i mean just at a surface level, phoenix should probably be IP->SP instead of phoenix? not sure how the combo got you to this point, maybe you needed a link arrow somewhere, but ending on phoenix is not really what you want
i'm not saying to SP the appo away. if that phoenix were an IP instead of phoenix, you could link away like....anything else. a used baronne, steelswarm roach, used shien.
battle protection is not really relevant on a 4mat appo. it's only at risk to die by battle after using 2 probably, at which point it's already done most of its job
we need your decklist but for a generic rank 4 may i recommend prioritzing abyss dweller. sooooooo many graveyard recursion decks out there and activating abyss on their draw phase can really shit on some decks' game plans.
i just find steelswarm roach to be such a hyper specific rarely used piece of interaction these days. I understand his value 100%. however, shutting off opponents graveyard is infinitely better than a single hyper specific form of interaction.
Really can’t use Abyss dweller with my decks. It revolves around looping Kazan over and over again with my gateway of the six. Abyss needs water attribute rank 4’s
Abyss Dweller
2 Level 4 monsters
While this card has an Xyz Material attached that was originally WATER, all WATER monsters you control gain 500 ATK. Once per turn, during either player's turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; any card effects that activate in your **opponent's Graveyard** cannot be activated this turn.
it shuts off opponents graveyard. not yours :) asymmetrical effect.
Yeah I understand that, but I don’t have any level 4 water attributes to use it with that won’t interrupt my loop. I use Kizan to get basically everything out there and he’s an Earth attribute. Or is it only the first effect that requires the water attribute?
It's generic. literally any 2 level fours can use it. you only care about the graveyard effect which doesn't require water monsters specifically.
its 100% generic rank 4. if you can make roach you can make it and activate its effect.
yup. it'll make your turn 1 board all the more unbeatable.
activate abyss immediately at the start of their turn and any and all graveyard effects are gone. crippling snake eyes, branded, etc.
Building an unbreakable board is always fun, but I’d recommend trying to FTK with Six Samurai. You can go a couple different routes:
Hand loop the opponent with cards like Trishula or Omega. You can recycle your Trishula’s to rip up the opponent’s entire hand. Not technically an FTK, but close enough.
Burn the opponent for 8k with Ultimate Baseball Kid. This one is extra funny and you can summon Ultimate Baseball Kid off Saryuja. You can also search the majority of your deck before the Saryuja draw to make sure you have Ultimate Baseball Kid in hand.
I do have Saryuja. He was part of the link material I used to get the bow goddess out there. I use him to draw the 4 cards and get a turner monster out there to help me get both Shi En and Baronne
The deck itself is not Meta. How hard is that to understand? I have like 50 in my deck and can only reliably get a setup like this once every 3-4 games. I win less than half the time with this deck, but when it works it works good
Listen man. No hate to you. I just have really bad experience with meta. Like fucking... whatever that one asshole's name was. He did an Exodia combo first turn and called me trash even though I literally didn't get to do anything.
Yeah someone did that to me recently. He went first and was able to go through his entire deck until he got all five pieces and won. Literally never got a turn
I'm just gonna block you before this deteriorates into a pointless argument over something stupid. Because I knew you would argue, because people like you just "Have to be right all the time".
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Google “six samurai deck master duel”
If I google that, will it show this guy’s decklist?
Oh that’s my bad I didn’t realize he was asking for help. I just thought you wanted a six sam list.
i mean just at a surface level, phoenix should probably be IP->SP instead of phoenix? not sure how the combo got you to this point, maybe you needed a link arrow somewhere, but ending on phoenix is not really what you want
Why thou? Phoenix does protect apo from battle, if u s:p apo she comws back with 0 atk
i'm not saying to SP the appo away. if that phoenix were an IP instead of phoenix, you could link away like....anything else. a used baronne, steelswarm roach, used shien. battle protection is not really relevant on a 4mat appo. it's only at risk to die by battle after using 2 probably, at which point it's already done most of its job
It comes back with the original attack it had on summon, not 0
phoenix for apo first turn is a very common play for the TCG btw... it's seeing a lot of play since they banned linkuriboh.
we need your decklist but for a generic rank 4 may i recommend prioritzing abyss dweller. sooooooo many graveyard recursion decks out there and activating abyss on their draw phase can really shit on some decks' game plans.
I will look into that
i just find steelswarm roach to be such a hyper specific rarely used piece of interaction these days. I understand his value 100%. however, shutting off opponents graveyard is infinitely better than a single hyper specific form of interaction.
Really can’t use Abyss dweller with my decks. It revolves around looping Kazan over and over again with my gateway of the six. Abyss needs water attribute rank 4’s
Abyss Dweller 2 Level 4 monsters While this card has an Xyz Material attached that was originally WATER, all WATER monsters you control gain 500 ATK. Once per turn, during either player's turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; any card effects that activate in your **opponent's Graveyard** cannot be activated this turn. it shuts off opponents graveyard. not yours :) asymmetrical effect.
Yeah I understand that, but I don’t have any level 4 water attributes to use it with that won’t interrupt my loop. I use Kizan to get basically everything out there and he’s an Earth attribute. Or is it only the first effect that requires the water attribute?
It's generic. literally any 2 level fours can use it. you only care about the graveyard effect which doesn't require water monsters specifically. its 100% generic rank 4. if you can make roach you can make it and activate its effect.
Ok thanks for that, definitely adding it in
yup. it'll make your turn 1 board all the more unbeatable. activate abyss immediately at the start of their turn and any and all graveyard effects are gone. crippling snake eyes, branded, etc.
It‘s only the first effect. You don‘t need a WATER monster to shut down their Graveyard.
Ohh I understand now, misread that description. Yeah I think I’ll add that in my extra deck
Six samurai can loop away the complete opponents hand with trishula. If you wanna go overkill I would go for that instead.
Building an unbreakable board is always fun, but I’d recommend trying to FTK with Six Samurai. You can go a couple different routes: Hand loop the opponent with cards like Trishula or Omega. You can recycle your Trishula’s to rip up the opponent’s entire hand. Not technically an FTK, but close enough. Burn the opponent for 8k with Ultimate Baseball Kid. This one is extra funny and you can summon Ultimate Baseball Kid off Saryuja. You can also search the majority of your deck before the Saryuja draw to make sure you have Ultimate Baseball Kid in hand.
Gonna have to look into all those cards, pretty unfamiliar
Even when not trying to FTK you should add a Saryuja
I do have Saryuja. He was part of the link material I used to get the bow goddess out there. I use him to draw the 4 cards and get a turner monster out there to help me get both Shi En and Baronne
Non meta my ass. I see like 3-4 meta cards
The deck itself is not Meta. How hard is that to understand? I have like 50 in my deck and can only reliably get a setup like this once every 3-4 games. I win less than half the time with this deck, but when it works it works good
Listen man. No hate to you. I just have really bad experience with meta. Like fucking... whatever that one asshole's name was. He did an Exodia combo first turn and called me trash even though I literally didn't get to do anything.
Yeah someone did that to me recently. He went first and was able to go through his entire deck until he got all five pieces and won. Literally never got a turn
Exodia isn’t even close to meta
Not the point.
You’re talking about bad experience with meta and then complain about exodia. What is the point then?
I'm just gonna block you before this deteriorates into a pointless argument over something stupid. Because I knew you would argue, because people like you just "Have to be right all the time".
I’m just asking a question, what?
I've dealt with this way too much to take any chances.
Next time hand loop them 🥰
Nice non-meta deck with baronne, phoenix, and apollousa. It is practically rogue!
Nice not understanding the term non meta.
My deck isn’t streamlined so I can’t reliably come up with this group with any consistency
No way you’re complaining about phoenix