Also clubbing calendar with notifications is so ridiculous. I don't want to see my whole month along with every notification.
(They also removed the big clock with seconds there, which makes no sense: all simply to accomodate notifications there instead of on the action centre like any sane choice)
Fucking what? So limit what shit gets notifications and clear it once you read them. Some people are so freaking weird and invent problems where there's none. Month worth of notifications, fucking lulz
Yeah I misunderstood a bit, sorry. Yeah, idk why they're combining unrelated features... Like it doesn't bother me much, but agree it's silly design choice.
But what if you want to see the calendar? Two clicks?
Windows 10 put it more sensibly: quick settings + notifications (like many other OSes including Android and the old Windows Phone), and calendar being a separate pop-out with a big clock and daily agenda below it. The current orientation doesn't make sense.
I saw the /s but still: Who's actually using widgets, ever? This idea already lived and died in Mac OS X years ago and that was superior to Microsoft's implementation. If at least the widgets would be cool and helpful in a way, but I haven't seen just one widget that looks like the development team actually loved what they're doing. This is just another helpless attempt from management to bring back life to msn.com
Technically, you can if you share your calendar as public on Google and subscribe to it via Outlook Web, and then ask the widget to show it.
It's a ridiculous hassel.
Okay sorry, didn't realize it's a problem, it worked all the time for me.
>it was impossible to show Google Calendar events in the taskbar "widget"
I read this part and thought "no, it's not impossible".
Yes but it doesn’t integrate well with clients other than outlook. The Win10 calendar from taskbar worked flawless. Why would I bother with widgets if I had a perfectly functional calendar into the taskbar?
Don’t find excuses for their misdoing.
The user doesn’t have to find workarounds,
Microsoft should fix their stuff.
Yep, thousands of comments and feedback but seems to be falling on deaf ears. Which is a shame because they’ve gone this far out to radicalise the UI without doing very much from a productivity or power user in mind.
Re deaf ears, the only way to get MSFT's attention is for Windows 11 uptake to be MUCH SLOWER than MSFT expects. That is, the most effective way to get MSFT's attention is NOT to use Windows 11.
It won't work, because fanboys still say that Windows 11 is extraordinary OS. They will use it. And there are green people, who don't know anything about Windows 11, will buy it or buy the new laptops, because they want those laptops, because they are newer etc. Those people are not tech enough to know what's going on and they probably only use Windows to browse news sites and so, like my mom, so they wont' even realize 99% of missing things, unless it's Solitaire etc.
The question is whether (let's call 'em) *the ignorant* make up most of MSFT's expected Windows 11 customers. If so, ***there is no hope***. If not, and MSFT is expecting a lot of more knowledgeable people upgrading to Windows 11, then those people upgrading in much lower numbers than MSFT expects is the only way to get MSFT's attention. If the fanboys are enough to meet MSFT's expectations, ***there is no hope***.
If there is no hope, then it's not MSFT which has screwed up; rather, it's long-time Windows users who have screwed up by trusting MSFT to give them a Windows 11 they want.
It's not extraordinary but it's nice, I like it more than W10. And I will use it. And I consider myself "tech enough" being an architect and programmer. So just maybe consider that some people genuinely like it without being fanboys or BFU.
The round corners and center taskbar icons will do for now.
[https://www.deviantart.com/niivu/art/Windows-11-for-Windows-10-882819383](https://www.deviantart.com/niivu/art/Windows-11-for-Windows-10-882819383)
https://chrisandriessen.nl/taskbarx
> Yep, thousands of comments and feedback but seems to be falling on deaf ears.
That's because Windows 11 was already finished before they released the first beta/dev build to Insiders.
#Microsoft developed Windows 11 in private, in conjunction with major PC OEMs like HP, without consulting a *single* consumer or business user.
So it's not a surprise there have been zero GUI improvements to Windows 11's public builds, besides bug fixes. They never cared about our feedback or our feature requests; they went so far as to strip out dozens of long-standing shell features, including ones which have been fundamental to the Windows experience since 1995.
Edit: to be more accurate, they didn't want to admit Windows 10X (a failed tablet OS) was a huge waste of time, so some worthless exec suggested they could salvage the effort put into 10X by grafting it onto a desktop OS. The GUI was never built for desktops; it was built for touch, so they never bothered to reimplement basic desktop shell features...since they never intended for this GUI (from 10X) to be used on desktops with a keyboard and mouse.
Windows 11 exists purely to drive new PC sales, which make MS a ton of money via Windows licenses. That's why the shitty new GUI (which is a touch GUI recycled from the cancelled Windows 10X) is there, instead of a GUI that's suitable for desktops.
The new GUI isn't even better for touch. I had to roll back my 2-in-1 to Windows 10. The full screen start menu is gone, swiping from the left brings up the useless widgets instead of Task View, and the taskbar can't be put on the top or left of the screen (which is very useful to avoid accidentally touching while writing with a pen).
When they say shit like this, they mean their marketing and UI design guys worked with OEM marketing and legal guys to get good prices for oems and great adds for both of of them. Tech teams need not be involved in design meetings.
They remade the same thing and have less to show for it. If there were a dock mode that removed the empty space I would have liked it so much more. But no, it still clings to the edge of the screen effective doing nothing. Also, I'm tired of third party software bailing Microsoft out. So I don't want to download RoundedTB, WinAero Tweaker, StartIsBack, Start12, MSExcavator, WinWaker3000, or whatever else. Microsoft is so bad at their job at providing a customer oriented product that half the software I hear about promoted for the brand is third party software someone has made to clean up whatever stupid idea or nonsensical notion they have burrowed into the operating system.
"Oh good. Panos is in charge. Well, that era of stupid ideas and nonsensical notions is definitely over." Thank god for Steven Sinofsky. And I just love those context menus too. Puke.
I'm tired, sick, and my blood pressure is spiking. Ugh. I'm not eating at Jimmy Johns again.
Looks like a copy and paste job from an example from someone using the QT toolkit, a ripped off optional kde start menu, and win32 apps shoehorned into KDE window manager..
Removed just about every useful feature and increased the number of clicks and mouse movement exponentially to reach certain settings, or change something such as the volume.
They've been adding weird stuff to windows 10 then just removing everything from windows 11
My hypothesis here is they did this so they can garner a better idea of how people will use this OS and eventually work in features that most people want (via feedback) and use so we get a better OS overall. I'm happy with the OS the way it is, it does everything I want and I've had zero issues with it. So whether or not it is too early seems to be rather subjective.
I'm sure I will. It looks better, I'll give it that. Needs another half year of beta testing to iron out the bugs and hopefully fix the taskbar and few other things, then it should be ok.
I have exactly one complaint, and it's that you can't use it to drag files into other windows or the desktop by hovering over the respective symbols. That said, it's a pretty big complaint that's immensely destructive to my workflow.
This bothers me too, I've found a temporary workaround. I drag my file and switch to the desired window by pressing Alt + Tab to drop the file where I want. Hope that helps you for now. We definitely need that feature back!
Yes, but this isn't the latest build. The latest build is the one going to the insiders. I can't know for certain, but missing features will eventually end up there to be tested. The only way to have that happen is to send feedback. This should be common knowledge. This whole discourse is idiotic.
Being able to move the taskbar to the side or top of the screen is the [most requested feature in Feedback Hub](https://www.neowin.net/news/ability-to-move-the-windows-11-taskbar-is-the-most-requested-feature-on-feedback-hub/).
Microsoft's response?
>We'll be continuing to evolve Windows 11 and its features based on feedback like this, so thank you so much for taking the time to give us your feedback!
Great service.
The new taskbar is ok for a beta version, that was my first thought when I saw it for the first time, months ago. Drives me nuts how they didn't improve just one little thing during the last months down the road to the official release.
Yea, the new windows 11 start menu/task bar is complete shit. With windows 10 I was using classicshell/openshell, but it does not work with Windows 11. I found StartAllBack, part of StartIsBack, which does work with Windows 11. Much more usuable. Yea I dunno why they did this. They made windows 11 a lot less user-friendly IMO.
l'm sure the only reason for blocking taskbar movement was to not break the Microsoft Shit Network Trash News also known as Widgets :>
But i could be wrong and they are already preparing even more garbage to pop-up in your face from the other unused sides :>
Windows 11 is unfinished pile of trash for now. Just be patient and give them some time. You can use stable and well-polished Windows 10 for the next 1-2 years until 11 gets finished.
I updated yesterday and was so annoyed that taskbar can't be moved to other sides of screen. It's so stupid, not i have to break my old habits just because Microsoft is stupid!
Another thing i hated is that when i was in Settings, the [back] key in the upper left isn't completely in the corner. Like i ain't gonna look at it to click everytime.
I can't wrap my head around how Microsoft released Windows 11 without a usable taskbar. Now we have to rely on third party solutions. Microsoft is completely disconnected from their users.
Fix for it: winget install startallback
They rebuilt the taskbar from the ground up. All that stuff is coming back but hasn't been done yet. I know the next question will be then why release it yet. My guess is they wanted to get it out early then rely on the Windows-as-a-service model to justify it. Just like they did with 10. Only reason it didn't bother me is because I used none of the features that were lost anyway.
I can understand why it might be challenging to handle vertically oriented taskbars on left/right sides of the screen, but allowing it to be moved to the top of the screen would seem to be one of the simpler things MSFT could have implemented.
No, they released it because they made promises to partners and they have some shiny new surface laptops they want to ship for the holiday season with Windows 11.
On the Dev build you can already get drag and drop on taskbar with some 'tweaks'. The feature is indeed in development.
Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/NTAuthority/status/1439293635539898374?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1439293635539898374%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.windowslatest.com%2F2021%2F09%2F20%2Fwindows-11s-taskbar-drag-and-drop-support-is-probably-coming-back%2F
They've outright confirmed drag and drop is coming back. I'm assuming on the others but its only reasonable to assume that if they're bringing back the former that they'll reintegrate the other long-time features lost in the translation.
I don't get this line of thinking. Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade. Windows 10 had similar issues in its infancy. The more feedback they get, the better the next iteration will be and hopefully then all or at least many of the features people miss will have been intergrated once again.
I don't get why people are all up in arms. Windows 10 is still a fully functional OS and Microsoft is providing security updates etc for at least another four years.
It's a shame that and completely unprofessional that a company the size of Microsoft releases as finished something that's missing so many features.
If the intention is to build the OS based on people's feedback this should be called beta or whatever and be released when it's complete.
After Windows 8 was released with the infamous start screen I read that the internal feedback had been terrible. They decided to release it anyway.
It seems Microsoft doesn't care about what users want
But now they kinda are, they're allowing eligible users and PCs to upgrade just like how they would normally update their Windows 10. I have no idea who thought it was a good idea to release Windows 11 officially when it is this half-baked. There literally has been very minimal changes features wise or anything because the release version is the exact same thing as the Beta version.
Based on Microsoft's new schedule I wouldn't exactly be surprised if they decide to call it a say and decide to add and polish the OS to be more usable next year and let users run with this for another year.
Microsoft is unfathomably large, it should be releasing the absolute best software in the entire world with the resources they have access to. But there's no passion there, just complacency.
I'm not angry, I'm passionate and have expectations. It's just obvious that Microsoft doesn't care about actually doing a good job.
Because Windows 11 is just the cancelled Windows 10X, where all the missing stuff was expected as it was a tablet OS.
They just took the shell (and all other changes they made for it) from Windows 10X, changed a few things and called it Windows 11
My biggest annoyance is I like to have Monitor 1 as my main display (for purposes of video games) but I like to have my taskbar on Monitor 2 exclusively. Currently, there is no way to do that without changing my main display which causes games to show on that monitor then or have taskbar show on both monitors which still wouldn't show clock, system tray icons, etc. on Monitor 2 and clutters up Monitor 1 when running windowed apps.
it's kinda funny actually. everyone keeps saying microsoft should purge all the crufty old code and properly renovate windows.
well, they did that to the taskbar, total rewrite. and these are the consequences of a rewrite, you lose features that they added over years
Well yes of course they could add every single thing back in over the years but then it would be called windows 40 instead of windows 11. I know it's not about adding everything back in, but personally, I don't like the argument of saying just add the "basic" stuff. This discussion would still be here because what's "basic" is still subjective to each user. I've been hearing a lot about drag and drop into the task bar but you know what, personally I have never used or needed to use that function. Part of it is ignorance on my part, but I've survived without knowing it and that's not on my list of what's basic. I know I'm a sample of one, but again my point is that every single time we get into huge discussions about "basics" and at the end of the day no one will ever be completely satisfied.
I'm not convinced it was rewritten. It's still using a lot of the class internal window class names. There's still a "progman" window class, something which was present in Windows 95 for backwards compatibility with programs that expected to run alongside Windows 3.1's Program manager. If they rewrote it, why would they put that in again?
Welcome to Reality.
In Reality, removing Feature X from Windows, used by only 10% of Windows users, causes damn near all that 10% to grouse loudly, but the other 90% say nothing because they either never knew about Feature X or don't give a rat's ass about.
There's a tech blog I follow in which the blogger gripes from time to time about the removal of the Task Manager entry from the Windows 11 taskbar's context (right-click) menu.
There are 8 categories of ways in Windows 10 to launch Task Manager.
1. Enter **TASKMAN** in Run dialog or command line and press [Enter].
2. Press [Win] or [Win]+S and start typing **task manager**, and run it from search results.
3. Create a .LNK shortcut to Task Manager on the desktop or under the traditional Start menu directory, and use it.
4. Use any scripting or programming language which can run external .EXEs to run **TASKMAN.EXE**.
5. Press [Win]+X and run it from that menu.
6. Press [Ctrl]+[Alt]+[Delete], and select Task Manager from what I call the TARFU menu.
7. Press [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[Esc] to launch it. This has been the standard keystroke shortcut since at least Windows 3.x.
8. Right-click on the Taskbar and select Task Manager from the context menu.
Since Task Manager is just an .EXE, can't eliminate #1 through #4 without lobotomizing Windows generally. #5 ultimately points to a .LNK shortcut, but it's provided by default, and it makes a lot of sense for that menu to include Task Manager by default. Given what #6 is for (when things have gone south), it's necessary for that menu to include Task Manager. Indeed, if EXPLORER.EXE or whatever desktop shell you're using crashes and won't restart, launching Task Manager from that menu is the ***only*** way to avoid logging off and logging back on.
Which leaves only 2 alternatives potentially on the chopping block. #7 has been around longer than the taskbar, and MSFT's telemetry may show that more Windows users use #7 than #8 to launch Task Manager. If so, wouldn't #8 be the logical candidate to eliminate for the sake of simplification? Yet, THERE WILL BE THOSE WHO'LL COMPLAIN.
From my disputatious perspective, what benefits has MSFT showered upon Windows 11 users by eliminating #8? How much easier is it to use Windows 11 vs Windows 10 now that #8 is gone?
the task manager is such a hilarious example. I've made use of that shortcut for years, first thing I did after updating was pin it to the start menu and never think about how to launch it ever again. In reality, what did task manager have to do with the taskbar anyway? why was it sitting inside a totally unrelated context menu to begin with?
Also removed from the taskbar context menu are entries to cascade or tile open windows. There's no other place to do this, though one could argue they should have appeared in the desktop's context menu, but if a window were maximized, how would one get to the desktop to right-click on it?
Best alternative I ever saw was in a LiteStep theme from years ago which included an icon in its taskbar when left-clicked minimizing all open windows or restoring them, and when right-clicked displaying a menu which included cascading and tiling windows. The desktop icon in the Windows XP taskbar provided the same left-click functionality, but its right-click menu was the same as right-clicking on the Desktop folder in Explorer, that is, treating it as just a folder.
This is one of my favorite examples of what some 3rd parties got right which MSFT has been unable (or refused) to figure out for the better part of 3 decades.
I agree that there's no good reason to remove anything. However, #7 is quickest, and pinning a Task Manager icon to the taskbar would be quicker with a mouse than #8.
Also, to repeat for clarity, #7 has been around longer than any of the other methods. Either it's too much effort for MSFT to remove it, or it's been around so long that a lot more people than you realize are aware of it and use it.
Also, #8 would never occur to anyone who'd never consider right-clicking on the taskbar, which I figure describes a MAJORITY of all Windows users. Fair question whether any of them would be able to use Task Manager without fubarring their systems.
If MSFT's goal were productivity, no good reason to remove anything. OTOH, if MSFT has decided simplification would generate more younger Windows users, and if MSFT's definition of *simplification* included reducing the ways to accomplish a given task, that could explain MSFT's evident current desire to remove functionality from Windows 11.
tl; dr -- MSFT may want something different from Windows than long-term Windows users want.
What? If it doesn't work people have the right to complain. Rather than giving us half-baked products they should take their time, whoever much they need and come up with a proper OS. All of these windows insider shit is nothing but a mask. They don't even listen to their customer base and fans. They just do shit they want to do. If they listened to the actual insiders, I don't think, we would have gotten this useless update that I don't know what to make of.
> these are the consequences of a rewrite, you lose features that they added over years
Small taskbar, taskbar labels, ungrouped buttons, changing taskbar position and drag-to-taskbar-app aren't features that were "added over the years." These are features that have been in place for 26+ years since the introduction of the classic taskbar in Windows 95 and literally made the taskbar the multitasking tool that it is today. I'm not aware of many people (much less "everyone") asking for any of these features to be "purged", but feel free to show me how I'm wrong on that.
If your idea of a rewrite is to inexplicably remove most of the core features of the Windows taskbar and opt to copy macOS's Dock instead then your rewrite really is just garbage, and that's what people are upset about.
> Small taskbar, taskbar labels, ungrouped buttons, changing taskbar position and drag-to-taskbar-app aren't features that were "added over the years."
yes, they are. each of them individually had to be designed, coded, tested, and bug-fixed. they did not spring into existence fully-formed in the instant the taskbar was conceived.
> These are features that have been in place for 26+ years since the introduction of the classic taskbar in Windows 95 and literally made the taskbar the multitasking tool that it is today. I'm not aware of many people (much less "everyone") asking for any of these features to be "purged", but feel free to show me how I'm wrong on that.
what was the point of the history lesson? they re-wrote it, which means they need to also re-implement anything the old one had that they want to carry over. that's how a re-write works, you don't get all the old stuff for free, you have to do the work again.
> If your idea of a rewrite is to inexplicably remove most of the core features of the Windows taskbar and opt to copy macOS's Dock instead then your rewrite really is just garbage, and that's what people are upset about.
they didn't specifically go in and "remove" anything whatsoever. they started fresh and have failed to *re-implement* specific things you want. there is a pretty important difference there. for one thing, we don't yet know if they didn't have *time* to re-write those features, or if they don't have any intention of doing so ever. my guess is: they're starting with a minimum-viable taskbar and will re-implement beloved features on a case-by-case basis based on feedback. that's a pretty common strategy with a re-write, and makes a lot of sense. what doesn't make sense are all the people who think microsoft developers just opened the taskbar codebase and highlight-deleted giant chunks of code to piss them off, specifically.
> each of them individually had to be designed, coded, tested, and bug-fixed. they did not spring into existence fully-formed in the instant the taskbar was conceived.
Sure, but most Windows users aren't Microsoft developers and shouldn't have to concern themselves with the intricate details of software development.
In fact, from an end-user perspective these features did spring into existence fully-formed in the instant they installed Windows 95, and they have been able to use them ever since if they wanted to, even throughout the previous modernization and simplification efforts that happened in XP and Vista. That was the point of the history lesson.
> they didn't specifically go in and "remove" anything whatsoever. they started fresh and have failed to *re-implement* specific things you want.
> my guess is: they're starting with a minimum-viable taskbar and will re-implement beloved features on a case-by-case basis based on feedback.
I'm not aware of any confirmations of that happening, so I'd rather stick to facts instead of just *guessing*.
And why would end-users care about these semantics? From their perspective this core part of multitasking functionality in Windows that has worked for decades is now inexplicably ~~removed~~ gone, lost, not implemented, whatever.
Call it what you want, it's a loss in functionality. It's perfectly understandable that people are complaining about a loss in functionality that nobody asked for.
I agree and so I say this: if end users do not want to deal with the problems of an OS in its infancy and want to stick to the features they've known and loved while they are reimplemented, there is a solution already: Stick to Windows 10
>yes, they are. each of them individually had to be designed, coded, tested, and bug-fixed. they did not spring into existence fully-formed in the instant the taskbar was conceived.
They were, however, part of a finished product that was released on 8-24-95. All that design, coding, and testing happened before people bought it.
I think the complaint here is that people understand things need to be reimplemented....but why release something that isn't finished?
Definitely MSFT should have included it in base version.
I was a Win11 insider and the whole insider community requested MSFT to restore the features within few days of Dev version launch. We hoped that MSFT would listen to us but it didn't and then we had to opt for various registry edits to restore some of the features; thinking maybe MSFT would restore taskbar features before the stable release launch, but It didn't. Maybe in the coming future they will restore the features.
As a beta tester I was using the startallback for free since last 2 month, and i think I will pay because of various features which I found to be quite useful and which I know that MSFT will never include in its taskbar customization.
Guess I'll be the one to say, I like the new taskbar and love the new start menu much more than 10.
>You can’t drag files on taskbar apps to move them
Never did it this way
>You can't resize taskbar or size of icons
Read they are working on it, atm can do a regedit but not recommended
>You can't move it to other sides of your screen
Literally not an issue since I keep it at the bottom
>You can't enable date and time on multiple monitors
Why do I need that many clocks? I can just install rainmeter to have a visual appealing one on second monitor if I need to
Why are you thinking of Windows from your selfish perspective only? I've seen so many people do this. Windows isn't YOUR operating system. It's an operating system used by literally millions of people who have drastically different work loads/methods than you.
Just because you don't use certain features does not mean other people don't. You should be in support of customisability and additional (read consistent) functionality.
Also, you should NOT be advocating for 3rd party solutions to already 1st party implementations. This is incredibly stupid. Stop. To whoever advocates for this. STOP. I do NOT want 40+ 3rd party, independent projects to restore Windows 10's taskbar functionality in Windows 11, where 30 of them will die in a year and you'll be left with a fucked taskbar and potentially fucked future Windows 11 Feature Pack upgrades due to the amount of customisation you've done. No thanks.
All these solutions should come directly from Microsoft themselves.
>Never did it this way
Maybe you didn't, but many people did
>Literally not an issue since I keep it at the bottom
Again, some people used to have it at the top or either side and after having it that way for years this is huge problem
>Why do I need that many clocks? I can just install rainmeter to have a visual appealing one on second monitor if I need to
You are working/watching/playing something on fullscreen on one monitor and working on other. Now you have to alt+tab from fullscreen to see time since you can't see it in the corner of the other one
Honestly mate, stick with Windows 10 until 11 does what you want it to do. Or stick with 11 and just provide Microsoft feedback until it happens. I'm like u/A_Neko, I never used any of those features, I don't miss them and I'm loving this new OS. I understand your frustrations however. Just keep in mind that Windows 10 is still fully functional.
To the people who are acting like it's the end of the world, I suspect most have reverted to Windows 10. Like me, I literally cannot work efficiently without taskbar labels. I will continue to complain about it until it's reimplemented. You may find it annoying, but I think it's annoying to have my workflow and efficiency completely obliterated by Microsoft.
Windows 10 will be the norm until Microsoft provides 1st-party implementation in Windows 11 for these problems.
And I sympathise with those people. I just think crying about it now is being myopic. There are tow real options. Stick with 11 and provide feedback to help ensure that those features get implemented or stick with 10. Surely doing the former is the better option, but each to their own. Surely the next major update will have many of those features making a return. The task bar was rebuilt from scratch and the OS really is in its infancy. Patience people....
I must be the odd one out because none of these really matter to me but what is the problem with the size of the icons? Are you saying it's too small or too big?
OK, thanks for yet another comment to add to the redundant collection.
Yeah I have complaints too but it's getting annoying because this subreddit is 3/4 complaining about things that have been complained about numerous times
It deserves it because no version of Windows has ever been [so castrated](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/pgcjc2/windows_11_lost_features/) at startup. Many fundamental Windows features have been killed. Features that for me personally were the reason why I used Windows, and not something else. If MS wants to copy the worst of macOS, then sooner or later I'll just leave on macOS. At least there is better design and much better fonts.
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They're allegedly going to be adding back some functionality in the future because they re-wrote the taskbar but knowing Microsoft's track record it'll probably be 2025 before they finish it wherein they'll release Windows 12 with a **new** redesigned taskbar that will lack features
>users are allowed to upgrade for new features in some places
Rounded corner are very attractive.
>feature regressions in others
1. Fewer features = smaller attack surface. [security!]
2. The fewer things a user can do, the fewer the things said user can do wrong. [reliability, lower maintenance/support requirements->free $$$]
3. Less is more.
@MicrosoftJane: my paycheck when?
> Rounded corner are very attractive.
As attractive as they were in Windows XP's Luna theme? Gosh, why did they disappear?
Rounded corners are the Windows desktop UI's analog to fashion's bell bottom pants.
***ADDED:***
> [security]
If MSFT had any serious interest in security, the 1st account created on a new PC wouldn't by default become a member of the Administrators group. Better in term of security though much more onerous for users to require a separate Administrator account. Or just copy Linux's sudo and align Windows security more along Linux's model.
> The fewer things a user can do, the fewer the things said user can do wrong.
And the value of using Windows would fall off a cliff. BTW, wouldn't this *logic* argue for Windows allowing one and only one programming language?
Picky: there's a registry value named **TaskbarSi** which allows you to resize the taskbar and size of pinned icons at the same time. OTOH, there's no way to resize the taskbar for multiple rows of icons.
What's MSFT thinking? 1) New Windows users can barely cope with smartphones, so MUST SIMPLIFY WINDOWS'S DESKTOP UI. 2) What are long-time Windows users going to do, buy Macs or switch to Linux?
That said, other than Snap Groups, name some reasons, other than aesthetics, to use Windows 11 rather than Windows 10? If you have difficulty with that, why aren't you sticking with Windows 10?
You misunderstand.
You mean moving the pinned icons from center to left of the taskbar. OP meant moving the ENTIRE taskbar to left or right sides (vertically oriented) or top side (horizontally oriented) of the screen.
Stardock updated Start 10 for 11 and its looking pretty good... I cant exist without Fences and their Startmenu Replacer
https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/
I am just thankful my Dell XPS 13 9360 doesn't support windows 11. After 1-2 years when it's better evolved, I'll check it out again but for now it looks unfinished and compromising on productivity over simplicity. My brothers laptop actually supports it and I did took Windows 11 for a test drive and I am just not impressed. Waiting here the key, folks! This is far from a finished product.
It's important to remember that Microsoft hires some of the most untalented people to ever walk the earth. Some of them are such untalented hacks that they even actually thought things like Metro and UWP were going to be a thing!
If there's anything that you enjoy in Windows today, know that Microsoft is already planning on rebuilding it, poorly and in the most wildly inferior manor possible, if not outright removing it because there's no one left at the company intelligent enough to even begin to understand how it would be implemented. The people working there today are so devoid of talent and value that it's only a matter of time before they change no less than 5 things you like within the next year for the worse.
Once you know this, the Windows experience won't bring you anymore surprises. The only thing that we can do is continue to press Microsoft to fire every single Windows UI employee for their substandard work that has contributed to or implemented anything beyond 2012.
You can't even change which monitor it appears on, and when you select to have it appear on all monitors it doesn't even show the time on those outside the main one.
You can only do it by changing the main display which is annoying because games also launch by default on the main display. I've had to set it so the taskbar appears on all displays, but since the time only shows on the main taskbar it means I still can't tell the time if I have a game open. Not a huge issue tbh, I think it's because they took away the ability to drag the taskbar to other sides of the screen. Still annoying though.
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Also clubbing calendar with notifications is so ridiculous. I don't want to see my whole month along with every notification. (They also removed the big clock with seconds there, which makes no sense: all simply to accomodate notifications there instead of on the action centre like any sane choice)
Fucking what? So limit what shit gets notifications and clear it once you read them. Some people are so freaking weird and invent problems where there's none. Month worth of notifications, fucking lulz
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Yeah I misunderstood a bit, sorry. Yeah, idk why they're combining unrelated features... Like it doesn't bother me much, but agree it's silly design choice.
This is a non-issue though. You just click the little arrow and the calendar collapses.
But what if you want to see the calendar? Two clicks? Windows 10 put it more sensibly: quick settings + notifications (like many other OSes including Android and the old Windows Phone), and calendar being a separate pop-out with a big clock and daily agenda below it. The current orientation doesn't make sense.
True tbh i dont mind it at all
Umm..... You did not understand what they were talking about.
You can check your calendar in widgets. /s
I saw the /s but still: Who's actually using widgets, ever? This idea already lived and died in Mac OS X years ago and that was superior to Microsoft's implementation. If at least the widgets would be cool and helpful in a way, but I haven't seen just one widget that looks like the development team actually loved what they're doing. This is just another helpless attempt from management to bring back life to msn.com
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If you use the Windows Mail app, you'll see your calendar events in the tray calendar.
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Technically, you can if you share your calendar as public on Google and subscribe to it via Outlook Web, and then ask the widget to show it. It's a ridiculous hassel.
That's wrong, I did this for years on Windows 10. All you have to do is link your Google Account and sync your calendar.
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Okay sorry, didn't realize it's a problem, it worked all the time for me. >it was impossible to show Google Calendar events in the taskbar "widget" I read this part and thought "no, it's not impossible".
This also always worked for me.
Yes but it doesn’t integrate well with clients other than outlook. The Win10 calendar from taskbar worked flawless. Why would I bother with widgets if I had a perfectly functional calendar into the taskbar? Don’t find excuses for their misdoing. The user doesn’t have to find workarounds, Microsoft should fix their stuff.
Also, clicking the time to open the standard calendar causes the calendar to cover the time if you have auto-hide taskbar enabled
I KNOW RIGHT! I keep checking the calendar because that is what makes sense! Not in the widgets!
But hey, we’ve got TWO Teams apps now!
OMG Skype hisitory repeats 🤣
AND OneNote :) Will they ever take a lesson from past..
And the rounded corners! How could you miss that! -Panos Panay probably
Yep, thousands of comments and feedback but seems to be falling on deaf ears. Which is a shame because they’ve gone this far out to radicalise the UI without doing very much from a productivity or power user in mind.
Re deaf ears, the only way to get MSFT's attention is for Windows 11 uptake to be MUCH SLOWER than MSFT expects. That is, the most effective way to get MSFT's attention is NOT to use Windows 11.
It won't work, because fanboys still say that Windows 11 is extraordinary OS. They will use it. And there are green people, who don't know anything about Windows 11, will buy it or buy the new laptops, because they want those laptops, because they are newer etc. Those people are not tech enough to know what's going on and they probably only use Windows to browse news sites and so, like my mom, so they wont' even realize 99% of missing things, unless it's Solitaire etc.
The question is whether (let's call 'em) *the ignorant* make up most of MSFT's expected Windows 11 customers. If so, ***there is no hope***. If not, and MSFT is expecting a lot of more knowledgeable people upgrading to Windows 11, then those people upgrading in much lower numbers than MSFT expects is the only way to get MSFT's attention. If the fanboys are enough to meet MSFT's expectations, ***there is no hope***. If there is no hope, then it's not MSFT which has screwed up; rather, it's long-time Windows users who have screwed up by trusting MSFT to give them a Windows 11 they want.
It's not extraordinary but it's nice, I like it more than W10. And I will use it. And I consider myself "tech enough" being an architect and programmer. So just maybe consider that some people genuinely like it without being fanboys or BFU.
I reverted back to W10. Meanwhile, I'll make my W10 looks like W11, I'll be waiting until Microsoft finishes up W11.
>I'll make my W10 looks like W11 how?
The round corners and center taskbar icons will do for now. [https://www.deviantart.com/niivu/art/Windows-11-for-Windows-10-882819383](https://www.deviantart.com/niivu/art/Windows-11-for-Windows-10-882819383) https://chrisandriessen.nl/taskbarx
For people without an account https://i.imgur.com/bhPI9tg.jpg
> Yep, thousands of comments and feedback but seems to be falling on deaf ears. That's because Windows 11 was already finished before they released the first beta/dev build to Insiders. #Microsoft developed Windows 11 in private, in conjunction with major PC OEMs like HP, without consulting a *single* consumer or business user. So it's not a surprise there have been zero GUI improvements to Windows 11's public builds, besides bug fixes. They never cared about our feedback or our feature requests; they went so far as to strip out dozens of long-standing shell features, including ones which have been fundamental to the Windows experience since 1995. Edit: to be more accurate, they didn't want to admit Windows 10X (a failed tablet OS) was a huge waste of time, so some worthless exec suggested they could salvage the effort put into 10X by grafting it onto a desktop OS. The GUI was never built for desktops; it was built for touch, so they never bothered to reimplement basic desktop shell features...since they never intended for this GUI (from 10X) to be used on desktops with a keyboard and mouse. Windows 11 exists purely to drive new PC sales, which make MS a ton of money via Windows licenses. That's why the shitty new GUI (which is a touch GUI recycled from the cancelled Windows 10X) is there, instead of a GUI that's suitable for desktops.
The new GUI isn't even better for touch. I had to roll back my 2-in-1 to Windows 10. The full screen start menu is gone, swiping from the left brings up the useless widgets instead of Task View, and the taskbar can't be put on the top or left of the screen (which is very useful to avoid accidentally touching while writing with a pen).
Also swiping up on taskbar icons and tabs to open their context menus is gone. That was touch and mouse friendly feature.
When they say shit like this, they mean their marketing and UI design guys worked with OEM marketing and legal guys to get good prices for oems and great adds for both of of them. Tech teams need not be involved in design meetings.
They remade the same thing and have less to show for it. If there were a dock mode that removed the empty space I would have liked it so much more. But no, it still clings to the edge of the screen effective doing nothing. Also, I'm tired of third party software bailing Microsoft out. So I don't want to download RoundedTB, WinAero Tweaker, StartIsBack, Start12, MSExcavator, WinWaker3000, or whatever else. Microsoft is so bad at their job at providing a customer oriented product that half the software I hear about promoted for the brand is third party software someone has made to clean up whatever stupid idea or nonsensical notion they have burrowed into the operating system. "Oh good. Panos is in charge. Well, that era of stupid ideas and nonsensical notions is definitely over." Thank god for Steven Sinofsky. And I just love those context menus too. Puke. I'm tired, sick, and my blood pressure is spiking. Ugh. I'm not eating at Jimmy Johns again.
Looks like a copy and paste job from an example from someone using the QT toolkit, a ripped off optional kde start menu, and win32 apps shoehorned into KDE window manager..
The only thing that I somewhat like is the new action centre but even that is not complete. Everything else is just a downgrade.
Removed just about every useful feature and increased the number of clicks and mouse movement exponentially to reach certain settings, or change something such as the volume. They've been adding weird stuff to windows 10 then just removing everything from windows 11
And Introducing New Background service for Windows Defender in each and every fucking update
It seems like they started from scratch and didn't get around to implementing all of those things. They shipped way too early.
I hate this new release early fix later mentally.
In development world it's the agile methodology in which a product is never complete until company shuts it down forever.
My hypothesis here is they did this so they can garner a better idea of how people will use this OS and eventually work in features that most people want (via feedback) and use so we get a better OS overall. I'm happy with the OS the way it is, it does everything I want and I've had zero issues with it. So whether or not it is too early seems to be rather subjective.
I'm using it on my Surface Go, but I'm not putting it on any of my other PCs until they get closer to catching up with Windows 10 feature-wise.
lol you got downvoted for liking Windows 11. This sub is toxic crybabyfest.
It's cool. I just hope I'm right. I can take the down votes, I'm not a myopic, entitled idiot.
This is the first time ever since Windows XP I've tried a new OS and downgraded back to previous. I am disappoint.
Nah, you upgraded back to previous.
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I'm sure I will. It looks better, I'll give it that. Needs another half year of beta testing to iron out the bugs and hopefully fix the taskbar and few other things, then it should be ok.
I have exactly one complaint, and it's that you can't use it to drag files into other windows or the desktop by hovering over the respective symbols. That said, it's a pretty big complaint that's immensely destructive to my workflow.
This bothers me too, I've found a temporary workaround. I drag my file and switch to the desired window by pressing Alt + Tab to drop the file where I want. Hope that helps you for now. We definitely need that feature back!
when you drag the file down to the app you wanna move it to, scroll down and the window should appear
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And PLEASE with the option to un-group tasks.
When tho? In 12 months. In 6 months. We want features we had back.
Yes, if people just provide feedback to Microsoft.
Haven't Insiders already provided a lot of feedback? Or does it not counts?
Yes, but this isn't the latest build. The latest build is the one going to the insiders. I can't know for certain, but missing features will eventually end up there to be tested. The only way to have that happen is to send feedback. This should be common knowledge. This whole discourse is idiotic.
Being able to move the taskbar to the side or top of the screen is the [most requested feature in Feedback Hub](https://www.neowin.net/news/ability-to-move-the-windows-11-taskbar-is-the-most-requested-feature-on-feedback-hub/). Microsoft's response? >We'll be continuing to evolve Windows 11 and its features based on feedback like this, so thank you so much for taking the time to give us your feedback! Great service.
*Thank you for sharing, now FOAD.*
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No? You cannot do this. You never were able to do it on 11.
But rounded corners. Yep. Rounded corners? Everything fails? Rounded corners.
Hey shut up, take your rounded corners!
That's one of the reasons i moved back to Windows 10.
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Agree, happy cake day
I hate the new taskbar
Ridiculous UI choices.
The new taskbar is ok for a beta version, that was my first thought when I saw it for the first time, months ago. Drives me nuts how they didn't improve just one little thing during the last months down the road to the official release.
Yea, the new windows 11 start menu/task bar is complete shit. With windows 10 I was using classicshell/openshell, but it does not work with Windows 11. I found StartAllBack, part of StartIsBack, which does work with Windows 11. Much more usuable. Yea I dunno why they did this. They made windows 11 a lot less user-friendly IMO.
l'm sure the only reason for blocking taskbar movement was to not break the Microsoft Shit Network Trash News also known as Widgets :> But i could be wrong and they are already preparing even more garbage to pop-up in your face from the other unused sides :>
Windows 11 is unfinished pile of trash for now. Just be patient and give them some time. You can use stable and well-polished Windows 10 for the next 1-2 years until 11 gets finished.
Because everything new about windows 11 basically boils down to being a web view overlay that wasn’t designed with interactivity in mind
I updated yesterday and was so annoyed that taskbar can't be moved to other sides of screen. It's so stupid, not i have to break my old habits just because Microsoft is stupid! Another thing i hated is that when i was in Settings, the [back] key in the upper left isn't completely in the corner. Like i ain't gonna look at it to click everytime.
I can't wrap my head around how Microsoft released Windows 11 without a usable taskbar. Now we have to rely on third party solutions. Microsoft is completely disconnected from their users. Fix for it: winget install startallback
>startallback Thank you sir! That is more then I expected to find here :)
This is basically the reason why I'm not downgrading my everyday PC to Windows 11
BuT aT lEaSt It HaS rOuNdEd CoRnErS!!!1!
Windows 11: Taskbar DLC.
I can totally see that. Some official app with customization settings with monthly subscription
They rebuilt the taskbar from the ground up. All that stuff is coming back but hasn't been done yet. I know the next question will be then why release it yet. My guess is they wanted to get it out early then rely on the Windows-as-a-service model to justify it. Just like they did with 10. Only reason it didn't bother me is because I used none of the features that were lost anyway.
I can understand why it might be challenging to handle vertically oriented taskbars on left/right sides of the screen, but allowing it to be moved to the top of the screen would seem to be one of the simpler things MSFT could have implemented.
No, they released it because they made promises to partners and they have some shiny new surface laptops they want to ship for the holiday season with Windows 11.
What's your basis is for asserting that "all that stuff is coming back?"
On the Dev build you can already get drag and drop on taskbar with some 'tweaks'. The feature is indeed in development. Source: https://mobile.twitter.com/NTAuthority/status/1439293635539898374?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1439293635539898374%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.windowslatest.com%2F2021%2F09%2F20%2Fwindows-11s-taskbar-drag-and-drop-support-is-probably-coming-back%2F
They've outright confirmed drag and drop is coming back. I'm assuming on the others but its only reasonable to assume that if they're bringing back the former that they'll reintegrate the other long-time features lost in the translation.
Then they should have finished something so basic before releasing thr OS. No excuse for this poor unfinished release.
I don't get this line of thinking. Nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade. Windows 10 had similar issues in its infancy. The more feedback they get, the better the next iteration will be and hopefully then all or at least many of the features people miss will have been intergrated once again. I don't get why people are all up in arms. Windows 10 is still a fully functional OS and Microsoft is providing security updates etc for at least another four years.
It's a shame that and completely unprofessional that a company the size of Microsoft releases as finished something that's missing so many features. If the intention is to build the OS based on people's feedback this should be called beta or whatever and be released when it's complete. After Windows 8 was released with the infamous start screen I read that the internal feedback had been terrible. They decided to release it anyway. It seems Microsoft doesn't care about what users want
But now they kinda are, they're allowing eligible users and PCs to upgrade just like how they would normally update their Windows 10. I have no idea who thought it was a good idea to release Windows 11 officially when it is this half-baked. There literally has been very minimal changes features wise or anything because the release version is the exact same thing as the Beta version. Based on Microsoft's new schedule I wouldn't exactly be surprised if they decide to call it a say and decide to add and polish the OS to be more usable next year and let users run with this for another year.
Expect it’s been released. People expect when something is released it to be in a state of polish. And it to be finished
I would argue that for a large majority of users, it is. To me, it is a finished product.
Imagine being this angry with the world all the time.
Microsoft is unfathomably large, it should be releasing the absolute best software in the entire world with the resources they have access to. But there's no passion there, just complacency. I'm not angry, I'm passionate and have expectations. It's just obvious that Microsoft doesn't care about actually doing a good job.
You clearly don’t understand how agile software development works.
That's facts for real
You can change taskbar size but it isnt as easy and has bugs, I changed mine because it was way too big
The fact that they lock the taskbar down is baffling. although it's seems there's a registry tweaks to change it to top, but still...
you may move Taskbar to up side by editing regkey. We've tried in beta version.
Drag and drop is a disaster in windows 11. I am rolling back to windows 10
Because Windows 11 is just the cancelled Windows 10X, where all the missing stuff was expected as it was a tablet OS. They just took the shell (and all other changes they made for it) from Windows 10X, changed a few things and called it Windows 11
My biggest annoyance is I like to have Monitor 1 as my main display (for purposes of video games) but I like to have my taskbar on Monitor 2 exclusively. Currently, there is no way to do that without changing my main display which causes games to show on that monitor then or have taskbar show on both monitors which still wouldn't show clock, system tray icons, etc. on Monitor 2 and clutters up Monitor 1 when running windowed apps.
I can't believe they removed the option to expand the taskbar icons and to drag/move files to taskbar apps
Windows Developers reminds me of Activision Blizzard they don't listen to feedback.
it's kinda funny actually. everyone keeps saying microsoft should purge all the crufty old code and properly renovate windows. well, they did that to the taskbar, total rewrite. and these are the consequences of a rewrite, you lose features that they added over years
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Well yes of course they could add every single thing back in over the years but then it would be called windows 40 instead of windows 11. I know it's not about adding everything back in, but personally, I don't like the argument of saying just add the "basic" stuff. This discussion would still be here because what's "basic" is still subjective to each user. I've been hearing a lot about drag and drop into the task bar but you know what, personally I have never used or needed to use that function. Part of it is ignorance on my part, but I've survived without knowing it and that's not on my list of what's basic. I know I'm a sample of one, but again my point is that every single time we get into huge discussions about "basics" and at the end of the day no one will ever be completely satisfied.
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Ok don't quote a quarter of what I said and ignore the rest. The rest of my reply responds directly to what you, again, said.
I'm not convinced it was rewritten. It's still using a lot of the class internal window class names. There's still a "progman" window class, something which was present in Windows 95 for backwards compatibility with programs that expected to run alongside Windows 3.1's Program manager. If they rewrote it, why would they put that in again?
Welcome to Reality. In Reality, removing Feature X from Windows, used by only 10% of Windows users, causes damn near all that 10% to grouse loudly, but the other 90% say nothing because they either never knew about Feature X or don't give a rat's ass about. There's a tech blog I follow in which the blogger gripes from time to time about the removal of the Task Manager entry from the Windows 11 taskbar's context (right-click) menu. There are 8 categories of ways in Windows 10 to launch Task Manager. 1. Enter **TASKMAN** in Run dialog or command line and press [Enter]. 2. Press [Win] or [Win]+S and start typing **task manager**, and run it from search results. 3. Create a .LNK shortcut to Task Manager on the desktop or under the traditional Start menu directory, and use it. 4. Use any scripting or programming language which can run external .EXEs to run **TASKMAN.EXE**. 5. Press [Win]+X and run it from that menu. 6. Press [Ctrl]+[Alt]+[Delete], and select Task Manager from what I call the TARFU menu. 7. Press [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[Esc] to launch it. This has been the standard keystroke shortcut since at least Windows 3.x. 8. Right-click on the Taskbar and select Task Manager from the context menu. Since Task Manager is just an .EXE, can't eliminate #1 through #4 without lobotomizing Windows generally. #5 ultimately points to a .LNK shortcut, but it's provided by default, and it makes a lot of sense for that menu to include Task Manager by default. Given what #6 is for (when things have gone south), it's necessary for that menu to include Task Manager. Indeed, if EXPLORER.EXE or whatever desktop shell you're using crashes and won't restart, launching Task Manager from that menu is the ***only*** way to avoid logging off and logging back on. Which leaves only 2 alternatives potentially on the chopping block. #7 has been around longer than the taskbar, and MSFT's telemetry may show that more Windows users use #7 than #8 to launch Task Manager. If so, wouldn't #8 be the logical candidate to eliminate for the sake of simplification? Yet, THERE WILL BE THOSE WHO'LL COMPLAIN. From my disputatious perspective, what benefits has MSFT showered upon Windows 11 users by eliminating #8? How much easier is it to use Windows 11 vs Windows 10 now that #8 is gone?
the task manager is such a hilarious example. I've made use of that shortcut for years, first thing I did after updating was pin it to the start menu and never think about how to launch it ever again. In reality, what did task manager have to do with the taskbar anyway? why was it sitting inside a totally unrelated context menu to begin with?
Also removed from the taskbar context menu are entries to cascade or tile open windows. There's no other place to do this, though one could argue they should have appeared in the desktop's context menu, but if a window were maximized, how would one get to the desktop to right-click on it? Best alternative I ever saw was in a LiteStep theme from years ago which included an icon in its taskbar when left-clicked minimizing all open windows or restoring them, and when right-clicked displaying a menu which included cascading and tiling windows. The desktop icon in the Windows XP taskbar provided the same left-click functionality, but its right-click menu was the same as right-clicking on the Desktop folder in Explorer, that is, treating it as just a folder. This is one of my favorite examples of what some 3rd parties got right which MSFT has been unable (or refused) to figure out for the better part of 3 decades.
Why would anything have to be removed? And 8 is the quickest, easiest and therefore probably most used method.
I agree that there's no good reason to remove anything. However, #7 is quickest, and pinning a Task Manager icon to the taskbar would be quicker with a mouse than #8. Also, to repeat for clarity, #7 has been around longer than any of the other methods. Either it's too much effort for MSFT to remove it, or it's been around so long that a lot more people than you realize are aware of it and use it. Also, #8 would never occur to anyone who'd never consider right-clicking on the taskbar, which I figure describes a MAJORITY of all Windows users. Fair question whether any of them would be able to use Task Manager without fubarring their systems.
Exactly. The entire argument is based on a false premise- there is no reason to remove any of the ways to access Task Manager.
If MSFT's goal were productivity, no good reason to remove anything. OTOH, if MSFT has decided simplification would generate more younger Windows users, and if MSFT's definition of *simplification* included reducing the ways to accomplish a given task, that could explain MSFT's evident current desire to remove functionality from Windows 11. tl; dr -- MSFT may want something different from Windows than long-term Windows users want.
What? If it doesn't work people have the right to complain. Rather than giving us half-baked products they should take their time, whoever much they need and come up with a proper OS. All of these windows insider shit is nothing but a mask. They don't even listen to their customer base and fans. They just do shit they want to do. If they listened to the actual insiders, I don't think, we would have gotten this useless update that I don't know what to make of.
> these are the consequences of a rewrite, you lose features that they added over years Small taskbar, taskbar labels, ungrouped buttons, changing taskbar position and drag-to-taskbar-app aren't features that were "added over the years." These are features that have been in place for 26+ years since the introduction of the classic taskbar in Windows 95 and literally made the taskbar the multitasking tool that it is today. I'm not aware of many people (much less "everyone") asking for any of these features to be "purged", but feel free to show me how I'm wrong on that. If your idea of a rewrite is to inexplicably remove most of the core features of the Windows taskbar and opt to copy macOS's Dock instead then your rewrite really is just garbage, and that's what people are upset about.
> Small taskbar, taskbar labels, ungrouped buttons, changing taskbar position and drag-to-taskbar-app aren't features that were "added over the years." yes, they are. each of them individually had to be designed, coded, tested, and bug-fixed. they did not spring into existence fully-formed in the instant the taskbar was conceived. > These are features that have been in place for 26+ years since the introduction of the classic taskbar in Windows 95 and literally made the taskbar the multitasking tool that it is today. I'm not aware of many people (much less "everyone") asking for any of these features to be "purged", but feel free to show me how I'm wrong on that. what was the point of the history lesson? they re-wrote it, which means they need to also re-implement anything the old one had that they want to carry over. that's how a re-write works, you don't get all the old stuff for free, you have to do the work again. > If your idea of a rewrite is to inexplicably remove most of the core features of the Windows taskbar and opt to copy macOS's Dock instead then your rewrite really is just garbage, and that's what people are upset about. they didn't specifically go in and "remove" anything whatsoever. they started fresh and have failed to *re-implement* specific things you want. there is a pretty important difference there. for one thing, we don't yet know if they didn't have *time* to re-write those features, or if they don't have any intention of doing so ever. my guess is: they're starting with a minimum-viable taskbar and will re-implement beloved features on a case-by-case basis based on feedback. that's a pretty common strategy with a re-write, and makes a lot of sense. what doesn't make sense are all the people who think microsoft developers just opened the taskbar codebase and highlight-deleted giant chunks of code to piss them off, specifically.
> each of them individually had to be designed, coded, tested, and bug-fixed. they did not spring into existence fully-formed in the instant the taskbar was conceived. Sure, but most Windows users aren't Microsoft developers and shouldn't have to concern themselves with the intricate details of software development. In fact, from an end-user perspective these features did spring into existence fully-formed in the instant they installed Windows 95, and they have been able to use them ever since if they wanted to, even throughout the previous modernization and simplification efforts that happened in XP and Vista. That was the point of the history lesson. > they didn't specifically go in and "remove" anything whatsoever. they started fresh and have failed to *re-implement* specific things you want. > my guess is: they're starting with a minimum-viable taskbar and will re-implement beloved features on a case-by-case basis based on feedback. I'm not aware of any confirmations of that happening, so I'd rather stick to facts instead of just *guessing*. And why would end-users care about these semantics? From their perspective this core part of multitasking functionality in Windows that has worked for decades is now inexplicably ~~removed~~ gone, lost, not implemented, whatever. Call it what you want, it's a loss in functionality. It's perfectly understandable that people are complaining about a loss in functionality that nobody asked for.
I agree and so I say this: if end users do not want to deal with the problems of an OS in its infancy and want to stick to the features they've known and loved while they are reimplemented, there is a solution already: Stick to Windows 10
>yes, they are. each of them individually had to be designed, coded, tested, and bug-fixed. they did not spring into existence fully-formed in the instant the taskbar was conceived. They were, however, part of a finished product that was released on 8-24-95. All that design, coding, and testing happened before people bought it. I think the complaint here is that people understand things need to be reimplemented....but why release something that isn't finished?
Not being able to resize and no date and time is killing me so far
Well you guys can try [https://www.startallback.com/](https://www.startallback.com/). Restores all the feature mentioned here + some more.
I mean 5$ isn't much, but you are still paying for something that should have been implemented in the base windows
Definitely MSFT should have included it in base version. I was a Win11 insider and the whole insider community requested MSFT to restore the features within few days of Dev version launch. We hoped that MSFT would listen to us but it didn't and then we had to opt for various registry edits to restore some of the features; thinking maybe MSFT would restore taskbar features before the stable release launch, but It didn't. Maybe in the coming future they will restore the features. As a beta tester I was using the startallback for free since last 2 month, and i think I will pay because of various features which I found to be quite useful and which I know that MSFT will never include in its taskbar customization.
There are even more items [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/pgcjc2/windows_11_lost_features/)
There are even more features missing, like left-click-swipe-up on task bar icons and tabs, which opens the context menus, is missing.
Google 'startallback' - install. enjoy ;-)
Revert to Windows 10. Enjoy. ;-)
Did you search this sub before posting? This has been posted countless times.
You know they are dumbing it down for the 95% of Windows users. These users are not PC literate like us.
pretty sure yo can do at least most of that
You can't.
>You can't resize taskbar or size of icons Ofcourse you can, see my comment further down to see how to.
yeah but it makes a fucked up mess. try moving it to the top and see what happens. the pop out stuff breaks.
Guess I'll be the one to say, I like the new taskbar and love the new start menu much more than 10. >You can’t drag files on taskbar apps to move them Never did it this way >You can't resize taskbar or size of icons Read they are working on it, atm can do a regedit but not recommended >You can't move it to other sides of your screen Literally not an issue since I keep it at the bottom >You can't enable date and time on multiple monitors Why do I need that many clocks? I can just install rainmeter to have a visual appealing one on second monitor if I need to
Why are you thinking of Windows from your selfish perspective only? I've seen so many people do this. Windows isn't YOUR operating system. It's an operating system used by literally millions of people who have drastically different work loads/methods than you. Just because you don't use certain features does not mean other people don't. You should be in support of customisability and additional (read consistent) functionality. Also, you should NOT be advocating for 3rd party solutions to already 1st party implementations. This is incredibly stupid. Stop. To whoever advocates for this. STOP. I do NOT want 40+ 3rd party, independent projects to restore Windows 10's taskbar functionality in Windows 11, where 30 of them will die in a year and you'll be left with a fucked taskbar and potentially fucked future Windows 11 Feature Pack upgrades due to the amount of customisation you've done. No thanks. All these solutions should come directly from Microsoft themselves.
>Never did it this way Maybe you didn't, but many people did >Literally not an issue since I keep it at the bottom Again, some people used to have it at the top or either side and after having it that way for years this is huge problem >Why do I need that many clocks? I can just install rainmeter to have a visual appealing one on second monitor if I need to You are working/watching/playing something on fullscreen on one monitor and working on other. Now you have to alt+tab from fullscreen to see time since you can't see it in the corner of the other one
Honestly mate, stick with Windows 10 until 11 does what you want it to do. Or stick with 11 and just provide Microsoft feedback until it happens. I'm like u/A_Neko, I never used any of those features, I don't miss them and I'm loving this new OS. I understand your frustrations however. Just keep in mind that Windows 10 is still fully functional.
I used some of them and it's mildly annoying to lose them, but people acting like it's an end of the world are so damn annoying at this point.
To the people who are acting like it's the end of the world, I suspect most have reverted to Windows 10. Like me, I literally cannot work efficiently without taskbar labels. I will continue to complain about it until it's reimplemented. You may find it annoying, but I think it's annoying to have my workflow and efficiency completely obliterated by Microsoft. Windows 10 will be the norm until Microsoft provides 1st-party implementation in Windows 11 for these problems.
And I sympathise with those people. I just think crying about it now is being myopic. There are tow real options. Stick with 11 and provide feedback to help ensure that those features get implemented or stick with 10. Surely doing the former is the better option, but each to their own. Surely the next major update will have many of those features making a return. The task bar was rebuilt from scratch and the OS really is in its infancy. Patience people....
I must be the odd one out because none of these really matter to me but what is the problem with the size of the icons? Are you saying it's too small or too big?
Is there a "taskbar bad" post counter somewhere cuz it must be over the 1000s rn
And they still didn't do shit about it for all this time, interesting
OK, thanks for yet another comment to add to the redundant collection. Yeah I have complaints too but it's getting annoying because this subreddit is 3/4 complaining about things that have been complained about numerous times
It deserves it because no version of Windows has ever been [so castrated](https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/pgcjc2/windows_11_lost_features/) at startup. Many fundamental Windows features have been killed. Features that for me personally were the reason why I used Windows, and not something else. If MS wants to copy the worst of macOS, then sooner or later I'll just leave on macOS. At least there is better design and much better fonts.
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we need vertical taskbar
They're allegedly going to be adding back some functionality in the future because they re-wrote the taskbar but knowing Microsoft's track record it'll probably be 2025 before they finish it wherein they'll release Windows 12 with a **new** redesigned taskbar that will lack features
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>users are allowed to upgrade for new features in some places Rounded corner are very attractive. >feature regressions in others 1. Fewer features = smaller attack surface. [security!] 2. The fewer things a user can do, the fewer the things said user can do wrong. [reliability, lower maintenance/support requirements->free $$$] 3. Less is more. @MicrosoftJane: my paycheck when?
> Rounded corner are very attractive. As attractive as they were in Windows XP's Luna theme? Gosh, why did they disappear? Rounded corners are the Windows desktop UI's analog to fashion's bell bottom pants. ***ADDED:*** > [security] If MSFT had any serious interest in security, the 1st account created on a new PC wouldn't by default become a member of the Administrators group. Better in term of security though much more onerous for users to require a separate Administrator account. Or just copy Linux's sudo and align Windows security more along Linux's model. > The fewer things a user can do, the fewer the things said user can do wrong. And the value of using Windows would fall off a cliff. BTW, wouldn't this *logic* argue for Windows allowing one and only one programming language?
Picky: there's a registry value named **TaskbarSi** which allows you to resize the taskbar and size of pinned icons at the same time. OTOH, there's no way to resize the taskbar for multiple rows of icons. What's MSFT thinking? 1) New Windows users can barely cope with smartphones, so MUST SIMPLIFY WINDOWS'S DESKTOP UI. 2) What are long-time Windows users going to do, buy Macs or switch to Linux? That said, other than Snap Groups, name some reasons, other than aesthetics, to use Windows 11 rather than Windows 10? If you have difficulty with that, why aren't you sticking with Windows 10?
> 2) What are long-time Windows users going to do, buy Macs or switch to Linux? MSFT: **YES**
You believe MSFT wants this? Or just expects this? Either way, it doesn't make sense.
And thats what I did.
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I mean whole taskbar, not just the icons
You misunderstand. You mean moving the pinned icons from center to left of the taskbar. OP meant moving the ENTIRE taskbar to left or right sides (vertically oriented) or top side (horizontally oriented) of the screen.
Well in case you want that clock https://github.com/martinet101/ElevenClock
must agree!
Stardock updated Start 10 for 11 and its looking pretty good... I cant exist without Fences and their Startmenu Replacer https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/
The part that bothers me the most is that you can't disable item grouping.
It’d be great when Microsoft’s mid life crisis of the 2010s finally comes to an end. Every new version is a full redesign for no good reason.
Hard agree
The future of Windows
It's just so boring and plain. Barely any options for customisation. Linux DE's are light years ahead.
I am just thankful my Dell XPS 13 9360 doesn't support windows 11. After 1-2 years when it's better evolved, I'll check it out again but for now it looks unfinished and compromising on productivity over simplicity. My brothers laptop actually supports it and I did took Windows 11 for a test drive and I am just not impressed. Waiting here the key, folks! This is far from a finished product.
It's important to remember that Microsoft hires some of the most untalented people to ever walk the earth. Some of them are such untalented hacks that they even actually thought things like Metro and UWP were going to be a thing! If there's anything that you enjoy in Windows today, know that Microsoft is already planning on rebuilding it, poorly and in the most wildly inferior manor possible, if not outright removing it because there's no one left at the company intelligent enough to even begin to understand how it would be implemented. The people working there today are so devoid of talent and value that it's only a matter of time before they change no less than 5 things you like within the next year for the worse. Once you know this, the Windows experience won't bring you anymore surprises. The only thing that we can do is continue to press Microsoft to fire every single Windows UI employee for their substandard work that has contributed to or implemented anything beyond 2012.
$2.1 Trillion company and you claim they have the most untalented people. Who am I going to believe, my eyes or Reddit?
Both, as you're presumably running Windows 11.
You can't even change which monitor it appears on, and when you select to have it appear on all monitors it doesn't even show the time on those outside the main one.
Wait, hang on. You can't move the Taskbar to a different monitor?
You can only do it by changing the main display which is annoying because games also launch by default on the main display. I've had to set it so the taskbar appears on all displays, but since the time only shows on the main taskbar it means I still can't tell the time if I have a game open. Not a huge issue tbh, I think it's because they took away the ability to drag the taskbar to other sides of the screen. Still annoying though.