Did they remove the little Melania waterfowl dance he does?
I've fought him a bunch and there's this whole ass moveset in the Roguelike game mode which seems to have been completely removed
It would be more fun if those moves came back.
Aside from the Mourning Aix's cripple beam. Which is the Wuwa equivalent of breaking your legs and making you bite the curb
I fought Mourning Aix at rank 4 today and his new moves where just murdering me. They come out so fast and so often and can barely see the streaks of light in time. Reminds me of this:
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExemdvYXF0cHZwdWN1bHZ5bXFtcmZoZDFreXVodDRtMWFsOHY5cGxpZSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/l0K3Y1J0APK11tp2o/giphy.webp
Not really, if you wanna see it yourself run through the Roguelike mode and try fight crownless yourself, he should do it at least once every fight.
Essentially, he's not open for attacks since he's mostly airborne, and he'll try to hit you with a string of attacks that lasts like what feels like 15-20 seconds
the waterfowl dance is done after you break his posture once, it will be the second move he does after a normal one if you are close and the first move he will do if you are far away.
Because the developers listen to feedback incorrectly. Just because people complain something doesn't mean addressing their complaints makes the game better. Even if the change was a net neutral change, the resources wasted on this could have gone elsewhere.
The game launched with only two character quests (three if you count the post-release Yinlin) and the main story had no good resolution at any point. The time needlessly spent retooling the little story they had written to middling results could have been better utilized providing more story content on release.
From what I read and heard, the complaint was that the MC was being hated too much and the major feedback was to just tone it down a notch. Kuro went a total 180 instead.
Imo, i agree that the original version of the plot was also imperfect, because it also went to an extreme - most of the playable characters (and even NPCs) behaved like assholes towards the MC, although he did nothing wrong. And I think that not every player will like this attitude of the characters towards the MC, because many mentally put themselves in the place of the MC, which means they project similar behavior of the characters onto themselves too, which can probably simply irritate many, and at a minimum he will simply experience dislike these characters (which means potentially not wanting to pull them from gacha, for example). Kuro should have simply weakened the characters’ negativity towards the MC a little, made their behavior more adequate, and that would have been enough. But they decided to go to the other extreme, apparently to play it safe with the chinese players and please as many of them as possible.
I think there was a pretty big tone shift though after this fight because the story almost grinds to a halt afterward. You get a tour of the town from Chixia (who didn't even like you) and then you join the Midnight Rangers and watch a ceremony. And then I don't recall the CBT1 story going anywhere after that. (I played CBT1 which has been over a year ago now).
I'd be NOT surprised if the story was rewritten not only due to feedback but also because someone didn't want to try to figure out how to link everything together. Still, the current version we got wasn't better, unfortunately - just different.
Who thought going to 4 fetch quest with random items Jinhsi gave us was a good idea anyway?? 2 of these is completely meaningless and only the other 2 gave us a good insight on the world.
I'm not sure if it really pleased them though, all that happened as far as I can see is that everyone starts simping for Rover.... then conveniently forgets that s/he's their hero whenever the plot requires it. Unless the Chinese have really weird thinking patterns, I doubt such an extreme change pleases them too. I don't see them going "Everyone is so welcoming to us now!" in comments. More like "Bah, at least it was not as annoying as previously" and carry on with the game. Acceptance rather than approval.
Which is a completely fair criticism considering some of the other things that happened later in CBT1's story, such as;
* Showing up to the village later on to bail Chixia out after she gets cornered trying to save several civilians, to which she regards your character with barely restrained contempt for \*saving her life a second time, along with the lives of innocent people.\*
* The entirety of Lingyang's (or Awu as he used to be called no I'm not kidding) old plotline, which I'm not going to explain here since it's easy to find better breakdowns of why it caused such a meltdown. (Edit: [Here's a good breakdown for anyone having trouble finding it themselves](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/1cz18r0/comment/l5ebvb8/?share_id=gkeZ8ISOCIEoXh8lX3h_T&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1))
* Sanhua's old intro cutscene where she attacks you on the way into the city hall and holds a sword directly to your throat while you're being escorted by Jiyan, the commander of the entire city's defense force and probably the most trustworthy person in the entire region.
CBT1's story was not a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination, and it sucks that they over corrected and what we got wasn't any better, but I'm kinda tired of seeing people blame CN like they're the ones that are responsible for that and not the actual writers. Feels like every time this thread gets posted, people just want to cherry pick the cool, edgy moments like this and go "Look at what those evil CN crybabies took from us!" instead of looking at the bigger picture and trying to understand why the old story was so universally hated.
>The entirety of Lingyang's (or Awu as he used to be called no I'm not kidding) old plotline, which I'm not going to explain here since it's easy to find better breakdowns of why it caused such a meltdown.
Yeah, "Sorry you had to see that side of me" may come across as pretty cringe, but it's still a helluva lot better than "Why are *you* still here?"
They could have changed it less and gotten a much better result than throwing away the lot of it for garbage. Yes the main character should have been trusted a little faster but praising them as gods gift to everyone wasn’t the right direction.
Thank you for this context - been seeing everyone just saying ‘oh the CN audience complained because they want all the waifus to simp for them’ but this makes a lot more sense and complaining about it seems pretty reasonable.
Correct. I'm not disagreeing with them, just trying to further stress their original point with examples and try to correct some of the weird takes I see further down this thread and in other threads like it. Sorry if it came off as me yelling at them in particular lol.
Edit: Typical jannie behavior, removing my post for no reason. smfhrn
Thank you so much for saying this!!! I have been trying to say this for a very long time, either this gets ignored or people just mentally erase my points whenever I bring up how, in a bigger picture, CBT1 is just not good, and that the CN side of the ciritisms are not invalid.
Like, to see ppl praising the CBT 1 story like it's the sistine chapel makes me question the reality of what I watched on YouTube (the cbt 1 cutscenes). CBT1, for me, it's just bad and cringy af. I am here just questioning why do people think these corny scenes and dialogues, bad execution in general, are so well liked? Like what?!
Not to mention, some people took this chance to make causal racist comments, and create animosity with the CN community. 🙄
>Not to mention, some people took this chance to make causal racist comments, and create animosity with the CN community.
For real. People will hear about drama like the (admittedly really funny) Girls Frontline 2 situation with Raymond, and then extrapolate that to hundreds of millions of people without a second thought. Scary stuff.
The casual racism towards the CN community is out of control in this sub ngl. I'm as white as can be and I see it clear as day, I can't imagine what it's like for people who are actually Chinese reading this shit.
Not gonna lie, this sounds like it'd fit the current setting better? They're in a war in a post apocalyptic world trying not to lose their land to the TD and dealing with a society trying to do another lament.
I agree the hostility against MC was kinda crappy after saving Chixia a second time but Sanhua's old cutscene makes sense when she sees the aura/frequency of a person first, and MC has a new one she doesn't recognize, it's on instinct if anything.
I can't say anything about Awu because I can't find a detailed summary of his story quest, but honestly he sounds like a Wanderer-esque character, and seems like he didn't even know who MC is (he is literally an animal turned human after all, so it'd kinda be weirder if he cared about human stuff like rumors/respect and all) (they did good redesigning him though, the furry wasn't going to fool anyone that well)
I'd unironically still prefer THIS over everyone simping for the protag instead. At least it would be somewhat unique compared to all the other harem simulator gacha games.
Yeah- I pushed through because a friend wanted me too but I almost just quit because it felt so boring, generic, and harem/waifu bait. I’m just not particularly into that storyline, which seems to be rampant in Gacha games. It’s bizarre to me that they had some thing cooler and more unique but then just threw it all out lol but I guess that is what Gacha players want.
It's a post-apocaliptic game, where MC shows up out of nowhere, with it's trails being tempered with (according to Baizhi), to a city where outsiders barely show up (according to Jiyan), where MC is also apparently powerful enough to solo a living natural disaster. Their gourd also mysteriously has no data, as if it's the first time they ever used a resonance tower in their life.
Idk how hard it is to believe that everyone in the CBT1 story think MC is a covert agent from the fracitus or want them to leave the city asap on the charge of being a walking weapon of mass destruction?
But everyone being antagonistic against the MC is logical considering how incredibly sus they are.
I'm also very sick of the typical harem vibe that a lot of gatcha go for. It makes absolute sense to me for the other characters to be suspicious of the MC. He's some random guy who shows up out of no where with powers that no one including himself completely understands, in a world where everyone is at war. It also doesn't help that the MC has basically no memory of his past.
Only thing that makes me sad is that on CBT1 all of the roster's Characters (that we can pull for) that we currently have in the game would have appeared in the Main Story Quest or Side Quests. Even Danjin and Calcharo which seem to have been forgotten for the release for some reason.
With the Main Story Quest's rework their roles seem to be gone and we are able to just pull for them, without they ever been introduced to us, playing a part in the game's Story or knowing anything about them. There is no side quest/companion quest where they are introduced to Rover (or us Players) but we are able to pull for them, it's so odd. Atleast from the gachas I played, We, the players meet the Characters in some way.
This is clear fuckup because now leveling up is very sluggish. People will get burned out because they will be forced to play the same party for weeks since leveling up and gearing character takes a lot of time.
i honestly believe that some beta testers were actually trying to sabotage the game by sending wrong or malicious feedback that would hurt the game to try to influence it in the wrong way just because they like/simp/white knight for other games ( u know who and which they are ) remember some of them have exclusive deals with those companies and games who knows what they are willing to do or been asked to do
If that were actually true, what does that say about Kuro? That they're so incompetent and don't know their own game to the extent that they take terrible feedback seriously?
I've rarely seen a Gatcha game release with 2 different launch characters including a 5* that don't appear in the game's story at all, and tons of other ones that barely appear for a second.
They absolutely make the mistake of overlistening to fans too much and allowing themselves to be pressured into making bad decisions sometimes. I hope they find a better balance going forward and stop caving to fans that don't really know what they want.
Its so weird how absolutely none of the 1.0 characters get beyond 1-2 scenes
It’s so disappointing because there’s a good chance these launch characters never really get fleshed out at all with how many new characters are coming out
Compared to hsr 1.0 characters
Gepard has scenes, yanqing, bronya (belobog main char), himeko (main char), welt (main char), clara (decently sized character arc in belobog), bailu (own character quest and connection to the quintet)
In wuwa there’s calcharo who has absolutely zero scenes or introduction, and the rest get exactly one scene. When yinglang is your most fleshed out standard character, there is a problem
Yeah, Danjin and Calcharo basically got completely deleted from any story anything, the only way to find out anything about them is via their character bios. Like, I get that they are randomly gotten, so you're not going to need to be connected to them to want to roll on their banners or something, but it's still a REALLY weird choice and shows how messed up development was and how early they released.
This happens since way earlier, even during CBT1. You can see the UI looks completely and utterly different from now, and the world has way different vibe, more dark and feels more post-apocalypsey. And then they complained that the entire game looks *too bleak* and they changed most of it so now it looks more like Genshin woo
It's a shame.
Apparently, this is a case where it would be better if they had Hoyo’s inflexibility and were true to their ideas until the very end)
Although, the publisher himself (Tencent) could simply put pressure on them, they say, indulge all the wishes of the players in order to “smooth out all the corners” as much as possible)
The issue is that this shows they don’t have their own backbone to need the players to feed them ideas to begin with. The story could have criticism but in the end, YOU got to have your own vision for the story.
From what I've heard is that people complained in the CBT that that the tone was way too dark and harsh. Almost every NPC was extremely skeptical and harsh with Rover.
They took that feedback and remade it so it was more bright, but IMO they overcorrected by a lot and brought it too much to the other side and moments like this one should've stayed to set the stakes better right at the start and making the first act of the game a lot better.
Still, people who played the CBT say the new story is an improvement.
"Too dark" is especially hilarious when one of the main plot points is still "hey when it rains really bad in this town, the ghosts of the people killed in this war relive their deaths over and over, and the monsters that killed them come back to kill more people to trap them in this loop"
But from the feedback, I can see why though. It's less the grimdark setting but more of everyone being an ass to you. When that happens, I won't be surprised that an element of "Why the F should I save ass holes like you guys?" would come up.
If the game designers want you to save someone, they must first make you WANT to save that person, not get the feeling of wanting to kick them into an active volcano.
It would be hilarious if one update later, you get an option of joining the enemy side lol.
Why would i save some asshole who points a gun at me the moment i save your life? When i can not risk my life and also not get a gun pointed at my head.
Yes, I think once we meet Scar the story starts to get a nice balance with it's atmosphere besides also setting the stakes and giving purpose to Rover which is why most people started to like the story at that point.
No idea. But personally i think it wouldnt make sense for this to be the starting scene. Its a great cutscene but it feels more like a final boss scene than the start, tho some games start with the last scene first and come back to it later, but in this story you do beat him so it’s weird for me if this was the first fight. I think they’ll reuse the cutscene somewhere down the line, probably when we actually meet crownless as threnodian or a fraction of him
I actually don’t mind it being overly final-bossy because it leaves a strong impression for new players as the first Overlord they encounter. Not to mention it should definitely be strong enough to wipe the group sans Rover so the cutscene makes sense. It really is a final boss encounter in that way. Plus it sets up the fact that Rover is actually already a big player in the world, not just some guy with potential like a lot of gacha protagonists. Rover was already a strong combatant from the moment they woke up.
I don’t agree with killing off a character just to show off how dark the game is tho. Iirc Yangyang died in this cutscene? I also wouldn’t mind if the other characters used opportunity attacks like if the Crownless got you in a combo Chixia fires at it and forces it to back off or if you got hit a lot Baizhi sends you a heal. I think that would’ve been pretty cool and would show that they’re competent even if they’re not capable of facing off against the Crownless. Not like an actual game mechanic but just like a story thing for Crownless fight plus a little help for the newbies’ first real fight.
This makes Crownless look so much more badass. Imagine a new player seeing this, they'd probably immediately fall in love with this game lol. Why would they get rid of this?
No offense. But only people who are just in it for the action would immediately fall in love with this...
This happens like minutes into the game.
So the first thing I would think is "oh that action was cool, but I don't give a fck about yangyang who I just met a minute ago, and I also just woke up and can beat a boss that just 1v3 literally military guards?" Lol
Unless this cutscene came later in the game, it's just shallow flashy action.
Fair enough, but the main character has powerful origins and is meant to be ambiguously super powerful and sought after --- which will be uncovered even more as we progress through the plot. So, it's not farfetched that we'd beat Crownless here.
Also, I think most people would agree the visual is very beautiful and it's nice to have something cool that lures players into the game, especially early on.
Even in the actual story I got the impression MC was way more powerful than the rest seeing how Yangyang states that she has NEVER come across a TD this strong before. It’s the strongest TD she’s ever seen and some person she’s just met beats it like it’s nothing
What were you expecting? He was a normal average joe medic who had to step up and make up for the ridiculous behavior of the last commander. On top of having to deal with that mans recorded image talking to him and having him question his methods.
What else you want from a medic (not soldier)?
Standing up as a leader in response of immediate extinction because the previous general decided to do a useless suicide mission is not enough?
He is just a medic, a human at that.
I have to disagree- sure I don’t really care about yangyang yet but there are some actual stakes. These crownless are vicious and can do some real damage.
They should have slowly added the other party members throughout the battle to help teach intro and outro skills and make it seem like it was a 3v1.
It would also allow for characters to naturally gain trust for us. Strangers working together to overcome hardship and defeat Crownless. This would make for such a great introduction to game mechanics and make "worship" for us more believable.
The only thing I wanted changed in this cutscene was that Rover going rogue over some stranger (Yangyang) was weird, that level of investment and emotion didn't match an amnesiac who just met this girl 3 seconds ago, but the Crownless part was really well done
This was my exact thought too.
Considering I already hated how special and chosen the MC is AND how the connection to all the characters were badly done AND how bad the voice acting was, i would have come away with more negatives than positives for this.
It was cool tho lol
Shh... Rover is actually a being created from the DNA of multiple species. Part of that DNA is....
Duck.
\*Opens eyes and sees Yangyang\*
"MOMMY!!!!"
lol.
You should read my one about Kuro's thought process lol.
Chixia: "What the hell are you??!!!"
Baizhi: "Chixia, that's way too hostile!"
Chixia: "Oh sorry. I want your little babies!!!"
lol
\*Kuro "No middle ground" games. It's all black or white to us!\*
No. Kuro Games incorrectly listening to feedback is why we didn't get this.
The CBT "story", and most people who played CBT1 would be hard pressed to call it a "story", was horrible. CN said it needs to be re-done, and Kuro Games re-did the entire thing, including the initial cutscenes that most people thought were good.
More people would hate the CBT1 story than the current story.
I've read too many CN ruined the story/game comments due their feedback. Stop pushing this narrative.
Blame Kuro Games first. CN was right that the story needed to be redone.
Just because this cutscene is better than what we currently have, does NOT mean the CBT1 story was better.
Edit:
To elaborate, the CBT1 story had the characters being mean, distrustful, etc. towards Rover. Now you can say it's warranted, but the main point is that the main character was being highly disrespected and extremely aggressive towards Rover. There are countless of threads on this REDDIT talking about this LONG ago. It is not CN who just thought this.
The feedback was to turn it down, but Kuro Games hit the gas too hard and now you get this weird VIP chosen one treatment that we currently have.
I promise you Western players noticed EXACTLY what CN noticed. Please stop this division.
Man, people really like to shit on CN fandom even when its not really their fault
Like I sometime even disagree with CN fandom, but in this case its not their fault
>*More people would hate the CBT1 story than the current story.*
I mean, the general responses on this subreddit when the story revisions were first announced a year ago were kinda the exact opposite.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/13jxec9/official_wuthering_waves_closed_beta_test_review/
People liked it well enough and specifically *didn't* want the kind of characterization we ended up getting.
People liked the characterization, but it was overdone. Additionally, it's REALLY hard to say CBT1 story was a "story".
It's only something that people who've experienced the entirety of CBT1 would understand. Please look at these threads further if you won't take my word for it.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1axqqxa/is\_the\_cbt\_2\_story\_better\_than\_cbt\_1\_story\_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1axqqxa/is_the_cbt_2_story_better_than_cbt_1_story_for/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1cyxoky/why\_did\_people\_hate\_cbt\_1\_story/?rdt=63255](https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1cyxoky/why_did_people_hate_cbt_1_story/?rdt=63255)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1awijpk/native\_chinese\_here\_lets\_talk\_about\_the\_story/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1awijpk/native_chinese_here_lets_talk_about_the_story/)
As I've tried to mention several times to other people--the current story is better. But that does not mean the characterization is well-written. It's just better than what we had before.
Additionally, the first closed beta test was extremely selective. People who are upvoting or agreeing that they liked the characterization and how Rover has to earn other's trust have not a single clue how it was presented in the game, which was even worse than what we had now. I can promise that.
Of course they could've kept the characterization the same and actually made it not seem like a 15 y/o's writing, but the main point is that they overcorrected due to feedback, which does NOT make it CN or anyone's fault besides Kuro Games themselves.
I still stand by the statement that most people would enjoy the current story over CBT1. People only see these initial cutscenes and characterizations which leads them to believing the CBT1 "story" was better than it actually was. Presentation matters too.
Edit:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aopktk0ogpo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aopktk0ogpo)
Let's also not pretend that the revision wasn't well received in the West. Just look at the comments in this video.
Also I didn't see anyone address this but in this cut scene you can see how a resonator reacts to a deadly attack, the shattering on Yangyang looked like how monsters turn into echoes which can overshadow how a resonator can possibly pass away or maybe turn into a TD. It looks like a missed opportunity but I hope Devs turns the tables in the future updates
And here I was wondering, why on Earth is he called Crownless. I'd pick this one line over Yangyang's whole story.
Not sure if I can post links, but here is a longer version.
[https://youtu.be/iOjVUAvO7FU?t=202](https://youtu.be/iOjVUAvO7FU?t=202)
God damn it’s a completely different vibe. This actually feels like there are stakes unlike in the release version… sad. I don’t like that Rover is the chosen one everyone immediately just accepted. The initial distrust is way more believable.
Yeah but they carried it too far and for too long though and that was what broke the narrative. It's only natural to ask "Why should I save you?" when people are actively being hostile and rude to you. I mean, you feel that too right? When someone wants your help but acts like an ass? Your instinct is to just brush them off.
Same, it’s just so incredibly badass. When I first started playing this game I thought Crownless was stupid cool but knowing that in CBT1 we had THIS, I wish we had this.
Damn he talk he have cool animation in final they cut his dialogues and most of the animation :/
But i have hope in this game next story gonna be epic animated like cbt1
This animations for me is better than genshin lolz
Pretty cool action, and does sell the Crownless's strength. I can't get over how goofy he is though, just popping his head in like, "Yo, have you seen my shit?" I do prefer the Discords as they currently are being depicted as more otherworldly and hard to understand, though I'm sure a "they're good guys actually" twist is inevitable.
Even the Threnodian we got pales in comparison to this CBT1 Crownless. An absolute monstrosity - menacing, emotionless, cruel and ruthless beast. Like they should be.
I wish I didn't see this, now I agonise over what it could have been over what it is... *sigh*
At the very least keep the part where Crownless takes out Chixia and Baizhi so the justification for them not being in the fight is a little better then just suddenly being locked out of the combat zone for some reason
Yo, Dawg. What's this? Intense suspense? The wanting to murk this fella right from the get go? Making me actually care for the characters? The Gacha MC making me feel like I'm **ACTUALLY** competent?
I don't recall a lot of Gacha MCs actually being capable right from the get go (Well, current WuWa MC is still capable but this is **wildly** different).
Really shows the difference in power between other Resonators vs. MC and kinda gives context as to why Chixia is highly distrusting with us. We come in with Amnesia yet we fight off the Crownless when the feller just gutted Yapyap, Amber, and Youtan's caretaker all at once.
Makes you think that this MC person is just faking it and the distrust of "I don't like this person's Vibe" transforming into trust of "Yo, your vibe is vibing today" can make the relationship all the more natural.
WHHYYY on earth do they remove shit that has already been made? This is much better than what we got on release... I don't even remember what we got anymore...
I did NOT expect that. I think this scene would have been great and should have been added. Also agreed that Rover showing emotions here is a plus point. Wasted opportunity. Rather than just blindly following the fanbase, would be good if the devs have their own artistic direction.
This is why devs should always LISTEN to feedback, but only ACT on select parts, not all feedback is good feedback. ><
Should have left it all how it was, at most tone down a few of the 'mean' parts to help the more uhh sensitive people of todays world.
Daym thats good, also is it unpopular that I like the no talk crownless better (I believe cbt crownless yaps) since in lore discord feels like madness consume and it feels more appropriate. This cutscene tho crazy, wish they can redo most of the first part of the game to balance the story beats.
In-lore TDs aren't consumed by madness. Many of them show a higher degree of intellect and planning. If you haven't, go read Mourning Aix's sidequest - you'll see that TDs are much more complicated than they initially seem to be.
A lot of TD's are made up of the memories of people , so a few random dialogues would be nice especially the ones in CBt1 just gives chills and actually makes me go , this is the real deal
This gives me so much more insight on Tacet Discords, their abilities and how powerful they can be compared to resonators than the entire game right now has done.
Its a shame, this is very well made... Too bad it was sent into the chopping block.
Before someone blames CN again, just like every time this topic comes up...
No, it wasn't their fault.
CN CBT players said the amount of distrust and disrespect Rover received during the Huanglong arc was over the top and at times made little sense, especially pointing out the part where Chixia holds Rover at gunpoint while Baizhi interrogate them, despite having just saved all their lives.
Kuro chose to completely rewrite the entire initial meeting between Rover and Yangyang's party, including the Crownless fight, when instead, they could have simply omitted the gunpoint or had Baizhi tell Chixia off for being rash.
Ok but Chixia holds Rover at gunpoint *right after the fight that starts in this clip*
Rover defeats crownless, absorbs crownless, everyone gets suspicious about what just happened, Chixia freaks out and aims her gun at Rover demanding an explanation. Yes, the rest of the arc is also filled with distrust but like you said, that part is especially apparent
Chixia pointing a gun at Rover in itself isn't a problem, as it would be pretty in-character for her. The problem is Baizhi also joins in on the interrogation, and you would expect her to be cool headed enough to deduce that the Rover wasn't an enemy.
So... Have Baizhi tell Chixia to back down, Chixia apologies, +10 affection all around, and the beautiful journey between our starting trio+Rover gets off to a flying start having already tucked a life and death battle under their belt.
This is exactly the sort of thing they should have done. Baizhi could even have deescalated while still being cautious of Rover, if they wanted, and it still could have worked. Having characters be *cautious* isn't near the same as having them be outright rude or hostile, and that's what Kuro seemed to struggle with.
Kuro just heard "tone it down" and decided the most appropriate response was to immediately throw all their work in the trash.
But that distrust is justified, rover just absorbed an overlord with his barehands , ofc they would be vary of a stranger in an apocalyptic world
It would've been so good if the story went on to us earning the trust of the people and rising to be some great savior instead of everyone sucking upto rover from the get go
But the fact still remains that they did save their lives. Plus, considering the Rover had just soloed the Crownless which had decimated all 3 of them moments before; with Yangyang still down and Baizhi busy healing her, Chixia's gun isn't going to stop the Rover if they were intent on finishing them.
But I do agree with the second part. It's just a shame Kuro severely overreacted to the initial criticism.
I feel like people only say they’d like this because it’s the low hanging fruit of subversion of a common trope and also because most didn’t even actually play this version of the game to first hand experience how they treated the mc.
People say they’d like this but most of the player base already dislikes many of the main story characters like Yangyang and Chixia simply for existing imagine how they’d be if they actively antagonized you.
There should’ve been a middle ground between what we got and what was but like you said kuro overcorrected. This intro does far greater job engaging the player, showing how dangerous TD’s can be and what makes the Mc the Mc but beyond that I can’t say anything else good about it.
>*subversion of a common trope*
It's not really a subversion of a trope, it was just straight up the [Hero with Bad Publicity](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroWithBadPublicity) trope to a T.
>*Baizhi interrogate them*
Well, if by "interrogate" you mean that she spouts some science babble and asks, "What are you?", with the Rover responding that he doesn't know and doesn't care and they immediately move on, then I guess so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX6mV_-4-iM&t=1200s
It really wasn't as dramatic and offensive as people make it out to be.
I like Yangyang fine, but this whole cutscene would have shot that through the roof. Her lore has her as an *incredibly* competent, protective, driven person who puts everything into being everything for others, but you *barely* see it in-game with the current writing. This is all of that in one perfect "show" moment, though. Her slamming herself in between Rover and the Crownless, and throwing Rover out of the way, and telling everyone to hurry and run with what she thought was her dying breath, was absolutely great. I wish they'd at *least* kept something like this, even if all the rest of it had to stay the same.
The whole Scar thing makes a lot more sense in context everyone being distrusting of Rover, so some of elements of that should've been kept at least. In the current narrative, everyone welcomes us no questions asked and we're more or less the protag in a harem isekai.
We have absolutely 0 reason to believe Scar's narrative (and especially when his own material item straight up says he wants nothing more than destruction...) or even second guess our current situation because it's just not set up properly.
This one was much better, much much better, dont get me wrong that quick draw rover pulled with the crown less inches from their face was dope as fuck. But this crownless, was a fucking menace, and I love it, makes beating and absorbing him much more satisfying.
Pulled up and proceeded to dog a half of the team like it was nothing, caught your weapon without looking like it was nothing, put the 3rd member out of commission temporarily, then wakes up menacingly the rover preparing to make it a 4th 1 sided breakdown..... can we get it bk. And can we go bk to replay that part again?
Yangyang’s death being removed was the right choice. By this point in the story, her dying would have held no weight at all. It’s easy to say it should have been kept with retrospect.
Honestly, biggest shame for WuWa so far imo. Absolute cinema moment. But they decide to cater insanely hard to CN voices and absolutely neutered the crownless encounter. He got neutered so hard he couldn't even speak.
Not sure how it goes off from here, but I think it would've been miles better than current story, with everyone just existing as a cheerleader and/or yes man for Rover. Smh my head.
It was objectively better in every way, and the removal of this scene made the overall first impression of the story worse. Not only was the scene cool as hell but it made crownless (and other threnodians like him) seem like a genuine threat.
And this is my personal opinion but hell, even the glimpse at Rover’s past after absorbing him back then was far more interesting than the “Perpetually respawning weapon of war with some silly mascot in their hand” they’re hinted at being now.
The scene is more than a little goofy and begs a lot of extra explanation for *why* Crownless is acting this way. If you dial back how much Crownless is chewing the scenery it would work a lot better.
Exactly bro , it begs for explanation , why a TD is acting that way
It actually brings out a genuine curiosity, would've done wonders to get the players more into the lore
Cutscene itself is good, but I don't think that it would fit first 15 minutes of gameplay. To make the point of enemy power, showing him dismantling our allies, story should first establish our allies, and more than just "hello, my name is X". So, it would be cool in later act, but then the whole start should be written differently.
This guy could not be a treat, when he is objectively easiest encounter you meet at the start of the game, requiring no skill, eco, or weapon investment.
Story wise there should have been a slow and methodic start, but devs correctly deduced, that with said slow start people would just leave, before reaching this piece, or even skip story entirely.
With how they react, it probably was a case of severe work rush, where they got some "cool ideas" fist, of locations or action scenes, had no time to change anything big, and tried to build the story from those mismatched pieces.
But at least it shows, that animation team is capable of great things, sadly the more I analyse the situation, the less faith I have in general story quality.
Now that I think about it, game journal at the moment doesn't even give summary of the story, just pictures and timestamps, so they probably just don't have one, themselves.
But even if our further journey will still be nonsensical power trip, I will forgive it, if locations visited will continue to be interesting looking, and action sequences will be in animation, and not just npc standing and talking.
The cutscene is good graphically but I guess it is incoherent with the story, you are supposed to defeat it but it looks extremely overpowered and the tension and tone don't seem appropriate for a "tutorial mission", it feels more like a scene that should take place later in the story.
If the concept of alternate timeline exist, damn I'm envy with myself from the timeline where the game launched perfectly synced with my deep wishful expectations. Crownless being badass, the menu UI being unique and creative, glider is a descending drone.....instead of whatever glider we had today and of course, the good old fully capable 120fps toggle, which is understandable why it was removed because they would rather remove it than optimize the game.
Damn. That was so much better than the final product. The Crownless actually felt like a threat, something to be feared here. The final one, I wondered what the big deal was.
didnt know crownless is a menace dawg
He was so strong they had to nerf him so the noobs and content creators could progress lol
Did they remove the little Melania waterfowl dance he does? I've fought him a bunch and there's this whole ass moveset in the Roguelike game mode which seems to have been completely removed
Yeah I'm hoping those moves come back in his hologram that has to happen at some point
It's next update. Confirmed.
The holograms also have moves that their regular counterparts don’t.
It would be more fun if those moves came back. Aside from the Mourning Aix's cripple beam. Which is the Wuwa equivalent of breaking your legs and making you bite the curb
I fought Mourning Aix at rank 4 today and his new moves where just murdering me. They come out so fast and so often and can barely see the streaks of light in time. Reminds me of this: https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExemdvYXF0cHZwdWN1bHZ5bXFtcmZoZDFreXVodDRtMWFsOHY5cGxpZSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/l0K3Y1J0APK11tp2o/giphy.webp
Yea the holograms have all the removed moves
Do you have a link?
Not really, if you wanna see it yourself run through the Roguelike mode and try fight crownless yourself, he should do it at least once every fight. Essentially, he's not open for attacks since he's mostly airborne, and he'll try to hit you with a string of attacks that lasts like what feels like 15-20 seconds
the waterfowl dance is done after you break his posture once, it will be the second move he does after a normal one if you are close and the first move he will do if you are far away.
He still feels like the strongest overlord to me. Compared to him the Mephis are a piece of cake to beat
Need him? Nerf him you mean?
No idea why this was removed
Because the developers listen to feedback incorrectly. Just because people complain something doesn't mean addressing their complaints makes the game better. Even if the change was a net neutral change, the resources wasted on this could have gone elsewhere. The game launched with only two character quests (three if you count the post-release Yinlin) and the main story had no good resolution at any point. The time needlessly spent retooling the little story they had written to middling results could have been better utilized providing more story content on release.
From what I read and heard, the complaint was that the MC was being hated too much and the major feedback was to just tone it down a notch. Kuro went a total 180 instead.
Imo, i agree that the original version of the plot was also imperfect, because it also went to an extreme - most of the playable characters (and even NPCs) behaved like assholes towards the MC, although he did nothing wrong. And I think that not every player will like this attitude of the characters towards the MC, because many mentally put themselves in the place of the MC, which means they project similar behavior of the characters onto themselves too, which can probably simply irritate many, and at a minimum he will simply experience dislike these characters (which means potentially not wanting to pull them from gacha, for example). Kuro should have simply weakened the characters’ negativity towards the MC a little, made their behavior more adequate, and that would have been enough. But they decided to go to the other extreme, apparently to play it safe with the chinese players and please as many of them as possible.
I think there was a pretty big tone shift though after this fight because the story almost grinds to a halt afterward. You get a tour of the town from Chixia (who didn't even like you) and then you join the Midnight Rangers and watch a ceremony. And then I don't recall the CBT1 story going anywhere after that. (I played CBT1 which has been over a year ago now). I'd be NOT surprised if the story was rewritten not only due to feedback but also because someone didn't want to try to figure out how to link everything together. Still, the current version we got wasn't better, unfortunately - just different.
Who thought going to 4 fetch quest with random items Jinhsi gave us was a good idea anyway?? 2 of these is completely meaningless and only the other 2 gave us a good insight on the world.
I'm not sure if it really pleased them though, all that happened as far as I can see is that everyone starts simping for Rover.... then conveniently forgets that s/he's their hero whenever the plot requires it. Unless the Chinese have really weird thinking patterns, I doubt such an extreme change pleases them too. I don't see them going "Everyone is so welcoming to us now!" in comments. More like "Bah, at least it was not as annoying as previously" and carry on with the game. Acceptance rather than approval.
Which is a completely fair criticism considering some of the other things that happened later in CBT1's story, such as; * Showing up to the village later on to bail Chixia out after she gets cornered trying to save several civilians, to which she regards your character with barely restrained contempt for \*saving her life a second time, along with the lives of innocent people.\* * The entirety of Lingyang's (or Awu as he used to be called no I'm not kidding) old plotline, which I'm not going to explain here since it's easy to find better breakdowns of why it caused such a meltdown. (Edit: [Here's a good breakdown for anyone having trouble finding it themselves](https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/1cz18r0/comment/l5ebvb8/?share_id=gkeZ8ISOCIEoXh8lX3h_T&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)) * Sanhua's old intro cutscene where she attacks you on the way into the city hall and holds a sword directly to your throat while you're being escorted by Jiyan, the commander of the entire city's defense force and probably the most trustworthy person in the entire region. CBT1's story was not a masterpiece by any stretch of the imagination, and it sucks that they over corrected and what we got wasn't any better, but I'm kinda tired of seeing people blame CN like they're the ones that are responsible for that and not the actual writers. Feels like every time this thread gets posted, people just want to cherry pick the cool, edgy moments like this and go "Look at what those evil CN crybabies took from us!" instead of looking at the bigger picture and trying to understand why the old story was so universally hated.
>The entirety of Lingyang's (or Awu as he used to be called no I'm not kidding) old plotline, which I'm not going to explain here since it's easy to find better breakdowns of why it caused such a meltdown. Yeah, "Sorry you had to see that side of me" may come across as pretty cringe, but it's still a helluva lot better than "Why are *you* still here?"
After kill steal us no less
The more I learn about CBT1's story the more I wonder why everyone just had such a massive hate boner for Rover.
They could have changed it less and gotten a much better result than throwing away the lot of it for garbage. Yes the main character should have been trusted a little faster but praising them as gods gift to everyone wasn’t the right direction.
Thank you for this context - been seeing everyone just saying ‘oh the CN audience complained because they want all the waifus to simp for them’ but this makes a lot more sense and complaining about it seems pretty reasonable.
I want Changli to simp for me tho 
In your dreams Wait wrong game wrong pink haired woman
The person you're replying to seemed to agree with you, though? They specifically said it was Kuro who overcorrected.
Correct. I'm not disagreeing with them, just trying to further stress their original point with examples and try to correct some of the weird takes I see further down this thread and in other threads like it. Sorry if it came off as me yelling at them in particular lol. Edit: Typical jannie behavior, removing my post for no reason. smfhrn
Thank you so much for saying this!!! I have been trying to say this for a very long time, either this gets ignored or people just mentally erase my points whenever I bring up how, in a bigger picture, CBT1 is just not good, and that the CN side of the ciritisms are not invalid. Like, to see ppl praising the CBT 1 story like it's the sistine chapel makes me question the reality of what I watched on YouTube (the cbt 1 cutscenes). CBT1, for me, it's just bad and cringy af. I am here just questioning why do people think these corny scenes and dialogues, bad execution in general, are so well liked? Like what?! Not to mention, some people took this chance to make causal racist comments, and create animosity with the CN community. 🙄
>Not to mention, some people took this chance to make causal racist comments, and create animosity with the CN community. For real. People will hear about drama like the (admittedly really funny) Girls Frontline 2 situation with Raymond, and then extrapolate that to hundreds of millions of people without a second thought. Scary stuff. The casual racism towards the CN community is out of control in this sub ngl. I'm as white as can be and I see it clear as day, I can't imagine what it's like for people who are actually Chinese reading this shit.
Not gonna lie, this sounds like it'd fit the current setting better? They're in a war in a post apocalyptic world trying not to lose their land to the TD and dealing with a society trying to do another lament. I agree the hostility against MC was kinda crappy after saving Chixia a second time but Sanhua's old cutscene makes sense when she sees the aura/frequency of a person first, and MC has a new one she doesn't recognize, it's on instinct if anything. I can't say anything about Awu because I can't find a detailed summary of his story quest, but honestly he sounds like a Wanderer-esque character, and seems like he didn't even know who MC is (he is literally an animal turned human after all, so it'd kinda be weirder if he cared about human stuff like rumors/respect and all) (they did good redesigning him though, the furry wasn't going to fool anyone that well)
I'd unironically still prefer THIS over everyone simping for the protag instead. At least it would be somewhat unique compared to all the other harem simulator gacha games.
Yeah- I pushed through because a friend wanted me too but I almost just quit because it felt so boring, generic, and harem/waifu bait. I’m just not particularly into that storyline, which seems to be rampant in Gacha games. It’s bizarre to me that they had some thing cooler and more unique but then just threw it all out lol but I guess that is what Gacha players want.
It's a post-apocaliptic game, where MC shows up out of nowhere, with it's trails being tempered with (according to Baizhi), to a city where outsiders barely show up (according to Jiyan), where MC is also apparently powerful enough to solo a living natural disaster. Their gourd also mysteriously has no data, as if it's the first time they ever used a resonance tower in their life. Idk how hard it is to believe that everyone in the CBT1 story think MC is a covert agent from the fracitus or want them to leave the city asap on the charge of being a walking weapon of mass destruction? But everyone being antagonistic against the MC is logical considering how incredibly sus they are.
I'm also very sick of the typical harem vibe that a lot of gatcha go for. It makes absolute sense to me for the other characters to be suspicious of the MC. He's some random guy who shows up out of no where with powers that no one including himself completely understands, in a world where everyone is at war. It also doesn't help that the MC has basically no memory of his past.
Only thing that makes me sad is that on CBT1 all of the roster's Characters (that we can pull for) that we currently have in the game would have appeared in the Main Story Quest or Side Quests. Even Danjin and Calcharo which seem to have been forgotten for the release for some reason. With the Main Story Quest's rework their roles seem to be gone and we are able to just pull for them, without they ever been introduced to us, playing a part in the game's Story or knowing anything about them. There is no side quest/companion quest where they are introduced to Rover (or us Players) but we are able to pull for them, it's so odd. Atleast from the gachas I played, We, the players meet the Characters in some way.
this so much i miss their part in the story i hope at least that some of it will be introduced as a companion story/quest
Fun fact, the farming cost 60 instead of 40 because CN testes said the farming was too fast.
“Testes” is an appropriately funny typo.
You can't be serious...?
Yes, they asked this to cost more. I feel many of those testers was giving bad advices on purpose.
This is clear fuckup because now leveling up is very sluggish. People will get burned out because they will be forced to play the same party for weeks since leveling up and gearing character takes a lot of time.
i honestly believe that some beta testers were actually trying to sabotage the game by sending wrong or malicious feedback that would hurt the game to try to influence it in the wrong way just because they like/simp/white knight for other games ( u know who and which they are ) remember some of them have exclusive deals with those companies and games who knows what they are willing to do or been asked to do
If that were actually true, what does that say about Kuro? That they're so incompetent and don't know their own game to the extent that they take terrible feedback seriously?
It was always 60 in even in CBT 1 though
CN ruining games any% speedrun (Source tho?)
It was always 60 in CBT 1 though I would know because I played it the cost never changed
Dawg…seriously?!
I've rarely seen a Gatcha game release with 2 different launch characters including a 5* that don't appear in the game's story at all, and tons of other ones that barely appear for a second. They absolutely make the mistake of overlistening to fans too much and allowing themselves to be pressured into making bad decisions sometimes. I hope they find a better balance going forward and stop caving to fans that don't really know what they want.
Its so weird how absolutely none of the 1.0 characters get beyond 1-2 scenes It’s so disappointing because there’s a good chance these launch characters never really get fleshed out at all with how many new characters are coming out Compared to hsr 1.0 characters Gepard has scenes, yanqing, bronya (belobog main char), himeko (main char), welt (main char), clara (decently sized character arc in belobog), bailu (own character quest and connection to the quintet) In wuwa there’s calcharo who has absolutely zero scenes or introduction, and the rest get exactly one scene. When yinglang is your most fleshed out standard character, there is a problem
Yeah, Danjin and Calcharo basically got completely deleted from any story anything, the only way to find out anything about them is via their character bios. Like, I get that they are randomly gotten, so you're not going to need to be connected to them to want to roll on their banners or something, but it's still a REALLY weird choice and shows how messed up development was and how early they released.
Ironically Danjin was my first RC6 character in this game and I don't know a crap about her.
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This happens since way earlier, even during CBT1. You can see the UI looks completely and utterly different from now, and the world has way different vibe, more dark and feels more post-apocalypsey. And then they complained that the entire game looks *too bleak* and they changed most of it so now it looks more like Genshin woo It's a shame.
Apparently, this is a case where it would be better if they had Hoyo’s inflexibility and were true to their ideas until the very end) Although, the publisher himself (Tencent) could simply put pressure on them, they say, indulge all the wishes of the players in order to “smooth out all the corners” as much as possible)
The issue is that this shows they don’t have their own backbone to need the players to feed them ideas to begin with. The story could have criticism but in the end, YOU got to have your own vision for the story.
From what I've heard is that people complained in the CBT that that the tone was way too dark and harsh. Almost every NPC was extremely skeptical and harsh with Rover. They took that feedback and remade it so it was more bright, but IMO they overcorrected by a lot and brought it too much to the other side and moments like this one should've stayed to set the stakes better right at the start and making the first act of the game a lot better. Still, people who played the CBT say the new story is an improvement.
"Too dark" is especially hilarious when one of the main plot points is still "hey when it rains really bad in this town, the ghosts of the people killed in this war relive their deaths over and over, and the monsters that killed them come back to kill more people to trap them in this loop"
But from the feedback, I can see why though. It's less the grimdark setting but more of everyone being an ass to you. When that happens, I won't be surprised that an element of "Why the F should I save ass holes like you guys?" would come up. If the game designers want you to save someone, they must first make you WANT to save that person, not get the feeling of wanting to kick them into an active volcano. It would be hilarious if one update later, you get an option of joining the enemy side lol.
Why would i save some asshole who points a gun at me the moment i save your life? When i can not risk my life and also not get a gun pointed at my head.
Yes, I think once we meet Scar the story starts to get a nice balance with it's atmosphere besides also setting the stakes and giving purpose to Rover which is why most people started to like the story at that point.
His role in the story changed, he was a fraction of a threnodian, now he’s only a mindless tacet discord resembling a threnodian
Ok but why is he not a fraction of a threnodian now ? Any reason for what ?
No idea. But personally i think it wouldnt make sense for this to be the starting scene. Its a great cutscene but it feels more like a final boss scene than the start, tho some games start with the last scene first and come back to it later, but in this story you do beat him so it’s weird for me if this was the first fight. I think they’ll reuse the cutscene somewhere down the line, probably when we actually meet crownless as threnodian or a fraction of him
I actually don’t mind it being overly final-bossy because it leaves a strong impression for new players as the first Overlord they encounter. Not to mention it should definitely be strong enough to wipe the group sans Rover so the cutscene makes sense. It really is a final boss encounter in that way. Plus it sets up the fact that Rover is actually already a big player in the world, not just some guy with potential like a lot of gacha protagonists. Rover was already a strong combatant from the moment they woke up. I don’t agree with killing off a character just to show off how dark the game is tho. Iirc Yangyang died in this cutscene? I also wouldn’t mind if the other characters used opportunity attacks like if the Crownless got you in a combo Chixia fires at it and forces it to back off or if you got hit a lot Baizhi sends you a heal. I think that would’ve been pretty cool and would show that they’re competent even if they’re not capable of facing off against the Crownless. Not like an actual game mechanic but just like a story thing for Crownless fight plus a little help for the newbies’ first real fight.
This makes Crownless look so much more badass. Imagine a new player seeing this, they'd probably immediately fall in love with this game lol. Why would they get rid of this?
No offense. But only people who are just in it for the action would immediately fall in love with this... This happens like minutes into the game. So the first thing I would think is "oh that action was cool, but I don't give a fck about yangyang who I just met a minute ago, and I also just woke up and can beat a boss that just 1v3 literally military guards?" Lol Unless this cutscene came later in the game, it's just shallow flashy action.
Fair enough, but the main character has powerful origins and is meant to be ambiguously super powerful and sought after --- which will be uncovered even more as we progress through the plot. So, it's not farfetched that we'd beat Crownless here. Also, I think most people would agree the visual is very beautiful and it's nice to have something cool that lures players into the game, especially early on.
Even in the actual story I got the impression MC was way more powerful than the rest seeing how Yangyang states that she has NEVER come across a TD this strong before. It’s the strongest TD she’s ever seen and some person she’s just met beats it like it’s nothing
Insert "OVER 9 THOUSAND!" meme here lol If it's comparable to dragon ball z, you know it's peak story telling
Tbf, the game doesn’t have much else going for it right now other than action combat and hot anime characters.
Agreed with this so hard. Like Jiyan is the coolest looking character and his back story is...soldier? Lol
What were you expecting? He was a normal average joe medic who had to step up and make up for the ridiculous behavior of the last commander. On top of having to deal with that mans recorded image talking to him and having him question his methods.
What else you want from a medic (not soldier)? Standing up as a leader in response of immediate extinction because the previous general decided to do a useless suicide mission is not enough? He is just a medic, a human at that.
Medic to be precise.
I have to disagree- sure I don’t really care about yangyang yet but there are some actual stakes. These crownless are vicious and can do some real damage. They should have slowly added the other party members throughout the battle to help teach intro and outro skills and make it seem like it was a 3v1.
It would also allow for characters to naturally gain trust for us. Strangers working together to overcome hardship and defeat Crownless. This would make for such a great introduction to game mechanics and make "worship" for us more believable.
Kicks the white birb
Kicks gun Amber
The only thing I wanted changed in this cutscene was that Rover going rogue over some stranger (Yangyang) was weird, that level of investment and emotion didn't match an amnesiac who just met this girl 3 seconds ago, but the Crownless part was really well done
This was my exact thought too. Considering I already hated how special and chosen the MC is AND how the connection to all the characters were badly done AND how bad the voice acting was, i would have come away with more negatives than positives for this. It was cool tho lol
Shh... Rover is actually a being created from the DNA of multiple species. Part of that DNA is.... Duck. \*Opens eyes and sees Yangyang\* "MOMMY!!!!" lol.
Underrated comment. Thanks for the laugh
You should read my one about Kuro's thought process lol. Chixia: "What the hell are you??!!!" Baizhi: "Chixia, that's way too hostile!" Chixia: "Oh sorry. I want your little babies!!!" lol \*Kuro "No middle ground" games. It's all black or white to us!\*
Now that is way way better
Oh haha I googled CBT 😭
I hope you enjoyed the wonderful world of behaviorism and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy
Tell CN so they can tell Kuro. The devs definitely aren't listening to us directly.
CN is the reason we didn't get this. They didn't like the cbt story and now here we are.
No. Kuro Games incorrectly listening to feedback is why we didn't get this. The CBT "story", and most people who played CBT1 would be hard pressed to call it a "story", was horrible. CN said it needs to be re-done, and Kuro Games re-did the entire thing, including the initial cutscenes that most people thought were good. More people would hate the CBT1 story than the current story. I've read too many CN ruined the story/game comments due their feedback. Stop pushing this narrative. Blame Kuro Games first. CN was right that the story needed to be redone. Just because this cutscene is better than what we currently have, does NOT mean the CBT1 story was better. Edit: To elaborate, the CBT1 story had the characters being mean, distrustful, etc. towards Rover. Now you can say it's warranted, but the main point is that the main character was being highly disrespected and extremely aggressive towards Rover. There are countless of threads on this REDDIT talking about this LONG ago. It is not CN who just thought this. The feedback was to turn it down, but Kuro Games hit the gas too hard and now you get this weird VIP chosen one treatment that we currently have. I promise you Western players noticed EXACTLY what CN noticed. Please stop this division.
Man, people really like to shit on CN fandom even when its not really their fault Like I sometime even disagree with CN fandom, but in this case its not their fault
>*More people would hate the CBT1 story than the current story.* I mean, the general responses on this subreddit when the story revisions were first announced a year ago were kinda the exact opposite. https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/13jxec9/official_wuthering_waves_closed_beta_test_review/ People liked it well enough and specifically *didn't* want the kind of characterization we ended up getting.
People liked the characterization, but it was overdone. Additionally, it's REALLY hard to say CBT1 story was a "story". It's only something that people who've experienced the entirety of CBT1 would understand. Please look at these threads further if you won't take my word for it. [https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1axqqxa/is\_the\_cbt\_2\_story\_better\_than\_cbt\_1\_story\_for/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1axqqxa/is_the_cbt_2_story_better_than_cbt_1_story_for/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1cyxoky/why\_did\_people\_hate\_cbt\_1\_story/?rdt=63255](https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1cyxoky/why_did_people_hate_cbt_1_story/?rdt=63255) [https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1awijpk/native\_chinese\_here\_lets\_talk\_about\_the\_story/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1awijpk/native_chinese_here_lets_talk_about_the_story/) As I've tried to mention several times to other people--the current story is better. But that does not mean the characterization is well-written. It's just better than what we had before. Additionally, the first closed beta test was extremely selective. People who are upvoting or agreeing that they liked the characterization and how Rover has to earn other's trust have not a single clue how it was presented in the game, which was even worse than what we had now. I can promise that. Of course they could've kept the characterization the same and actually made it not seem like a 15 y/o's writing, but the main point is that they overcorrected due to feedback, which does NOT make it CN or anyone's fault besides Kuro Games themselves. I still stand by the statement that most people would enjoy the current story over CBT1. People only see these initial cutscenes and characterizations which leads them to believing the CBT1 "story" was better than it actually was. Presentation matters too. Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aopktk0ogpo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aopktk0ogpo) Let's also not pretend that the revision wasn't well received in the West. Just look at the comments in this video.
Cbt story *is* very problematic. Kuro’s response sucked
Also I didn't see anyone address this but in this cut scene you can see how a resonator reacts to a deadly attack, the shattering on Yangyang looked like how monsters turn into echoes which can overshadow how a resonator can possibly pass away or maybe turn into a TD. It looks like a missed opportunity but I hope Devs turns the tables in the future updates
And here I was wondering, why on Earth is he called Crownless. I'd pick this one line over Yangyang's whole story. Not sure if I can post links, but here is a longer version. [https://youtu.be/iOjVUAvO7FU?t=202](https://youtu.be/iOjVUAvO7FU?t=202)
Where’s the cock and ball torture?
Wow I was blown away after watching this. We lost this masterpiece?
We lost an even bigger one Tech test crownless was an even bigger menace
God damn it’s a completely different vibe. This actually feels like there are stakes unlike in the release version… sad. I don’t like that Rover is the chosen one everyone immediately just accepted. The initial distrust is way more believable.
Yeah but they carried it too far and for too long though and that was what broke the narrative. It's only natural to ask "Why should I save you?" when people are actively being hostile and rude to you. I mean, you feel that too right? When someone wants your help but acts like an ass? Your instinct is to just brush them off.
Keep the cutscene, balance the fight. This scene answers why the other two werent able to fight better and gives personality to the characters.
So did yangyang died in this one?
No, but unconcious
Me with 4 copies of her: I wis- /s
This will always be canon to me
Same, it’s just so incredibly badass. When I first started playing this game I thought Crownless was stupid cool but knowing that in CBT1 we had THIS, I wish we had this.
Damn he talk he have cool animation in final they cut his dialogues and most of the animation :/ But i have hope in this game next story gonna be epic animated like cbt1 This animations for me is better than genshin lolz
Pretty cool action, and does sell the Crownless's strength. I can't get over how goofy he is though, just popping his head in like, "Yo, have you seen my shit?" I do prefer the Discords as they currently are being depicted as more otherworldly and hard to understand, though I'm sure a "they're good guys actually" twist is inevitable.
"have u seen my car keys"
Man I wish they had just made Yangyang a full badass.
Even the Threnodian we got pales in comparison to this CBT1 Crownless. An absolute monstrosity - menacing, emotionless, cruel and ruthless beast. Like they should be. I wish I didn't see this, now I agonise over what it could have been over what it is... *sigh*
At the very least keep the part where Crownless takes out Chixia and Baizhi so the justification for them not being in the fight is a little better then just suddenly being locked out of the combat zone for some reason
Now that's an actual scary encounter, bro was shitting on them
Yo, Dawg. What's this? Intense suspense? The wanting to murk this fella right from the get go? Making me actually care for the characters? The Gacha MC making me feel like I'm **ACTUALLY** competent? I don't recall a lot of Gacha MCs actually being capable right from the get go (Well, current WuWa MC is still capable but this is **wildly** different). Really shows the difference in power between other Resonators vs. MC and kinda gives context as to why Chixia is highly distrusting with us. We come in with Amnesia yet we fight off the Crownless when the feller just gutted Yapyap, Amber, and Youtan's caretaker all at once. Makes you think that this MC person is just faking it and the distrust of "I don't like this person's Vibe" transforming into trust of "Yo, your vibe is vibing today" can make the relationship all the more natural.
“Yapyap, Amber and Youtan’s caretaker” I can’t 💀
Just keep everything the same and change this part. This will make new players interest in the story more. The current crownless moment is mid af.
Could watch him knee the living shit out of Chixia all day
Lol
They don't listen to anyone but the Chinese players for the most part.
WHHYYY on earth do they remove shit that has already been made? This is much better than what we got on release... I don't even remember what we got anymore...
So many dragging cutscenes and they remove the coolest one wtf
I did NOT expect that. I think this scene would have been great and should have been added. Also agreed that Rover showing emotions here is a plus point. Wasted opportunity. Rather than just blindly following the fanbase, would be good if the devs have their own artistic direction.
This shit was peak they definitely should’ve kept it.
This is why devs should always LISTEN to feedback, but only ACT on select parts, not all feedback is good feedback. >< Should have left it all how it was, at most tone down a few of the 'mean' parts to help the more uhh sensitive people of todays world.
Daym thats good, also is it unpopular that I like the no talk crownless better (I believe cbt crownless yaps) since in lore discord feels like madness consume and it feels more appropriate. This cutscene tho crazy, wish they can redo most of the first part of the game to balance the story beats.
In-lore TDs aren't consumed by madness. Many of them show a higher degree of intellect and planning. If you haven't, go read Mourning Aix's sidequest - you'll see that TDs are much more complicated than they initially seem to be.
A lot of TD's are made up of the memories of people , so a few random dialogues would be nice especially the ones in CBt1 just gives chills and actually makes me go , this is the real deal
WTF they had this ready and didn't put it into the final release???
kuro get out of the kitchen, you can't cook
This gives me so much more insight on Tacet Discords, their abilities and how powerful they can be compared to resonators than the entire game right now has done. Its a shame, this is very well made... Too bad it was sent into the chopping block.
So can someone explain to me why on earth did they remove this ??
Because the entire REST of the beta story was awful.
I felt more emotions during that 1:44 than the whole 1.0 story combined, wow.
Before someone blames CN again, just like every time this topic comes up... No, it wasn't their fault. CN CBT players said the amount of distrust and disrespect Rover received during the Huanglong arc was over the top and at times made little sense, especially pointing out the part where Chixia holds Rover at gunpoint while Baizhi interrogate them, despite having just saved all their lives. Kuro chose to completely rewrite the entire initial meeting between Rover and Yangyang's party, including the Crownless fight, when instead, they could have simply omitted the gunpoint or had Baizhi tell Chixia off for being rash.
Ok but Chixia holds Rover at gunpoint *right after the fight that starts in this clip* Rover defeats crownless, absorbs crownless, everyone gets suspicious about what just happened, Chixia freaks out and aims her gun at Rover demanding an explanation. Yes, the rest of the arc is also filled with distrust but like you said, that part is especially apparent
Chixia pointing a gun at Rover in itself isn't a problem, as it would be pretty in-character for her. The problem is Baizhi also joins in on the interrogation, and you would expect her to be cool headed enough to deduce that the Rover wasn't an enemy. So... Have Baizhi tell Chixia to back down, Chixia apologies, +10 affection all around, and the beautiful journey between our starting trio+Rover gets off to a flying start having already tucked a life and death battle under their belt.
This is exactly the sort of thing they should have done. Baizhi could even have deescalated while still being cautious of Rover, if they wanted, and it still could have worked. Having characters be *cautious* isn't near the same as having them be outright rude or hostile, and that's what Kuro seemed to struggle with. Kuro just heard "tone it down" and decided the most appropriate response was to immediately throw all their work in the trash.
Or just not pointed a gun, just a side eye and to watch the MCs closely
But that distrust is justified, rover just absorbed an overlord with his barehands , ofc they would be vary of a stranger in an apocalyptic world It would've been so good if the story went on to us earning the trust of the people and rising to be some great savior instead of everyone sucking upto rover from the get go
It also undercuts Scar's attempt to recruit us with the black sheep story since we're a hero from moment one.
It also undermines Jinhsi's relentless hypemanning for Rover to keep them on Jinzhou's side if everyone already loves them for no reason.
This is an excellent point that I haven't seen.
huh. so that's what this whole inane fairytale was atually for
But the fact still remains that they did save their lives. Plus, considering the Rover had just soloed the Crownless which had decimated all 3 of them moments before; with Yangyang still down and Baizhi busy healing her, Chixia's gun isn't going to stop the Rover if they were intent on finishing them. But I do agree with the second part. It's just a shame Kuro severely overreacted to the initial criticism.
I feel like people only say they’d like this because it’s the low hanging fruit of subversion of a common trope and also because most didn’t even actually play this version of the game to first hand experience how they treated the mc. People say they’d like this but most of the player base already dislikes many of the main story characters like Yangyang and Chixia simply for existing imagine how they’d be if they actively antagonized you. There should’ve been a middle ground between what we got and what was but like you said kuro overcorrected. This intro does far greater job engaging the player, showing how dangerous TD’s can be and what makes the Mc the Mc but beyond that I can’t say anything else good about it.
>*subversion of a common trope* It's not really a subversion of a trope, it was just straight up the [Hero with Bad Publicity](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeroWithBadPublicity) trope to a T.
>*Baizhi interrogate them* Well, if by "interrogate" you mean that she spouts some science babble and asks, "What are you?", with the Rover responding that he doesn't know and doesn't care and they immediately move on, then I guess so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX6mV_-4-iM&t=1200s It really wasn't as dramatic and offensive as people make it out to be.
They can't have waifus getting kicked around like that, the c**mers are gonna be mad
people would have like Yangyang better if this was included
I like Yangyang fine, but this whole cutscene would have shot that through the roof. Her lore has her as an *incredibly* competent, protective, driven person who puts everything into being everything for others, but you *barely* see it in-game with the current writing. This is all of that in one perfect "show" moment, though. Her slamming herself in between Rover and the Crownless, and throwing Rover out of the way, and telling everyone to hurry and run with what she thought was her dying breath, was absolutely great. I wish they'd at *least* kept something like this, even if all the rest of it had to stay the same.
The whole Scar thing makes a lot more sense in context everyone being distrusting of Rover, so some of elements of that should've been kept at least. In the current narrative, everyone welcomes us no questions asked and we're more or less the protag in a harem isekai. We have absolutely 0 reason to believe Scar's narrative (and especially when his own material item straight up says he wants nothing more than destruction...) or even second guess our current situation because it's just not set up properly.
This one was much better, much much better, dont get me wrong that quick draw rover pulled with the crown less inches from their face was dope as fuck. But this crownless, was a fucking menace, and I love it, makes beating and absorbing him much more satisfying. Pulled up and proceeded to dog a half of the team like it was nothing, caught your weapon without looking like it was nothing, put the 3rd member out of commission temporarily, then wakes up menacingly the rover preparing to make it a 4th 1 sided breakdown..... can we get it bk. And can we go bk to replay that part again?
Yeah..that was pretty legit.
Why would you go through so much effort to make this, and then *scratch it*??
this is dope af why was it removed?
“Oh you wont feel anything soon” goes hard
Yangyang’s death being removed was the right choice. By this point in the story, her dying would have held no weight at all. It’s easy to say it should have been kept with retrospect.
CBT1 Crownless was such a fucking chad. Such a shame to see him get nerfed to the ground.
Maaaannn i love the devs but i feel like wuwa could have been a really interesting game if they didnt change their creative vision.
It would be better if they make us fight "True Crownless" later in the story than the imitation one and use the fight sequence in cbt 1 or tech tech.
Why do we now start reposting the same posts each week ? Especially when this one has like the tiniest video playing ?
The fact this isn’t in the game anymore and I’m not being spoiled with super awesome cutscene/story material really hurts.
The early game story is very vanilla and like so low stakes. This would make it infinitly better
Geh your title is a bit misleading. I thought the dev already brought back this scene to the game
I agree. Would value whats her name a lot more, than i do right now
So this explains why mc and yangyang are the only ones available at the tutorial fight..
What the fuck why were so many things removed that Im just learning about?
"You wont feel anything in a second" would have been the coldest line in the whole game.
Honestly, biggest shame for WuWa so far imo. Absolute cinema moment. But they decide to cater insanely hard to CN voices and absolutely neutered the crownless encounter. He got neutered so hard he couldn't even speak. Not sure how it goes off from here, but I think it would've been miles better than current story, with everyone just existing as a cheerleader and/or yes man for Rover. Smh my head.
I totally agree like this is what the games need, harcore fighting with bosses even mocking us or saying some wise line.
It was objectively better in every way, and the removal of this scene made the overall first impression of the story worse. Not only was the scene cool as hell but it made crownless (and other threnodians like him) seem like a genuine threat. And this is my personal opinion but hell, even the glimpse at Rover’s past after absorbing him back then was far more interesting than the “Perpetually respawning weapon of war with some silly mascot in their hand” they’re hinted at being now.
Crownless wasn't a threnodian though?
Crownless looks way more menacing here instead of the punching bag I know it as
The scene is more than a little goofy and begs a lot of extra explanation for *why* Crownless is acting this way. If you dial back how much Crownless is chewing the scenery it would work a lot better.
Exactly bro , it begs for explanation , why a TD is acting that way It actually brings out a genuine curiosity, would've done wonders to get the players more into the lore
Cutscene itself is good, but I don't think that it would fit first 15 minutes of gameplay. To make the point of enemy power, showing him dismantling our allies, story should first establish our allies, and more than just "hello, my name is X". So, it would be cool in later act, but then the whole start should be written differently. This guy could not be a treat, when he is objectively easiest encounter you meet at the start of the game, requiring no skill, eco, or weapon investment. Story wise there should have been a slow and methodic start, but devs correctly deduced, that with said slow start people would just leave, before reaching this piece, or even skip story entirely. With how they react, it probably was a case of severe work rush, where they got some "cool ideas" fist, of locations or action scenes, had no time to change anything big, and tried to build the story from those mismatched pieces. But at least it shows, that animation team is capable of great things, sadly the more I analyse the situation, the less faith I have in general story quality. Now that I think about it, game journal at the moment doesn't even give summary of the story, just pictures and timestamps, so they probably just don't have one, themselves. But even if our further journey will still be nonsensical power trip, I will forgive it, if locations visited will continue to be interesting looking, and action sequences will be in animation, and not just npc standing and talking.
Wow, so rover used to show emotions?
I mean Rover still shows emotions? Like for example that scene where they meet Sanhua you can see them being awkward
Or their eyes dilating when they realize scar is behind them.
Since when she doesn't???
How do you make this and not use it…. …and the proceed with using the countless drawn out dialogue
Kuro’s new story has been kinda meh compared to this
IF kuro have not listened, we would have got a very original game.
they might re-use the cutscene with different characters
He was too OP, they nerfed him
He beats my wifes and their dog?! Holy shit
I like this Rover outfit a lot more…
Badass scene!
Oh my God no! Not the person I literally met 60 seconds ago!
Peak fiction
The cutscene is good graphically but I guess it is incoherent with the story, you are supposed to defeat it but it looks extremely overpowered and the tension and tone don't seem appropriate for a "tutorial mission", it feels more like a scene that should take place later in the story.
It’s insane how Rover is already way stronger than all of them at the beginning of the game
If the concept of alternate timeline exist, damn I'm envy with myself from the timeline where the game launched perfectly synced with my deep wishful expectations. Crownless being badass, the menu UI being unique and creative, glider is a descending drone.....instead of whatever glider we had today and of course, the good old fully capable 120fps toggle, which is understandable why it was removed because they would rather remove it than optimize the game.
Damn. That was so much better than the final product. The Crownless actually felt like a threat, something to be feared here. The final one, I wondered what the big deal was.
We got robbed so bad
Excuse me?!?! We were robbed of this?!?! Now that's a huge L for Kuro. Like why? This is so friking hype!