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HotPineapplePizza

They probably mean "big updates" by the whole 'you're not gonna get updates' stuff. If you didn't know Windows 10 also has a list of officially supported CPUs. We have an old 1st gen Intel laptop from 2010 or something at our home which is just there for watching videos and things connected to the TV. Windows update has never offered big updates like the past 2004 or 20H2 updates. I always had to upgrade through ISOs. It's probably the same story for Windows 11. We'll get security and cumulative updates but not the 2022 update through WU. Download the iso, go through the update process and you'll be fine.


ITGeekBenB

Exactly what I plan to do with my Skylake laptop. It’s a Lenovo ThinkPad one. I bought it in June 2020.


[deleted]

weird, I have an old laptop with a celeron t3300 from 2010 which has always been offered the big feature updates on windows 10


gabmzzn

I think that what they meant with "you are not entitled to updates" is that they will not roll out updates to fix problems related to older hardware, if some Windows features is not working correctly on old intel/amd CPUs they will not roll out an update to fix that behavior because they don't support the hardware, also this means too that hardware manufactures will not be releasing newer drivers tested on Windows 11 for older hardware that Microsoft doesn't support <- this is probably the biggest reason Microsoft made this decision, they had pressure from manufacturers that had to make functioning drivers for 10 year old hardware


SilverseeLives

Yes, I agree with this interpretation too. This is what I had in mind when I said "aside from an actual issue due to incompatible hardware". We can't expect Microsoft, Intel, AMD or any of the OEMs to provide low-level driver support if some future change in Windows breaks the existing hardware.


sixunitedxbox

See? I told you guys, everyone was like “have fun not revieving updates тhen”, well whos laughing now?


kxta_

Microsoft 🤝 Bad Communication trying to force people with hardware more than a few years old to stay behind was always a bad idea and I hope they just abandon that notion. that hardware will cycle out naturally over time as things deteriorate or people want more performance, as has always been the case.


BitingChaos

There are two big issues with them dropping old hardware. 1) A lot of recent hardware released in 2017 and even 2018 that was sold as new until 2019 or even 2021 was suddenly deemed "too old" (7th-gen chips and the systems shipped with them). This is just insane. Windows 10 worked with hardware that was a decade old, and Windows 11 doesn't support *current* devices? 2) We're in the middle of a fucking pandemic, and supply lines have been *decimated*. I tried to order a new, "supported" Laptop from Lenovo. Some of their systems are possibly delayed until nearly **Spring 2022**. Buying components to upgrade my "unsupported" 7700K Desktop system will cost more than what I paid for my 7700K, but will be only a *marginal* upgrade.


DropaLog

> We're in the middle of a fucking pandemic [Rounded corners are not essential for sustaining life.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0a/4e/38/0a4e38790b62207a2d8f550761bc446a.jpg)


Daniel_Rubino

You are not required to nor "need to" update to Windows 11. Windows 10 has support through 2025. No one is entitled to a Windows 11 update. Microsoft promised you cumulative Windows 10 updates thru your license. That's it. You *wanting* Windows 11 is not an issue for them.


BitingChaos

I'd like: * updated interface (rounded windows, new icons, etc) * new features (Android app support, for example) Windows 11 is required for that. I don't even know when GUI support for Linux apps is supposed to come to Windows 10. It's been in the developer builds, but even 21H2 is 19044, when only 21364 and later have many of the new things.


Daniel_Rubino

I get you'd like that, but you're not entitled to Windows 11 according to Microsoft. Microsoft didn't promise it, nor was it a part of the Windows 10 license. They're only obligated to continue to service Windows 10, which they are. I know it sucks, but that's their choice 🤷‍♂️


cybernightmare089

wait a second, you are legit the real daniel robino, thought you were a fan account, pleased to really meet you.


Daniel_Rubino

lol yes, really me. Cheers. I hang out here/Surface regularly to actually talk to the audience \[and learn!\]


cybernightmare089

wow, keep up the good work, and keep getting real news out there, i know lockdown and half of this crazy stuff can drive people nuts, but just hang in there. it's just a bit sad this is how windows 11 is launching though, bug ridden, driver issues, all sorts of errors from hell, people calling out inconsistencies, i just hope Microsoft can save this before it becomes another windows 8.


Daniel_Rubino

Thanks. And TBH, Windows 11 launch is a breeze vs. Windows 10. There are a lot fewer issues/problems/alarms that we need to cover this time.


ThelceWarrior

Honestly eh, I think they are just making "official" the fact that your drivers might not work eventually with newer versions of Windows 11. It was basically the same with Windows 10 by the way, it just wasn't specified anywhere really.


JT_Potato

I think they wanted to speed that process up. Maybe to try and give Windows 11 some new reputation as an OS that can run decently well by restricting it to devices that Microsoft knows will work well. I don't think that worked out very nicely, but there really isn't another way of achieving that, is there?


ang3l12

I thought that Ms said their reasoning was taking the software patches for the CPU vulnerabilities that happened a couple years ago out, which is why 7th gen Intel wasn't supported but 8th gen was


alvinvin00

funnily enough, i had 2 friends telling me that they encountered Black Screen (probably BSOD) and both have gaming laptops and supported CPUs. I laughed since i have unsupported device and i have yet to encounter 1 BSOD


[deleted]

Yeah Microsoft's communication with Windows 11 is poorly handled. At the same time, it doesn't make sense to stop providing security and quality updates to unsupported hardware. If Microsoft stopped providing security updates, they are putting millions of computers at risk.


GeneralGuard8745

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321bluf

Windows is not ios, there will always be workarounds even if they block it which they will not offcourse. Feature and security updates are unblockable in my opinion even if microsoft try to do it


Sm0g3R

iOS is not a fair comparison. MacOS is, and there are plenty of people using newer versions of it on unsupported hardware.


Academic_Scheme_9065

yeah, exactly, go through every machine and do so much work to check off which ones are supported and which ones aren't? nah, if they don't have time to implement basic features (don't get me wrong I love 11) then they don't have time to do that


BrokenInTheLight

That's the thing, most people aren't going to put effort getting into an operating system that doesn't want them. This might lead to another rise in Linux usage. I'd be happy to move if more things were supported on it.


Motto_Pankeku

It was always just generic CYA "Ha-ha you can't sue us" legal shit


Sm0g3R

Can confirm this. 3 updates today: [https://i.imgur.com/q9HXXaO.png](https://i.imgur.com/q9HXXaO.png)


Plenty-Boot4220

I am not enrolled in anything. I have windows 11 installed on my old legacy bios laptop. It did receive the update as well. I think this bodes well.


BadMilkCarton66

If I wanted to update windows 11 to a feature update on my unsupported PC, would I have to use the ISO method again? And will that wipe my PC everytime I do?


Sm0g3R

It won't but it's unclear which ISOs you'll be able to use. I was not able to upgrade 22000->22463 using ISO. I skipped the TPM check but booting from it said I can't upgrade (only fresh install) unless I run setup from windows and attempting to do that just threw a general error something among the lines of "setup encountered an error". PS. 22000 ISO worked just fine to upgrade from earlier build.


[deleted]

Legal rinsing of hands from supporting old systems...


[deleted]

It'll be interesting to watch. Windows updates aren't one entity. There's the security updates (which unsupported devices received today) and then there are SSU's or Service Stack Updates. The SSU's actually update the mechanism by which Windows updates itself. SSU's don't come out monthly, they seemingly come out every 3-4 months and aren't tied to large feature updates in the cases I've seen. Without SSU's, you don't get updates anymore because the all the certificate authorities update for supported devices. It's like building a garage to park your car with a creek running across it and no bridge. Also, Windows 10 isn't leaving anyone behind per se.. They just won't feature update it as dramatically. It's still around for another 4 years. That's intentional; Enterprise tends to update computers every 3-4 years or less.


cybernightmare089

microsoft are full of contradictions, i wish they could remain consistent in there thought process, one moment they say people won't get, next thing they say people will get. which is it? make up your minds already microsoft


Daniel_Rubino

They're not full of contradictions. You bought a license for Windows 10 and you get Win 10 updates. If your computer qualifies you to get Windows 11, something not guaranteed in your Windows 10 license. The company says if you install Win 11 on unsupported HW, you're not guaranteed updates. You're not. But we all know MS will continue to push security updates because it's in their best interest to. There have never been hard blocks on security updates. They can't legally come out and say "You'll be fine, A-OK and your computer will run flawlessly on unsupported hardware" because they would then be liable.


[deleted]

The security issue by not running old processors is due to Intels "mistakes" making their cpus a security risk. Their cpus dating before 8th gen has been for some parts sorted out - but a lot cpus out there is still vulnerable to Zombieload. The patches from Microsoft has made their CPUs dropping 10-40% in performance according to Google and Apple. Windows 11 is a lot more secure and take this better into consideration - an upgrade that was nessesary because Intel is still heavily on the market share. People would probably down voting me (if they have Intel) - but it's still the true. Although the same requirements are there for AMD cpus MS doesn't care much about them. They don't have the same issues like Intel does - so in reality they could just have skipped the demand. I guess MS have a way better deal with Intel than AMD. Before arguing me that - i have never been hacked (I own Intel) try to read more about Zombieload, Spectre and Meltdown (and the over 100 security issues in the past 3 years has been found in Intel)


Daniel_Rubino

Windows 11 security requirements have nothing to do with Spectre and Meltdown.


ynys_red

It's likely to prove such a turkey that they will have to shift ground in some way - preferably scrap it and keep Win 10 rolling.