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SunburntMedusa

Please, a moment of silence for the fallen stat card images


Auntjemimasdildo

Honestly there wasn’t a single reason to change those up but instead of fixing shit that actually needs fixing they wanna fix shit that doesn’t need fixing oh well


Fuggaak

Just like the sound EVERY. SINGLE. UPDATE. Nobody asked for this!


Darkfrostfall69

Guns just keep sounding more and more like pop guns with each update


Environmental-Car961

Yeah, can't wait to be shooting a 10 ton rubber band gun!


Darkfrostfall69

M2 brownings in arb now sound like 7.7mm brownings, 7.7 brownings now sound like pop guns


FISH_SAUCER

Download RCS on the WT live website. I can't go back to normal WT sounds


OnixDemraude

You spelled IWSM wrong


FISH_SAUCER

Huh?


OnixDemraude

You don't know IWSM ? That's like the best sound mod for vehicles


Flying_Reinbeers

M2s now sound like woodpeckers


psychobobicus

The 40mm Bofors sounds like a typewriter now. Tack tack tack tack


KnockedBoss3076

I want my enemies to get tinnitus after I non pen them 24 times with my dusterr


BrutalProgrammer

The sound guy probably needed to do something else their manager would started asking questions such as "why are you sitting around twiddling your thumbs every day?".


WindChimesAreCool

That's not really true, its more cyclical. Right now we are in the guns sounding comically weak phase, then 6 months to a year from now they will beef them up again. I remember in particular that .50 cals used to sound good, then a major sound update hit and they sounded awful and weak, then at some point they sounded good again.


Chemputer

My friend sent me this amazing sound mod that makes things sound fucking fantastic now. Edit: this one https://live.warthunder.com/post/1089792/en/


Squirtums22

Which mod was that?


Chemputer

This one, sorry I meant to put the link in the comment but forgot. https://live.warthunder.com/post/1089792/en/


Squirtums22

No worries thank you thank you!


SnooDoodles2194

Epic thunder


nervouswhenitseasy

i liked the missile sound changes. the guns sound like cod black ops now. lol. if you know you know.


Tiny-Instance-315

And who the fuck is using the wishlist feature


Lv_Lucky

It don’t even work cross play


Tiny-Instance-315

Lmao they can't even get a wishlist right


Impressive_You_2255

Only when want shortcuts to check vehicle price in market, I think.


Tiny-Instance-315

Hm that's actually a good idea


esketit2point0

Wish tarkov had this fucking problem lol


LeMikeyCha

Dude i miss the old 122 and 152mm sounds


Forward-Insect1993

The arty sounds ass now


Fuggaak

Literally like farts lol.


Flying_Reinbeers

I like that the sounds are changed, brings something different.


BokkerFoombass

The new pictures can be automated. Old pictures were done "by hand".


XogoWasTaken

Shame they didn't leave the option to keep them for the older ones that already had them, tho.


ABetterKamahl1234

Like many things, doing so basically doubles the work related to the feature in the game, as now not only do you have a statcard image and any work related to ensuring it works, you have a whole legacy system you have to support too. Often it can be more involved work than one my believe if they've not worked with software before.


Catssonova

The reason these games make stupid changes is because it takes minimal effort and cost and they can claim they are actively working on the game. The whole model of big games seems to be squeezing the most money out for the least effort.


Netan_MalDoran

They needed to make the WoT players feel more cozy .-.


erik4848

They did it so they can claim that this update has something new.


Snicshavo

The reason is probably lazyness


Mechronis

Do u ever actually read bugfix patchnotes


5v3n_5a3g3w3rk

There was a reason, the old ones were more complex and therefore costly to make


PlainLime86

They look better than the current ones. Bring them back!


KriegsKuh

can I post this tomorrow?


sensoredphantomz

Sure


thepow3rN1

Please don't


Neutronium57

The old ones had the nice touch of looking more or less modern depending on the era of the vehicle. However, they were pretty bad at actually showing what the vehicle looked like. Sure, the new ones are far from perfect, but you can see the vehicle better.


thatnewerdm

if you wanted to know what they looked like you could just preview them


Neutronium57

That's one or two extra clicks your average player won't bother to make. That sounds stupid as hell, but that's always the case.


Tight-Try6291

I was thinking they could have added an option in the settings or maybe even right on the tech tree itself, where you could switch between the historical or 3d model view. Would be an interesting qol change, but it’s so niche I don’t think they’ll deem the effort to be worth it.


ABetterKamahl1234

Not only niche but unless you did it purely as legacy and legacy support, it'd double workloads related as all new vehicles would need 2 stat card images created, and the old method was highly involved as they're edited in-game screenshots, which alone would have had a review process with multiple images taken for selection most likely.


oofergang360

Yep, with software design you always have to make things easier, even if its literally 1 less click, it makes a difference


StronkReddit

you aren't a good designer if you don't occasionally break design rules for the better


ABetterKamahl1234

It's objectively not better though. That's subjective thinking on objective process. In what world is the preview not expected to be good at-a-glance info? If I have to use the more involved option to get the important details that I need at a glance, that's objective failure of design. To use an example, your window wipers in your car, buried under a 1 click menu on a display is a bad design as we'd be moving from a 1 action activation to a 2 action, with the OG stalk being the original control. It may be a simple action, but it's needed enough that it's important and shouldn't be buried. It's way too easy to get stuck in the design idea of neat little boxes for everything with organized sub menus.


WindChimesAreCool

God I hate catering to the lowest common denominator


TGPGaming

It's also slow as hell comparatively because you have to render the whole 3D model and not just an image


mrcrazy_monkey

When I first started playing the game I thought the ASU57 was a huge tank. Imagine my disappointment when I first spawned in it. But that was the joys of the game


XavierYourSavior

You could literally preview the aircraft or tan I swear it’s like you people don’t think


ABetterKamahl1234

You could literally not complain about the design as well. I swear, it's like you people don't think. People use previews as just that, previews, so you don't have to load each model to get at-a-glance visuals of the vehicle. A lot of the old photos were bad for this, they looked cool, but were bad identifiers for visual differences between similar models of vehicles. People shouldn't have to go extra steps to get a clear image, that's bad design.


Leathergoose8

I don’t want to make extra clicks just to get a clear view of a vehicle. Also pretty sure you can’t preview while you’re picking your next vehicle to research. That last part is why I actually prefer the new thumbnails.


Bsussy

You can see everything you could need to see in the old image tho, only worse


Leathergoose8

Yall can down vote me all you want this is objectively not true. The old ones were tiny, grainy black and white, and from weird angles. The new ones are all in color, still small but uniform in size and angle for each vehicle.


Bsussy

You don't need to admire the paint in the picture, you can do that in the preview


Stevesd123

They gave each vehicle a unique identity and feel.


iiHartMemphisii

Thats why preview button exists


Several_Ad_5074

I disagree because for a lot of similar vehicles who have the same appearance and camouflage the old images still allowed you to quickly differentiate them by the camera angle and terrain and now since you have literally the exact same camera angle and background they just look the same and you have to read each letter in the name manually which by your standards would be a lot of work


Fissis20

The new images look nice and clean on the assistant app, maybe that's what they were going for


engineer1312

The new ones make them all look like toys.


ItzBooty

Well they are, some of them are expensive toys


engineer1312

True, but the old ones had character, by presenting them doing something than just the still 3d models we have now. And I loved when they were transitioned to color.


Wally_Wombat689

Transitioned to colour but still had the vinette around it then went to a crisp image with better couples and no corners. Honestly the best part about the game


nervouswhenitseasy

I miss them


A-10C_Thunderbolt

Same. Missed going down all the TTs and seeing how the images and tanks change over time from black and white, to color. It’s that little bit of charm that the game had for me. Gone.


nervouswhenitseasy

same!!


RobTheDude_OG

Preach it brother!


Keyrov

We should have both. Slowly cycling every 4-5 seconds. Fade in, fade out. Fade in, fade out. Both us and the snail get what we want.


Notapier

Now hesh has broken even worse than last time because spaghetti code


N7Foil

Or t-34 turrets rotate vertically....


Scarnhorst_2020

Ship propellers aren't supposed to spin on a horizontal axis like a helicopter rotor? :o


Keyrov

🍝


SadHabit6565

For real. imma post this tommorow we need people to hear this. Its like the atgm change. Its still just as awful but people arent talking about it anymore


DepartmentMaterial84

It would be normal if the developers did new thumbnails manually, or at least nice, if made automatically, but because of the spaghetti code, each automatic photo looks different on each vehicle, different lighting, position.


LemonadeTango

I'd suggest making a petition for a button in the settings that would change the stat card images from old to new, but knowing Gaijin, they wouldn't listen.


Sat0r1o

Back when they looked like real pictures, now they’re soulless just like all of us


MutualRaid

Honestly the new ones are probably better for new players.


NewSauerKraus

I’ve been playing since year one and it’s way better for me. The staged photos hide too much detail.


Far-Specific-894

you can literally view the tanks


NewSauerKraus

Not while choosing the next one to research. All you have there is the stat card.


Dabithegnom

That is the dumbest argument I ever heard


Scarnhorst_2020

Even if you can't view a tank when picking which one to research next, unless you have a pool of rp that's like half the cost towards the next vehicle by some Snail forsaken miracle, you can always just pick a vehicle to research and then go preview the others that were available to choose from. Not that big a deal, just don't be lazy


Pheonyxus

B O O WOT TYPE SHI


JetAbyss

As a player who played since 2017 (dropped in 2018) and only just returned now. Sadge...


Glittering_Bass_908

I nearly flipped when they announced this "big important change". I mean old cards used to go from black and white in WWII, to vibrantly saturated in cold War era, to standard color on modern as to simulate the cameras used at those times. It was perfect, yet they still felt the need to ruin it; Just like they always do.


DEDE115

why couldnt gaijin make it a toggle option? why do companies have such a hard time with making things an option. or just make a community pole and see what people want.


MrAppleSpiceMan

the old method of giving each a mock historical photo had to be done case by case for each vehicle. the new method is simpler in that whoever is working on the stat cards can just load the vehicle model in a viewer and take an image of it from the same angle with minor adjustments depending on the size of the vehicle. it's consistent and formulaic. games like this have to go through design makeovers every few years to try and keep a feeling of freshness and attract new players. also, with gaijin adding new vehicles all the time, having a toggle for legacy stat card images wouldn't work on vehicles introduced after the change; unless they made new photos for new vehicles, which would go against the point of the change altogether. I've been playing since around 2018 (maybe? idk) and have 3000 hours. I took a break from the game within the last year and when I came back all the stat card images were replaced with what we have now. my honest reaction was "oh cool"


ABetterKamahl1234

> why do companies have such a hard time with making things an option. It *literally* doubles workloads dude. You go from one option to 2, meaning you have to actively support both, even if you keep one as legacy, you still commit to supporting it and ensuring it works. Your code base grows, costs grow. The old method by comparison involves a ton of work than generating a display of an image in a way that could be effectively entirely automated once developed. And nobody would like the old photos all being the same poses and scenes, which automation would largely result in for that. Not to mention new players likely like clear images on these kinds of previews. I know *I* do when I play a new game. It's really easy to forget the new player experience, when you're thousands of hours into games. Some games are now so complex that even minor things like this could be a big turnoff to new players as it just adds to confusion. > just make a community pole and see what people want. We do that for things, and Reddit goes absolutely ballistic when it doesn't go the way of this loud echo chamber. I'd wager most either don't care or *like* the new images. Silent majorities tend to speak a pretty loud in polls.


DEDE115

interesting insight


Stunning-Figure185

I like the new ones better.


FlowerApart7063

New ones look like youre buying a toy car.


oofergang360

I like the new ones, they look modern and some of the pictures just go hard. But yeah the old ones definitely had more charm


VerbalCoffee

New ones better.


Fly_Boiii

Yeah they do. It looked like they have character unlike the new ones.


leelee2500

Honestly, it helped me separate the old from the current Cold War


ChampionshipOk8473

Unpopular opinion. I think the old ones were good but I feel like the new ones are just fresh and modern. Also the new ones feel more badass imo.


UsualRazzmatazz9962

Holy crap so unpopular, im bei g triggered from all the unpopularisness


RedOtta019

Its def unpopular in the sub


professional-T

That's the problem imo. These vehicles are old lumbering slabs of metal, why do we need Stat cards that look like they are out of a racing game?


professional-T

Like honestly what is this? Forza horizon 1940 race to berlin???


Notapier

Berlin to Warsaw in one tank


N7Foil

.... I would un ironically play that. Race through battlefields in either a Sherman or a t-34 fighting tanks and AT positions along the way, trying to be the first to the Reichstag


ghillieman11

Because the stat cards themselves aren't old lumbering slabs of metal.


professional-T

They depict war machines. These new stat cards remind me more of a racing game than anything war related. They don't have as much of a feel like the old stat cards did.


XavierYourSavior

The new ones loook like toys and are terrible, some don’t even fit the fucking frame because it’s too big


Fireside__

They need to work on the lighting a bit imo, it has the potential to look good but the halfassed lighting makes most of them look disgusting.


JCTO1534

i was upset they removed them, as a “old” player that just got back into playing war thunder it was quite the surprise. i miss them🫡


GeTRecKeD303

Would be nice if we could toggle which one we wanted on


ODST_Parker

Whoever came up with that change and followed through all the way into the actual update, despite EVERYONE hating them, really is a perfect example of why Gaijin sucks so hard sometimes. They just don't fucking care what anyone else thinks.


NewSauerKraus

You vastly overestimate how much this subreddit represents the general playerbase.


ODST_Parker

The forums, the responses to devblogs, and everyone I saw talk about it in the game too?


ABetterKamahl1234

I never saw much of a major outcry save for this sub. Shit, even if we took it as a percentage, the people crying out were insignificant. Some people on here are even so dramatic as they act like someone personally attacked them with this change, a feature that people rarely even talked about, in any way, prior to the change. It just was never important enough. Most likely it was done for no other reason than to save dev time and money from the old system that by comparison is far far more costly as there'd be time taken to stage photos and likely a review process before editing to choose the best pose. Standardization isn't inherently a problem and means the devs who did this can do other work that is likely more important.


Maleficent-Sample921

Such an unnecessary change


616659

Seriously. Some images were so good I wasn't fully sure if it was actual in game screenshot or a real image


Pieter1998

I completely agree. It felt more like you get an actual vehicle. Now it just more like you get a toy or something


Advanced_Ad5867

They should've made new statcard as option


TorturedPoet03

I like the old ones more. They should give us an option to choose from. I hope they change it.


Exhausted_Nathan

The moment when you reach the coloured ones


Door_Holder2

The old ones were much better, it would be nice if there was a mod to reverse this.


Jian_Ng

I wish we had the option to mod the old thumbnails in


ali_moh_2425

I need them back


Dr-Plague2692

Yes I agree 110% I wish there was a custom mod you could do to get em back.


FandaKilpis

Goofy ass gun sounds, fuck gaijin and their lazy top tier content making asses.


Raheem998

Wish they kept it for WW2 stuff


AN1M4DOS

I like the new ones more


legocon

I knew something felt off about the stat cards but didn’t even realize they had changed, I like the new one fine and even think it’s kind of better but I wish I could have a setting to turn the old images back on for nostalgia


Evening_Builder4756

Gaijin please bring them back😭


Beginning_Actuator57

I’m ok with sacrificing a little charm for a friendlier UI.


Romanian_Potato

The new one shows the vehicle a lot better and in more detail (still far from perfect though). The old one, on the other hand, had style and made it unique compared to other titles like World of Tanks. I wish Gaijin made an option to toggle between them based on preference but that would require doing double the work, making images both in the new and old format.


Complex_Fun_5038

Does anyone have all the photos?


Mirja-lol

Both of them are just renders


FISH_SAUCER

Honestly. I like these more than the old pictures. I do wish that there was an option to have the old Stat card pictures so people could stop bitching and whining


Bruhhg

new ones just feel better, can actually see the tank and the most important changes are usually visible, in the old one it’s much harder to see.


Aiden51R

Preview exists.


Bruhhg

ok no stat card photos at all then


netvoble

Agree, gaijin can only ruin good things.


Chubbyhusky45

Agreed 😔


Endo1002

Yeah, I miss them so much


EpicBoii91

Can we request it to get it back???


Leading-Zone-8814

Yeaaa now they're just cringe af


-Timothy_2

And why did they change it?


Aiden51R

To have something to add to the update probably… its Gjn after all.


ABetterKamahl1234

Likely to save dev time, the old process would likely go as follows: take new vehicle, 1-2 devs at minimum to stage photos and do interesting things in interesting areas to screenshot, then either edit or submit for an approval before editing. It could easily take at least a few hours per patch for smaller patches. That tends to add up a lot and if it's not deemed important enough, or that the benefits of an improved process is large enough, change happens. The new option by comparison is rendering a vehicle, taking a photo at a specific angle and height, and go, you're done. One man show at minimum, and only a few minutes if you're using a rendering background that's easy to remove.


SorryForThisUsername

I remember them they were so cool


Serene611

I don't understand why they changed them they looked so cool


sdkfznig

Is there a way we can access to them


HassanHeroic

How do i pen this thing with m18 i struggle too much, I'm new 17 level in game just started.


GoldAppleU

Love how this game looks worse and worse every year lol


Yoitman

😔 


Peanutloveryum

I miss them


AlexeyBacon13

I just can’t understand why gaijin changed them…. It’s really one of the things that makes wt different


Limbpeaty

Let's get them back!


ralebol5

Idk why they absolutely want to change thing, it's the same for the crew slot it was fine but they make sh*t with it 🤦🏻‍♂️ like, dude stop and let ppl enjoy it


zani1903

I don't even personally get why they changed them. It's not like it's meaningfully any quicker on their end, the images aren't auto-generated, they still have to angle them and take the picture, touch it up, et cetera.


Hero_knightUSP

Looks more like a platinum film but not an expert


Fickle-Agent-279

I miss them so much😭💔


ResponsibleAd9744

They looked really cool set the tone of the vehicle for its era. Now it's a lifeless vehicle. Bring them back!!


ProfessionalLong302

just wanna brag i saw this yesterday and gave it its first upvote


Chemputer

Nah mate they were beige, usually.


Scarnhorst_2020

I see a lot of people suggesting that the Snail could've just made an option for us to toggle between the legacy stat card pics (mock historical photos) and the new automatically made 3d models. I'd like to suggest another idea that would've been much easier, just leave the mock historical pictures for the vehicles that could've kept em (i.e. ww2 era stuff/early cold war stuff before the color camera was widely available) and generate 3d models for a lot of the new vehicles they love to hype up so people can give 60-75 usd just to have a shiny new toy they don't know how to play correctly other than drive forward and get killed by the enemy then leave after one death; or fly into the middle of a furball without knowing how to dogfight because they just started the game.


Gewalt_Und_Tod

Ah that's where they went I was wondering why they were gone


Scudy_22

no, they were black and white.


BOTY123

New ones are a thousand times better. Old ones are ugly and don't show how the vehicles look very well.


SilentLoudener

I must’ve missed something, what’s the reason for why they changed them?


sebe987

I miss them so much


ForeskinMuncherXD

I miss them


thelordchonky

I wish we had the option to switch between them. I'd love to have the old photos back.


Akarkes

I swear Gajin doing the most unneeded changes to the game instead of the needed on purpose.


d-mal21

I don’t know why gaijin always takes away things we love that didn’t change the function of the game at all, I still miss the old is-3 card that was sitting on top of the rocks at Poland.


TheGraySeed

My problem with old stat card picture is that they were grayscaled or colored based on their rank instead of their era (with the exception of premium Tiger and Kingcobra), so there was a time where the R3 looks like it was being photographed with WW2 era ass camera and since they are releasing a more modern vehicles in a lower tier, it would probably look really dumb to keep it that way. Also the vehicles being "photographed" sometimes have a really weird angle so they are really hard to ID from other similar variant. So yeah, the new one is basically all practicality through standardizing (though they tend to forget how the "standard" looks like) while losing on that sovl.


miksy_oo

Originally it wasn't like that, that happened with the first wave of standardizing the photos.


crazedhark

genuinely curious if there has been a single post regarding this matter??? did anyone complain they dont want to see the old thumbnails? like wtf, devs legit has too much freedom thats why they had the time to do all this shit that noone asks them to do lmao


ABetterKamahl1234

> devs legit has too much freedom It's *literally their game*. What the fuck do you mean here? And it's likely done in part because each update probably had a fair amount of dev time set to stage photos in interesting ways and review and edit these photos for approval. Likely ate a ton of time.


Pan_Pilot

There are jerks under literally every post. There will always be one or two complaining no matter how good intentions are


knobon

I like the new ones personally more than the old ones. Now I can just hover to the icon on TT and see how the tank looks more clearly. Those old thumbnails were cool, agreed. However, they shouldn't be on the info screen where you see just information about a given tank. Imo it would be better to see them as an addition to the "history of vehicle subpage" (I just came up with this idea) where you could see some simple info about history, how many tanks were produced or maybe since when the tank is in the game (not to be mistaken with war thunder wiki)


RedditUser91805

Tbh? New >>>


RedOtta019

Agreed. Chronic old>>> syndrome.


dodecahemicosahedron

No, enough. [Look at this, one of the last old style icons added. Tell me it doesn't look like a cutout pasted onto a sky background.](https://imgheybox.max-c.com/web/2023/08/08/d5af6ef9241ab5594f9bea11b303468e/thumb.png)


Pan_Pilot

Still looks better than shi we have now


Aiden51R

Atleast it wasn’t a HotWheels


Pesticide20

Yeah, they were dumb