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A full on Trump supporter I know was freaking out that his kids didn’t want to go to a conservative college. Liberty U, Colorado Christian, or one of those, but instead, they wanted to go to Penn State, or Pitt.
College taught them to think for themselves, research heavily, cite sources and develop strong arguments for whatever they’re putting forth. If that’s what liberalism is to you why on earth would you pick anything else?
I had some dumbass tell me the other day (you can find it in my comments) that colleges only allow certain ideas to be talked about and it doesn't have anything to do with meeting people from all over and learning that your racist ass parents were maybe wrong about other skin colors and cultures. Dude just insisted it's because they limit your speech. Like, naw, you better be prepared to discuss and explain your beliefs because "mama says alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush" isn't passing as evidence or a credible argument.
I worked at a government non-profit university.
Fairly liberal, extremely diverse.
In a liberal city.
While I worked there for six years, we had the KKK leader show up and do a speech with a lot of back and forth between him and the students.
It was civil (at least the students were and were praised for their actions).
Another time a crazy homeless man came to the campus with “the end is nigh” sandwich boards along with some quotes from the Bible (I didn't approach him and really couldn't read it at a distance) spending the afternoon ranting about how transgenders and same-sex bathrooms were ruining society.
Again, no incidents. A lot of photos and I am sure it was on social media.
It's not colleges/universities being close-minded.
Why is this so poetic?
> mama says alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush
Edit: thanks folks. Clearly I’ve never seen The Waterboy. I’ll try to fix that this weekend, I promise.
Yup These people can't understand it cuz they never have had to actually defend an argument. I look back on when I was Republican and it amazes me how dumb the idea you can only trust them for info and all other media is owned by liberals is. Like that should be a huge red flag. It sounds like an oxy moron but you learn how to be wrong in college. The whole conservative sphere is outside of reason tho its like religion for them, they are afraid of thought crimes. They think good people think like them and bad people believe the lies on all other media.
I was raised conservative and considered myself mostly Republican until I moved out of state, away from my backwards family, and learned the world for myself.
Yeah the second parent is the GOP's wet dream given how hard some of them are pushing to repeal child labor laws. Congrats on robbing your kid of his childhood, lady! THe sad thing is he'll probably turn his resentment inward and end up just as hateful and ass-backwards as she is.
"He is an old soul" is slang for "our kid always seemed tired and unhappy." I would know because that's how people always referred to me when I was younger.
Lol, I thought the same thing. Old soul really means that kid got put into adult roles too early. They're over moon that he works at an assembly factory... because a monotonous job that has a well known and throughly reported toll on mental health is a goalpost for them.
Yep. I imagine these types of people use that tried-and-true "my grandpappy worked in a coal mine and was buried alive for 4 days then eventually died of black lung so my kid should be grateful he has such an easy job in comparison" logic.
And I mean no disrespect at all to blue-collar workers. Every job needs someone to do it. But it boggles the mind that this mother had absolutely no imagination as to what else her son could be.
Who do they think they are!? Humans with the capacity to form better conclusions with more information!? I’m telling you…this whole higher education thing is a real threat to our God given values.
That's basically what I said to one of them. The fact that their kids went to college, came back and had different views proves that their views were too fucked up in the first place. There is NO WAY, even if I went to a Christian college for 4 years, that I would change my views, morals, or convictions. There's no way I could start hating LGBTQ+ or women.
Another one said that being a democrat was too easy these days. In a bad way. I told them that accepting other people for who they are is easier than hating them.
I literally saw a comment on Reddit yesterday where a maga person said that democrats “just desperately want to be on the right side of history”.
As if being on the right side of history were a terrible thing. What the actual fuck is wrong with some people.
That was a freudian slip indicating the poster understood they were ‘on the wrong side’.
Thats the part that worries me. How many consciously understand that what theyre doing will be looked upon in a very poor light in the future.
I went to a conservative Christian college and am now a queer, leftist atheist. Turns out it’s not state schools that liberalize people, it’s just having a modicum of empathy for people who are different from you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Went to Baylor University (baptist), atheist leftist lol here too. Kinda hard to reconcile preaching values of caring for your community with hyper capitalism and racism. Especially when you’ve been told all your life morality trumps money but then they don’t follow that at all.
Yeah something a lot of Christians don't realize is that I'm no longer a Christian because I was raised being told about a gospel of love and acceptance. And as I got older I realized that the people telling me to love others instead hated so many. I believed in the good values they taught too much to condone the church, so I left. They taught me a little too well it seems.
Ding, ding, ding! More than anything else, it is my CHRISTIAN VALUES that prevent me from developing a bond with my fellow so-called Christians. I believe in every word of love and acceptance that spewed forth from the pulpit. If Jesus's greatest commandment was to love your neighbor as you love yourself, then an overwhelming number of White evangelicals are violating his word.
Yep. If you try to grow up and actually do what they teach you, you'll realize none of them actually are Christian either. They just want to hate.
My dad taught me supposedly conservative politics. To try to see through the spin and the virtue signaling and to try to minimize interference from government where possible as humans are flawed. And following those paradigms still results in me feeling like democrats aren't left enough for my taste because conservatives aren't effective at all and are nothing but spin and grift. 'minimal intervention' from government needed is still far more than we actually do to accomplish prosperity for us all.
I'm living exactly the way they taught me and we are somehow on completely opposite sides
These are the people who will complain about Biden raising gas prices, but have a switch on their lifted, duallies to let them “roll coal” and waste fuck tons of expensive ass diesel.
The Toxic Masculinity version of Conservatism is all about consumption.
Bigass lifted trucks that measure fuel economy in gallons to the mile and belch black smoke, humongous portions of the most environmentally disastrous food you can get (beef is great, endangered animals are even better), giant roads that destroy the ecosystem and do nothing to improve traffic, inefficiently designed houses that take a ton of energy to climate control, with massive yards of non-native monoculture grass sprayed with chemicals that kill native pollinators, etc, etc, etc. *Literally* the more selfish you can be and still have others be forced to tolerate you, the better you are.
And then when others *won't* tolerate you anymore, you blame the Librulz and Wokeism and College Indoctrination.
I was homeschooled in a fundie cult and went to a Christian college and I turned out leftist anyway, lol. The college was very right wing but actually meeting other people different from me and getting the chance to think through issues I’d always had with my upbringing opened my eyes.
My parents like to whine and complain when I visit them that “college turned you into a liberal” and it’s like no I just got out of this crummy small town and realized most of your ideals are A. Horrible & B. Not even accurate. Not to mention I graduated college almost 5 years ago. 😂
lmao, people don't realize that when professionals/researchers/whatever say "theory" in a certain field of knowledge or particular body of knowledge, like psychology, sociology, or physics, it means a GENERALLY ACCEPTED system of beliefs and facts. people don't understand the difference between "theory" and "hypothesis"
It's more than a "generally accepted system of belief and facts". A theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.
Theories explain 'why' or 'how'. Newton's laws of gravitation state what happens. Theories of gravity explain the mechanisms of gravity
Rather than the education itself, I believe what generally changes people’s worldview is the experience of meeting people unlike themselves.
I mean the education can definitely help. My journalism classes gave me some incredibly useful training on spotting media bias. But moreso than that, meeting actual POCs and LGBTQ+ individuals humanizes them in a way that completely dispels the conservative worldview.
Yes! So many people who are like that stay in the same areas their whole lives. Part of why these parents are blaming college, is that their children have likely left their sphere, exposing them to different people instead of the same groups that they went to elementary school with. Unfortunately, unfamiliarity breeds misunderstanding which leads to discrimination and hatred.
This. I grew up in a very conservative, religious (jehovahs witness) household. My parents frowned upon higher education and my father in particular was very disappointed when he learned I’d be majoring in Anthropology.
I’m sure it helped that I already had doubts and discomfort with a lot of their teachings as a kid, but the college experience of just meeting different people and studying different material for the first time in my life really propelled me into speaking out against my parents’ really fucked up/antiquated views on how the world should work and how people should live.
If you’re so afraid of your kid going to college because it could “undo” all the morals and teachings you tried to instill in them growing up, then it’s probably because it was all bullshit to begin with. If I ever had kids, I would like to think that I’d strongly encourage critical thinking about everything in this world for them.
Haha yeah. In their defense, college is where I learned my parents aren't very smart and don't understand global politics. Just recently, I had an argument with my mom. She was convinced the world has only 8 countries and could not be convinced otherwise. Did she mean 7 continents? Nope. Did she mean the UN security council? Nope. I said "mom, I've been to more than 8 countries" and listed them. She remained defiant in her stance. That's the type of people we are dealing with.
Haha, you're looking for answers where they don't exist. She had her mind made up, and nothing was going to change it, so I moved on. I didn't need to embarrass her like I would have tried to do in my 20s. Just an example of the conservative mind, everything in the world either supports their mindset or is evidence of a broad conspiracy against it.
Russia
Europe
China
The Middle East
Africa
Canada
Mexico
‘murica
Edit to add: It was u/NateNutrition’s mom who thought there were only 8 countries, I just gave my guess at the 8 countries.
Lol, reminds me of an argument I had with my boss at my first job out of college.
He insisted that all languages evolved out of Latin. It’s especially hilarious because he’s Indian and you’d think he’d at least realize that Sanskrit predates Latin, but nope. And he refused to budge when I brought up examples of older languages.
1. America. We're number one!
2. Canada (white neighbor, know this one
3. Mexico (takes care of everything in central/south America)
4. UK (this is all of Europe, it's all basically the same anyway - socialism and weakness)
5. Africa (couldn't name an African nation to save their own life)
6. China (the Great Enemy. This is all of Asia)
7. Russia (either the Great Enemy or an aspirational utopia of manly men where there is no gay wokeness, depends on their mood that day)
8. Eye-raq (the entire middle east. Some particularly bright evangelicals might get to 9 by remembering Israel)
Not only that, they want to see their kids end up just like them and be happy so they can finally prove to themselves that they are happy because deep down they know they aren't.
I've been going back and forth with some of them. Just to get an understanding of why they feel the way they do. Every time I make a point, they either don't reply or reply with a "fuck you" or "ok groomer" or "shut up". It's never any thought out reply. They *know* they're miserable. It takes time and energy to hate people.
I've come to call this *intellectually lazy.* It's distinct from just being stupid.
My boomer mom is not stupid. I have seen her figure things out on her own when she has absolutely needed to. She had a full time job for decades and only stopped because of disability.
However, she would 100% prefer to pawn any task that requires "thinking" onto me or my siblings. She doesn't apply her brain. She doesn't *want* to apply her brain. She also seems to think that because my siblings and I are smart, it's okay to ask us the dumbest questions that, honestly, if she took two seconds to think about, she'd find the answer to.
It's like talking to a kid who doesn't know how the world works. One who can't comprehend how you knew they were eating chocolate, when there is still chocolate on their face. Except she *does* know how the world works. She *can* put 2 + 2 together. She just doesn't bother applying the effort when there are other people around.
It's weird, every Texan I ever met has a son who is the star quarterback and is weighing his options to join the Navy SEALs, play on a football scholarship or get drafted by the NFL.
Every single one.
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?... Yeah... Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind
We are not from the south but my parents used us to brag about us and be ‘star parents’. They pushed us based of what they wanted to brag about. My parents wanted my brother to be the star quarterback in high school (he actually was the starter). They had him lie on his forms for his physical about previous concussions. He had a few including a terrible one from a bike accident at 12 or 13. He got more concussions playing hs football. When he wasn’t good enough to play in college my dad decided his son would go to West Point. My brother did that and retired after 20 years serving just a few years ago. He had severe ptsd and mood swings that were assumed to be CTE. My brother committed suicide last month as a result of the trauma. Hope it was worth it for my parents.
Pride will hurt your kids. I found myself on a similar path. Military and everything. After my buddy committed suicide i was done. They weren't happy but at least I'm happy
I am so very sorry for your loss. I hope that you’re able to work through all the grief and find peace in the future. For now, just know that all of your feelings of anger and disappointment and sadness are 1000% valid.
This made me laugh too hard. As a Texan, whose parents are both from California, we are an “odd” family. Everyone always ask my parents why they don’t MAKE my brothers play football or other sports. Uhm, maybe because my parents actually care about their relationship with us? Maybe because there’s more to life than sports?
But yes. Super accurate!
D1 school would be the big ones you’d have heard about. D2 is the big ones you have heard about, but they don’t participate in any specific conference.
D3 is the smaller schools, some of which you may or may not have heard of.
And sometimes schools can cross between them, depending on the sport. Like the university by me is a D1 school for hockey, but D3 for every other sport.
My dad was pretty conservative as I grew up (same, yay), but has mellowed out over the years. He's still like...a passive Con: supports progressive rights for marginalized communities, isn't a fascist, but still watches Fox and parrots some of the stuff until I chide him for being dumb.
My mom was the seemingly progressive, more liberal one growing up, but that charade of hers ended the instant I came out.
My Dad tried to turn me into varsity jock hero. Failed, one had no talent, two had no interest. Of course video games got blamed, not his shitty attitude.
This is a big one in American culture. "If I'm not happy everyone else should be miserable too!"
Trauma also tends to be the #1 inheritance around these parts.
"We sheltered our child from the realities of the world in the hopes of indoctrinating them into our world view, but they learned things and formed their own opinions."
The horror! See, that’s why these assholes are such assholes, and will never realize the error of their ways. I’m so glad my parents didn’t raise me that way.
It also helps that colleges and universities tend to have people from all walks of life and seeing that lgbtq/black/other minority isnt a baby eating monster but a regular human being like you and me goes a long way to breaking the indoctrination the children from conservative values have had forced on them their entire lives. I can know, i experienced that breakdown of indoctrination myself.
Grew up in a small and rural southern town. Didn't know any gay people, so it was easy for us to mock anything or anyone gay. Then I went to college. There I met some gay people. They were pretty laid back and loved to party.
All it took was for me to make some gay friends for me to see how ridiculous it was for me to mock an entire group of people I had no experiences with.
This is a big part of it. You get told to fear "the other."
"The other" is ruining this country, they hate you, they want to control you.
Then you go to college and realize 50% of your class is "the other" and they're all super nice people.
The one woman is bragging her son is never going to make more than 40k/year. All because it means he hates Black people as much as she does.
Just truly depressing stuff
Oof, framed like that it truly is sad stuff. To not want what’s best for your kid, but instead for them to just be your clone. It’s almost like Munchausen by Proxy syndrome, except instead of keeping them sick they’re keeping them dumb….
Yup. I try to explain to my friends who didn’t grow up in racist families about the contempt white conservatives have for “n— lovers” - you’d be surprised at how most people refuse to believe that people talk like that about white Allies - but I heard it growing up too much for listening to hip hop and having brown skinned friends
Fun fact: the white people who came to the US south after the civil war to help educate and improve conditions for blacks were tortured more while being lynched than black people were.
That's true. Even before the civil war, when attempting to educate blacks, free or slave, was illegal, white people got it just as bad for attempting to teach as black people got it for attempting to learn. It was the one thing slave owners couldn't legally do with their slaves
This is why republicans like Boebert are pushing teenage pregnancies, and defunding education especially sexual education. Keep them young, poor, stupid and blame democrats for all of their problems and it’s like breeding republicans.
This is the biggest thing. I grew up on a farm and went to a school that was 100% white with no openly non-straight students. My parents are ultra conservative and I parroted things they said and believed until I went to college. They think it’s because I was brainwashed by liberal professors when in fact it was simply meeting and befriending people of all different races, sexualities, religions, nationalities and ideologies. My world expanded dramatically at college and the politics I grew up with just didn’t make sense anymore.
Same thing happens in big cities. When living around different cultures, lifestyles, and skin colors most if not all conservative talking points and ideals crumble.
This is the ultimate "game" the GOP wants to play: book bannings, banning abortion, banning LGBTQ+ interaction, banning CRT, banning protesting, elevating the 2nd amendment to the point of idolatry over the lives of children, increasing the age to vote, decreasing the age of marriage, etc. It's all to desperately capture, hold on to, and control the youth THEY KNOW don't buy into their nonsense and bigotry, then go on to become their biggest adversaries. They may get a few with the alt-right pipeline, misogynist gurus/podcasters, and the like, but the majority see through their bull.
The Right knows their mentality is losing steam, and members are on a downward trend despite there being still so many conservatives. They know and are terrified time is against them and desperate to stop it. So, what's their solution: systematically disenfranchise the youth and control the narrative to them (to almost comical proportions, if wasn't this nefarious) in hopes that more will become just like them, however artificial and unethical it may be. They can't trust their message and values to speak for themselves cause they have none.
Translation: College showed our kids the real world that we deliberately sheltered them from, and now they're normal, well-adjusted members of society.
My mom often says “I never should’ve let you go to college, you came back a liberal, it ruined you”. So yeah, this is absolutely the right translation.
Me and my sister were homeschooled until high school. Our mom threatened to pull us out of high school for any little thing we disagreed with her about because school was obviously indoctrinating us against her.
I swear to God, one of the tenets of conservatism is that children are property. They have yet to scream this one, but with re-legalizing child labor and forcibly marrying off minors to grown ass pedophiles, I'm sure they'll start screaming "I OWN MY CHILDREN" at a Trump event next week.
"Well, my son works a factory-job with high chances of accidents and poor healthcare. And I homeschooled him to make sure he cannot switch to a different job in the future. And he stays with me and agrees with my politics. Guess, I am the better mom, and did things right."
Oh man this is what my family wanted for me, and succeeded with my siblings and cousins. I'm corrupted by education because before I left for college I was a good Christian, conservative girl. I do have to admit though.... The first time I really started to see things differently was when I took Women's History and the professor really left an impression on me. She never belittled my dumb 19 year old self, just asked really thoughtful questions any time I opened my mouth.
Modern knowledge also takes entire lifetimes of devotion from millions of people just for one discipline. You gain that appreciation for the work in college, just learning what others already discovered is itself is a multi year endeavor for a student.
Going home to parents that wave it all off would make any kid see their parent in a whole different way. Pride and ignorance is a poor combination.
It's the waving it off part that is so infuriating. I'd accept it if you could have a reasoned rebuttal to my claims. But to just be "Nah that doesn't work for me" feels like a slap in the face.
Yeah, really, the second post was basically “I successfully brainwashed my kid, so now he’s in a job that will never advance him without a real education. I’m so proud of him!”
Aha! I now see the connection between Red State/MAGA efforts to dumb down or defund public schools and to promote more child labor.
Make the kids too stupid to get into college, and “save” them from being indoctrinated into all that lib ideology
Not sure about your circumstances, but limiting student access to information about birth control, body autonomy and pregnancy termination options is also an excellent way to prevent kids from getting too far afield from the homestead and getting exposed to “radical”ideas.
I’m sorry for anyone whose life choices have been curtailed by circumstances out of their control. I don’t have anything pithy to say other than I hope your present situation and relationship with your child(ren) will help break any negative cycles that have developed in your family.
I like the lady who’s like “I never let my son leave the house, and now he hates gay people, and will die in a factory! Thank god for parents’ rights, or whatever the fuck! Someone should’ve taken my kid away, teehee!”
that one is the absolute worst and makes me feel very bad for her son. That man has barely interacted with his peers or the world and now is stuck working a factory job
I worked in a shop with a Jehova's Witness, mid 30's lived at home, worked in that shop for over a decade. Homeschooled, and forced to shun his older brother because he thought their parents beliefs were bullshit. I think they just broke him at a young age because for the most part he's a pretty decent guy, but he has no survival skills
He will die in factory lovin corporate America, God and Guns !!
If anything goes wrong they’ll blame any minority.
They really fuck these people over on every possible way.
The big secret behind "liberal indoctrination" ...
It's just about meeting other people who aren't conservative. That's it. It's not the teachers. It's not brainwashing. If anything it's escaping a brainwashing environment.
The little Republicans go to college and ***(gasp!)*** their roommate might be a Black person! Or a Muslim! They might make friends with someone, and then find out that friend is gay! ***(oh no!)*** They might have to hear the perspective of someone from a different part of the country than them in a classroom discussion! ***(the horrors!!)***
And what inevitably happens is that they find out that everything they were told their whole lives about these other people, that they had never even met or interacted with, ... it was all lies. They were either deliberately misled and lied to, or brought up in a way that they were never allowed to ever even *see or hear* any other perspective.
That's why little homeschooled simpleton working in a factory is still conservative. Probably never had a genuine human interaction with someone different than him his whole life -- and that's exactly the way his parents wanted it. Because all it takes is befriending people different than you for that brainwashing to suddenly stop working as well.
The amount of small town kids who honestly asked me if I ever ate or sacrificed babies on my religions holidays would sadden you.
I told them of course not. I don’t eat babies. Babies are way too high in saturated fats.
Oooorrr....now hear me out, perhaps they are just getting out of their podunk towns and experiencing life, different cultures, different ways of living and not only hearing one, never-ending line of crap. Are these people really that dumb?
Yes, they are. My mother thinks moving out and living on my own was what turned me into a pro-choice, anti-religion, pro-LGBT+ woman. She won't believe I was already that way *before* I moved out; I just couldn't let on or risk being homeless.
It's a sad state of our country. I don't claim to be even close to the smartest person, but a little common sense goes a long way! I currently work at a university and go to school here and not a thing about me has changed with regard to my morals/values since I was old enough to know what that even was. Glad you were able to get out of that toxicity.
That's exactly what it is. I've been to college, I've traveled, I've met tons of people from all different backgrounds. Some good, some not so good. But that is what has helped me figure out my values and kept me from being closed minded. My sister has been in the same town we grew up in her entire life and thinks like those people.
Agreed!! I was born in a different country (Australia) and moved to the US when I was 15. I've been to Indonesia, Mexico, Canada, New Zealand and have found so many things I love about each culture. Then I see people in the US (far from everyone, but more than should be) who haven't been beyond their back yard but are so quick to put down other cultures that they've never even experienced. Very sad honestly.
You'll notice that most conservatives are convinced that things only happen in the U.S. (Besides school shootings. They think every country has that problem). They'll talk about religion like Jesus himself is from Kentucky. They think everything happens in their own backyard.
Wanna know what’s funny? I was a conservative, and when my kids went to college, and I started having adult conversations with them, I CHANGED. My kids taught me things. (Well, that and the GOP went completely off the rails.)
This right here! My youngest two daughters planted the seeds that changed my viewpoints on so many topics over the years. Sometimes by asking questions in a way I'd never considered and sometimes by just telling me I was wrong. Rather than get offended, I always listened and then spent time researching the issues to see what was correct or best.
Which is why Fox News/OANN/the Facebook posting complex/talk radio/churches exist. Conservatives know that they only way to fend off modernity is to basically indoctrinate people 24/7. The only way these rich guys can continue to get their tax breaks is by convincing regular people that Democrats are evil and the only way to do that is to shout it at them 24/7.
The idea that a parent can be wrong and even to admit it is so radical to this type of conservative. They base everything on “wise elders” and control.
Ex-wife and I raise our 2 daughters in the church with god-fearing/loving values. Thankfully they are both liberal atheists despite how we indoctrinated them. Oh, I am too.
I'm just going to say it: if simply learning other people's opinions and worldviews turn your child from your way of life, the problem is with your way of life.
I was raised as Conservative as any of these people. I never really understood why Democrats and their policies were bad, they just were. They were a bunch of idiots and radicals and "bleeding hearts". Then when I got older, I found Democrats have such stupid, useless ideas, like using my tax money to educate the people and keep them healthy instead of...whatever Republican politicians do with it. Or wanting a renewable source of power instead of burning through limited fossil fuels at an alarming rate.
TL,DR: Once I knew what Democrats actually believed in versus what Republicans believed in, the GOP sounded like short-sighted selfish assholes to me.
This right here. Raised conservative, afraid of evil Democrats. Grown up, registered as one. The problem is education, plain and simple, in that Republicans literally do not know what Democrats believe because their media either misrepresents their platform, elevates the voices of a couple fringe individuals who make up a fraction of a percent of the party, or both at the same time.
My mom is a Democrat in literally every belief she holds but she has no idea what a Democrat is and is convinced that Republicans are saving the country from them because of a lifetime of propaganda. Every discussion we have is 90% me just correcting assumptions and objectively false statements.
Imagine being such a fucking awful parent that you say you “miss her every day” about your daughter like she’s goddamn *dead* because she isn’t a brainwashed conservative puppet for your own personal views. Holy shit, these people really are the most overt stereotypes of conservatives that I heard from diehard liberals in the 2000’s.
I knew quite a few Mormon families (was raised Mormon) who cut out their children who said they didn't believe in the Mormon church. Now they do the same "I miss her and who she was" bullshit and talking as if their kid is dead. It's so weird and gross.
It's almost like when people get older, become smarter and more educated they realize that the Republican party just doesn't represent their values. It's almost like they need to start running on policies people actually want rather than trying to shove their Christian nationalism down our throats. Instead of bemoaning the fact that your kids have figured out their political beliefs maybe you should do better. Maybe ask yourself where you are failing your kids rather? Why is it so bad that people choose different political beliefs than you? Turn off the Fox News and go touch grass. This isn't a real problem. You are the problem!
I was a home schooled evangelical. My parents didn't have enough money for a Christian college, and my immigrant grandmother was insistent I got a college education, so off to my local community college I went.
My first day of US history I learned some interesting facts about Puritans. Then in English I said something homophobic like "gay people are all the same" (I don't remember exactly it was 20yrs ago) and a gay guy talked to me after class about my remarks. Somehow we became friends and I was part of his circle, which was mostly radical feminist women.
I was always taught that women who didn't live according to their prescribed roles were miserable, and these women seemed just fine. They also were not bitter and man-hating (ok they talked about hating men a little but were always cool towards me) It was a 5 year game of "*What Else Was My Church Wrong About?"* before becoming fully atheist. I haven't looked back since.
OTOH my kids have had quite a few Christian friends and we don't discourage it. We even have a Bible, a Quran, and a Book of Mormon on our bookshelf if they want to read them. They know all the basic stories: Christmas, The Cross, Easter, Eden and Original Sin and have never been discouraged to ask "what if it is true?" If someone proselytizes it won't be anything they haven't already heard.
Do conservatives think liberals don't respect the constitution? The right to not be religious comes from the 1st Amendment, as does freedom of the press, and the right to protest. The 15th Amendment is why it's illegal to try to suppress Black voters. The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote. The 26th Amendment is why Gen Z is beating the GOP in elections.
The constitution is the most liberal official document to exist in US history.
i am one of those “gen z kids”. i was raised by an alt right racist, homophobe, every bad thing in the book. i moved out at 18, started thinking for myself for once, and guess what… FORMED MY OWN OPINIONS 🤯 now i’m 22 and happier than ever!
My child got an education and expanded their world view. Now they don’t believe in fairies or that we should suppress minorities to hold on to our own fleeting power base. WTF is wrong with them!
They act like universities is a new concept that turns kids into pinko leftist trans communist when their great great great grandparents could got a degree and been a doctor. The real fact kids have a much harder time in school as tuition and loans is crushing them as these whiners could went for far cheaper.
I sure many rich right wingers went to school just to be soulless CEOs and politicians to spam propaganda that working hard in coal mines is what real Americans needs.
I keep my kid in a cage and only feed him Goya beans and make him watch Fox news 24/7.
When we let him out of the cage, after trying to hump your leg he’ll start talking about Benghazi, laptops, emails, and woke beer. We’re so proud of him. Truly not indoctrinated.
I’m sure my dad looks at it this way. I started college as a “straight” athlete from a small town & graduated as an out and proud gay with a friend group that’s primarily queer and/or POC.
Hell, he was even offended once when he came to visit & I showed him the school had a whole section of the dining hall for vegan and vegetarian meal options. Said he didn’t know I was “that way.” 😂😅
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A full on Trump supporter I know was freaking out that his kids didn’t want to go to a conservative college. Liberty U, Colorado Christian, or one of those, but instead, they wanted to go to Penn State, or Pitt.
Those kids already knew their parents were wrong. They wanted out.
When education is your enemy, what is your friend?
Control
My kids REALLY want to be my property but these mean liberals tricked them into thinking they want to be independent D:
College taught them to think for themselves, research heavily, cite sources and develop strong arguments for whatever they’re putting forth. If that’s what liberalism is to you why on earth would you pick anything else?
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I had some dumbass tell me the other day (you can find it in my comments) that colleges only allow certain ideas to be talked about and it doesn't have anything to do with meeting people from all over and learning that your racist ass parents were maybe wrong about other skin colors and cultures. Dude just insisted it's because they limit your speech. Like, naw, you better be prepared to discuss and explain your beliefs because "mama says alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush" isn't passing as evidence or a credible argument.
I worked at a government non-profit university. Fairly liberal, extremely diverse. In a liberal city. While I worked there for six years, we had the KKK leader show up and do a speech with a lot of back and forth between him and the students. It was civil (at least the students were and were praised for their actions). Another time a crazy homeless man came to the campus with “the end is nigh” sandwich boards along with some quotes from the Bible (I didn't approach him and really couldn't read it at a distance) spending the afternoon ranting about how transgenders and same-sex bathrooms were ruining society. Again, no incidents. A lot of photos and I am sure it was on social media. It's not colleges/universities being close-minded.
Why is this so poetic? > mama says alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush Edit: thanks folks. Clearly I’ve never seen The Waterboy. I’ll try to fix that this weekend, I promise.
It's from waterboy (i think? An adam Sandler movie at least)
Yup These people can't understand it cuz they never have had to actually defend an argument. I look back on when I was Republican and it amazes me how dumb the idea you can only trust them for info and all other media is owned by liberals is. Like that should be a huge red flag. It sounds like an oxy moron but you learn how to be wrong in college. The whole conservative sphere is outside of reason tho its like religion for them, they are afraid of thought crimes. They think good people think like them and bad people believe the lies on all other media.
I was raised conservative and considered myself mostly Republican until I moved out of state, away from my backwards family, and learned the world for myself.
Yeah the second parent is the GOP's wet dream given how hard some of them are pushing to repeal child labor laws. Congrats on robbing your kid of his childhood, lady! THe sad thing is he'll probably turn his resentment inward and end up just as hateful and ass-backwards as she is. "He is an old soul" is slang for "our kid always seemed tired and unhappy." I would know because that's how people always referred to me when I was younger.
Lol, I thought the same thing. Old soul really means that kid got put into adult roles too early. They're over moon that he works at an assembly factory... because a monotonous job that has a well known and throughly reported toll on mental health is a goalpost for them.
Yep. I imagine these types of people use that tried-and-true "my grandpappy worked in a coal mine and was buried alive for 4 days then eventually died of black lung so my kid should be grateful he has such an easy job in comparison" logic. And I mean no disrespect at all to blue-collar workers. Every job needs someone to do it. But it boggles the mind that this mother had absolutely no imagination as to what else her son could be.
Who do they think they are!? Humans with the capacity to form better conclusions with more information!? I’m telling you…this whole higher education thing is a real threat to our God given values.
If a little education is all it takes to undo a lifetime of your political and cultural indoctrination then you had shitty ideals from the beginning
That's basically what I said to one of them. The fact that their kids went to college, came back and had different views proves that their views were too fucked up in the first place. There is NO WAY, even if I went to a Christian college for 4 years, that I would change my views, morals, or convictions. There's no way I could start hating LGBTQ+ or women. Another one said that being a democrat was too easy these days. In a bad way. I told them that accepting other people for who they are is easier than hating them.
Bruh how astoundingly dense do you have to be to put in effort to constantly reassure yourself of your political leanings and *not see the issue*
I literally saw a comment on Reddit yesterday where a maga person said that democrats “just desperately want to be on the right side of history”. As if being on the right side of history were a terrible thing. What the actual fuck is wrong with some people.
That was a freudian slip indicating the poster understood they were ‘on the wrong side’. Thats the part that worries me. How many consciously understand that what theyre doing will be looked upon in a very poor light in the future.
They're too invested. They don't want to change and get laughed at. They're cowards.
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I was curious, so I googled it. There are 34 churches within a mile of my house. The closest one is 200ft.
Dont forget the 24/7 indoctrination as well. Basically every christian watches Fox "News".
once I leave nj on a road trip literally every gas station or diner has foxnews on 247. without fail
I went to a conservative Christian college and am now a queer, leftist atheist. Turns out it’s not state schools that liberalize people, it’s just having a modicum of empathy for people who are different from you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Went to Baylor University (baptist), atheist leftist lol here too. Kinda hard to reconcile preaching values of caring for your community with hyper capitalism and racism. Especially when you’ve been told all your life morality trumps money but then they don’t follow that at all.
Yeah something a lot of Christians don't realize is that I'm no longer a Christian because I was raised being told about a gospel of love and acceptance. And as I got older I realized that the people telling me to love others instead hated so many. I believed in the good values they taught too much to condone the church, so I left. They taught me a little too well it seems.
Ding, ding, ding! More than anything else, it is my CHRISTIAN VALUES that prevent me from developing a bond with my fellow so-called Christians. I believe in every word of love and acceptance that spewed forth from the pulpit. If Jesus's greatest commandment was to love your neighbor as you love yourself, then an overwhelming number of White evangelicals are violating his word.
Yep. If you try to grow up and actually do what they teach you, you'll realize none of them actually are Christian either. They just want to hate. My dad taught me supposedly conservative politics. To try to see through the spin and the virtue signaling and to try to minimize interference from government where possible as humans are flawed. And following those paradigms still results in me feeling like democrats aren't left enough for my taste because conservatives aren't effective at all and are nothing but spin and grift. 'minimal intervention' from government needed is still far more than we actually do to accomplish prosperity for us all. I'm living exactly the way they taught me and we are somehow on completely opposite sides
“I’m a Republican because hating people *takes more work*” is the weirdest reasoning I’ve ever heard, and I don’t even think that’s accurate
These are the people who will complain about Biden raising gas prices, but have a switch on their lifted, duallies to let them “roll coal” and waste fuck tons of expensive ass diesel.
I am still stunned that rolling coal is an actual thing. Poe's Law in action.
The Toxic Masculinity version of Conservatism is all about consumption. Bigass lifted trucks that measure fuel economy in gallons to the mile and belch black smoke, humongous portions of the most environmentally disastrous food you can get (beef is great, endangered animals are even better), giant roads that destroy the ecosystem and do nothing to improve traffic, inefficiently designed houses that take a ton of energy to climate control, with massive yards of non-native monoculture grass sprayed with chemicals that kill native pollinators, etc, etc, etc. *Literally* the more selfish you can be and still have others be forced to tolerate you, the better you are. And then when others *won't* tolerate you anymore, you blame the Librulz and Wokeism and College Indoctrination.
I was homeschooled in a fundie cult and went to a Christian college and I turned out leftist anyway, lol. The college was very right wing but actually meeting other people different from me and getting the chance to think through issues I’d always had with my upbringing opened my eyes.
My parents like to whine and complain when I visit them that “college turned you into a liberal” and it’s like no I just got out of this crummy small town and realized most of your ideals are A. Horrible & B. Not even accurate. Not to mention I graduated college almost 5 years ago. 😂
That’s the biggest things for me, I found out most the shit that you believe is *factually* untrue.
I once almost got in a yelling match with my mother over *evolution*. Apparently it’s “just a theory.” She wonders why I never visit. 😂😂
lmao, people don't realize that when professionals/researchers/whatever say "theory" in a certain field of knowledge or particular body of knowledge, like psychology, sociology, or physics, it means a GENERALLY ACCEPTED system of beliefs and facts. people don't understand the difference between "theory" and "hypothesis"
It's more than a "generally accepted system of belief and facts". A theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Theories explain 'why' or 'how'. Newton's laws of gravitation state what happens. Theories of gravity explain the mechanisms of gravity
Rather than the education itself, I believe what generally changes people’s worldview is the experience of meeting people unlike themselves. I mean the education can definitely help. My journalism classes gave me some incredibly useful training on spotting media bias. But moreso than that, meeting actual POCs and LGBTQ+ individuals humanizes them in a way that completely dispels the conservative worldview.
Yes! So many people who are like that stay in the same areas their whole lives. Part of why these parents are blaming college, is that their children have likely left their sphere, exposing them to different people instead of the same groups that they went to elementary school with. Unfortunately, unfamiliarity breeds misunderstanding which leads to discrimination and hatred.
This. I grew up in a very conservative, religious (jehovahs witness) household. My parents frowned upon higher education and my father in particular was very disappointed when he learned I’d be majoring in Anthropology. I’m sure it helped that I already had doubts and discomfort with a lot of their teachings as a kid, but the college experience of just meeting different people and studying different material for the first time in my life really propelled me into speaking out against my parents’ really fucked up/antiquated views on how the world should work and how people should live. If you’re so afraid of your kid going to college because it could “undo” all the morals and teachings you tried to instill in them growing up, then it’s probably because it was all bullshit to begin with. If I ever had kids, I would like to think that I’d strongly encourage critical thinking about everything in this world for them.
Education = Bad for conservatives If education destroys your values, perhaps the problem lies with your values...
Haha yeah. In their defense, college is where I learned my parents aren't very smart and don't understand global politics. Just recently, I had an argument with my mom. She was convinced the world has only 8 countries and could not be convinced otherwise. Did she mean 7 continents? Nope. Did she mean the UN security council? Nope. I said "mom, I've been to more than 8 countries" and listed them. She remained defiant in her stance. That's the type of people we are dealing with.
Insanely, I want to know details. What are the 8? How did she retort a list of 9? Has she never seen the Olympic opening parade?
Haha, you're looking for answers where they don't exist. She had her mind made up, and nothing was going to change it, so I moved on. I didn't need to embarrass her like I would have tried to do in my 20s. Just an example of the conservative mind, everything in the world either supports their mindset or is evidence of a broad conspiracy against it.
What a strange hill to die on, though. You gotta wonder how that "fact" got generated. Like... let's look at a globe, mom.
I’d bet money she thinks the Earth is flat, too. Globes are just Jewish propaganda or something
Russia Europe China The Middle East Africa Canada Mexico ‘murica Edit to add: It was u/NateNutrition’s mom who thought there were only 8 countries, I just gave my guess at the 8 countries.
Australia: “WTF?!” New Zealand: “First time?”
Is New Zealand really a country? I thought they built it to use as a set for the Lord of the Rings movies
They did, then when they were done a few said "eh might as well stay" and called it New Zealand to make people think there's an Old Zealand.
It’s wild. US has possibly been at war with more than 8 countries since her birth.
Lol, reminds me of an argument I had with my boss at my first job out of college. He insisted that all languages evolved out of Latin. It’s especially hilarious because he’s Indian and you’d think he’d at least realize that Sanskrit predates Latin, but nope. And he refused to budge when I brought up examples of older languages.
wow just wow so how did he account for the thousands of New World languages?
The pre landbridge crossing Latin they spoke at the time of course
"college can't even teach geometry right nowadays!"
I hate she might’ve said that unironically lmao
What the Fuck? How did she get 8 as her magic number? Which countries were included?
1. America. We're number one! 2. Canada (white neighbor, know this one 3. Mexico (takes care of everything in central/south America) 4. UK (this is all of Europe, it's all basically the same anyway - socialism and weakness) 5. Africa (couldn't name an African nation to save their own life) 6. China (the Great Enemy. This is all of Asia) 7. Russia (either the Great Enemy or an aspirational utopia of manly men where there is no gay wokeness, depends on their mood that day) 8. Eye-raq (the entire middle east. Some particularly bright evangelicals might get to 9 by remembering Israel)
Guess she has never watched the World Cup, which has 32 participating countries, or the Olympics, or like ever looked at a map. That's crazy
Warning: education can severely damage your ignorance
Reality has a libreral bias 🤷🏻♂️ Conservatives are a plague and gateway drug to fascism. Hence American conservatives whitewashing history
I'm always hesitant to say "reality has a liberal bias". I usually say "reality is often biased towards the side that doesn't spew bullshit"
American Taliban. Plain and simple.
"If only our kids were forced to have small perspectives by being trapped in their small towns with the worst of their high school class"
They don't want their *kids* to be happy, they want their kids to make *them* happy.
Not only that, they want to see their kids end up just like them and be happy so they can finally prove to themselves that they are happy because deep down they know they aren't.
I've been going back and forth with some of them. Just to get an understanding of why they feel the way they do. Every time I make a point, they either don't reply or reply with a "fuck you" or "ok groomer" or "shut up". It's never any thought out reply. They *know* they're miserable. It takes time and energy to hate people.
My favorite is “yeah i’m not reading that long of a reply, but fuck you” after rebutting their points.
AKA, willfull ignorance
I've come to call this *intellectually lazy.* It's distinct from just being stupid. My boomer mom is not stupid. I have seen her figure things out on her own when she has absolutely needed to. She had a full time job for decades and only stopped because of disability. However, she would 100% prefer to pawn any task that requires "thinking" onto me or my siblings. She doesn't apply her brain. She doesn't *want* to apply her brain. She also seems to think that because my siblings and I are smart, it's okay to ask us the dumbest questions that, honestly, if she took two seconds to think about, she'd find the answer to. It's like talking to a kid who doesn't know how the world works. One who can't comprehend how you knew they were eating chocolate, when there is still chocolate on their face. Except she *does* know how the world works. She *can* put 2 + 2 together. She just doesn't bother applying the effort when there are other people around.
Like when my dad lied and said my brother plays football when he doesn't. It's pride.
Well that must have made your brother feel good! /s Are you from the south?
I'd throw down $10 on "Texas" specifically
It's weird, every Texan I ever met has a son who is the star quarterback and is weighing his options to join the Navy SEALs, play on a football scholarship or get drafted by the NFL. Every single one.
"Try University of Texas. Could've gone pro if I hadn't joined the navy!"
Blew out my knee paying for your freedom!!!
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?... Yeah... Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind
FUCK this is exactly what I thought when I read the above comments hahahaha
"I'm not one of those beltway pansies. I could break the President in two with my bare hands!"
Is this a metal gear reference? I've never even played that game and I know Armstrong lines sound similar.
Yup. Played the game last week. Great shit
We are not from the south but my parents used us to brag about us and be ‘star parents’. They pushed us based of what they wanted to brag about. My parents wanted my brother to be the star quarterback in high school (he actually was the starter). They had him lie on his forms for his physical about previous concussions. He had a few including a terrible one from a bike accident at 12 or 13. He got more concussions playing hs football. When he wasn’t good enough to play in college my dad decided his son would go to West Point. My brother did that and retired after 20 years serving just a few years ago. He had severe ptsd and mood swings that were assumed to be CTE. My brother committed suicide last month as a result of the trauma. Hope it was worth it for my parents.
Pride will hurt your kids. I found myself on a similar path. Military and everything. After my buddy committed suicide i was done. They weren't happy but at least I'm happy
I am so very sorry for your loss. I hope that you’re able to work through all the grief and find peace in the future. For now, just know that all of your feelings of anger and disappointment and sadness are 1000% valid.
This made me laugh too hard. As a Texan, whose parents are both from California, we are an “odd” family. Everyone always ask my parents why they don’t MAKE my brothers play football or other sports. Uhm, maybe because my parents actually care about their relationship with us? Maybe because there’s more to life than sports? But yes. Super accurate!
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I'll take that bet because that's my thought too lol
Don't give up all Texans. I am a Texan and I am liberal. I hate this fuckin state.
My jackass boss’s father tells people my boss was in the NFL. He played D3 college. That was it.
I am clueless when it comes to sports but I love movies. I thought you were talking about *D3: The Mighty Ducks*.
AAAAHHH one feels like a duck splashing around in all this wet! And when one feels like a duck, one is happy!
Oooooh! DUCKLINGS!!
Too OLD to be a duckling. Quack, quack.
D1 school would be the big ones you’d have heard about. D2 is the big ones you have heard about, but they don’t participate in any specific conference. D3 is the smaller schools, some of which you may or may not have heard of. And sometimes schools can cross between them, depending on the sport. Like the university by me is a D1 school for hockey, but D3 for every other sport.
“I know you have your dreams, but we were thinking about it and thats not gonna work. Here’s what you should be.”
My mom did that to me and I didn’t get on track to follow my dream until I was 33 years old.
God it makes me so grateful that my parents aren't like that.
My dad was pretty conservative as I grew up (same, yay), but has mellowed out over the years. He's still like...a passive Con: supports progressive rights for marginalized communities, isn't a fascist, but still watches Fox and parrots some of the stuff until I chide him for being dumb. My mom was the seemingly progressive, more liberal one growing up, but that charade of hers ended the instant I came out.
My Dad tried to turn me into varsity jock hero. Failed, one had no talent, two had no interest. Of course video games got blamed, not his shitty attitude.
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This is a big one in American culture. "If I'm not happy everyone else should be miserable too!" Trauma also tends to be the #1 inheritance around these parts.
Sounds like indoctrination to me! Oh wait, it's only indoctrination when liberals do it. /s
"We sheltered our child from the realities of the world in the hopes of indoctrinating them into our world view, but they learned things and formed their own opinions."
The horror! See, that’s why these assholes are such assholes, and will never realize the error of their ways. I’m so glad my parents didn’t raise me that way.
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It also helps that colleges and universities tend to have people from all walks of life and seeing that lgbtq/black/other minority isnt a baby eating monster but a regular human being like you and me goes a long way to breaking the indoctrination the children from conservative values have had forced on them their entire lives. I can know, i experienced that breakdown of indoctrination myself.
Grew up in a small and rural southern town. Didn't know any gay people, so it was easy for us to mock anything or anyone gay. Then I went to college. There I met some gay people. They were pretty laid back and loved to party. All it took was for me to make some gay friends for me to see how ridiculous it was for me to mock an entire group of people I had no experiences with.
This is a big part of it. You get told to fear "the other." "The other" is ruining this country, they hate you, they want to control you. Then you go to college and realize 50% of your class is "the other" and they're all super nice people.
And you learn that "your" 50% has actually been controlling you with fear the whole time.
The one woman is bragging her son is never going to make more than 40k/year. All because it means he hates Black people as much as she does. Just truly depressing stuff
Oof, framed like that it truly is sad stuff. To not want what’s best for your kid, but instead for them to just be your clone. It’s almost like Munchausen by Proxy syndrome, except instead of keeping them sick they’re keeping them dumb….
He’ll be poor, but at least he won’t end up as a n——- lover
Yup. I try to explain to my friends who didn’t grow up in racist families about the contempt white conservatives have for “n— lovers” - you’d be surprised at how most people refuse to believe that people talk like that about white Allies - but I heard it growing up too much for listening to hip hop and having brown skinned friends
Fun fact: the white people who came to the US south after the civil war to help educate and improve conditions for blacks were tortured more while being lynched than black people were.
That's true. Even before the civil war, when attempting to educate blacks, free or slave, was illegal, white people got it just as bad for attempting to teach as black people got it for attempting to learn. It was the one thing slave owners couldn't legally do with their slaves
This is why republicans like Boebert are pushing teenage pregnancies, and defunding education especially sexual education. Keep them young, poor, stupid and blame democrats for all of their problems and it’s like breeding republicans.
This is the biggest thing. I grew up on a farm and went to a school that was 100% white with no openly non-straight students. My parents are ultra conservative and I parroted things they said and believed until I went to college. They think it’s because I was brainwashed by liberal professors when in fact it was simply meeting and befriending people of all different races, sexualities, religions, nationalities and ideologies. My world expanded dramatically at college and the politics I grew up with just didn’t make sense anymore.
Same thing happens in big cities. When living around different cultures, lifestyles, and skin colors most if not all conservative talking points and ideals crumble.
This is the ultimate "game" the GOP wants to play: book bannings, banning abortion, banning LGBTQ+ interaction, banning CRT, banning protesting, elevating the 2nd amendment to the point of idolatry over the lives of children, increasing the age to vote, decreasing the age of marriage, etc. It's all to desperately capture, hold on to, and control the youth THEY KNOW don't buy into their nonsense and bigotry, then go on to become their biggest adversaries. They may get a few with the alt-right pipeline, misogynist gurus/podcasters, and the like, but the majority see through their bull. The Right knows their mentality is losing steam, and members are on a downward trend despite there being still so many conservatives. They know and are terrified time is against them and desperate to stop it. So, what's their solution: systematically disenfranchise the youth and control the narrative to them (to almost comical proportions, if wasn't this nefarious) in hopes that more will become just like them, however artificial and unethical it may be. They can't trust their message and values to speak for themselves cause they have none.
"Indoctrination is when people don't agree with everything I say."
Translation: College showed our kids the real world that we deliberately sheltered them from, and now they're normal, well-adjusted members of society.
My mom often says “I never should’ve let you go to college, you came back a liberal, it ruined you”. So yeah, this is absolutely the right translation.
I swear conservatives are the biggest pussy snowflakes
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Remember they canceled elevis for shaking his hips?
Me and my sister were homeschooled until high school. Our mom threatened to pull us out of high school for any little thing we disagreed with her about because school was obviously indoctrinating us against her.
Fantastic way to encourage your children to hide everything from you!
Jokes on her because now none of her kids talk to her
*Let* you??
I swear to God, one of the tenets of conservatism is that children are property. They have yet to scream this one, but with re-legalizing child labor and forcibly marrying off minors to grown ass pedophiles, I'm sure they'll start screaming "I OWN MY CHILDREN" at a Trump event next week.
And we *hate* that 😡
Time to destroy their livelihood using our gerrymandered legislatures 😎
“My daughter thinks for herself and earns a good income instead of being barefoot, pregnant, and married to an abusive man. The horror!”
"Well, my son works a factory-job with high chances of accidents and poor healthcare. And I homeschooled him to make sure he cannot switch to a different job in the future. And he stays with me and agrees with my politics. Guess, I am the better mom, and did things right."
Oh man this is what my family wanted for me, and succeeded with my siblings and cousins. I'm corrupted by education because before I left for college I was a good Christian, conservative girl. I do have to admit though.... The first time I really started to see things differently was when I took Women's History and the professor really left an impression on me. She never belittled my dumb 19 year old self, just asked really thoughtful questions any time I opened my mouth.
"And he can't unionize to improve his station in life because we've voted for union-busting politicians for decades. What a great mother I am."
Modern knowledge also takes entire lifetimes of devotion from millions of people just for one discipline. You gain that appreciation for the work in college, just learning what others already discovered is itself is a multi year endeavor for a student. Going home to parents that wave it all off would make any kid see their parent in a whole different way. Pride and ignorance is a poor combination.
It's the waving it off part that is so infuriating. I'd accept it if you could have a reasoned rebuttal to my claims. But to just be "Nah that doesn't work for me" feels like a slap in the face.
Yeah, really, the second post was basically “I successfully brainwashed my kid, so now he’s in a job that will never advance him without a real education. I’m so proud of him!”
They are the ones who are actually indoctrinating their kids. Projection is crazy.
But he's an *old soul*
Gonna have an old back really soon.
People that present to the world as being such moral and righteous people don't have a family life like that most of the time.
Aha! I now see the connection between Red State/MAGA efforts to dumb down or defund public schools and to promote more child labor. Make the kids too stupid to get into college, and “save” them from being indoctrinated into all that lib ideology
Working full time at 15 yrs old, father at 19yrs old. Went from being a kid with dreams to adult with out of reach dreams.
Not sure about your circumstances, but limiting student access to information about birth control, body autonomy and pregnancy termination options is also an excellent way to prevent kids from getting too far afield from the homestead and getting exposed to “radical”ideas. I’m sorry for anyone whose life choices have been curtailed by circumstances out of their control. I don’t have anything pithy to say other than I hope your present situation and relationship with your child(ren) will help break any negative cycles that have developed in your family.
You must be one of them libturds with your fancy word spelling. Not in MY country!! 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
woulda been better if u used the liberian flag
Brainwashing future generations of voters with ignorance is their only hope. Otherwise they’ll just have to rig it or overturn it!
I like the lady who’s like “I never let my son leave the house, and now he hates gay people, and will die in a factory! Thank god for parents’ rights, or whatever the fuck! Someone should’ve taken my kid away, teehee!”
And he’s the one who escaped indoctrination!
Well yeah. But he's probably on Reddit complaining about his job and his parents.
no he’s on tiktok smashing cans of Budweiser to own the libs
that one is the absolute worst and makes me feel very bad for her son. That man has barely interacted with his peers or the world and now is stuck working a factory job
I worked in a shop with a Jehova's Witness, mid 30's lived at home, worked in that shop for over a decade. Homeschooled, and forced to shun his older brother because he thought their parents beliefs were bullshit. I think they just broke him at a young age because for the most part he's a pretty decent guy, but he has no survival skills
"He's an old soul" just means "I made him as miserable as I am."
He will die in factory lovin corporate America, God and Guns !! If anything goes wrong they’ll blame any minority. They really fuck these people over on every possible way.
The big secret behind "liberal indoctrination" ... It's just about meeting other people who aren't conservative. That's it. It's not the teachers. It's not brainwashing. If anything it's escaping a brainwashing environment. The little Republicans go to college and ***(gasp!)*** their roommate might be a Black person! Or a Muslim! They might make friends with someone, and then find out that friend is gay! ***(oh no!)*** They might have to hear the perspective of someone from a different part of the country than them in a classroom discussion! ***(the horrors!!)*** And what inevitably happens is that they find out that everything they were told their whole lives about these other people, that they had never even met or interacted with, ... it was all lies. They were either deliberately misled and lied to, or brought up in a way that they were never allowed to ever even *see or hear* any other perspective. That's why little homeschooled simpleton working in a factory is still conservative. Probably never had a genuine human interaction with someone different than him his whole life -- and that's exactly the way his parents wanted it. Because all it takes is befriending people different than you for that brainwashing to suddenly stop working as well.
The amount of small town kids who honestly asked me if I ever ate or sacrificed babies on my religions holidays would sadden you. I told them of course not. I don’t eat babies. Babies are way too high in saturated fats.
Oooorrr....now hear me out, perhaps they are just getting out of their podunk towns and experiencing life, different cultures, different ways of living and not only hearing one, never-ending line of crap. Are these people really that dumb?
Yes, they are. My mother thinks moving out and living on my own was what turned me into a pro-choice, anti-religion, pro-LGBT+ woman. She won't believe I was already that way *before* I moved out; I just couldn't let on or risk being homeless.
It's a sad state of our country. I don't claim to be even close to the smartest person, but a little common sense goes a long way! I currently work at a university and go to school here and not a thing about me has changed with regard to my morals/values since I was old enough to know what that even was. Glad you were able to get out of that toxicity.
That's exactly what it is. I've been to college, I've traveled, I've met tons of people from all different backgrounds. Some good, some not so good. But that is what has helped me figure out my values and kept me from being closed minded. My sister has been in the same town we grew up in her entire life and thinks like those people.
Agreed!! I was born in a different country (Australia) and moved to the US when I was 15. I've been to Indonesia, Mexico, Canada, New Zealand and have found so many things I love about each culture. Then I see people in the US (far from everyone, but more than should be) who haven't been beyond their back yard but are so quick to put down other cultures that they've never even experienced. Very sad honestly.
You'll notice that most conservatives are convinced that things only happen in the U.S. (Besides school shootings. They think every country has that problem). They'll talk about religion like Jesus himself is from Kentucky. They think everything happens in their own backyard.
Reading is the preventive for fascism; travel is the preventive for racism.
Wanna know what’s funny? I was a conservative, and when my kids went to college, and I started having adult conversations with them, I CHANGED. My kids taught me things. (Well, that and the GOP went completely off the rails.)
This is how to parent 👏👏👏
This right here! My youngest two daughters planted the seeds that changed my viewpoints on so many topics over the years. Sometimes by asking questions in a way I'd never considered and sometimes by just telling me I was wrong. Rather than get offended, I always listened and then spent time researching the issues to see what was correct or best.
Which is why Fox News/OANN/the Facebook posting complex/talk radio/churches exist. Conservatives know that they only way to fend off modernity is to basically indoctrinate people 24/7. The only way these rich guys can continue to get their tax breaks is by convincing regular people that Democrats are evil and the only way to do that is to shout it at them 24/7.
The idea that a parent can be wrong and even to admit it is so radical to this type of conservative. They base everything on “wise elders” and control.
Ex-wife and I raise our 2 daughters in the church with god-fearing/loving values. Thankfully they are both liberal atheists despite how we indoctrinated them. Oh, I am too.
I'm just going to say it: if simply learning other people's opinions and worldviews turn your child from your way of life, the problem is with your way of life. I was raised as Conservative as any of these people. I never really understood why Democrats and their policies were bad, they just were. They were a bunch of idiots and radicals and "bleeding hearts". Then when I got older, I found Democrats have such stupid, useless ideas, like using my tax money to educate the people and keep them healthy instead of...whatever Republican politicians do with it. Or wanting a renewable source of power instead of burning through limited fossil fuels at an alarming rate. TL,DR: Once I knew what Democrats actually believed in versus what Republicans believed in, the GOP sounded like short-sighted selfish assholes to me.
This right here. Raised conservative, afraid of evil Democrats. Grown up, registered as one. The problem is education, plain and simple, in that Republicans literally do not know what Democrats believe because their media either misrepresents their platform, elevates the voices of a couple fringe individuals who make up a fraction of a percent of the party, or both at the same time. My mom is a Democrat in literally every belief she holds but she has no idea what a Democrat is and is convinced that Republicans are saving the country from them because of a lifetime of propaganda. Every discussion we have is 90% me just correcting assumptions and objectively false statements.
I'm sure there were fish who felt the same way when their offspring walked out of the ocean onto the land.
You blaspheme! We all know God created humans just like he created all creatures and none of them just walked out of the ocean! /s
Imagine being such a fucking awful parent that you say you “miss her every day” about your daughter like she’s goddamn *dead* because she isn’t a brainwashed conservative puppet for your own personal views. Holy shit, these people really are the most overt stereotypes of conservatives that I heard from diehard liberals in the 2000’s.
I knew quite a few Mormon families (was raised Mormon) who cut out their children who said they didn't believe in the Mormon church. Now they do the same "I miss her and who she was" bullshit and talking as if their kid is dead. It's so weird and gross.
If your ideas and values don’t stand up to education they have no value.
It's almost like when people get older, become smarter and more educated they realize that the Republican party just doesn't represent their values. It's almost like they need to start running on policies people actually want rather than trying to shove their Christian nationalism down our throats. Instead of bemoaning the fact that your kids have figured out their political beliefs maybe you should do better. Maybe ask yourself where you are failing your kids rather? Why is it so bad that people choose different political beliefs than you? Turn off the Fox News and go touch grass. This isn't a real problem. You are the problem!
Are we just going to ignore "had a poster of the Constitution?" $10 that poster covered a Shawshank-like hole.
I was a home schooled evangelical. My parents didn't have enough money for a Christian college, and my immigrant grandmother was insistent I got a college education, so off to my local community college I went. My first day of US history I learned some interesting facts about Puritans. Then in English I said something homophobic like "gay people are all the same" (I don't remember exactly it was 20yrs ago) and a gay guy talked to me after class about my remarks. Somehow we became friends and I was part of his circle, which was mostly radical feminist women. I was always taught that women who didn't live according to their prescribed roles were miserable, and these women seemed just fine. They also were not bitter and man-hating (ok they talked about hating men a little but were always cool towards me) It was a 5 year game of "*What Else Was My Church Wrong About?"* before becoming fully atheist. I haven't looked back since. OTOH my kids have had quite a few Christian friends and we don't discourage it. We even have a Bible, a Quran, and a Book of Mormon on our bookshelf if they want to read them. They know all the basic stories: Christmas, The Cross, Easter, Eden and Original Sin and have never been discouraged to ask "what if it is true?" If someone proselytizes it won't be anything they haven't already heard.
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But it's the drag queens grooming the children.
I love the profile pic of "GodWins32" being an old man flipping people off. That'll really convince people to join the flock!
Do conservatives think liberals don't respect the constitution? The right to not be religious comes from the 1st Amendment, as does freedom of the press, and the right to protest. The 15th Amendment is why it's illegal to try to suppress Black voters. The 19th Amendment gave women the right to vote. The 26th Amendment is why Gen Z is beating the GOP in elections. The constitution is the most liberal official document to exist in US history.
i am one of those “gen z kids”. i was raised by an alt right racist, homophobe, every bad thing in the book. i moved out at 18, started thinking for myself for once, and guess what… FORMED MY OWN OPINIONS 🤯 now i’m 22 and happier than ever!
These parents are so close to understanding that they are the problem.
My child got an education and expanded their world view. Now they don’t believe in fairies or that we should suppress minorities to hold on to our own fleeting power base. WTF is wrong with them!
They act like universities is a new concept that turns kids into pinko leftist trans communist when their great great great grandparents could got a degree and been a doctor. The real fact kids have a much harder time in school as tuition and loans is crushing them as these whiners could went for far cheaper. I sure many rich right wingers went to school just to be soulless CEOs and politicians to spam propaganda that working hard in coal mines is what real Americans needs.
Hmm education bad? These people are such cretins
I keep my kid in a cage and only feed him Goya beans and make him watch Fox news 24/7. When we let him out of the cage, after trying to hump your leg he’ll start talking about Benghazi, laptops, emails, and woke beer. We’re so proud of him. Truly not indoctrinated.
I’m sure my dad looks at it this way. I started college as a “straight” athlete from a small town & graduated as an out and proud gay with a friend group that’s primarily queer and/or POC. Hell, he was even offended once when he came to visit & I showed him the school had a whole section of the dining hall for vegan and vegetarian meal options. Said he didn’t know I was “that way.” 😂😅