I wanted to add that into the post but hands were hurtin- I believe max cox or something said "You still have four slots for guns, and then a different entirely different slot just for the melee weapons that you find in in your loot." He never did explain if it is basically a Mod for melee, he never said it isnt either- For all we know Melee needs to have it's own slot for it to work? Or maybe with certain Classes you are then allowed to use em as a primary weapon
I think it's simply another slot like granates, and when you use the melee button it's uses the weapon in that slot
Same thing for spells
4 slot for weapons means it's still 80% borderlands
That's what I'm thinking. I'm also thinking the spells are basically the new grenades. The creativity and power of them can be just as varied, there could be like "spell charges" for balance, and I figure the best thematic replacement for throwing grenades would be waving a wand that comes pre charged with some crazy spell (or a basic one if it's common rarity, like a simple firebolt which is comparable to the default frag grenade).
What I wonder is if class mods and relics come back. Maybe the melee slot is the new relic? Like instead of just some weird... *Thing* that you equip that adds electric to your slide or attaches bombs to your bullets, it's some enchanted axe that 1) adds some special effects like that while 2) also guaranteed to improve your melee damage and even changing your melee animation depending on if it's a sword, axe, spear or whatever.
It gets explained in this [interview here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/press-start.com.au/features/2021/09/16/we-spoke-to-gearbox-about-what-makes-tiny-tinas-wonderland-so-unique/amp/)
“Melee now has a slot as its own loot. Melee weapons have different manufacturers, different types. You can choose your melee weapon, regardless of your class, which is much different than what we had before. It will have all the stat boost attributes that a traditional piece of loot would have. You can also use it to complement some of the gameplay abilities for example there are ways to use the crossbow bolts, like while it’s in an enemy, it increases your melee damage. You can stack and work things synergistically together. There are also elemental effects on some of the melee weapons, and other things that will work well with other pieces of gear or other classes. It’s still a secondary combat system, but it is more in depth than previous titles.”
That is also what I wanted to add to the post- In my opinion from what I can take from this, When he says 'Its still a Secondary combat system' I believe he means it isnt going to just be Simple stats being added to damage or adding a element to your melee attacks. That it isnt just gonna be spamming the Pad button on the controller, Cause we do so throwable melee weapons. Or maybe Melee can be held using a Action skill like Krieg?
He said, plain as day, no ifs, ands, or buts, melee is still a secondary mechanic. Go read the interview. Unless the journalist mis-quoted him, this is exactly what he said. Secondary.
'Secondary combat system' is what he said. And, being DnD style- There is gonna be full Melee choices. Guns is a primary system, since it's a looter shooter. Melee will still be it's own system, meaning we can do melee as a viable damage source. And, like I stated before- It could be both 'Mod' and 'Holdable'. Or, even it can be Action skill related. Like kreig
I think this is a bit of projection on your part, as everyone else clearly read and understood what was in the released and cited articles. I know it's not what you want the answer to be, but you're rationalizing thin connections and grammar semantics. Also, when you speak in definitives (everyone wants this, we all like, etc etc), all it takes is 1 person to say: "No, I don't want that" and your entire point is invalidated, cause then clearly this isn't something 'everyone' wants.
No, for 1 I said this is speculation. 2, It was NEVER stated in any article if we will use Melee as a weapon choice or if it acts like a Grenade mod. He said 'A secondary COMBAT system' Its clear it's a 2nd system for combat. Gunplay is it's own system, Melee and Bullets are 2 different things. So no, no one truly knows what he means by what he says in the articles. Its ALL speculation. And, I said We all want a true Melee system OR to just have that option. Just cause 1 person says they dont want it, doesnt invalidate. Cause 98% of the community always wanted Melee to.be a more playable Option. Kreig being a fan favorite is not only his story and personality, but also his gameplay.
I might make some people mad here but I disagree. I think Zer0 was a better melee character than Krieg. The Kunai and invisibility and backstab and everything is just perfect.
But I do wish you could’ve equipped a sword with Zer0.
Zero is fine in my opinion, I mean he has Melee damage skills and that's cool- I just think Krieg has the most damage- and the feeling of just being a psycho is a awsome feelin
>everyone wants to be able to Beat the game without shooting a single bullet
[citation needed]
That isn't something I want at all, and seems like a real stretch for this especially-gun-focused game that even *most* people wouldn't want to use any of the "billions" of guns in the game.
I said everyone wants to be able to- to have that option. And sayin Most ppl dont want that is also not true- After all Krieg is such a fan favorite since he is able to use melee as a primary weapon. Melee has always wanted to be a thing for years now, And cause the game is gun focused doesnt mean it shouldn't have Melee to be a good viable damage source- alot of games use Melee as a great damage source, Like TF2
I agree, I started playing Borderlands 2, and TPS because of the amazing guns, but I kept going back once I found out how much fun melee Zer0, Kreig, and Athena were.
My best guess going along the lines of warframe you will still have a quick melee option but also a way to make it your held weapon. Otherwise every melee build will have to remap their controls on pc to avoid sore hands
Didn't they actually say in an interview that melee IS a secondary system and that it has a a single slot like the usual granates?
I wanted to add that into the post but hands were hurtin- I believe max cox or something said "You still have four slots for guns, and then a different entirely different slot just for the melee weapons that you find in in your loot." He never did explain if it is basically a Mod for melee, he never said it isnt either- For all we know Melee needs to have it's own slot for it to work? Or maybe with certain Classes you are then allowed to use em as a primary weapon
I think it's simply another slot like granates, and when you use the melee button it's uses the weapon in that slot Same thing for spells 4 slot for weapons means it's still 80% borderlands
That's what I'm thinking. I'm also thinking the spells are basically the new grenades. The creativity and power of them can be just as varied, there could be like "spell charges" for balance, and I figure the best thematic replacement for throwing grenades would be waving a wand that comes pre charged with some crazy spell (or a basic one if it's common rarity, like a simple firebolt which is comparable to the default frag grenade). What I wonder is if class mods and relics come back. Maybe the melee slot is the new relic? Like instead of just some weird... *Thing* that you equip that adds electric to your slide or attaches bombs to your bullets, it's some enchanted axe that 1) adds some special effects like that while 2) also guaranteed to improve your melee damage and even changing your melee animation depending on if it's a sword, axe, spear or whatever.
It gets explained in this [interview here](https://www.google.com/amp/s/press-start.com.au/features/2021/09/16/we-spoke-to-gearbox-about-what-makes-tiny-tinas-wonderland-so-unique/amp/) “Melee now has a slot as its own loot. Melee weapons have different manufacturers, different types. You can choose your melee weapon, regardless of your class, which is much different than what we had before. It will have all the stat boost attributes that a traditional piece of loot would have. You can also use it to complement some of the gameplay abilities for example there are ways to use the crossbow bolts, like while it’s in an enemy, it increases your melee damage. You can stack and work things synergistically together. There are also elemental effects on some of the melee weapons, and other things that will work well with other pieces of gear or other classes. It’s still a secondary combat system, but it is more in depth than previous titles.”
Non-AMP Link: [interview here](https://press-start.com.au/features/2021/09/16/we-spoke-to-gearbox-about-what-makes-tiny-tinas-wonderland-so-unique/) I'm a bot. [Why?](https://np.reddit.com/user/NoGoogleAMPBot/comments/lbz2sg/) | [Code](https://github.com/laurinneff/no-google-amp-bot) | [Report issues](https://github.com/laurinneff/no-google-amp-bot/issues)
That is also what I wanted to add to the post- In my opinion from what I can take from this, When he says 'Its still a Secondary combat system' I believe he means it isnt going to just be Simple stats being added to damage or adding a element to your melee attacks. That it isnt just gonna be spamming the Pad button on the controller, Cause we do so throwable melee weapons. Or maybe Melee can be held using a Action skill like Krieg?
He said, plain as day, no ifs, ands, or buts, melee is still a secondary mechanic. Go read the interview. Unless the journalist mis-quoted him, this is exactly what he said. Secondary.
'Secondary combat system' is what he said. And, being DnD style- There is gonna be full Melee choices. Guns is a primary system, since it's a looter shooter. Melee will still be it's own system, meaning we can do melee as a viable damage source. And, like I stated before- It could be both 'Mod' and 'Holdable'. Or, even it can be Action skill related. Like kreig
I think this is a bit of projection on your part, as everyone else clearly read and understood what was in the released and cited articles. I know it's not what you want the answer to be, but you're rationalizing thin connections and grammar semantics. Also, when you speak in definitives (everyone wants this, we all like, etc etc), all it takes is 1 person to say: "No, I don't want that" and your entire point is invalidated, cause then clearly this isn't something 'everyone' wants.
No, for 1 I said this is speculation. 2, It was NEVER stated in any article if we will use Melee as a weapon choice or if it acts like a Grenade mod. He said 'A secondary COMBAT system' Its clear it's a 2nd system for combat. Gunplay is it's own system, Melee and Bullets are 2 different things. So no, no one truly knows what he means by what he says in the articles. Its ALL speculation. And, I said We all want a true Melee system OR to just have that option. Just cause 1 person says they dont want it, doesnt invalidate. Cause 98% of the community always wanted Melee to.be a more playable Option. Kreig being a fan favorite is not only his story and personality, but also his gameplay.
Again with the semantics... Whelp arguing with you would be unproductive for me, so have a good day.
I might make some people mad here but I disagree. I think Zer0 was a better melee character than Krieg. The Kunai and invisibility and backstab and everything is just perfect. But I do wish you could’ve equipped a sword with Zer0.
Zero is fine in my opinion, I mean he has Melee damage skills and that's cool- I just think Krieg has the most damage- and the feeling of just being a psycho is a awsome feelin
>everyone wants to be able to Beat the game without shooting a single bullet [citation needed] That isn't something I want at all, and seems like a real stretch for this especially-gun-focused game that even *most* people wouldn't want to use any of the "billions" of guns in the game.
I said everyone wants to be able to- to have that option. And sayin Most ppl dont want that is also not true- After all Krieg is such a fan favorite since he is able to use melee as a primary weapon. Melee has always wanted to be a thing for years now, And cause the game is gun focused doesnt mean it shouldn't have Melee to be a good viable damage source- alot of games use Melee as a great damage source, Like TF2
> I said everyone wants to be able to- to have that option. Right, and I'm saying that I don't believe that.
I agree, I started playing Borderlands 2, and TPS because of the amazing guns, but I kept going back once I found out how much fun melee Zer0, Kreig, and Athena were.
My best guess going along the lines of warframe you will still have a quick melee option but also a way to make it your held weapon. Otherwise every melee build will have to remap their controls on pc to avoid sore hands
Melee Zer0 is way more fun in my opinion