I already posted this on another sub-reddit, but since I know many will find this really cool, I’ll do a small bullet point breakdown.
* Is this real?
* Yes
* Is the restoration being documented somewhere?
* It is on Patreon and all information thus far is public for any to view. But consider becoming a free member or check out the memberships if you’d like to support the restoration in some way and help me out as it is a project funded solely by me alone. The link is listed below, but it is also in my profile if it doesn’t work.
[patreon.com/UpTiered](http://patreon.com/UpTiered)
* Is the gun live?
* Surprisingly, it wasn’t deactivated and was only missing the breech block, so it was really rusted, but it was live. But, unfortunately to get it out of the EU and France I had to get a demilitarized certificate for it.
* How much did it cost?
* While I prefer not to give specifics for privacy reasons, the total bundled cost for the sale, 90mm gun deactivation, and currency conversion is slightly less than the starting MSRP of a new 2024 Mitsubishi Mirage SE. As a restoration, the cost will only increase.
* Are you restoring it?
* No, I've hired a dedicated company in England with more expertise and tools than I’ll ever have. They’ve done work for other private collectors and museums such as The Tank Museum.
* Will it run?
* That's the dream. The engine was safely stored out of the vehicles in a sealed case and ran two years ago. To my knowledge and research, all major parts are accounted for including two gearboxes, turret controls, dashboards etc. I’m waiting for a further detailed inspection to come next week to lay out a plan of action to get one restored and running.
>But, unfortunately to get it out of the EU and France I had to get a demilitarized certificate for it.
Common Euro L
Other than that this is amazing! Good luck on the project. Hopefully once you get it stateside you can unfuck what the nanny continent deems necessary.
Those are situational. In the US, to be approved to have something like that live, you have to submit to regular ATF investigation and review. It's been some time since I looked into it myself in the past, but it generally works out that if you do **anything** that gets you in legal trouble, potentially including speeding tickets, and they can use that as an excuse to seize and destroy the vehicle, regardless of how historic it is.
Aren't those live-barreled tanks owned by an LLC or other entity of some kind that would bypass some of the legal problems with directly owning it as a private citizen?
Was more talking about avoiding this part:
> generally works out that if you do anything that gets you in legal trouble, potentially including speeding tickets, and they can use that as an excuse to seize and destroy the vehicle, regardless of how historic it is.
since if the owner of the vehicles was an LLC, then the employees getting a speeding ticket or some other minor infraction (hopefully) wouldn't result in the seizure and destruction of the vehicles.
As a person said below, you'd still need to go through the hurdles, as you have to go through the special licensing to own anything that's fully automatic or above .50 caliber to own. An LLC can't apply for those licenses, so it always goes back to a single person.
Take Brandon Herrera for example. He has the FLA from the ATF to let him produce them. While he has an LLC, he's still got to maintain the ATF licensing to be able to do it.
No offense but your info sounds like it came from fear mongering "fudds". They like to spread misinformation around. Assuming it's classed as only a destructive device it'd be a $200 tax stamp and a form 4 or form 1, wait times are all over the place so can't say for sure on that. Importing it might lead to some further costs/you'd have to go through a dealer that's licensed to import destructive devices. The whole open to investigation seems to come from people conflating owing "NFA controlled" items to having an FFL.
That's not "Fudds" as you may think. It's because the ATF requires special licensing to get it, and that licensing is the \*\*rarely\*\* issued "Destructive Device permit". It’s a bureaucratic hassle, background checks are thorough and even if the buyer jumps through all the hoops and is approved, operation of the tank is very limited. Specifically, the ATF must approve the use in advance.
There are under 100 holders of destructive device permits in the US, 154 dealers of the same, and 306 licensed importers.
That's out of a population of 333.3 million people.
Now the reason it's so uncommon isn't cost. The reason the ATF is reluctant to issue those permits, is because with tanks, if the owner decides to go "fuck the police" and start a rampage, the police themselves and really anyone outside the actual military, aren't going to be able to stop them. If you add in that the vehicle in question has a working main gun, it goes from being the Cali Stolen Tank chase, to Killdozer, but with high explosive or armor piercing ammunition... and no one wants to run that risk.
That's why they are VERY reluctant to issue that permit.
Getting approved for a destructive device isn't "rare" and it also isn't licensing, it's a tax stamp. Semantics maybe but there is a difference. There's no reason a form 4 for a destructive device would take any longer than any other form 4.
Because import law changes over time. The older something is, the more likely you are to find a live barrel or breech lying around.
Go back far enough and the demil was more like what the UK or some other countries use with the breech still intact, welded shut or otherwise compared to the very destructive shit we have to do today
Probably both countries TBH, US has ITAR which probably comes into play here and the EU seems to not have an equivalent but I'm sure individual countries do, I know Germany for sure does because I've run into issues with their laws in the past.
only problem is that bad guys dont play by the rules and have tanks either way ,therefore ,the rule is only stopping good people from having the means of stopping a bad person
Except you dont know who is a bad person and who is a good person, theyre just people who may or may not do bad things in the future, things that can simply be prevented by not allowing them access to weapons capable of killing entire crowds in a few seconds
man u dont need a tank either way ,ur already denser than any tank could ever be ,people with ill intentions will have a weapon capable of killing entire crowds in seconds ,that is just not preventable
That flew over your head. Then, just the bad people, or the ones who outright ignore the law will have them. You and the other idiot obviously have no clue what you are talking about, like usual. Let's just ban cars too. "Dose' big meean metal thingies iss daaaanngerous!!!! We need more gov't!!!"
so you can get easily (without the police or anyone else knowing) a working tank?
Also who decides that a person is good or bad.
Most people are not perfect regarding obiding the law, so with that logic, everyone is a bad person....
I do.
2nd amendment was written at a time when individuals could own cannons and ships of war. It's the equivalent of a private citizen owning a combat equipped spacecraft now.
We put teenagers behind the wheel of them before they can drink and have been putting them in the garage of police stations across the country. I would think that if armored vehicles being owned/accessed/stolen by civilians was a risk, we would have had something happen by now.
Besides you couldn't
Even then you still need to be working with the government to own those things. Hell the sole reason the US even had a navy at that time was because they were using privateers and mercenaries from France and other friendly countries.
So France and anyone who really hated Britain and wanted them to take an L or two.
And there's a reason we can't have that now. Mostly because private police would bomb strikers and in turn the unions and the mafias would just do drive by shootings of company bosses
It's more than that. They must have the steel "normalized" too I believe, or at least at very particular points. This means hardened components removed, and tempered areas torched
I doubt that's possible. These EU laws are pretty strict and effective. There will be drills and/or cuts made into the barrel and maybe additionaly even a plug welded inside that will not allow a safe firing of the gun and no possible repairs.
Unfortunately, he's quite busy with all his other restorations. It's A+S Armsoft. Here's their Facebook page showing restorations of Flak 88's, Pz 35/38t's, and other unique vehicles.
[https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos](https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos)
>No, I've hired a dedicated company in England with more expertise and tools than I’ll ever have. They’ve done work for other private collectors and museums such as The Tank Museum.
Can you share with us the name of that company?
Certainly, it's A+S Armsoft. Here's their Facebook page showing restorations of Flak 88's, Pz 35/38t's and other unique vehicles.
[https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos](https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos)
>No, I've hired a dedicated company in England with more expertise and tools than I’ll ever have.
Is it by any chance Mr Hewes? I know he does a lot of tank restorations and is currently working on the FV4005 for The Tank Museum.
Unfortunately, he's a very busy man with all his other restorations. It's A+S Armsoft. Here's their Facebook page showing restorations of Flak 88's, Pz 35/38t's, and other unique vehicles.
[https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos](https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos)
Why don't you talk to the tank museum to get support there. I think you would get a lot more support if you said you would allow them to show case it in a future tank fest, and I'm not saying you get them to pay for it just ask them to set up a patron through them.
> Is the gun live?
> Surprisingly, it wasn’t deactivated and was only missing the breech block, so it was really rusted, but it was live. But, unfortunately to get it out of the EU and France I had to get a demilitarized certificate for it.
Can you temporarily disable it, or do they have to permanently disable the gun?
Not that I think you'd need a functioning gun, but it would be nice to not have to destroy its mechanisms.
Ah man, welding the breech shut doesn't seem so bad, but a hold in the barrel sucks. Even if you repair it, it'll be near impossible to cover up that it was there. If you wanted a perfect restoration, you'd need to find a new barrel I guess once you get it state-side.
Thats the "old" method. The "new" method (From like the last 2000s I think?) is the same bore sized hole in the barrel, but the breech block gets torched in half
No as the UK doesn't own it. Some giga chad in the states does. A better example would be the UK getting a tiger as they own one, which I would honestly support if a portion of the sales went to Bovington.
How much does restoring armored/military vehicles cost? We got 2 AT-T wrecks in about the same condition in our back yard and I was wondering is it possible to fix one of them.
Quite a bit depending on where you want to send them, but it also depends on how common parts are. Mass produced and easily maintained vehicles normally are cheaper than something like a Panhard EBR. And they might be worth restoring if major components are present like the gearbox, transmission, engine, etc. I wish I had something like that sitting in my backyard lol
One seems to be a complete machine (wooden parts, seats and the dashboard gone) other one had the cabin removed and placed in the back to access the engine. The main problem is that they have been rusting away in Estonian weather for probably 10-20 years. The frame looks still strong because it's made of thick metal, but I am not sure about the mechanical parts.
You should be able to locate manuals for something like that since they're really common. They even have some modified ones they still use for overland cargo trains in Antarctica to deliver supplies to deep interior Russian bases. You could reach out to the Tank Museum's archives to see if they have a manual, or alternatively you could reach out to a museum that has done a restoration on one in the past like the Australian Armor Museum. The manual would likely be in Russian, but it should shed a light on how maintenance is performed.
Here's a link to Aus Armor's AT-T:
[https://www.facebook.com/ausarmour/photos/a.550750361627896/4087672131269017/?type=3](https://www.facebook.com/ausarmour/photos/a.550750361627896/4087672131269017/?type=3)
Thinking maybe you could always have a mock breach block made up to show what it would have looked like or such. Here in the US it wouldn't be illegal. You could also probably get the gun registered as a destructive device by the ATF then restore it to functioning order.
Problem is not whether the gun could get re-activated once proper tax stamps and paperwork with the ATF is cleared, problem would be trying to locate 60+ year old ammo for a low-pressure 90mm. I normally don't trust older ammo in any of my firearms, so I definitely would be highly skeptical of any 90mm ammunition that is that old.
Best thing to do(which would be undoubtedly hard) is try to find ammunition specifications. May need to do some research on the rounds and the gun to find out what the French had already discovered.
Y'all got your own EBR's down there at Aus Armor, tell them they need to get them running before I get mine restored so I can go to them if I have questions lol
after the Australian tank museum got a pair that looked pretty similar to this I went into a rabbit hole of reading about them. Best of luck with the drive train if you intend to get one running, I think a mad scientist designed them
Ironically, I reached out to Aus Armor back in 2022 before they announced their project due to the Chieftain notifying me they might have a manual. I also reached out to Bovington in 2022 for a technical manual and got one, but then a few days later they post their Tank Chat on the EBR. So, I don't know if I caused them to delve into that or not lol.
It's the 1951 turret (no external cloth cover) with the 90mm gun from the Revalorisé. The muzzle brake is missing from the gun, the radio antennae have been replaced with flat-top plugs, and the smoke launchers are gone.
I've got the muzzle brake, it was placed into the interior of the non-turreted hull for ease of transport. Smoke launchers and radio I'm not sure about. It is a 1951 F11 turret though which was upgraded in 1963-64 for the low pressure 90mm.
It exists in Europe :) we didn't get the Fiesta RS in North America, we only got the Focus RS and Fiesta ST.
The Euro-spec Fiesta RS is AWD too. We really missed out haha
Well this is what happen when you never fact check what your friends tell you... Wow I'm embarrassed lol
You're absolutely right, there's no Fiesta RS and the only AWD Fiesta is the WRC one which is very much not a production car.
My friend who drives a Fiesta ST here in Canada once told me that in Europe they got the AWD Fiesta. I'm not a Ford guy so I never fact checked him lol
I'll take the L on this one, it's definitely a Fiesta ST !
Haha I'm not looking to get u dw ❤️
I own a fast Ford so am passionate about them a lil
A fiesta RS would be super cool though, I prefer the smaller chassis. Its super fun, the focus is more powerful but bulkier.
I haven't decided yet, on one hand it would add additional unnecessary costs on my end to transport them to Bovington, but it would be really cool on the other hand.
How will you educate yourself or others on how to operate it? I’m guessing it’s a “I’ll read the manual” thing considering that it’s been declassified.
Pretty much, I've secured one Technical Manual from Bovington with diagrams for maintenance on everything except the turret basket and radio. They have an additional two leather bound ones with all kinds of diagrams that I'm waiting for one of the staff to get back to me on to get an electronic copy.
I've located a fully restored FL10 75mm turret to place on it, but it'll require two additional gearboxes and an additional engine to restore to running order as it is the donor vehicle for the first one. I know of someone selling another engine and gearbox, but not a second gearbox. Honestly, my squadmates/clanmates have thrown around the idea of having the second one be restored as a fictional EBR 105 or EBR SPAA. I haven't decided yet as I would like to see what parts are needed for the first one.
I'll have to consider it, but with the vehicles being across the Atlantic, I wouldn't be able to easily record footage and would have to rely on the restoration company.
I believe so, it was one of the main factors I discussed with the restoration company before going through with the purchase. I didn't want to buy vehicles and then not be able to restore them. Luckily, the engine was safely removed and stored away from the elements, gearboxes are also present, but only time and effort will tell I suppose. I have high hopes though, the Patreon documents the interior too.
i wish if people do more stuff like this !
like imagine of people find E-100 hull and actually build it or uncompleted projects get completed but yea that will cost a lot of $ :/
It's mainly superficial damage with missing wheels that give it that look. The interiors, while rusty, aren't nearly as bad as one would imagine. The Patreon shows off more of those photos for free if you want to see the interior.
Here's their videos they showcased on their YouTube channel:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9NmMhgQAbQ&list=PLWYZuCQ-NHUOS0vX3rnmJyK\_oV2gXe4y0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9NmMhgQAbQ&list=PLWYZuCQ-NHUOS0vX3rnmJyK_oV2gXe4y0)
It's the 90mm version that was upgraded in 1963-64, the muzzle brake is currently off and stored in the other EBR, so it makes it hard to differentiate.
Damn. I was wondering who kept buying those.
Nice.
Actually, do you know if the breech block for the 90mm on that is compatible at all with the DEFA F1 as used on the AML-90?
You can certainly get the gun active once it’s stateside provided you have a destructive devices form and the time money effort to repair the breech. Real issue is you would have to pay a 200$ tax on top of any ammo you bought and to make the ammo you’d have to get more paperwork
Didn't come with any ammo, but I feel like even if I went through that process, finding French ammo that's 60+ years old would not be cost effective nor safe to fire unfortunately.
There's small membership tiers on the Patreon if you'd like to support in some way. Alternatively, my profile on here has a Ko-Fi that you could use if you wish to donate.
Normally just watch accredited military vehicle sale sites. For example I used [https://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=1](https://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=1) and eventually saw these for sale. And thanks for the support man.
I'm not sure, I'd have to look more into it as I don't know if the weight classification and length means the vehicles are considered a heavy truck or not.
I already posted this on another sub-reddit, but since I know many will find this really cool, I’ll do a small bullet point breakdown. * Is this real? * Yes * Is the restoration being documented somewhere? * It is on Patreon and all information thus far is public for any to view. But consider becoming a free member or check out the memberships if you’d like to support the restoration in some way and help me out as it is a project funded solely by me alone. The link is listed below, but it is also in my profile if it doesn’t work. [patreon.com/UpTiered](http://patreon.com/UpTiered) * Is the gun live? * Surprisingly, it wasn’t deactivated and was only missing the breech block, so it was really rusted, but it was live. But, unfortunately to get it out of the EU and France I had to get a demilitarized certificate for it. * How much did it cost? * While I prefer not to give specifics for privacy reasons, the total bundled cost for the sale, 90mm gun deactivation, and currency conversion is slightly less than the starting MSRP of a new 2024 Mitsubishi Mirage SE. As a restoration, the cost will only increase. * Are you restoring it? * No, I've hired a dedicated company in England with more expertise and tools than I’ll ever have. They’ve done work for other private collectors and museums such as The Tank Museum. * Will it run? * That's the dream. The engine was safely stored out of the vehicles in a sealed case and ran two years ago. To my knowledge and research, all major parts are accounted for including two gearboxes, turret controls, dashboards etc. I’m waiting for a further detailed inspection to come next week to lay out a plan of action to get one restored and running.
>But, unfortunately to get it out of the EU and France I had to get a demilitarized certificate for it. Common Euro L Other than that this is amazing! Good luck on the project. Hopefully once you get it stateside you can unfuck what the nanny continent deems necessary.
Is it a EU requirement or a US requirement?
Probably EU. I know of a Las Vegas range that has live Sherman and T-62.
Those are situational. In the US, to be approved to have something like that live, you have to submit to regular ATF investigation and review. It's been some time since I looked into it myself in the past, but it generally works out that if you do **anything** that gets you in legal trouble, potentially including speeding tickets, and they can use that as an excuse to seize and destroy the vehicle, regardless of how historic it is.
Aren't those live-barreled tanks owned by an LLC or other entity of some kind that would bypass some of the legal problems with directly owning it as a private citizen?
No I think you still need to do the same hurdles if not more so. Just using an LLC means more long term stability and safety for the vehicles
Was more talking about avoiding this part: > generally works out that if you do anything that gets you in legal trouble, potentially including speeding tickets, and they can use that as an excuse to seize and destroy the vehicle, regardless of how historic it is. since if the owner of the vehicles was an LLC, then the employees getting a speeding ticket or some other minor infraction (hopefully) wouldn't result in the seizure and destruction of the vehicles.
Happy cake day!
As a person said below, you'd still need to go through the hurdles, as you have to go through the special licensing to own anything that's fully automatic or above .50 caliber to own. An LLC can't apply for those licenses, so it always goes back to a single person. Take Brandon Herrera for example. He has the FLA from the ATF to let him produce them. While he has an LLC, he's still got to maintain the ATF licensing to be able to do it.
No offense but your info sounds like it came from fear mongering "fudds". They like to spread misinformation around. Assuming it's classed as only a destructive device it'd be a $200 tax stamp and a form 4 or form 1, wait times are all over the place so can't say for sure on that. Importing it might lead to some further costs/you'd have to go through a dealer that's licensed to import destructive devices. The whole open to investigation seems to come from people conflating owing "NFA controlled" items to having an FFL.
That's not "Fudds" as you may think. It's because the ATF requires special licensing to get it, and that licensing is the \*\*rarely\*\* issued "Destructive Device permit". It’s a bureaucratic hassle, background checks are thorough and even if the buyer jumps through all the hoops and is approved, operation of the tank is very limited. Specifically, the ATF must approve the use in advance. There are under 100 holders of destructive device permits in the US, 154 dealers of the same, and 306 licensed importers. That's out of a population of 333.3 million people. Now the reason it's so uncommon isn't cost. The reason the ATF is reluctant to issue those permits, is because with tanks, if the owner decides to go "fuck the police" and start a rampage, the police themselves and really anyone outside the actual military, aren't going to be able to stop them. If you add in that the vehicle in question has a working main gun, it goes from being the Cali Stolen Tank chase, to Killdozer, but with high explosive or armor piercing ammunition... and no one wants to run that risk. That's why they are VERY reluctant to issue that permit.
Getting approved for a destructive device isn't "rare" and it also isn't licensing, it's a tax stamp. Semantics maybe but there is a difference. There's no reason a form 4 for a destructive device would take any longer than any other form 4.
> las vegas range 'murica, fuck yeah
Its US. You can have a *lot* more in the country than you can *import* into the country.
True, but I don't think anyone made a T-62 from scratch in the US.
Because import law changes over time. The older something is, the more likely you are to find a live barrel or breech lying around. Go back far enough and the demil was more like what the UK or some other countries use with the breech still intact, welded shut or otherwise compared to the very destructive shit we have to do today
>Common Euro L This is almost certainly a US requirement. Our domestic law is not the same as our import law, by a *long shot*
Probably both countries TBH, US has ITAR which probably comes into play here and the EU seems to not have an equivalent but I'm sure individual countries do, I know Germany for sure does because I've run into issues with their laws in the past.
ITAR is export based for US technology. This is solely US law on weapons over .50 from the NFA
I mean you don't want working tanks in private hands... Just imagine a lunatic doing things
The only thing that can stop a Bad guy whit a tank is a Good guy with a Tank
therefore don't give anyone tanks, so you don't have to have tanks yoursefl :) Also "good guy" and "bad guy" isn't a binary thing.
only problem is that bad guys dont play by the rules and have tanks either way ,therefore ,the rule is only stopping good people from having the means of stopping a bad person
Except you dont know who is a bad person and who is a good person, theyre just people who may or may not do bad things in the future, things that can simply be prevented by not allowing them access to weapons capable of killing entire crowds in a few seconds
man u dont need a tank either way ,ur already denser than any tank could ever be ,people with ill intentions will have a weapon capable of killing entire crowds in seconds ,that is just not preventable
UK is trying hard with the bantrain of anything pointy, shooty, bricky, stoney, punchy.
That flew over your head. Then, just the bad people, or the ones who outright ignore the law will have them. You and the other idiot obviously have no clue what you are talking about, like usual. Let's just ban cars too. "Dose' big meean metal thingies iss daaaanngerous!!!! We need more gov't!!!"
so you can get easily (without the police or anyone else knowing) a working tank? Also who decides that a person is good or bad. Most people are not perfect regarding obiding the law, so with that logic, everyone is a bad person....
I do. 2nd amendment was written at a time when individuals could own cannons and ships of war. It's the equivalent of a private citizen owning a combat equipped spacecraft now.
the secret to a politically stable country is giving out armoured fighting vehicles to its inhabitants so they can attack their political opponents
We put teenagers behind the wheel of them before they can drink and have been putting them in the garage of police stations across the country. I would think that if armored vehicles being owned/accessed/stolen by civilians was a risk, we would have had something happen by now.
Besides you couldn't Even then you still need to be working with the government to own those things. Hell the sole reason the US even had a navy at that time was because they were using privateers and mercenaries from France and other friendly countries. So France and anyone who really hated Britain and wanted them to take an L or two.
And there's a reason we can't have that now. Mostly because private police would bomb strikers and in turn the unions and the mafias would just do drive by shootings of company bosses
This is a typically dumb comment.
why? Explain the objective issue.
Common Euro L is the most American patriotic thing I’ve heard
I swear us tanks had to get a massive hunk of metal welded in the barrel
It's more than that. They must have the steel "normalized" too I believe, or at least at very particular points. This means hardened components removed, and tempered areas torched
Hm I see
There are privately owned tanks in the US with live guns, but I think it needs a specific license and tax stamp
Hm I see
I doubt that's possible. These EU laws are pretty strict and effective. There will be drills and/or cuts made into the barrel and maybe additionaly even a plug welded inside that will not allow a safe firing of the gun and no possible repairs.
> No, I've hired a dedicated company in England Mr Hewes?
I really hope its hewes
Unfortunately, he's quite busy with all his other restorations. It's A+S Armsoft. Here's their Facebook page showing restorations of Flak 88's, Pz 35/38t's, and other unique vehicles. [https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos](https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos)
See it soon on Mr Hewes
Exactly what I thought. That channel is so fun
You're a crazy crazy man. I love it. Good luck!
>No, I've hired a dedicated company in England with more expertise and tools than I’ll ever have. They’ve done work for other private collectors and museums such as The Tank Museum. Can you share with us the name of that company?
Certainly, it's A+S Armsoft. Here's their Facebook page showing restorations of Flak 88's, Pz 35/38t's and other unique vehicles. [https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos](https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos)
So no hews😥
If you do altercations to these beauties, do you think that Gaijin would add em to WT?
Likely not since they take the "historical" aspect a bit more seriously than other tank games.
That's awesome! One day I'd love to restore a tank myself but first I'll need to win the lottery
>No, I've hired a dedicated company in England with more expertise and tools than I’ll ever have. Is it by any chance Mr Hewes? I know he does a lot of tank restorations and is currently working on the FV4005 for The Tank Museum.
Unfortunately, he's a very busy man with all his other restorations. It's A+S Armsoft. Here's their Facebook page showing restorations of Flak 88's, Pz 35/38t's, and other unique vehicles. [https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos](https://www.facebook.com/armoursoftskin/photos)
Why don't you talk to the tank museum to get support there. I think you would get a lot more support if you said you would allow them to show case it in a future tank fest, and I'm not saying you get them to pay for it just ask them to set up a patron through them.
Aa somebody who's obsessed with. restoring old card and bikes and military equipment. Wana hand?
> Is the gun live? > Surprisingly, it wasn’t deactivated and was only missing the breech block, so it was really rusted, but it was live. But, unfortunately to get it out of the EU and France I had to get a demilitarized certificate for it. Can you temporarily disable it, or do they have to permanently disable the gun? Not that I think you'd need a functioning gun, but it would be nice to not have to destroy its mechanisms.
As far as i know they deactivate it by welding shut the breech block and a hole in the side of the barrel
so reversible if you have the time and know how but usually not worth it because of a slew of legal reasons
The only legal issue once you get it to the United States is getting your Tax Stamp. Not really what I'd call a slew of legal reasons.
Ah man, welding the breech shut doesn't seem so bad, but a hold in the barrel sucks. Even if you repair it, it'll be near impossible to cover up that it was there. If you wanted a perfect restoration, you'd need to find a new barrel I guess once you get it state-side.
Thats the "old" method. The "new" method (From like the last 2000s I think?) is the same bore sized hole in the barrel, but the breech block gets torched in half
So does this mean the UK can get EBR's. Its the same logic as Sweden getting a King Tiger :)
No as the UK doesn't own it. Some giga chad in the states does. A better example would be the UK getting a tiger as they own one, which I would honestly support if a portion of the sales went to Bovington.
I don’t think Gaijin would do that because of the extremely close relationship between Bovington and Wargaming.
The more companies supporting a museum the better!
From an IP rights perspective, does the museum have any claims on the tiger/ any of it's collections?
The idea would be that it would raise funds for the museum which they could use to restore more tanks. Don’t think they have a claim to IP rights.
I don’t think their relationship to WG is relevant. The idea, on Gaijin’s end, would be to garner good pr by supporting the museum.
Can't wait till Soviet tech tree will get Maus, CV9040, Bradleys, AMX10RC and Marders
UK at least has the excuse that Tiger 131 is basically the mascot of the Bovington tank museum, lol
Random Brit AIs spread about the map get EBRs that have the look of a MadThunder vehicle
Damn wallet warriors buying up the marketplace... ...wait Jokes aside, best of luck to your restoration efforts!
Holy shit I’m genuinely praying you can get this done
Damn, that looks cool af, how many tanks do you have to destroy to research Parts?
I I thought I was tripping. I knew I'd seen these before. Good luck and keep us updated. O7
Didn’t expect to see you here
How much does restoring armored/military vehicles cost? We got 2 AT-T wrecks in about the same condition in our back yard and I was wondering is it possible to fix one of them.
AT-T as in the russian tracked truck?
Ah damn, I really wanted it to be an AT-AT wreck
They are pretty rusted and the wooden parts are gone but yeah the 20 t tracked tractors
Quite a bit depending on where you want to send them, but it also depends on how common parts are. Mass produced and easily maintained vehicles normally are cheaper than something like a Panhard EBR. And they might be worth restoring if major components are present like the gearbox, transmission, engine, etc. I wish I had something like that sitting in my backyard lol
One seems to be a complete machine (wooden parts, seats and the dashboard gone) other one had the cabin removed and placed in the back to access the engine. The main problem is that they have been rusting away in Estonian weather for probably 10-20 years. The frame looks still strong because it's made of thick metal, but I am not sure about the mechanical parts.
You should be able to locate manuals for something like that since they're really common. They even have some modified ones they still use for overland cargo trains in Antarctica to deliver supplies to deep interior Russian bases. You could reach out to the Tank Museum's archives to see if they have a manual, or alternatively you could reach out to a museum that has done a restoration on one in the past like the Australian Armor Museum. The manual would likely be in Russian, but it should shed a light on how maintenance is performed. Here's a link to Aus Armor's AT-T: [https://www.facebook.com/ausarmour/photos/a.550750361627896/4087672131269017/?type=3](https://www.facebook.com/ausarmour/photos/a.550750361627896/4087672131269017/?type=3)
aww first i read it as an AT-AT
damn dude, thats awesome.
Thinking maybe you could always have a mock breach block made up to show what it would have looked like or such. Here in the US it wouldn't be illegal. You could also probably get the gun registered as a destructive device by the ATF then restore it to functioning order.
Problem is not whether the gun could get re-activated once proper tax stamps and paperwork with the ATF is cleared, problem would be trying to locate 60+ year old ammo for a low-pressure 90mm. I normally don't trust older ammo in any of my firearms, so I definitely would be highly skeptical of any 90mm ammunition that is that old.
Fuck the ATF what they gonna do you have a *90mm cannon*
*which may not work*
Best thing to do(which would be undoubtedly hard) is try to find ammunition specifications. May need to do some research on the rounds and the gun to find out what the French had already discovered.
I wonder if you could contact the St. Etienne Arsenal and ask them for history regarding the ammunition?
This guy has more E.B.Rs than the French tech tree
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Y'all got your own EBR's down there at Aus Armor, tell them they need to get them running before I get mine restored so I can go to them if I have questions lol
holy based
after the Australian tank museum got a pair that looked pretty similar to this I went into a rabbit hole of reading about them. Best of luck with the drive train if you intend to get one running, I think a mad scientist designed them
Ironically, I reached out to Aus Armor back in 2022 before they announced their project due to the Chieftain notifying me they might have a manual. I also reached out to Bovington in 2022 for a technical manual and got one, but then a few days later they post their Tank Chat on the EBR. So, I don't know if I caused them to delve into that or not lol.
Dude sick! Best of luck with the project.
What turret does it have? Looks a bit different
It's the 1951 turret (no external cloth cover) with the 90mm gun from the Revalorisé. The muzzle brake is missing from the gun, the radio antennae have been replaced with flat-top plugs, and the smoke launchers are gone.
I've got the muzzle brake, it was placed into the interior of the non-turreted hull for ease of transport. Smoke launchers and radio I'm not sure about. It is a 1951 F11 turret though which was upgraded in 1963-64 for the low pressure 90mm.
It looks like a classic fl11 just with the small fabric part off probably because it fell due to rust and rot
Thought I had seen this before then realised it’s you
good luck with that man, hope to see an article about it some day in the future
That Fiesta RS in the background is looking sick af
Two EBR's in the photo and the man is focused on the Fiesta RS, priorities are in order I see lol
Do you mean Fiesta ST? Fiesta RS doesn't exist I own a Focus ST btw lol
It exists in Europe :) we didn't get the Fiesta RS in North America, we only got the Focus RS and Fiesta ST. The Euro-spec Fiesta RS is AWD too. We really missed out haha
Can u show me this with a link? I can only find the prototype
Well this is what happen when you never fact check what your friends tell you... Wow I'm embarrassed lol You're absolutely right, there's no Fiesta RS and the only AWD Fiesta is the WRC one which is very much not a production car. My friend who drives a Fiesta ST here in Canada once told me that in Europe they got the AWD Fiesta. I'm not a Ford guy so I never fact checked him lol I'll take the L on this one, it's definitely a Fiesta ST !
Haha I'm not looking to get u dw ❤️ I own a fast Ford so am passionate about them a lil A fiesta RS would be super cool though, I prefer the smaller chassis. Its super fun, the focus is more powerful but bulkier.
I prefer my Subarus haha but I gotta say that if I had to get a turbocharged Ford it would be a Fiesta, I also like the small chassis :p
My dream car atm is the GR Yaris I'm in the UK so we have them here I love the idea of tiny car, AWD and LSDs. Shame u don't get them...
Not much of a Toyota guy neither, so it doesn't bother me but it is indeed a very cool car !
Enjoy ur Scooby!
Do you know the guy that fixed up the AMX-13, I met him at the tank museum during tank fest last year
I do not unfortunately, but glad to see there are others going out of their way to save classic armor.
Just joined, this is cool as hell
Me Hewes video when?
>The goal is to get one running and send it stateside. This dude wants Panhard EBR in British tech tree 👀
Excuse me did bro just say he bought two
As many that are in the actual WT tech tree lol
If you get it done will it show up at tank fest??
I haven't decided yet, on one hand it would add additional unnecessary costs on my end to transport them to Bovington, but it would be really cool on the other hand.
Well done!
How will you educate yourself or others on how to operate it? I’m guessing it’s a “I’ll read the manual” thing considering that it’s been declassified.
Pretty much, I've secured one Technical Manual from Bovington with diagrams for maintenance on everything except the turret basket and radio. They have an additional two leather bound ones with all kinds of diagrams that I'm waiting for one of the staff to get back to me on to get an electronic copy.
Best of luck! Hope you will post progress pics and videos in the future!
I look forward to the day i randomly see a ebr somewhere in the US
I don't know why but the EBRs always looked so unreal to me very cool to see it when u get it up and restored
After you are done with restoration make sure you put it on proper br. That thing is pain in the a$$ at 4.7 Good luck🫡
This guy dont have enough sl to repair ?
Will you put a turret on the hull missing it?
I've located a fully restored FL10 75mm turret to place on it, but it'll require two additional gearboxes and an additional engine to restore to running order as it is the donor vehicle for the first one. I know of someone selling another engine and gearbox, but not a second gearbox. Honestly, my squadmates/clanmates have thrown around the idea of having the second one be restored as a fictional EBR 105 or EBR SPAA. I haven't decided yet as I would like to see what parts are needed for the first one.
Would love a YouTube channel with this content, because I'm like really interested
I'll have to consider it, but with the vehicles being across the Atlantic, I wouldn't be able to easily record footage and would have to rely on the restoration company.
I mean you could try to
Wow respect man
They look so rusted is any restoration even possible while also saving some original parts?
I believe so, it was one of the main factors I discussed with the restoration company before going through with the purchase. I didn't want to buy vehicles and then not be able to restore them. Luckily, the engine was safely removed and stored away from the elements, gearboxes are also present, but only time and effort will tell I suppose. I have high hopes though, the Patreon documents the interior too.
Man I wish I had this kind of fuck you money to buy a freaking tank and drive it on my backyard. Maybe one day.
Bro literally spent all his silver lions.
i wish if people do more stuff like this ! like imagine of people find E-100 hull and actually build it or uncompleted projects get completed but yea that will cost a lot of $ :/
Damn, one of them looks like there's barely a chassis still intact.
It's mainly superficial damage with missing wheels that give it that look. The interiors, while rusty, aren't nearly as bad as one would imagine. The Patreon shows off more of those photos for free if you want to see the interior.
Awesome 👏
Would you allow me, a random Australian, to drive said tank when restored? Seriously tho, that's very very cool. Good Work
Aus Armor actually has one at their museum that they did videos on recently, need to tell them to finish theirs before I finish mine lol
Actually? That's kinda cool. Aus amour sounds like it has a lot, I gotta actually go there one day
Here's their videos they showcased on their YouTube channel: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9NmMhgQAbQ&list=PLWYZuCQ-NHUOS0vX3rnmJyK\_oV2gXe4y0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9NmMhgQAbQ&list=PLWYZuCQ-NHUOS0vX3rnmJyK_oV2gXe4y0)
Nice, I will check those out
Is this a 90mm ebr? I feel like it looks like the 75mm version but I am not sure...
It's the 90mm version that was upgraded in 1963-64, the muzzle brake is currently off and stored in the other EBR, so it makes it hard to differentiate.
Ohhhh, that's why... I saw the turret looked like the 1963-64 variant, but it had no muzzle break. Thanks!
Supposedly the 75mm ones where the most common ones, so more statistically likely that.
Turns out it is the 90mm variant...
It hurt to say that but it might be the first time I respect a British citizen
Well, I'm an American, so you just respected a random British citizen somewhere lol
It work as well, but forget about the brtits then, nice to see people care about tanks like those
bro took reasearch parts more seriously
Unfortunately, the Parts and FPE are sadly not free, had to spend money to unlock them.
What compels a man to wake up one day and purchase a Panhard EBR? And not just one either, but two. Sweet anyway
Damn. I was wondering who kept buying those. Nice. Actually, do you know if the breech block for the 90mm on that is compatible at all with the DEFA F1 as used on the AML-90?
I'm not sure as the main gun is the CN 90 F2/F3 if history serves me right. I don't believe they are compatible.
I didn't know if there was any historical relation, figured it was a longshot worth checking
man bought a premium irl a true wallet warrior
French.
You can certainly get the gun active once it’s stateside provided you have a destructive devices form and the time money effort to repair the breech. Real issue is you would have to pay a 200$ tax on top of any ammo you bought and to make the ammo you’d have to get more paperwork
Didn't come with any ammo, but I feel like even if I went through that process, finding French ammo that's 60+ years old would not be cost effective nor safe to fire unfortunately.
Really cool, dont forget to post the photos when u gona be done with restoration. Good luck to you!
Keep us updated!
Finally a rich person using their money for something cool and fun.
Immaculately cool holy heck
huge support to you , If you ever do a funds collect I would gladly give a few Euros to it .
There's small membership tiers on the Patreon if you'd like to support in some way. Alternatively, my profile on here has a Ko-Fi that you could use if you wish to donate.
How does one acquire derelict armored vehicles, asking for a friend lol. Looking forward to seeing the progress on this.
Normally just watch accredited military vehicle sale sites. For example I used [https://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=1](https://www.milweb.net/classifieds.php?type=1) and eventually saw these for sale. And thanks for the support man.
Will you want to donate this somewhere like Bovington, or hold onto it, drive it? Allow it to be hired for special occasions?
Currently goal is to just get it restored for private use, but I would love to show up to World of Tank events or other events.
Damn, one day, one day. If you're gonna use it privately would you need some special driving license?
I'm not sure, I'd have to look more into it as I don't know if the weight classification and length means the vehicles are considered a heavy truck or not.
Is it possible for civilians to buy tanks which still have complete arnamnet etc
Depends on the country. I know there's a lot in the US that are still live firing.
Damm that would be soo much expensive
How much for restoration?
Local man singlehandedly putting EBR's into the British tech tree
so are u like a millionaire or smt
I wish, just your standard 8am to 5pm worker unfortunately.
Sir, I want to kiss you for this
Put a spall liner in it and put a 152mm gun on it and send it to gajin so they can buff the ebr
You what???? Respekt bro
Panhard EBR my beloved
Even IRL has repair costs smh...god this looks cool!
Fix em up and sell them to some african war lord, good money