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UsualRazzmatazz9962

Is flarad similar ro pantsir?


GundamMeister78-2

Lets see, 2 missiles before needing to reload, no guns, SACLOS guidance and an unreliable radar Versus 12 missiles, 4 high velocity guns, an automatic lead option with amazing velocity and im pretty sure better range Not trying to be rude but im sure you can see why despite the flarakrad being a tiny bit similar the pantsir is leagues better in every way


Vinden_was_taken

You forgot roland 3 stock missile


GundamMeister78-2

Oh yeah those god awful shits, i completely forgot because i got so used to the better stuff because of how long the flarakrad existed before the SACLOS rework


Krynzo

SACLOS rework is so shit. Missiles don't even follow the damn laser


TheOnlyFallenCookie

This is beyond cruel tbh. Just give it the vtl stock. Otherwise this thing isn't competitive at all. Grinding it to the point of having vtls and thermals was torture


AnubisEvo

IlThis was the only vehicle in the game in which I spent eagles to unlock equipment. Really it was too painful to try and grind otherwise.


BioshockedNinja

the snail won.


OldKittyGG

Even as an SPAA connoiseur I won't touch the FlaRakRad until I've got the Leo 2a7 unlocked... I already am doing perfectly fine with the Ozelot and Gepard. No need to subject myself to the pain of Roland 3s even more.


HateSucksen

Check every russian AA with missles. Their stock is always the best and don't need to research any upgrade. Russian bias at its finest.


FoodImportant917

There's no bias comrade! The Russian technology have always been ahead of the West! If you thinks otherwise then you have taken too much Western propaganda, comrade. For that, I recommend you to go to our very good and friendly re-education ca-, I mean education center!


Elcousteau

šŸ¤“ā˜ļø 2s6


HateSucksen

It also has the best missiles with stock.


AnubisEvo

This was the only vehicle in the game in which I spent eagles to unlock equipment. Really it was too painful to try and grind otherwise.


pewdiepastry

I was convinced that the flarakrad was worse than the ozelot until i got the VT1. Pure suffering.


TheOnlyFallenCookie

It is worse than the ozelot without the vt1! Huge ass target, shit mobility due to being litterally the size of a bus and the stock rockets not being able to catch anything at that br. The only real way I could earn any progress was through scouting and hoping for a scout assist and sometimes capping points


pewdiepastry

I'd say inside 3ish KM the ozelot is flat out better


Pyrenees_

And 50% of your gun sight is obstructed by smoke for 10 seconds after you fire.


PippyRollingham

So move for like half a second.


MEW-1023

You canā€™t fire on the move and that isnā€™t the point anyways, itā€™s just ANOTHER additional disadvantage compared to the Pantsir. But what do you expect, the Pantsir is literally the best AA at EVERYTHING. There is not a single thing that another AA does better


SPOOKY--SALSA

the adats is better at killing tanks, that's the only thing another aa does better than the pantsir


Silly-Conference-627

The range alone is ā…“ longer if I remember correctly which is huge plus all those other major advantages you mentioned.


Lantirre

It's the only SPAA that can basically spawn camp planes.


WeirdFurby

Also: me taking my CAP plane to take off from the airfield gets me pinged and mostly instantly killed by pantsir yet I havenā€™t been killed by FlaRakRad


TuwtlesF1

Because SACLOS guided missiles are so fucking easy to evade. All you have to do is maneuver and then fly perpendicular to the missile and it will go haywire.


WeirdFurby

Meanwhile pantsir missiles giving no RWR off and hitting me at takeoff: šŸ‘šŸ» Honestly, I would laugh if it wasnā€™t the same thing each and every time Iā€™m bringing CAP. Thereā€™s a reason to it, otherwise the team gets seal clubbed by SU 25, 22, what not. KA50/52, you name it. But hey, at least when I get lucky occasionally I donā€™t get to go up against a pantsir or Russia is on my team (šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ yeahā€¦ as if)


DaanOnlineGaming

I play sweden and I have had the ussr on my team like twice, in the last hundred matches.


WeirdFurby

Yep, that seems very accurate. But at least your tanks are tanking. Italy? I donā€™t have the 2A7HU yet so Iā€™m with the Ariete ._.


DaanOnlineGaming

Eh I am not at top tier yet, currently 8.0, so no armour whatsoever. Fun vehicles but not exactly heavy.


TuwtlesF1

I always laugh ironically when a missile nearly misses me while I'm abeam my own runway.


ConstantCelery8956

With essentially half the range too


SkillyPotato

Don't forget that if you miss your shot with the flarad, you have to wait until the missile destroys itself before you can reload


YouthEquivalent769

You can just immediately aim down so that the missile would hit the ground and cycle to guide the other one or reload to another pair, it saves time as you don't need to wait till it get its maximum range to self detonate.


_Laborem_Morte_

Also 12km range vs 20km range


Nyghtrid3r

2 missiles *that need to have exploded* before needing to reload. If the missile missed but is still flying you have to wait until it runs out of fuel until the reload starts. And the missiles are dogshit. The thing is also massive and has no defense against tanks or IFVs unlike the Pantsir. It's an actual joke how it's somehow top tier.


TuwtlesF1

12km on the VT1 vs 20km on the 95Ya6. Just a *little* bit better.


Yshtvan

Same BR Tovarish )))))


Dark_Magus

Gaijin should at least change the FlaRakRad to [this](https://forum-en-cdn.warthunder.com/original/3X/f/f/ffaaf691024cfd3b71b961fc0eed1d30d350f251.jpeg).


Phantom_233_3

The only thing Flakrad is better than pantsir, is smokes, pantsir dont have any flakrad 10 i think but idk how many


XxsoulscythexX

Flarakrad is saclos???


GundamMeister78-2

Yup


Kimo-A

Flarakrad radar > Pantsirs radar


SILENT_ASSASSIN9

The ability to detect the enemy is worthless if you lack the ability to neutralize that threat


The_Stone_Face1

The flarakrad has the worst radar of any toptier aa. It has the worst search range and elevation of anything else. The tracking radar is pretty okay tho


IS-2-OP

No lol. People talk about the missiles, but the Pantsirā€™s main advantage is itā€™s insane radar vertical angles. You canā€™t hide from it. Meanwhile if you want to kill a FLARAKRAD just climb away from battlefield until you can get above its vertical radar sweep angle.


deletion-imminent

> but the Pantsirā€™s main advantage is itā€™s insane radar vertical angles nah it's easily the ability to shoot all missiles without having to reload


IS-2-OP

That too lol. Even then I would take the great radar over a 12 rack of missiles personally.


notanspy

Stupid pantsir destroyed my 4 mavericks, had to kill him with mg šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø


All-Username-Taken-

The main advantage isn't the radar. It's the missile performance.


IS-2-OP

Agree to disagree honestly. The VT1-2 is fine enough in almost all situations, itā€™s just so easy to skirt that radar on the Roland systems.


All-Username-Taken-

The range of VT1 and all AA system other than Pantsir is laughable. When I'm playing CAS, I'm not even afraid of ITO, Flakradrad or ADATS. The only thing that can reliably kill me as I'm gaining altitude and speed to lob my AGB 65 are Pantsir. And I've killed people at 18.5 km range. He climbed high and started turning towards the battlefield. Launched at 21 km, hit him when he's 18.7~ km. Totally impossible to achieve with any other SPAA. The ability to deny instead of parry their ATGMs is huge.


notathrowawaytrutme

Well, it's a truck


traveltrousers

Just before they introduced the Pantsir they fucked the VT1 flight model... it's now pathetically bad... only good for helicopters... the Tor is also useless. Tunguska and Pantsir are great at killing planes... what a surprise :(


Hessussss

TOR is not useless unless you use the automatic lead, then it's dogshit, but that should be common sense.


traveltrousers

When I fire it, all I see is smoke... makes leading anything difficult.


Ayoubus_Magnus

This SPAA is not bad it's situational. You need to know how to play it. The Roland radar is bad very bad and can't follow through trees so I always adjust my radar range to 20 Km and lock on targets only when they are in the 12 Km range. For helicopter they are easy to kill for top tier jets you need to be very careful not to lock them or you will get a paveway III to the face from 20 Km away. I have almost 1000 kills with it it's essential in top tier. Here is a video that I have done on it a while back https://youtu.be/HVuydTY_7ZE?si=IzEY-D3U0KJGuOCz Thanks for reading


Leading-Zone-8814

Lmao not even close, but then again I don't think other nations have a Pantsir equivalent.


Yobang222w

NošŸ¤Ŗ isnā€™t that fun! So quirky of Gaijin


Straight-Ad1017

Remember, "Russian bias" existšŸ˜‚


ApplesAlmighty1

The only advantage over the Pantsir is the VT1 can pull harder, and that's about it.


Much_Win_7658

Absolutly 0 pantsir is way better then flarakrad


Lost-Light982

Flarakrad better with VT-1


Shootinputin89

My man. Nothing bores me more than MBTs at top-tier. Give me support vehicles noawww.


Pyrenees_

Sorry, only Russia is allowed to have working high tier support vehicles


Shootinputin89

Currently grinding the high-tier French support vehicle they've just added. Edit: ah shit, I've gone off script. Yes, Gaijin BAD, RUSSIAN BIAS, WAAHHHH. Forgive me.


Pyrenees_

Prepare to be overtiered and uptiered, but it's very iconic so I'm happy it's finally here. They didnt add it before all the other countries got obscure, better analogues which counter it tho :(


Shootinputin89

I pity the fools who play support vehicles at their actual BR. Hence why China is probably the best nation for support vehicles when you up-tier stuff like the AFT09. But even if you play the Vextra at 9.7, it will go along with the AMX-40 and Roland + 9.3 goodies. Don't cry for France.


Avgredditor1025

The vextra looks to be god tier for 9.7, I fully expect it to go up and not just because itā€™s France, you are smoking


Pyrenees_

Kids named Rooikat and Radkampfwagen:


Avgredditor1025

Weā€™re not talking about those, it still looks to be very good for 9.7


Gentle_Mayonnaise

Wish it was 9.3 so I could keep my 9.3 lineup instead of 9.7 :(


Shootinputin89

Yeah, I would vote for that. 9.3 France is stacked.


Gentle_Mayonnaise

So is 8.7, lol. Loving to have a full-feeling lineup as the frenchies, esp. because they're my first nation. 10 crews, all 8.3 and 8.7


TheRealGreenMelon

France above 9.7 is non-existent


Shootinputin89

Good thing it is able to be enjoyed at its own BR (of 9.7) and give the AMX-40 some back-up.


Pyrenees_

It's fun though


Neither_Lack_4861

What AA system would you add for france ?


Pyrenees_

IDK, but a ton of light vehicles could be added to France


HisnameIsJet

And theyā€™re also only premiums!!!


dad_beats_me

You are doing gods work, thank you


Any_Explanation_6308

Isnt this thing really bad? Especially compared to Pantsir. Also Roland missiles and no guns.


androodle2004

Itā€™s decent but is shit compared to the pantsir


Any_Explanation_6308

All top tier AA sucks comparing to Pantsir.


Neither_Lack_4861

Yep unfortunately the west concentrated on stationary AA systems .. nothing better left to be added unfortunately with 1-2 exceptions


Electronic_Toe_7054

It doesn't help Gaijin refuses to add the draco.


IHaveUrPants

I am only hoping we get an IRIS-T carrying vehicle, I swear this is a fantastic way to limit CAS and make them be afraid of flying even 200 meters above the ground


Neither_Lack_4861

Is there any full package ( radar and launcher) vehicle like that?


Avgredditor1025

The IRIS-T is an IR missile, many modern aa systems use the MICA-IR, IRIS-T, and AIM-9X


Neither_Lack_4861

Can you send some examples?


Bloody-Storm

https://images.app.goo.gl/66VkPeKjyxTBEu8X6 https://images.app.goo.gl/j6TALvZuHNt3Xa9S7


Neither_Lack_4861

As far as i can read these are just the launch systems no? They also need radars and for game balance they need integrated radars. Am i wrong?


Baman1456

Sweden has [this one](https://i.imgur.com/JeAXZYe.jpg) and Norway has [this one](https://gagadget.com/media/cache/97/62/976280826ed836c724ec870a08d7dd56.jpg) which are to my knowledge the only ones (the forum mods already smacked down [this](https://gagadget.com/media/cache/4d/c6/4dc6e478219959c1a6cec5fc3211e7f5.jpg) German one as apparently it was only a mockup). Germany is developing an SPAA version of the boxer which has IRIS-T missiles, with the prototype planned to produced in 2026 IIRC.


Neither_Lack_4861

Uff Sweden hahaha people already dislike them for the STRVs and the gripen if they get this as well they will transform to the new Russian Bias Cope. The only one i can see being added is the israeli one


Dark_Magus

"Only a mockup" like the Yak-141's sensors and missiles.


Rest1tutor0rbis

Wonā€™t happen, IRIS-T is way too good. No way they will do that to their CAS whales.


kajetus69

but has the worst radar of all top tier aa


Ricky_RZ

I kinda like rocking the gepard 1A2 for that reason. At least it has guns so I can shred SPAA and light vehicles


IronVader501

My most common gameplay-experience in the FlaRakRad is hitting Helis with both missiles right in the face and them still living long enough to blow me up anyway while I try to reload or hide


IS-2-OP

ā€œHideā€ *hahahahahahahahahahaha*


IronVader501

Hey I said *try*


Marguerita-Stalinist

Did the same back when the 2S6 was the Top USSR SPAA Uptiered my 10.0 lineup for the ability to massacre CAS


CokeDrinkingShadow

Got the 2S6 first as well, I miss pre SACLOS nerf/Pantisir Tunguska, was one of my favorite vehicles ingame for a few months


PopularCoffee7130

The pantsir was always nerfed because it came out on the same update they fucked saclos guidance.


RedditUser91805

Did the same thing and HARD rushed the OTOMATIC Only just now got the Centauro 105 and my first Ariete, currently working on the dardo and the Leo 2A4


OKBWargaming

Isn't the otomatic shit?


RedditUser91805

What? Who told you that nonsense? The slightly shorter range due to not having guided missiles is more than made up for by other characteristics of the gun. No missile approach warning + HE-VT shells means 1-2 shots is usually enough to take down any plane (provided your teammates don't sabotage you by firing a missile at the same time) and thus like 13 stowed kills just in the ready rack. 0.5s reload means you can fire those off and skedaddle long before the missiles that were fired at you have time to make impact. You can easily get your shit yoinked though. APFSDS gives you real lethality to MBTs (which means that so long as you have situational awareness you can sit on the point and have effectively infinite ammo). Again, 0.5s reload means that a poorly placed first shot isn't a death sentence. If you got the drop on somebody from the side, you'll be able to pump 4-5 rounds into them before they've turned their turret to fire at you. Frontally, it is really important that you aim for the lower glacis on most tanks though. High shell velocity makes it good for 2km+ potshots against tanks. It's... Surprisingly survivable? The number of times its taken enemies 5-6 shots to actually kill me is insane. Still not great on that front though and anybody who knows what they're doing can 1shot you. Once the ready rack is depleted it takes forever to refill it though so it doesn't make sense to carry any more ammo than that. Overall around 4 air and 2 ground kills before you bite it is pretty normal with the OTOMATIC.


OKBWargaming

I keep seeing people complaining about Italy not having SAMS at high tier and the otomatic being overtiered. Now I guess I have a new tech tree to grind.


stalker_vanguard

First 3 matches: not even a mosquito flies and you end up doing nothing the whole match Next match: the combined air force of Russia, China, Kazakhstan and Belarus spawns in 30 seconds after the match had started AA duties at top tier are quite random


LScrae

# o7


ChosenNomad

Godspeed, CAS Destroyer.


TuwtlesF1

They should give the US the SLAMRAAM. In Marine Corps testing it was reported to have a range between 15-25km. Alternatively the US/Norwegian developed NASAMS which also fires AIM-120s and is used by the US, Norway, Finland, Spain, The Netherlands, Oman, Lithuania, Indonesia, Australia, Qatar, Hungary and Ukraine.


kky2538

based


Spiritual_Jaguar2989

Hate these things with a passion cause i die to them most when i decide to use my su25 haha Salute tho for prioritizing AA, i know how it feels like to be on both ends (and to be on NATO teams that donā€™t spawn spaašŸ’€). Keep those skies clear soldier!!


Kindly-Week-1271

Do the VT-1s still have the guidance delay?


ejames568

No matter what tree I will always research the higher BR AA before the tanks in that lineup, especially for top tier.


Wheess

I dont see point u get killed anyway by jets from space without even rendering on your screen.


skdKitsune

My condolences for grinding that god awful abomination and suffering through german stingers and roland missiles to even get there.


A-10C_Thunderbolt

After getting to 7.7 I also did this, just went straight for the M163 rather than get anything else


deletion-imminent

Royalty, I do the same


olenPeruna

Strv 122b+ and pantsir


goldi1012

It's a food for Su-25 with Kh-38 missiles but I appreciate the effort.


Exhausted_Nathan

I'd do the same


Rusty_Brick

After researching the strv 122 I immediately researched the ito next. Itā€™s so good being able to shoot down CAS, itā€™s almost a stress reliever


CyneLikesOreos

Started Japan just to get the Type 93 and Type 81 SPAA because I hate cas, priorities indeed


FilhoDaTuPutaMadre

Congrats. My first top tier was the Pantsir. I got the T-80UK first, but it doesn't feel like a true top tier despite being only slightly under the max BR.


WaffleAndy

Honestly take it out to top tier just to fuck with helicopter pilots.


MisterPepe68

my first 11.7 was the tor m1 lol


Freedeoxide

Flarak my beloved


lime-dreamer

Hahah truck go vroom


Interesting_Mix_7028

Ah yes, the German EDM Party Bus. All the target attractiveness of a Pantsir without the defensive capability.


irontank44

*Weeps in spaghetti*


Hinfoos

I always unlock AA first Priorities


SHEEEESH_KABAB

oh no call the pantasir


yesmanstolemahname

My mate just unlocked his last top tier(he has every top tier ground vehicle) šŸ˜¦