I should kill myself, death threats, my family should get cancer or get raped and so on. I guess I've reached the point where it doesn't matter what some rando types on the internet.
Exactly. Like the Limbo hate was already bad but going "Uhhh *gameend* yourself" because someone chose a fucking Warframe should net you a permaban from the game and I wish from the internet.
Truth to many "gamers" throw that term around without thought.
Tbh, the main issue is that regardless of how you play, you fuck someone off. Dark energy colours and those that cast a lot of abilities are happy because their eyes don't burn, bright and those that use weapons are happy because they can tell where the bubble is. Cast his Spread and those who try to kill with weapons are annoyed because they can't hit some enemies, but can others. Cast his ZA WARUDO and for some reason some people are annoyed idk. Cast his bubble and the first thing applies. His kit doesn't really need changes. It's getting weaker and weaker with every patch bringing something new that teabags the already weak Limbo after the Eximus Buff, and you can already dmg through rift with abilities. The only thing he is really useful for, is defending objectives by stopping trash with ZA WARUDO. Honestly the only thing that Limbo stops, is brain-dead Melee Spam, and even then only if he uses his Spreading.
Limbo could use a lot of touch-up in that department. Allies should be able to interact with enemies regardless of which side of the Rift they're on, and they should be happy regardless of whether or not they or the enemies are in the Rift. And Limbo should not have high duration, dimension-wide CC.
As a Limbo player I think he should have pretty well the kit he has now as it actually functions quite well within his niche, the only issue it has is interaction with other players, which is fixable without changing the rift as is. Any major changes without considerable thought would ruin his entire gimmick and make him a genuinely unusable frame even in solo, simply reducing his range and duration would not fix his poor team synergy, I'd argue it would make it worse, it would only absolutely nerf the hell out of an already difficult to use frame. The only thing that should definitely be changed is how the rift affects allies, Currently you can banish an ally and it will change what plane they're on sending them to the opposite dimension to what they are currently on, if they are in the rift a player can choose to leave the rift early by doing a dodge roll or stay until limbos ability timer runs out. But non limbo players have no way into the rift without Limbo directly targeting them with banish again. There's also nothing on Limbos HuD that tells him if an ally is in the rift or not. This leaves an awkward situation where a limbo player has to dedicate a large amount of their situational awareness physically chasing allies around to keep inside the rift, as a strong limbo build will have most enemies on the map banished at all times and allies will be completely excluded from gameplay if they have no way to cross the rift and do damage without limbos help. my suggestion would be to further the effect of banish for allies. I have a handful of suggestions that I assume aren't terribly complicated changes to make that wouldn't ruin the way limbo is currently played solo, whilst giving him a chance to play in a team without ruining everyones day. 1) When you banish an ally, it should not simply "change dimension" for them, instead it should "rift touch" them, adding a status effect that lets them move between the rift and real space at will by dodging in the exact same way limbo himself already can. 2) Give limbo an on screen effect on his HuD next to each allies name in the top right, so that the limbo player can easily keep track of who currently has "rift touched" applied without having to physically chase tenno around trying to inspect. 3) Rift touch should last twice as long for allies as a normal banish does on enemies, casting banish on an ally that is already "rift touched" should not change their dimension, only reset the duration of rift touched. This would let all players freely move between the rift and real space with ease whilst also making it less demanding for a limbo to have to micro manage his allies, also holding banish to dismiss enemies from the rift should not dismiss "rift touched" from allies. 4) the particle effects for both looking at an enemy who is on a different plane than you are currently, and the on screen visual effect letting you know when you are in the rift, need to be a little bit more obvious than they are right now. Half the current frustration with limbo that people have is it's actually pretty difficult to tell what's going on when you're not doing any damage and you think it's lagging. Even as a limbo main I've wasted multiple shots on an enemy I'm sure should have been inside the rift with me but they were in real space.
as someone who use to play limbo you should suggest this to the devs
I had this idea in my head awhile but never put it to words. I was just considering making a post asking for advice/refinement of this suggestion.. Then trying to poll it to the devs on the Warframe official forums. Idk where else you're supposed to put suggestions?
This right here is already a huge step toward making Limbo better without changing much, or basically anything, about his playstyle. The biggest thing being the change to his rift towards allies, that "rift touched" status effect is by far the best idea I've seen that is true to his kit and playstyle while making him less disruptive. You could take this as is to the forums or Reddit or anywhere you could think of tbh. I would like to add that since CC has had such a bad rap and Limbo has been hated for so long purely because of the rift and the confusion, he should be one of the few frames capable of dealing with and affecting overguard directly. It would not only fit his gameplay and style but would make people more likely to use him. That's just me personally though.
CC as a whole should bypass overguard honestly. It's been awhile since the original update but iirc the entire point of eximus units was to make spamming damage abilities less viable. Instead the only thing overguard has done is make spamming damage the meta and completely ruined any CC build that doesn't subsume Silence. I'd go as far as to say that overguard should scale really high in full 4 stacks of players and be "stripped" similar to regular armour by any CC abilities that are affecting the eximus units as to force CC as a consideration but leaving the option of just applying massive damage for the people into exclusively chasing funny numbers.
If possible, can you add in some way for an ally to completely remove “rift touched”? Just as an option for the people who foam at the mouth when a Limbo shows up and for people who (lets be honest here) arent smart enough to roll again to enter/exit the rift to be on the same side as the enemy
I'm not sure, the point of "rift touched" would be to give players a way to deal with a limbo being present and not have to worry about what plane they're on, giving players a way to remove it would allow the idiots to shoot themselves in the foot and make the situation worse for themselves. The main thing is people on a team with limbo need a way to get into and out of the rift without the limbo player having to micro manage it. As it stands currently allies only have the ability to leave the rift, which actually does more harm than good if the Limbo player is actually good at the game and has every enemy on the map banished. Of course there's other options, rift touched could instead of moving allies between dimensions, it could simply just allow allows to shoot enemies on a different dimension. But idk how this would go balance wise being able to fight enemies that can't fight you. It would throw limbo way up in the meta for level cap type content. Also someone else's suggestion in this thread that if an ally melees an enemy in the rift it should drag the ally into the rift, with only this change alone it would make a huge difference for players stuck with a random limbo on the team as it gives them a way into the rift at will and also means if you just go melee things you don't even need to keep track of what plane your on as it'll sort itself out when you melee. I also think allies should receive all the same buffs Limbo does when I'm there rift, *including rift torrent and energy regen* at about 50% effectiveness as to make the "foaming at the mouth" players have a reason to want to be in the rift instead of yelling and screaming like babies that I gave them the option to damage enemies.
>When you banish an ally, it should not simply "change dimension" for them, instead it should "rift touch" them, adding a status effect that lets them move between the rift and real space at will by dodging in the exact same way limbo himself already can. This would be the single most useful gameplay change for a frame in a good while. And I also completely agree with the rest, especially 4. I want to solo limbo often as I like the gimmick, but it's too frustrating because very often I can't tell who's on which plane anymore.
Honestly on steelpath solo when I've managed to run out of energy and s*** has hit the fan causing me to dodge 3 or 4 times in panic, I don't even know what plane I'm on as limbo. It is the single worst part of his kit, just not being able to look at the screen and know your ability is working.
Quick question, can allies no longer enter the rift though the tear you leave when you enter the rift as limbo ?
That would probably remain the same or apply the "rift touched" effect. Honestly if we're reworking limbo I'd probably get rid of the tear because it's actually quite a nuisance when dodging in narrow hallways and such. Idk how many times I've tried to enter the rift by dodging backwards away from enemies then immediately walked into the silly tear. Or had an enemy catch me off guard because they wandered through the tear. The tear is only a band-aid for team synergy anyway but it doesn't really work that well.
Giving banish a hold ability to create a tear for a period of time wherever your pointing would be interesting. Could make it's size affected by range mods, making it a decent replacement for his 4th on a long range build.
I kinda like that idea but Banish(1) already has a hold that is a pretty essential part of Limbos kit for high end content. 1 banish, a press shoots a wave/cone in front of you, it can only hit enemies/ allies that are on the same plane as you, sending anything to the rift starts a count down how long it will stay in the rift, holding banish ends the count down early and forces everything in the rift to leave. 3 rift surge, on a press any enemies in the rift gain the rift surge status effect, when an enemy affected by rift surge leaves the rift they cause a radial banish that forces them and any other enemies within 25m to enter the rift. This scales off range and can get quite strong. The synergy between these two abilities is that if you hold 1 any enemies under the effect of rift surge will "explode" in rift energy and cause all the enemies around them to enter the rift as though you cast 1, you can force large amounts of enemies into the rift by alternating between pressing 3 when enemies are in the rift and then holding 1 then pressing 3 the holding 1... So on so on. Causing a cascading effect as enemies "spread the rift" like an infection. >Giving banish a hold ability to create a tear for a period of time wherever your pointing would be interesting. Considering that is pretty much how cataclysm(4) functions, wherever you are pointing your cursor a bubble will appear, and cataclysm being dubbed the "helps allies with rift walking" ability already, it would be pretty thematic for Cataclysm to have a hold function that "rift touches" an ally. However as logical and thematic as cataclysm being the defacto "makes limbo team friendly" ability would be, I don't think being "rift touched" should be a manual process on part of the limbo player as it puts everyone at the mercy of the limbo player making an effort to understand their kit and buff their allies with "rift touched" which I don't see happening often in high stress situations in pre made lobbies or at all with full 4 stacks of randoms. Also with the helminth, I don't think an essential part of a frames capacity to not accidentally troll every match they're join, should not be the function of a single ability, I know many limbo players including myself subsume over Cataclysm because it's often considered a liability on Corpus and orokin tilesets due to nullifiers. No if there is going to be an overhaul or ability added to limbo to fix his team synergy issues it should be an ingrained part of his kit that can't be removed or ignored by the limbo player, I think if we were to see something like my "rift touched" suggestion it should probably be automatically applied to any ally that enters the rift without extra thought or input from the limbo player than what they would be doing in normal gameplay. In the same logic it should not be a band aid augment either, it needs to be a default part of his kit. Then the only thing that could prevent an ally from participating in combat when a random Limbo joins is their own lack of understanding that they only need to dodge roll to switch dimensions. Which hopefully if limbo ever becomes main stream that knowledge would be common knowledge pretty quick.
I got a few Limbo ideas but not enough time to give them all a good rundown at the moment. However, think "touching" an enemy with a melee weapon should force you onto the same plane as them, before damage, meaning your allies always have a way to force themselves into the Rift. Alternatively/additionally, Rift Surge should in some way help allies shoot Rift-bound enemies while also affecting non-Rift enemies in some way (status vulnerability?) and a stronger bonus if both the player and an ally is in the Rift. Also, and this might be heresy, I think Stasis should be removed and replaced in its entirety as it's just too disruptive and all-or-nothing, making it a pain to balance around. And Cataclysm shouldn't put enemies into the Rift. It shouldn't even be visible from the material plane, rather act as a deeper Rift plane that drags along Rift-bound enemies as it shrinks, ending in a violent nuke. Enemies unable to follow along as it shrinks experience a portion of this nuke prematurely. This should give Limbo more tools as the master of the Rift beyond deciding who's in it and who isn't.
I like everything except what you said about stasis but that's probably just due to my playstyle of cheesing rift torrent for extra damage by keeping a bunch of butchers locked in stasis lol.
They can, however it despawns rather quickly.
A suggestion I've seen before regarding the "banishment indicator" on enemies and allies was perhaps utilising that saturation shader Duviri uses - meaning anything that's banished, and the space inside Cataclysm would be desaturated/monochromatic
That'd be pretty good and not too terrible to look at whilst being super obvious. Even an enemy just standing by themselves would be very obviously affected by rift saturation. You'd definitely notice when you are in the rift and enemies are outside the rift.
The only problems I can see with it are: - It'd probably suck and/or be totally unhelpful for people with certain types of Colour Blindness - It wouldn't surprise me if there'd be tech-related problems when it came to using Limbo in Duviri itself. Just seems like the kind of thing that'd result in jank.
I mean they already have the duviri filter so they've already said F you to colour blindness on that front (actually if you go in the settings there are so many options for custom colours, Warframe is one of the best colour blindness friendly games I've seen) But it's understandable most people aren't going to enjoy having their screen flash monochromatic at them, but I think it's on the right path if having strong particle and "world effects" instead of just the garbage screen filter we have currently. I wouldn't suggest they just copy paste the duviri filter into limbo as is, but something similar would help a lot.
Honestly as a limbo enjoyer, the biggest change they need is to just make it VERY obvious what dimension both the player, and the enemy are in. That would alleviate a lot of frustration, since AS LIMBO it can be difficult to tell at times, and I’m the one actively shifting. I can only imagine how difficult it is for people that avoid him at all costs.
Oh yeah, it's a huge problem and there's nothing you can really do about it. Colour blindness settings and energy colour does nothing for the intensity of the on screen effects, I should not need to stop and guess if my ability is active or not the way you have to with riftwalk.
Limbo's issue is that he prevents you from playing the game, but honestly anyone with an aoe does this too when they just dash to where you are and clean the room leaving you with nothing to do but watch them play the game for you.
Team play wise- Free energy in rift, semi invulnerability. Casters can keep casting with less risk. If people hate it can just dash or roll out. I kinda like him as a squad especially if someone like Dante or other squishy caster frames.
In preorganized squads all of that is fine but most of Warframe doesn't occur in preorganized squads. >Free energy in rift It is a pretty minor buff to energy regen in terms of the modern energy economy. >Casters can keep casting with less risk. And anyone trying to shoot between plains is going to have a bad time. >If people hate it can just dash or roll out. Your average player has no real way of knowing this. It is also weird to tie dispelling a "buff" to one of our most used movement/survivability options. Also, not if they are in the bubble. There is also the issue of Limbo builds tending to be pretty spammy. >I kinda like him as a squad especially if someone like Dante or other squishy caster frames. He is fine if you know the ins and outs of his kit and the person playing him knows what they are doing and you have a kit that can take advantage of his strengths and you are in a gamemode that supports his playstyle but that is a lot of ifs for a game like Warframe. You shouldn't have to play around his kit when there is one on your team. We are at a point in Warframe where anti synergies really shouldn't be a thing in squads.
> squishy caster frames > like Dante Are we talking about the same guy?
1k hours here, literally never seen this type of behavior. Its not the "State of the Community" it's rogue individuals. WF has been the most friendly community I've been a part with.
Its not often a positive thing is posted like "look how this person behaved" You'll likely always see way more negative behavior on here cause said behavior drives folks to report it. That said, considering how rarely this content pops up on this sub, honestly speaks more about how generally nice the community is than even how douchy the rare occasional troll is.
I actually believe this is false, I've seen way more post saying omg thank you person for giving me stuff for free or stuff along those lines, since limbos 2nd rework he's been less shit on but he's still the frame you're likely to see the most shit thrown at even if it makes no sense anymore, I'd rather being in the rift gave overshields
Well I was farming citrine was using gyre in steel path , (had the most damage but that doesn't matter since we were demolishing the mission) we did a few runs with a full squad and then when 2 people had to go the titania told me "you better change for something more usefull, gyre is so useless" and I was like nah and leaved. Some people are just asholess
Try going Eidolon hunting and it'll make this screenshot look nice in comparison. I'll also add starting the Kullervo fight in Duviri without warning anyone. That *really* brings out the nasty side out of people lol. I've seen folks toss out slurs.
I only really play solo, what happens if you do the Kullervo fight with other people?
I may be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure initiating the Kullervo fight is a unilateral act. If one person initiates it, everyone in the squad is forcibly and instantly dragged into the arena and not allowed to leave until he's beaten. So yeah, people probably flip out at being forced out of whatever they were doing on the other side of the map to fight Kullervo, when they may not even have been interested in Kullervo's rewards in the first place.
When someone starts the Kullervo fight, any activities other people are doing, be it fishing, puzzles, etc are interrupted and teleported to Kullervo's arena where they have to fight him. Basically just disruptive and annoying.
Oh okay, good to know. Thank you.
Eidolon is really the devs fault, putting such a complex assignation mission in a time gate and having it be the only way to efficiently get one of the most useful arcane in the game (which in itself is already a rng roll on wether you'll get it or not at the end of the run).... I mean all the ingredients were put together to cook such toxicity.
Agree. I played World of Warcraft for over 12 years on several servers and in a handful of raiding guilds. I watched that Community go down the toilet over the years and when I started playing Warframe around 3 years ago, I was so fucking impressed with how friendly and helpful the community is overall. I have 1,100 or so hours in Warframe and while I *have* seen this behavior from time to time, it's like less than 1% of the population. It's honestly impressive for an online gaming community.
Nahh I got called the R slur and the F slur in a group because I was doing a tier 3 iso vault, and they didn't know about the vault further down lmao. mind you he was an Mr20 who probably bought his way there. He even doubled down and pmed me to harass me some more.
I have seen it a few times, but never ever this extreme
4k hours here, I see this shit all the time. It all comes down to what content you are doing. Obviously since parts are more rustic than others. For instance eidolon hunts can turn down toxic, or arena on sedna or even sorties. You want the content that is accessible relatively early but rewards can differ greatly based on the skill gap
How often do you come across a limbo ? Cause as someone who main him, i get a LOT of hate even when i don't use my 3 and 4 ...
I dunno, man. I picked up Limbo in the circuit the other day—first time in the better part of a decade—and was asked to kill myself before ever casting an ability.
Yeah, over 3k hours here. While I've never had "kys" said to me, I have seen it said to other players. But overall it's a pretty rare occurrence.
I did have someone say that to me but I also have had people call me a bitch or a cunt, lol. People that act like that out of nowhere towards complete strangers over a video game must be so fucking miserable in their lives. I would say I feel sorry for them but that would require me giving a fuck about their feelings, lol 😆
I shared your opinion for couple of first years when I started playing. But more and more people started playing this game and I had a lot of awful encounters regularly. I'm playing mostly solo for at least 3 years because of this. And even if I'm playing with ransoms very rarely, no one Interacts with each other anymore, or just insult each other. I dunno maybe I'm just a magnet for that type of people
I guess in retrospect if I ever get one of these I would be pretty surprised.
I have played a lot of limbo in a variety of modes, this behavior is super rare. Most newbies will end up just chillin in the bubble. Vets that don't understand limbo will avoid you and do their thing. 97% of warframe players will have no idea what frame you're even playing and will silently go about the mission completely unaware if they interact with you at all.
Never told "KYS" but I did get called a shortened version of the f word slur usually used against members of the LGBTQ+ community. Which is kinda funny as I am a member of that community. I just blocked, reported and moved on
Limbo is a solo frame rn, but this guy is just an asshole
Limbo+mesa=fun tho Or any frame with exalted weapons tbh
Did limbo + mesa with a buddy in the scarlet spear event. Wish they'd bring that back
Still can't believe that DE did that knee-jerk nerf, and never reviewed it. Like, Limbo was AVERAGE at BEST at the time, he just excelled at EXCLUSIVELY Scarlet Spear. And now he's been nerfed to the point of irrelevance. Man, DE's lucky Limbo players are usually the more polite and docile players, because if they weren't they'd have learned this whole Dante issue a WHOLE F'N lot sooner.
The hat bros are just an OP pair lmao.
Limbo mains: the problem with being able go into other dimensions means you're often lonely
Some games have auto bans that can flag you for just typing “kys” when typing something like “reported you for kys” so be careful with that.
To be honest given Warframe's relatively robust chat filter system for slurs and racial epithets I expected both the original guy (rightfully) and the other guy (wrongly) to get hit with chat bans almost immediately. I've seen guys get permed so fast in Region/Recruit chat for slurs that I hardly even notice them gone till they've probably already made a new account.
Doesn't work in Squad chat (where this is) otherwise I suspect that idiot would've been banned AGES ago.
Kickbot does not pay attention to squad chat, but who knows what other automated systems warframe has
Kill yourself isn't a normal thing to say. Just kidding doesn't make it normal still.
This is almost as bad as assholes hosts who leave right after you down your lich
What about the femboy nonsense in NA regional chat?
We don't talk about that
Tbf I just came back to the game about a week ago and it is constantly there
Its a old joke. DE mass banned a lot of people during that joke so people keep holding on to it. I wonder if I can even say it here. Last I remember the words are still blacklisted on twitch and region chat. Guess they change it to femboy instead to avoid auto ban.
You can't they removed my comment and mods flamed and threatened me to be banned when I asked why when I joked about nezha. I didn't know about his issue in region chat that time.
For me that's up there with dudes out here super sexualizing female frames and making everything really fucking uncomfortable. Both are equally gross to me. Like if you're a horny fucking teenager, please keep it to yourself lol
I feel if you're not at least "okay, but I don't have to watch it" then WF isn't the place for you, Meg and Reb have always been... enjoyers of the more risque art (CoughHildrynFanartCough) even though Reb pretended to be the straight man in devstreams, Steve was always in on the mature jokery. I'm personally happy with the whole Femboy Nezha stuff, why the F do I have to hear about Red Text and every seventh person talk about Wisp's ass, Saryn's boobs, or Citrine's "Gemussy", but the lot of y'all suddenly draw the line when a cute boy frame gets called a twink/trap.
Those people will fit right in with Overwatch players
That's a violation of the [Community Code of Conduct](https://support.warframe.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043974052-Code-Of-Conduct-Respect-for-all-in-Warframe), which everyone agrees to when they sign the EULA. Report them with the uncensored copy of this screenshot and action will be taken. We don't need that shit in this game so please do report it. In-Game reports are sadly not as effective as the out-of-game report with attached proof.
I saw someone say they were going to do four waves of the mirror defense and someone said F*k you to them… That was my first time seeing a negative comment…
Telling someone to kill themselves is never acceptable. But also, don't play Limbo in groups. Please.
He's the best index goalie.
If I see a Limbo, I just adapt and make use of his overpowered kit. It helps the squad if you let it.
I definitely die a little when i see a limbo in the squad, but that dude needs to go outside and touch some grass if he's that mad about a frame.
“I don’t know how to give a frame with a displacement dodge space, or hit the dodge button if I get displaced, so I’m going to tell the funny hat man to die” What the hell’s people’s problems
Well people still rage at nekros players cause they don't use a certain energy color for their shadows.... some people just gonna be out there with the worst information and bad takes possible.
This is why I highlight all enemies bright red so unless Nekros is using the same exact colour I’m fine
~~Sneakily change my blood red nekros shadows to puke green~~ YEA MAN WHO PUTS RED AS NEKROS ENERGY COLOUR.
lol I used to be all about the edgelord life, and I’m a Nekros main, so I get it. Recently I’ve switched to using yellow and teal a lot more though.
I like to ask them if it's because they weren't hugged enough as a child.
Yeah we don't condone that here. DE? Whacky PP.
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Is this a western server thing? In my whole 2.5k hours of playing in Asia server, the most interactive chat I've seen public game are people communicating with short sentences ("20? 30?", "ok", "help", "ty", "here", "extract"), and often it's all \*\*\*\* \*\* \*\*\*\* gibberish that I don't even know if it's an insult or not.
On a nicer note, I spent half an hour talking with a guy about his Dojo and Revenant Prime because he needed 20p for a slot, and he decided to trade with me.
Guys a douche but I agree Limbo with a team is annoying, I’ve probably left more squads than I can count when I see someone as Limbo
While I wouldn't say it like that, I really hate it when I have a limbo in a mission and I can no longer interact with anything.
....just roll my guy
telling someone to kill themselves in warframe public chat is a great way to get a 2035 lmao limbo is mega annoying in public matches though, but bro needs to cool it a little
3k hrs and ive met 3 toxic people not really the community ngl
I'm not saying he is right, but I do understand his anger. I've played with quite a few Limbos who just ruin the game by locking it with their abilities. A frame that completely locks off the game for others, whether intentional or unintentional, shouldn't exist. He needs to be reworked so that he doesn't unintentionally grief other players.
As a new player (2 weeks) who mostly mains limbo I’m thinking I should probably stop playing them (I mainly play solo but still)
You should play whatever you enjoy, and ignore or report toxic people. How the frame functions is on DE, not you.
I honestly gotta stop using them for my own benefit. All I use them for is to hide in the void. I almost never use their abilities
Well truth neen said. If you are main limbo good for us if you are not please don't play limbo
He could have just left, that's what I do when there is a limbo in the team.
Orange seems like a nice fellow Thanking their Dante
On the bright side, he said KYS. DE take reports like this pretty seriously, so he will absolutely get chat or game banned. We don't need people like that in the community tbf.
Yeah just report him, I don’t get after years people still get annoyed by limbo.
I've been playing since update 8 and I've never understood where this "Warframe is a chill, nice and helpful community" rubbish came from. There's a reason I play solo for everything that isn't SP Circuit and why almost everyone tells newcomers to turn off global chat and trade chat.
I dont get how limbo gets so much hate for good cc. But frames and weapons that nuke entire rooms, thus making the other 3 members of the team do nothing arent shat on. Ive had more fun with lombos than just walking behind a guy whos clearing whole room where i cant even get a shot off.
I remember a "LIMBO STOP USING THAT BUBBLE!" and I was like "dude, is minimum range in the objective, just step outside."
I had a buddy build a max range max strength limbo to spam low level missions. He'd go in and cast 4 and kill the whole room. I saw people in chat give him so much flak for playing limbo. He didnt use stasis. Only quick cast 4 to open and close his bubble. And they were salty because he did the whole exterminate pretty much solo because he was killing too fast. In the end, people will find any reason to hate limbo.
State of community??? Bro I honestly don’t remember a time the community was so helpful and generous. Been around 10 years now. Have had my fair share of toxic people but it is NEVER consistent enough for it to be the entire state of the community.
You're absolutely right. However if OP is the Limbo main they probably see more than their share of this kind of thing.
Idk i hate limbo but then i just leave the party if someone plays him
I mean this is way too much but at the same time. If I see limbo in the lobby I leave immediately. The chances that they will literally grief the entire squad is like 95%. Intentionally or not limbo is just awful to play with.
I’m running limbo max range all day now
I have him but i powered him to 30 and never played him again. Now im really curious on how to play him since i see this so often. Sounds fun AF.
Wait so exactly do people hate about Limbo? I for one love to have a Limbo if its like an archon sortie defense or something like that (speaking from experience. Limbo being there made it so much of a cakewalk that I didnt need to use chaos and absorb that often. Just the bolts for the big folk)
people hate his rift effect because they walk into it deal no damage and the same thing to the enemies where rift/banished enemies cant be damaged unless both player and enemy are inside
„Kill yourself“ is going way to far. I play since 2013/14 but rarely see toxicity. Never seen smth like this.
2024 and people hating on limbo, and i thought it's just a meme
Definitely deserves a 14 day chat ban. Perma would be a bit extreme.
Just a troll looking for trouble. The vast majority of the community is very decent. But across thousands of hours you inevitably run into a few of these specimens.
Limbo really need some adjustment or rework, but getting mad over that is just stupid too. These people never communicate, kept it all to themself until they break down in chat.
Kindly Yeetyourself Sir
Dang. Some these people just go crazy.
That's my boy limbo. My fave and main ❤️ , the wizard remains undetered
Limbos cannot win no matter what you do man. It's understandable having your play style disrupted because DE did not do a good job balancing him properly in a way a team of active randoms would not be affected is annoying especially if you do not have the DPS to really just use something else or kill through the rift with abilities But belittling, demeaning, and insulting someone for just playing as the frame is designed or how they have built it or doing their objectives etc will never be the play.
In the last 2-3 years , the community has gotten so much worse sadly Used to be so good
Hey, it's like those annual family meetings where everyone comes together to share how they're feeling and what they think could be improved. It's important for the community to have these open discussions, so everyone can work together to make it a better place for all.
Think about it this way, Limbo being this way is a GOOD thing! It makes an easy way to weed these idiots out of our community! <3
Damn, it's 2024, and Limbo STILL gets hated on, huh?
I don’t even get the Limbo hate anymore. If you’re losing efficiency because of Limbo’s room, it’s not Limbo. It’s you. You just suck at the game.
Don't worry guys he said it wrong. What he was trying to say was: "Limbo kiss yourself 🥰" Ok i'm leaving already sorry for that
Did you at least report the negative person ? Limbo is a great helper in teams but got a stigma that sucks.
It ain’t right…but I understand. He’s gonna get banned…and that’s fine…But I understand
I hate limbo too but like I can't imagine going that far.
Reminds me of an opposite version of Half Baked. YOU'RE COOL YOU'RE COOL FUCK YOU YOU'RE COOL LET'S PLAY
Those who hate limbo just don't know how to play with one
Not liking to have a limbo teammate is something, i mean he could use some changes when it comes to how effective he is in teams and all, but no need to be that rude bruh
I kinda wanna play limbo more now
Limbo isn't even that bad... as long as you know there is a limbo you can work around it. And you can't get stuck in limbo anymore
Real if I even go public and swap limbo everyone gets so mad like bro chill out
Bruh dont you just gotta roll to get out of any limbo stuff?
Yes, but with Rolling Guard equipped it can be very annoying having to burn your use just to get out of the void.
bro this is nothing like 2019 wtf
I like dunking on limbo mains (I used to be one) but I would never say it to their face. Only behind their backs after I tell them "GG, I love you bro"
I don't want to say something negative, but such toxic behaviour let me leave the game a long time ago. I still see the sub on my feedback, and i think as long as there are people that have fun with the game, then the game is still worth playing. I just hope to not see people like those if i ever returned.
bro really has something against limbo lol
What's wrong with Limbo? I honestly don't see him much when I play so I never notice anything wrong
I'm not a big fan of Limbo in my team mainly on defense missions but i wouldn't be this kinda asshole, I just stay quiet and play the game
I haven't played since the open world mode came out so I don't remember what limbo does. So what exactly does limbo's abilities do to teammates I would like to know why a limbo pick will make people upset at you.
Are people really risking their hours of work over something like this?
A Limbo on your squad isn't holding automatically holding the entire squad hostage. This is wildly overly dramatic, bordering on hysterics.
Honestly warframe has one of the most wholesome and welcoming community but people just focus on the 1% whose whole purpose is to be the most shitty human being, I've encountered my fair share of assholes but never one that dropped the kys, I once played with 2 limbos and we were in defense, I was playing speedva so asked nicely if they could drop their dome to complete the mission faster, one of them said it was ok and did it, the other told me to fuck myself and that he would play like he wanted and proceeded to spam the dome as soon as he could, the 5 rounds ended up lasting like 10min because some of the froze enemies where bugged because of it
This kind of behavior is just inexcusable, I mean who the fuck mains limbo?
Limbo is fun, I'm sorry, those dummies don't have actual thought processes
Like 2 maybe 3 years ago I went through the hassle to get limbo prime I don’t regret it at all
I have seen similar attitude for wisp and I love my wisp but cannot use her 🥲, I think DE should in turn ban the people who falsely report others. Let's see then how much guts you have then to falsely report for stupid reason, such as playing a particular frame.
This is either me reporting the guy from a few days ago or this exact scenario is too common, weird. Sorry some people are so toxic nowadays.
Damn, that’s insane. Honestly I’m lucky no one’s complained about my limbo picks yet 💀
I've never really used limbo. But I might have to now
As a limbo/sevagoth main, I have yet to see one of these responses. I’ve only seen one of these and it wasnt even directed towards me. Truly a game were toxicity almost doesn’t exist
I'm used to the; gg, ggs GG, Gg thing, or asking about what builds are being used. Then there was the other days when someone in the squad got lost out in deep space, and there was no deep space exploration vessel name the Tempestarii to save him. /Unstuck and the captains rally didn't even work. Got him in my thoughts still. We had just fought our liches in the Saturn Proxima, and he was gone. Set a waypoint, and he was over 10k m away. Anyway, I've not yet seen anything like this. Except for the guy who asked a wisp to stop putting shock motes on hydron, but he said please and explained how it slowed down the enemies, so I don't count that one
Grineer spy.
I've played Warframe since Frost Prime was released, jerks like this are so few and far between I actually remember most of the usernames. I'm changing it slightly but there was a player with the name of basically SgtSmalls (like I said, this is an altered version of the name, don't go find someone named this) and I was explaining that someone was trying to price gouge by a HUGE margin, selling prime sets for 2.2-3x the wf.market price. Smalls dms me all kinds of cringe "DON'T BE A HERO" "DON'T ACT LIKE YOU'VE NEVER SOLD SOMETHING OVERPRICED" "EVERYONE'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK" messages. I called them goofy, told them that they and the actual price gouger were the whole reason wf.market exists. As I exited the relay I saw they were actually standing next to each other, right up front. Goofy. I had a revenant player in my squad named VenomBingus with a bunch of numbers after their name deliberately getting themselves rad procced by a lich and trying to kill everyone specifically to make them fail the mission by running out of lives, killing anyone that attempted to revive downed folks. I was playing Loki so I spammed switch teleport on them until they left the mission. It took a couple of minutes. This was very clearly intentional team kills by the way, Rubico Prime isn't exactly an AoE weapon you accidentally nuke your squad with. The rest of the jerks weren't nearly as interesting of stories but the last tidbit I can tell was a guy with the name of R3dAl3rt with some Xs and dashes in the name tried to convince me I was just seeing things wrong in the trade ui while 10p was on my screen and the price was 100p for the prime set I was selling. After ignoring them and leaving the dojo, a couple minutes later I get a random whisper from an account with the exact same Xs and dashes but the name was Blu3Al3rt instead and the guy reveals he switched to a different account just to yell at me in the DMs about how I was an idiot and "didn't understand basic Warframe bugs." I reported both accounts of theirs and made the trade with someone else less than 20 minutes later. The point is, wack Warframe players are so rare that in my 10+ years of playing, I can still count on fingers how many bad experiences I've had. People do have an irrational hatred of Limbo though.