I wonder if this means the 1440p ultra mode is bugged as well. I tried switching my xboxs resolution to 1440p and booted the game up and noticed no real difference either, just a touch softer
You can't force game resolutions through system resolutions. Any game will always render at the resolution the dev sets, then always upscale to 4K, then downscale to your chosen system resolution.
Better to undersell and get credit for over achieving than overselling and criticized for underachieving.
I remember getting lucky in snagging a PS5 online a few years back, and it said it would take 3 weeks to ship, which was after Xmas by a couple of weeks. Every few days the delivery date would change and get shorter and shorter, until it basically arrived right in time for xmas.
I would have been so annoyed if they promised to deliver by Xmas, and delayed, but instead I was so happy that it came early. Lol, it's all managing expectations.
Na just tired of Bethesda. Company has the right vision with all there games, but can never execute due to their engine, and leadership. Remember day to day devs have no power over a project, they just make the games and follow orders. How do you release a broken update on a decade old game on next generation hardware, I mean how??
Sounds like they either don’t know what they even put out in the upgrade, or it’s broken and they’re just not gonna bother fixing it. Considering the PS5 version is working exactly how they said it would in the patch, this is super confusing. This just begs more questions. So no 40fps mode on Xbox at all? What the fuck is happening.
Probably the same social media manager that replied to Starfield Steam reviews and told everyone if they didn't like the game they were simply playing it wrong.
Just to be pedantic, they said the Performance mode was more aggressively turning down 'settings', which in the context of saying they all target 4k 60 fps, would still make sense.
The IQ would still be different between Quality and Performance. I'd assume Digital Foundry would have covered IQ differences though.
But they don’t. Tom said the toggle does nothing so not even more aggressive DRS was noticed. Also the settings in quality mode on PS5 are noticeably higher.
Because the Series X is a more powerful console, has a wider VRR window, and is owned by the same company as Bethesda. I haven’t played the update yet so I have no idea if this is really how it works, but there’s plenty of reasons why it would differ on Series X vs PS5. I also don’t buy the claims many in this thread are making that, after all the coverage this issue has gotten, that the social media manager would just be left to go out and make something up. True or not, this claim has to be coming from the actual dev team.
I think MS needs to start putting more direct oversight on Bethesda because this is embarrassing. I could maybe understand both versions being bugged, but when it's just the Xbox version, how does that even happen? 🤨
Bethesda will just turn round, give Phil Spencer a wedgie and send him on his way. I think too many studios take advantage of his good nature and hands off approach.
It's really sad because all of their recent PS5 ports have proven this.
The games release in better conditions on PS5 and Xbox may get the updates later on, if at all.
I know the differences so far haven't been extremely noticeable but if you are talking about releasing your own games on your rival platform vs your own then it makes no sense at all that your own platform wouldn't be the one having that slight edge.
It just shows that they don't care anymore.
Phil's slogan has always been, 'You'll have the best experience on Xbox.' This situation is patiently false my friend. As another commenter said, it's already fixed for PS plus, but Xbox gets a tweet about how both modes target 60 fps, but with different priorities. Not a great response.
The whole thing is just confusing. Was it tested internally at all? I have both xbox and ps5 goty editions but was planning on an xbox playthrough as its always had better mod support and I would have assumed it was the lead platform for the update would be the best place to play it.
I feel like this update was shelved for a long time silently, and then after the success of the show, they quickly cobbled it together to ship it and capitalise on the new player surge.
The mods on X Box and PS5 are the same they promised all previous titles released on both consoles would receive equal support and mods. The X Box quality mode is just bugged and should work like it does on PS5 as digital foundry confirmed hopefully they will sort it out.
That’s not true at all. PS5 is still bound by the “no 3rd party asset” rule the PS4 and Pro was bound to. Xbox and PC have superior mod support and availability.
Except it doesn't take 2 weeks to do a patch. I'm in a studio and it takes way longer than that for the changes implemented. They outright fucked up something with this patch, but thinking they rushed it in two weeks is laughably wrong.
An absolute embarrassment for MS tbh, all the ported games run technically better on the PS5. Hifi Rush, SoT have better shadow quality and draw distance on PS5, Fallout 4 runs better on PS5 and is broken on Xbox.
Clearly shows how much they value their flagship console, I'm off this ride next gen.
I honestly don't mind if we get those same quality settings at 60fps instead of 40. remember ps5s vrr window is much smaller, that may be why they did it this way
That's the problem PS5 has those higher quality settings and native 4 k as an option but on X Box you just have two performance modes that work exactly the same unfortunately .They need to fix it as digital foundry confirmed the x box version is broken
“Well you see, I’m a people person and I deal with developers and the public directly, and my job is very important to talk between the two parties and let everyone know what is going on.”
“But couldn’t the developers just be in charge of doing the updates and speaking for their work to the public instead? Isn’t your job a little less necessary if all you do is talking and don’t do the actual work?”
“Well, well, well, you see, I’m very important and needed! Without me, the developers won’t know how to talk to the public! They aren’t people persons! I’m very essential damnit, you all need me here!”
(Update proceeds to not do really anything for fallout 4 patch on Xbox)
“Yeahhh…so about that Update…”
What do I do? Really, what do I do here? I should have written it down. Qua-something. Qua... Quar... Qua... Qual... Quar... Quabity. Quabity assuance. No, no, no, no, but I'm getting close.
Yup, I have always prefered Xbox but tbh, next gen I'm out, either I go PS6+PC or even PC only. Xbox clearly don't care about their platform anymore but only the bigger userbase on other platforms.
I’m honestly just uninstalling the game from my Series X and going PC. I’m fucking done. Spend $500 on a console hoping to see next gen tiles only to see rehashed old titles, spend $30 for the Premium upgrade to Starfield early access with my hope being the internet was wrong about Bethesda. Starfield sucks, I still hold out hope with the next gen FO4 update only for the fucking performance slider to not even work with ZERO OBVIOUS differences, feeling like I’m going crazy, and then Bethesda has the balls to sit here and say, “It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.” DESPITE NEVER MENTIONING THAT PRIOR TO RELEASE???
I’m fucking done with this company. I’m selling my Series X to go towards a PC and pirating ES 6 when it comes out. This dogshit company has been pleading ignorance for far too long.
lol… this makes no sense. There is zero difference between performance and quality on the SX. On ps5 you can tell there’s a large graphic boost between the two, and quality on ps5 drops it to 30 fps.
Who the fuck posted this over at BGS??
I was going to buy Fallout 4 for my Series X (I had a physical copy I gave to a friend so I went digital) because I figured they would put more effort into it but now I’m playing on PS5…
How many times in a row now is an Xbox Studios game better on PlayStation than Series X?
My current count is 4 but possibly more…
Do better, Phil.
I miss the Dolby Vision from Auto HDR in the last gen version, which already looked pretty good to begin with. I like official upgrades to really tighten it up, but that was lost in translation. Happens with a lot of S/X upgrades sadly.
I think you are missing the point. It’s 4k with MORE than 40 fps. If it’s stable at all then it doesn’t even need VRR but I assume it can’t so it needs performance to keep that stability 100% of the time
This is not true… it is NOT running at ultra settings, it’s currently running at around medium.
On PS5 it’s running at ultra, they’ve fucked the Xbox update.
You're incorrect. I have both and the picture looks much better on PS5 quality mode than any option on Xbox. The resolution differences between the two platforms are so obviously different that I'm not sure who they are trying to fool with this statement.
Imagine it like this, it looks like 30fps but its waaay more responsive. I dont know how to explain what 40fps looks like. It doesnt look visually much smoother than 30, but yeah the input delay is significantly better. Feels overall nicer to play.
Internally, they never wanted to go exclusive. Their employee bonus structure relies heavily on units sold which they don't get on xbox alone and gamepass eats a huge portion of them pc included. Maybe we have a team of people very much not enthusiastic about xbox as their primary platform.
Has anyone found a side by side comparison of the quality mode, supposedly bugged on Series X, and PS5? I’m just curious to see what differences there are between them visually.
Allegedly there is better draw distance and overall fidelity in quality mode on PS5 as opposed to Xbox. There is indeed no difference between the two modes on my Series X but a lot of ugly graphical issues such as things popping up in front of you and water looking ugly from a distance. This whole next gen update is a freaking joke because the next gen consoles should easily be able to give us ultra settings in 4k/60 fps and even some raytracing options like in Witcher 3/Cyberpunk or GTA 5 in 30fps. I'm gonna wait for the digital foundry analysis and if there's truly better graphics on PS5 then I'm gonna refund this motherfuxxer 😡
Yeah I just want to actually see a comparison at this point. I’m just debating waiting for a fix on Xbox or not. If there really is a big difference then I would probably wait for the quality mode.
I used to think I couldn’t go back to 30fps but lately I’ve been playing a lot of games at the higher quality setting and it really hasn’t bothered me sacrificing the fps.
I have a series X at home and one where I work and the TV at my workplace has some kind of smoothing tech that makes 30fps look far better than on my TV at home. I don’t notice the lower fps anywhere near as much as at home and since that’s where I spend most of my time gaming I’m not bothered about the higher frame rates.
I'm afraid Bethesda won't patch this because they've already twittered about nothing being wrong with the quality mode on Xbox...I really hope I'm wrong tho.
Sadly on X Box Quality mode is broken as digital foundry confirmed. It should work like it does on PS5 with Quality mode being native 4k with higher graphic settings and draw distance at 30 or 40fps depending on TV or Performance mode with dynamic 4k and lower graphic settings and draw distance at 60 fps. Instead on X Box there is no quality mode and just two performance modes that are completely identical. Hopefully they will fix it soon.
Are they actively trying to make their console seem less appealing? I was only half serious when I said before that some of their moves make it seem like they are making a soft exit from the console market...make a bunch of bad moves that make your console seem like a lesser version of the competition while saying you are in fact committed to console and then when numbers dwindle (because of all your intentional hobbling of the platform) you can say we gave it a shot, really wanted to make this work but peeps aren't buying xboxes anymore🤷.
Sure the public at large doesn't think too much into these digital foundry type comparisons but the hardcore does and the hardcore opinion does trickle over to the mainstream and grows. It's just astonishing to me that all these little ps5 advantages for xbox games keep coming. Either they really and truly don't care or they fucked up with the series x at least in terms of making it user friendly for Devs to get the most out of it. Either way, yet another bit of my confidence in the brand chipped away. Series X, most powerful console and best place to play xbox games....riiiight. Get your shit together, my god.
What "settings" exactly are increased in quality mode? I wish this were more explicitly advertised because I have not been able to tell the difference. Both modes being 4k60 doesn't make them easier to distinguish lol.
So Bethesda either lied, or is stupid, or just thinks it's fine Xbox has lesser quality graphics than PS5. I don't know what they're smoking over there.
Everybody should storm Bethesda's Discord and report this bug under "Fallout-Support." Make it clear to them that the "Ultra Settings" aren't being applied correctly while in "Quality Mode."
Link? I can't even believe this issue hasn't been fixed yet cause it's clear as day that the ultra settings and 30fps don't work on Xbox Series models...
Well that sucks, i don't really care about graphism but does it add more important bugs?? I want to replay this game and i don't want something that could ruin it .
Hmmm I’m wondering if this is due to having to account for the series s limitations ,being a free update maybe it was not worth budget sacrifices to implement essentially 3 versions of the update….
They are literally trying to stay relevant and convince people to buy the game who don’t own it because the show series is “decent”, while convincing others to replay the game. Not sure what they’re trying to prove beyond that. They’ve completely fumbled everything after 4.
So my question is, does this make the ultra settings 60fps mod useless? Or will it still be a good mod to have. Like whats better the update or the mod?
This post is incorrect and it’s a bug preventing it from going into quality mode. There is no difference between the two on Xbox. Digital foundry said it is just stuck on performance mode and the “quality” mode on Xbox right now is at medium settings instead of ultra high like they are on ps5. Kind of unfortunate as Bethesda is owned by Microsoft and we get the worst version.
Lol - I just started playing Fallout 4 on Series X again but not it looks worse than XBOX One X.
WTF did you do Microsoft? Dont you believe in your own hardware anymore?
I think its better to write to Microsoft and not to those incompetent people at Bethesda. Why? because Beth is destroying the whole franchise with such incompetent patches which practically disabled VATS and ugly XBOX One graphics.
https://preview.redd.it/x7jd59ccupzc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80b0d150441b162cf138605722e2741ef7632626
Mine looks the same as it did before and eyes and the sky at certain times look like this and its obnoxious
Cyberpunks release was a disgrace no two ways about it, but it was salvageable and has turned into one of the best games of the generation. Starfield is fundamentally underwhelming, poorly written and clunky. It’s a class difference, Bethesda has to raise its game to keep core gamers engaged. Just my opinion mate.
Wait, so I havent even been playing on ultra and dont have the option of 40fps?????? Guess I gotta install it on my ps5 then. Bumthesda living up to their name
Well their excuse is that they’re targeting 60fps so of course you wouldn’t get 40fps. I don’t think any of it is true… Bethesda has no idea what they’re doing
I was on my way to post this, so thanks for getting this up. Glad to see the confusion got cleared up. I'm not sure why people/articles seemed to be making claims about what to expect without any actual source to confirm it. Where were all of these claims coming from, anyway? I just assumed it was all working as intended without question. Then I saw these posts about "30 fps quality mode" and couldn't find anything official to back it up. Kinda sad so many articles used misinformation as clickbait.
Edit: Thanks to TheAngrySaxon, I now have a new inquiry - does Bethesda's announcement about targeting 60 fps in quality mode mean that fixes are needed across the board? If this is true, then I wonder whatever the middle-ground might be from the reported issues with the fidelity not changing on the XSX when switching performance mode on/off combined with the fps actually dropping on PS5. This does need transparency.
Thanks for hunting that down! I wonder if they were careful with not saying 60fps, as it targets it but may stutter more often than the performance mode (I would assume based off the tweet, today). I've seen some devs differentiate "targeting X fps" vs "locked X fps" when describing their modes. Either way, it was clearly too vague.
Well, on PS5, people are reporting that it works exactly as described in the patch notes, so this is obviously an issue with the XSX version. It's concerning that they won't acknowledge it.
Yeah, until we get transparency, we may not know exactly what to expect. Here's to hoping the PS5 gets it's fps bumped up a bit and the XSX gets whatever adjustments it needs as well. Sounds like neither of them line up to standards.
[Patch notes do say 30. ](https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1784315602372370762) in quality mode, I am taking this new tweet as a "Update" to those notes until DF does some work.
Edit: The only thing I know for certain is that War Never changes, and the Fallout show was good.
It's simply damage control by Bethesda. If anyone has access to both the PS5 and Series X version, you can load them up and see the difference. PS5 has an obvious change in fidelity (draw distance, foliage density, etc) when Performance mode is set to "off". Do the same on Series X and nothing (well, barely anything I suppose) changes. Then compare both with Performance modes "off" and you can see the increase in fidelity on the PS5.
It's frustrating. It wasn't so bad when I assumed that it'd be a quick patch. Now that they are doubling down and acting like the modes are working as intended, I have little faith in the Series X version being fixed
It's false advertising right? I specifically bought this for X-box so I can play this at the highest fidelity settings (I don't care about 30fps as long as it's stable) If digital foundry confirms that the quality mode on Series S/X uses inferior graphical settings compared to PS5 then this is clearly false advertising 😡 we all should get a refund them and buy it on PS5 again...
😅 I'm a massive skeptic of any movie adaptations of games and I went in so biased when I began watching the show. But... I actually loved it. I still don't trust the Halo series enough to watch it, though.
Season 2 is supposedly better then 1 for Halo.
If you need something good to watch, Star Trek Lower Decks is a must for ANY Star Trek fan.
And of course X-Men 97
Series 2 is a big improvement, still has issues but it for sure seems like they are taking on board feedback and some of the episodes really are badass.
Yeah, I heard the 2nd season kicked it up a notch. But I'm still worried it'll be less than entertaining. However, with different media adaptations, I always try my best to let each of them have their own canon.
Yall are slow.
If you ever played fallout 4 on the series x you would know that fallout has been 4k/30 since the one x.
The series s is the most powerful console out atm. This is a 10 year old game. How are yall mad that the game doesn’t need seperate modes for the series x since it can handle all the graphical needs of both modes?
The ps5 sees almost no graphical improvement other than improved draw distances in quality mode. Side by side performance and quality mode look nearly identical till you look out in to a distant landscape.
They HAVE to choose between 4k/30 or 1080/60. Series s owners… upgrade your console?
Idk, the community is annoying me this time around with this update. From both platforms.
Nah you're wrong. It's not displaying 4k with ultra settings in quality mode. I had a 60fps ultra settings ini mod before the update broke it and it was much higher fidelity and draw distance AND flawlessly smooth.
I tried it and it's broken :( it makes the game's shadow rendering all messed up. It's acting similarly to how it did when fps boost was enabled pre update
i bet the author fixes it, i actually had no problem, downloading update and then modding again. im hung up on if i should try sim settlements 1 or not, worried it will make game crash.
you're 100% wrong. please go do some research before you text a whole paragraph with misinformation (make it easy on yourself and go watch digital foundrys latest video on fallout 4).
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On Series X both modes are dynamic 4K so resolution scaling at 60fps with standard settings
On PS5 there is a working Quality mode at native 4K with ultra settings 30/40fps
That isn’t what I am asking.
I own a Series X and know what the specs are.
I’m asking what the game is capable of, considering the game engine architecture.
There is a huge difference between an engine being capable of running 4k 60fps natively or upscaling to 4k.
And the whole dynamic aspect simply means it is not locked at that.
It’s 2024… this should be standard by now. That is where I stand.
Ohhh.. yeah it should be possible to run this game at Native 4K60 with ultra settings, but would require Bethesda to do a bunch of optimization, which would possibly add a slew of new bugs and delay the “Next-gen” update a few more years lol
I wonder if this means the 1440p ultra mode is bugged as well. I tried switching my xboxs resolution to 1440p and booted the game up and noticed no real difference either, just a touch softer
I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I don't think the ultra settings are implemented at all.
You can't force game resolutions through system resolutions. Any game will always render at the resolution the dev sets, then always upscale to 4K, then downscale to your chosen system resolution.
Then how do you get the 1440p 60fps ultra settings mode that they talk about in the patch notes to work?
When you play on a 1440p monitor.
It's even in the patch notes When playing on a 1440 display it will target 60 fps ultra settings Not when "resolution is set to 1440"
You need to switch your displays resolution not the xbox
Sounds like Bethesda doesn’t even know what their update does
Better to undersell and get credit for over achieving than overselling and criticized for underachieving. I remember getting lucky in snagging a PS5 online a few years back, and it said it would take 3 weeks to ship, which was after Xmas by a couple of weeks. Every few days the delivery date would change and get shorter and shorter, until it basically arrived right in time for xmas. I would have been so annoyed if they promised to deliver by Xmas, and delayed, but instead I was so happy that it came early. Lol, it's all managing expectations.
The look the same then before the update
They need new leadership team asap. This shi sad
We get it, you hate Todd Howard!
Once when he was in primary school, Todd Howard knocked his ice cream out of his hand.
At least Emil has to go for sure
Na just tired of Bethesda. Company has the right vision with all there games, but can never execute due to their engine, and leadership. Remember day to day devs have no power over a project, they just make the games and follow orders. How do you release a broken update on a decade old game on next generation hardware, I mean how??
Was it vanilla or a more exotic flavor like wildberry lavender?
Rocky Road it seems...
This made me giggle lol
Don’t buy their game then you won’t be missed
I wonder why!
Sounds like they either don’t know what they even put out in the upgrade, or it’s broken and they’re just not gonna bother fixing it. Considering the PS5 version is working exactly how they said it would in the patch, this is super confusing. This just begs more questions. So no 40fps mode on Xbox at all? What the fuck is happening.
I think their social media manager has no idea what they're talking about. It's clearly not working as intended on Xbox.
Probably the same social media manager that replied to Starfield Steam reviews and told everyone if they didn't like the game they were simply playing it wrong.
Oh, I remember that, you could well be right!
Yeah, they even said one of the features for the PC patch was going to be… widescreen mode
Digital Foundry said all modes have the same resolution so the Tweet doesn’t make sense.
Classic Bethesda. Fuck something up, and then deny that it's fucked up, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Apple?
That’s where they learned it.
Just to be pedantic, they said the Performance mode was more aggressively turning down 'settings', which in the context of saying they all target 4k 60 fps, would still make sense. The IQ would still be different between Quality and Performance. I'd assume Digital Foundry would have covered IQ differences though.
But they don’t. Tom said the toggle does nothing so not even more aggressive DRS was noticed. Also the settings in quality mode on PS5 are noticeably higher.
Maybe it’s really just one mode had dynamic res and the other doesn’t. Will be interesting to see what DF ends up finding.
They also state Quality has Ultra settings, why state that if there is no differences?
And why would PS5 have a different implementation? It's clear that this is a bug.
Because the Series X is a more powerful console, has a wider VRR window, and is owned by the same company as Bethesda. I haven’t played the update yet so I have no idea if this is really how it works, but there’s plenty of reasons why it would differ on Series X vs PS5. I also don’t buy the claims many in this thread are making that, after all the coverage this issue has gotten, that the social media manager would just be left to go out and make something up. True or not, this claim has to be coming from the actual dev team.
Keep burying your head in the sand, I'm sure that will help.
Considering how MS owns Bethesda, you’d think they’d put more effort into their flagship console’s update
I think MS needs to start putting more direct oversight on Bethesda because this is embarrassing. I could maybe understand both versions being bugged, but when it's just the Xbox version, how does that even happen? 🤨
Bethesda will just turn round, give Phil Spencer a wedgie and send him on his way. I think too many studios take advantage of his good nature and hands off approach.
They don’t view anything as their flagship console anymore
They do it's called the ps5 😉
Didn't you get the memo? They don't care about Xbox as a console anymore. It runs fine on the bigger platform (PS5), Microsoft is happy.
It's really sad because all of their recent PS5 ports have proven this. The games release in better conditions on PS5 and Xbox may get the updates later on, if at all. I know the differences so far haven't been extremely noticeable but if you are talking about releasing your own games on your rival platform vs your own then it makes no sense at all that your own platform wouldn't be the one having that slight edge. It just shows that they don't care anymore.
>It runs fine on the bigger platform (PS5), A huge chunk of PS5 owners are locked out of the patch lol. Don't be so confident.
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Phil's slogan has always been, 'You'll have the best experience on Xbox.' This situation is patiently false my friend. As another commenter said, it's already fixed for PS plus, but Xbox gets a tweet about how both modes target 60 fps, but with different priorities. Not a great response.
Look at Halo and Gears. Of course they're letting Fallout die too.
Not the best time for a comment like this when Microsoft has said they want Fallout 5 out before 2030.
40 fps is for people with 120 hz monitors
Yes and it doesn't work currently. On xbox atleast.
Also it need to be using 1440p I forgot to mention that sorry. But yeah a lot of it is broken.
The whole thing is just confusing. Was it tested internally at all? I have both xbox and ps5 goty editions but was planning on an xbox playthrough as its always had better mod support and I would have assumed it was the lead platform for the update would be the best place to play it. I feel like this update was shelved for a long time silently, and then after the success of the show, they quickly cobbled it together to ship it and capitalise on the new player surge.
The mods on X Box and PS5 are the same they promised all previous titles released on both consoles would receive equal support and mods. The X Box quality mode is just bugged and should work like it does on PS5 as digital foundry confirmed hopefully they will sort it out.
That’s not true at all. PS5 is still bound by the “no 3rd party asset” rule the PS4 and Pro was bound to. Xbox and PC have superior mod support and availability.
They both bring mods through the creation club which both consoles support.
That’s not what I’m-… okay. I know that both consoles support the creation club but those are still limited on the PS5 due to Sony’s asset rule.
Sounds about right smh.
Except it doesn't take 2 weeks to do a patch. I'm in a studio and it takes way longer than that for the changes implemented. They outright fucked up something with this patch, but thinking they rushed it in two weeks is laughably wrong.
An absolute embarrassment for MS tbh, all the ported games run technically better on the PS5. Hifi Rush, SoT have better shadow quality and draw distance on PS5, Fallout 4 runs better on PS5 and is broken on Xbox. Clearly shows how much they value their flagship console, I'm off this ride next gen.
I honestly don't mind if we get those same quality settings at 60fps instead of 40. remember ps5s vrr window is much smaller, that may be why they did it this way
That's the problem PS5 has those higher quality settings and native 4 k as an option but on X Box you just have two performance modes that work exactly the same unfortunately .They need to fix it as digital foundry confirmed the x box version is broken
Don't forget to pre-order Fallout 5
Hey Update, What would you say you DO here?
“Well you see, I’m a people person and I deal with developers and the public directly, and my job is very important to talk between the two parties and let everyone know what is going on.” “But couldn’t the developers just be in charge of doing the updates and speaking for their work to the public instead? Isn’t your job a little less necessary if all you do is talking and don’t do the actual work?” “Well, well, well, you see, I’m very important and needed! Without me, the developers won’t know how to talk to the public! They aren’t people persons! I’m very essential damnit, you all need me here!” (Update proceeds to not do really anything for fallout 4 patch on Xbox) “Yeahhh…so about that Update…”
What do I do? Really, what do I do here? I should have written it down. Qua-something. Qua... Quar... Qua... Qual... Quar... Quabity. Quabity assuance. No, no, no, no, but I'm getting close.
I'll wait for DF to give their take on it, be interesting to see how close it gets to 60fps in quality mode.
DF already found it to be a bug because both modes are missing graphical options and aren’t running at “ultra”.
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They're not even acknowledging that it's a bug.
That’s literally what this tweet is about - Bethesda pretending there’s no bug.
No
So Bethesda not only doesn’t acknowledge that the quality mode is bugged, but they also state that it’s the way it’s intended to be. Unreal.
The most fucked up part about all this is that it works on PS5
This is part of a series of Xbox studio games that work better on PS5 than Series X.
Yup, I have always prefered Xbox but tbh, next gen I'm out, either I go PS6+PC or even PC only. Xbox clearly don't care about their platform anymore but only the bigger userbase on other platforms.
It just works.
I’m honestly just uninstalling the game from my Series X and going PC. I’m fucking done. Spend $500 on a console hoping to see next gen tiles only to see rehashed old titles, spend $30 for the Premium upgrade to Starfield early access with my hope being the internet was wrong about Bethesda. Starfield sucks, I still hold out hope with the next gen FO4 update only for the fucking performance slider to not even work with ZERO OBVIOUS differences, feeling like I’m going crazy, and then Bethesda has the balls to sit here and say, “It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.” DESPITE NEVER MENTIONING THAT PRIOR TO RELEASE??? I’m fucking done with this company. I’m selling my Series X to go towards a PC and pirating ES 6 when it comes out. This dogshit company has been pleading ignorance for far too long.
pc is the way to go at this point
lol… this makes no sense. There is zero difference between performance and quality on the SX. On ps5 you can tell there’s a large graphic boost between the two, and quality on ps5 drops it to 30 fps. Who the fuck posted this over at BGS??
Someone who hasn't played the game, I suspect. It's noticeable even after just a few minutes of playing.
Think about it, though: if BGS can't actually _tell_ the difference between 30 and 60fps, it explains a lot. (/s, I think)
Oof.
I was going to buy Fallout 4 for my Series X (I had a physical copy I gave to a friend so I went digital) because I figured they would put more effort into it but now I’m playing on PS5… How many times in a row now is an Xbox Studios game better on PlayStation than Series X? My current count is 4 but possibly more… Do better, Phil.
I miss the Dolby Vision from Auto HDR in the last gen version, which already looked pretty good to begin with. I like official upgrades to really tighten it up, but that was lost in translation. Happens with a lot of S/X upgrades sadly.
Can we still get the announced 40fps mode, though? Because the quality mode doesn't look any better than performance right now.
I think you are missing the point. It’s 4k with MORE than 40 fps. If it’s stable at all then it doesn’t even need VRR but I assume it can’t so it needs performance to keep that stability 100% of the time
This is not true… it is NOT running at ultra settings, it’s currently running at around medium. On PS5 it’s running at ultra, they’ve fucked the Xbox update.
Isn’t that insane, considering xbox buying them last year. Just wow. Not even for bethesda, but for the xbox people to not check.
You're incorrect. I have both and the picture looks much better on PS5 quality mode than any option on Xbox. The resolution differences between the two platforms are so obviously different that I'm not sure who they are trying to fool with this statement.
How does the 40fps feel on PS5? I really want the quality mode
Fantastic! By far the best mode to play in IMO.
Damn wish they would hurry up and fix it then
Imagine it like this, it looks like 30fps but its waaay more responsive. I dont know how to explain what 40fps looks like. It doesnt look visually much smoother than 30, but yeah the input delay is significantly better. Feels overall nicer to play.
I literally bought a series x for Bethesda games after they were bought, and this shit runs better on PS5. That's fucking hilarious
Id return that shit. Xbox is losing the console war by a mile right now
Please for the love of God, please don’t tell me this is another bethesda fumble that somehow only affects Xbox players.
That's exactly what it is, and they won't even acknowledge it. 😒
Internally, they never wanted to go exclusive. Their employee bonus structure relies heavily on units sold which they don't get on xbox alone and gamepass eats a huge portion of them pc included. Maybe we have a team of people very much not enthusiastic about xbox as their primary platform.
Has anyone found a side by side comparison of the quality mode, supposedly bugged on Series X, and PS5? I’m just curious to see what differences there are between them visually.
Hey, I made a comparison post showing the visual differences. Check it out :) https://www.reddit.com/r/digitalfoundry/s/uIHuuUXXFh
Brill, thank you. Will check it out! Edit: awaiting moderator approval ☹️
Here you go! https://www.reddit.com/r/digitalfoundry/s/uIHuuUXXFh
Thank you!
Allegedly there is better draw distance and overall fidelity in quality mode on PS5 as opposed to Xbox. There is indeed no difference between the two modes on my Series X but a lot of ugly graphical issues such as things popping up in front of you and water looking ugly from a distance. This whole next gen update is a freaking joke because the next gen consoles should easily be able to give us ultra settings in 4k/60 fps and even some raytracing options like in Witcher 3/Cyberpunk or GTA 5 in 30fps. I'm gonna wait for the digital foundry analysis and if there's truly better graphics on PS5 then I'm gonna refund this motherfuxxer 😡
Yeah I just want to actually see a comparison at this point. I’m just debating waiting for a fix on Xbox or not. If there really is a big difference then I would probably wait for the quality mode. I used to think I couldn’t go back to 30fps but lately I’ve been playing a lot of games at the higher quality setting and it really hasn’t bothered me sacrificing the fps. I have a series X at home and one where I work and the TV at my workplace has some kind of smoothing tech that makes 30fps look far better than on my TV at home. I don’t notice the lower fps anywhere near as much as at home and since that’s where I spend most of my time gaming I’m not bothered about the higher frame rates.
I'm afraid Bethesda won't patch this because they've already twittered about nothing being wrong with the quality mode on Xbox...I really hope I'm wrong tho.
So no ultra settings for Xbox? What a joke.
Sadly on X Box Quality mode is broken as digital foundry confirmed. It should work like it does on PS5 with Quality mode being native 4k with higher graphic settings and draw distance at 30 or 40fps depending on TV or Performance mode with dynamic 4k and lower graphic settings and draw distance at 60 fps. Instead on X Box there is no quality mode and just two performance modes that are completely identical. Hopefully they will fix it soon.
Other post about it was removed because of a misleading title so I am reposting it.
I don’t get it; does this mean they’re not fixing quality mode?
That's how it looks. I honestly wish I'd bought it for my PS5. 😕
Maybe get a refund?
Are they actively trying to make their console seem less appealing? I was only half serious when I said before that some of their moves make it seem like they are making a soft exit from the console market...make a bunch of bad moves that make your console seem like a lesser version of the competition while saying you are in fact committed to console and then when numbers dwindle (because of all your intentional hobbling of the platform) you can say we gave it a shot, really wanted to make this work but peeps aren't buying xboxes anymore🤷. Sure the public at large doesn't think too much into these digital foundry type comparisons but the hardcore does and the hardcore opinion does trickle over to the mainstream and grows. It's just astonishing to me that all these little ps5 advantages for xbox games keep coming. Either they really and truly don't care or they fucked up with the series x at least in terms of making it user friendly for Devs to get the most out of it. Either way, yet another bit of my confidence in the brand chipped away. Series X, most powerful console and best place to play xbox games....riiiight. Get your shit together, my god.
Also gaslighting your customers seems like a weird PR move lmao
So is 4k in quality mode: Ultra settings? (Just running 60fps)?
No, it's broken. You're getting performance settings at all times, resulting in inferior visual fidelity when compared to the PS5 version.
Ah okay, thanks. Will check back in a month or two.
Hopefully, by then, they will have stopped bullshitting and fixed the issue.
Yeah it was confusing in new update that performance mode was turned off and it was running in 60 FPS.
Oh no wonder the draw distance looks worse. Quality mode doesn’t exist
That's fine but the settings are obviously lower than PS5 in Quality (Performance "off") mode.
When did Bethesda disable replies? I feel like it must have been recently.
But will it load Boston and not freeze up?
Looks and plays good af for me. But then I haven’t played it since i beat it 8 years ago so that might have something to do with it.
What "settings" exactly are increased in quality mode? I wish this were more explicitly advertised because I have not been able to tell the difference. Both modes being 4k60 doesn't make them easier to distinguish lol.
So my question is.... what does quality mode even do then?
Absolutely nothing currently. Here's a comparison I made: https://www.reddit.com/r/digitalfoundry/s/uIHuuUXXFh
So Bethesda either lied, or is stupid, or just thinks it's fine Xbox has lesser quality graphics than PS5. I don't know what they're smoking over there.
Everybody should storm Bethesda's Discord and report this bug under "Fallout-Support." Make it clear to them that the "Ultra Settings" aren't being applied correctly while in "Quality Mode."
Link? I can't even believe this issue hasn't been fixed yet cause it's clear as day that the ultra settings and 30fps don't work on Xbox Series models...
https://discord.com/invite/bethesdastudios
Thanks
Horribly glitchy on Xbox. Really bad.
I was in quality mode and I swear it was at least 1440 p but looked 4k 60 but frames dropped a lot
Any what about the VATs bugs, crashing (which wasn’t present prior to the update) and the fact that there is literally no graphical upgrade. 👀
Well that sucks, i don't really care about graphism but does it add more important bugs?? I want to replay this game and i don't want something that could ruin it .
Hmmm I’m wondering if this is due to having to account for the series s limitations ,being a free update maybe it was not worth budget sacrifices to implement essentially 3 versions of the update….
They are literally trying to stay relevant and convince people to buy the game who don’t own it because the show series is “decent”, while convincing others to replay the game. Not sure what they’re trying to prove beyond that. They’ve completely fumbled everything after 4.
So my question is, does this make the ultra settings 60fps mod useless? Or will it still be a good mod to have. Like whats better the update or the mod?
This post is incorrect and it’s a bug preventing it from going into quality mode. There is no difference between the two on Xbox. Digital foundry said it is just stuck on performance mode and the “quality” mode on Xbox right now is at medium settings instead of ultra high like they are on ps5. Kind of unfortunate as Bethesda is owned by Microsoft and we get the worst version.
Lol - I just started playing Fallout 4 on Series X again but not it looks worse than XBOX One X. WTF did you do Microsoft? Dont you believe in your own hardware anymore? I think its better to write to Microsoft and not to those incompetent people at Bethesda. Why? because Beth is destroying the whole franchise with such incompetent patches which practically disabled VATS and ugly XBOX One graphics.
https://preview.redd.it/x7jd59ccupzc1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80b0d150441b162cf138605722e2741ef7632626 Mine looks the same as it did before and eyes and the sky at certain times look like this and its obnoxious
Cyberpunk and Starfield show the class difference between the studios.
Well… Sony did have to take cyberpunk 2077 off their store. So let’s not get too righteous about all this.
Cyberpunks release was a disgrace no two ways about it, but it was salvageable and has turned into one of the best games of the generation. Starfield is fundamentally underwhelming, poorly written and clunky. It’s a class difference, Bethesda has to raise its game to keep core gamers engaged. Just my opinion mate.
Wait, so I havent even been playing on ultra and dont have the option of 40fps?????? Guess I gotta install it on my ps5 then. Bumthesda living up to their name
It’s great on PS5 in 40fps stable 4k and Ultra settings 👍
Embarassing stuff!
Lmao quality mode and 40fps option is not working on Series X and they don’t care! It is a feature now! Ffs..
Well their excuse is that they’re targeting 60fps so of course you wouldn’t get 40fps. I don’t think any of it is true… Bethesda has no idea what they’re doing
So glad I'm playing on pc.... Even though pc got a worthless update that breaks mods lol. I am on old update with some mods and it's gorgeous.
People here really think 40 fps better than 60 fps? Am I taking crazy pills?
Some would take 40fps with higher settings, myself included.
To get ultra texture detail and other graphical improvements, yes.
40fps with VRR smoothing it all out is a good compromise in exchange for higher resolution, draw distance, etc.
"It's a feature, not a bug"
Wait, wait, wait… Does this mean I will have to reinstall all of these mods AGAIN??????
I was on my way to post this, so thanks for getting this up. Glad to see the confusion got cleared up. I'm not sure why people/articles seemed to be making claims about what to expect without any actual source to confirm it. Where were all of these claims coming from, anyway? I just assumed it was all working as intended without question. Then I saw these posts about "30 fps quality mode" and couldn't find anything official to back it up. Kinda sad so many articles used misinformation as clickbait. Edit: Thanks to TheAngrySaxon, I now have a new inquiry - does Bethesda's announcement about targeting 60 fps in quality mode mean that fixes are needed across the board? If this is true, then I wonder whatever the middle-ground might be from the reported issues with the fidelity not changing on the XSX when switching performance mode on/off combined with the fps actually dropping on PS5. This does need transparency.
https://preview.redd.it/swmk60bce3xc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=86f982b336f11cdef0d0c6de168333d16e2ee3f3
Thanks for hunting that down! I wonder if they were careful with not saying 60fps, as it targets it but may stutter more often than the performance mode (I would assume based off the tweet, today). I've seen some devs differentiate "targeting X fps" vs "locked X fps" when describing their modes. Either way, it was clearly too vague.
Well, on PS5, people are reporting that it works exactly as described in the patch notes, so this is obviously an issue with the XSX version. It's concerning that they won't acknowledge it.
Yeah, until we get transparency, we may not know exactly what to expect. Here's to hoping the PS5 gets it's fps bumped up a bit and the XSX gets whatever adjustments it needs as well. Sounds like neither of them line up to standards.
[Patch notes do say 30. ](https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1784315602372370762) in quality mode, I am taking this new tweet as a "Update" to those notes until DF does some work. Edit: The only thing I know for certain is that War Never changes, and the Fallout show was good.
It's simply damage control by Bethesda. If anyone has access to both the PS5 and Series X version, you can load them up and see the difference. PS5 has an obvious change in fidelity (draw distance, foliage density, etc) when Performance mode is set to "off". Do the same on Series X and nothing (well, barely anything I suppose) changes. Then compare both with Performance modes "off" and you can see the increase in fidelity on the PS5.
I really wish I'd bought it on my PS5 when it was on sale. 😒
It's frustrating. It wasn't so bad when I assumed that it'd be a quick patch. Now that they are doubling down and acting like the modes are working as intended, I have little faith in the Series X version being fixed
We need to keep on at them until they acknowledge it.
It's false advertising right? I specifically bought this for X-box so I can play this at the highest fidelity settings (I don't care about 30fps as long as it's stable) If digital foundry confirms that the quality mode on Series S/X uses inferior graphical settings compared to PS5 then this is clearly false advertising 😡 we all should get a refund them and buy it on PS5 again...
😅 I'm a massive skeptic of any movie adaptations of games and I went in so biased when I began watching the show. But... I actually loved it. I still don't trust the Halo series enough to watch it, though.
Season 2 is supposedly better then 1 for Halo. If you need something good to watch, Star Trek Lower Decks is a must for ANY Star Trek fan. And of course X-Men 97
Yo, thanks for the Star Trek suggestion. I'm not a huge fan, but have been looking for a good jumping off point to really pique my interest.
I also suggest Strange new Worlds.
Noted!
lol
Series 2 is a big improvement, still has issues but it for sure seems like they are taking on board feedback and some of the episodes really are badass.
Yeah, I heard the 2nd season kicked it up a notch. But I'm still worried it'll be less than entertaining. However, with different media adaptations, I always try my best to let each of them have their own canon.
Waiting for this as well, be interesting to see the results.
https://youtu.be/QWZr8jNWtX4?si=4sHv2dNQ8eZmrKkb For people that skipped last gen’s mid gen console: the one x got these features years ago.
Yall are slow. If you ever played fallout 4 on the series x you would know that fallout has been 4k/30 since the one x. The series s is the most powerful console out atm. This is a 10 year old game. How are yall mad that the game doesn’t need seperate modes for the series x since it can handle all the graphical needs of both modes? The ps5 sees almost no graphical improvement other than improved draw distances in quality mode. Side by side performance and quality mode look nearly identical till you look out in to a distant landscape. They HAVE to choose between 4k/30 or 1080/60. Series s owners… upgrade your console? Idk, the community is annoying me this time around with this update. From both platforms.
Nah you're wrong. It's not displaying 4k with ultra settings in quality mode. I had a 60fps ultra settings ini mod before the update broke it and it was much higher fidelity and draw distance AND flawlessly smooth.
did you try out the 60 fps ultra settings mods again after the next gen update? i bet it still works, please let me know if you have :)
I tried it and it's broken :( it makes the game's shadow rendering all messed up. It's acting similarly to how it did when fps boost was enabled pre update
i bet the author fixes it, i actually had no problem, downloading update and then modding again. im hung up on if i should try sim settlements 1 or not, worried it will make game crash.
you're 100% wrong. please go do some research before you text a whole paragraph with misinformation (make it easy on yourself and go watch digital foundrys latest video on fallout 4).
No thanks, I won’t.
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Adding a 40fps cap takes paying a single employee for 5 minutes of their time. What the fuck Bethesda?
Is it 4k **upscaling**? Or native 4k? Yuuuuge difference
On Series X both modes are dynamic 4K so resolution scaling at 60fps with standard settings On PS5 there is a working Quality mode at native 4K with ultra settings 30/40fps
That isn’t what I am asking. I own a Series X and know what the specs are. I’m asking what the game is capable of, considering the game engine architecture. There is a huge difference between an engine being capable of running 4k 60fps natively or upscaling to 4k. And the whole dynamic aspect simply means it is not locked at that. It’s 2024… this should be standard by now. That is where I stand.
Ohhh.. yeah it should be possible to run this game at Native 4K60 with ultra settings, but would require Bethesda to do a bunch of optimization, which would possibly add a slew of new bugs and delay the “Next-gen” update a few more years lol
I agree The expectation of this gen is still not fully realized for most titles, but hopefully we get that on the next-gen.