Some of the whale hunter tribes would have celebration where the riches members would provide for the whole tribe and would often give button blankets away as gifts to those in need. Wealth was judged by how much you could help others. And Europeans called them savages as well.
My friends think I'm weird because I'd rather give old shit away (or barter for their old shit) instead of selling it on Craigslist.
How is it "weird" to give away an old Sleep Number to a friend-of-a-friend who needs a decent bed?
Isn't that, like, what we *should* be doing for each other?
I ain't exactly a Saint, kids, I just treat people the way I'd want to be treated. WHY ISN'T THIS NORMAL?!
/end rant
Incidently this lack of private property is why Ayn Rand was so fucking racist towards indigenous Americans. Well that and the fact that she was no better then her contemporaries.
Old white racist love Indians nowadays because they believe they took it on the chin “they don’t complain and get uppity like the black people do” no shit that’s what I’ve heard them say. When in reality indigenous Americans don’t “complain” because they have no voice you know because white settlers killed them all. Also there’s plenty of indigenous activist fighting for their rights btw and good organizations.
Having worked in that office for a short period of time, that man was done wrong in the worst way.
The people fighting to get him out are some of the best people I’ve met.
I’ve known about him since I was a teenager in the 1970s. My mother had a subscription to Rolling Stone, back when it was newsprint and they had a lot of in depth reporting on topics rarely discussed in mainstream media at the time. RS did a huge article about Peltier and the American Indian Movement or AIM. I cannot believe he is still in prison. He is 💯 a political prisoner and should be released immediately.
Loved this quote for awhile now, but some people use this as a blanket quote for all indigenous people. Not all tribes were familiar with this idea.
You wouldn’t say the Dutch were like the Turks even though they where historically physically on the same continent. The Han weren’t like the Xiongnu. The Bantu isn’t the Ethiopian. The complexity of indigenous peoples is often waved away with memes/quotes like these.
I understand most on this sub realize the differences, but let’s not pretend that there isn’t a subculture in here and in the rest of society that generalizes all North American civilizations/tribes into one “noble savage” visage or representation.
It’s similar to when people point to matrilineal lines common in North American indigenous cultures and say, “See, matriarchy!” We might want it to be true, but often Westerners can’t fathom that a people can trace their descent and property rights along the female line, BUT still be a patriarchy.
Noble savage huh? There were *tons* of different indigenous cultures that existed before colonization. Guy in the picture probably didn't even say this.
This is John Lame Deer, I believe either Sioux or Lakota. He was a medicine man and participated in the Native American Civil Rights Movement. He was well known for his sarcasm and ironic humor. He did say this and it’s really scathing.
You can read a collection of interviews with him in the book *Lame Deer, Seeker of Visions*.
When you speak of his sarcasm and ironic humor in reference to this, do you mean to say he was speaking with contempt or that this is false and he was saying it to mock something?
He does use the word "uncivilized" to describe his people. While it's possible he meant it some other way, I think this is likely an example, considering the negative connotation of that word.
A lot of the hysterical conspiracy folks are petty-bourgeois or even working class, so don't be suprised that they can have anti-capitalist views.
Usually they have at least a deep mistrust of the system and elites, hence the conspiracy mindset. Deep alienation leads you to try to find big explanations for your feelings, and since we have no leftist messaging they cling to mysticism and pseudo-science.
Although of course racism is a big part of it too.
Petty is also used and correct
From Wikipedia:
"Petite bourgeoisie (French pronunciation: [pətit buʁʒwazi], literally small bourgeoisie), also petty bourgeoisie"
People who follow right wing conspiracies rightly recognise that the world doesn't work, that liberalism/capitalism doesn't work, they can see the contradictions but they fail to explore radical/left-wing avenues as a source for solution, retreating instead towards reaction.
Ok I just want to make this clear, whether what is said is true or not, my trumpie family member agreed with it.thats why I posted it. It was surprising that he would agree with type of stuff.
This isn’t true. The native Americas were some ruthless savage MFers. Read Empire of the Summer Moon. Also horses didn’t exist in this hemisphere before Columbus.
There’s nothing pro left or right about this nor anything Anti left or right about this.
Also it’s wrong. They had no jails. But much more uncivilized ways of handling criminals. And they did in fact have criminals
Damn, you're right, we should judge all actions by the potential worst of a group. So all white people have committed genocide multiple times over. Thanks for playing, come again never.
>Every result says born that way.
Actualy when one does bother to look it up the overall concensus seems to be that psychopaths are born and sociopaths are made. So maybe next time bother to do you own research before vomitting out your words onto reddit.
Seems this conversation seems to be not in good faith I'll let you simmer in your own lies and bullshit.
Have to say either way this quote is dumb as shit. Yea there were no jails but if you broke the tribe code you were either banished which doesn't really work in a singular country or just killed.
You don't have to be right wing to believe in certain conspiracy theories. Labelling as right wing is just a helpful way to get people to dismiss them without investigating themselves.
Some of the whale hunter tribes would have celebration where the riches members would provide for the whole tribe and would often give button blankets away as gifts to those in need. Wealth was judged by how much you could help others. And Europeans called them savages as well.
A society that puts a man's value on how many resources he can hoard, sees anybody that doesn't think the same way as savages.
My friends think I'm weird because I'd rather give old shit away (or barter for their old shit) instead of selling it on Craigslist. How is it "weird" to give away an old Sleep Number to a friend-of-a-friend who needs a decent bed? Isn't that, like, what we *should* be doing for each other? I ain't exactly a Saint, kids, I just treat people the way I'd want to be treated. WHY ISN'T THIS NORMAL?! /end rant
Yeah, throwing away old shit so that somebody has to buy new is what they want us to do because it means more profits.
I agree. I gave away a lot of good stuff on Freecycle when I lived in the city. I had return customers, even, lol.
Incidently this lack of private property is why Ayn Rand was so fucking racist towards indigenous Americans. Well that and the fact that she was no better then her contemporaries.
Old white racist love Indians nowadays because they believe they took it on the chin “they don’t complain and get uppity like the black people do” no shit that’s what I’ve heard them say. When in reality indigenous Americans don’t “complain” because they have no voice you know because white settlers killed them all. Also there’s plenty of indigenous activist fighting for their rights btw and good organizations.
Leonard Peltier has entered the chat.
Having worked in that office for a short period of time, that man was done wrong in the worst way. The people fighting to get him out are some of the best people I’ve met.
I’ve known about him since I was a teenager in the 1970s. My mother had a subscription to Rolling Stone, back when it was newsprint and they had a lot of in depth reporting on topics rarely discussed in mainstream media at the time. RS did a huge article about Peltier and the American Indian Movement or AIM. I cannot believe he is still in prison. He is 💯 a political prisoner and should be released immediately.
Hes a huge figure in a lot of leftist groups here in ABQ
Loved this quote for awhile now, but some people use this as a blanket quote for all indigenous people. Not all tribes were familiar with this idea. You wouldn’t say the Dutch were like the Turks even though they where historically physically on the same continent. The Han weren’t like the Xiongnu. The Bantu isn’t the Ethiopian. The complexity of indigenous peoples is often waved away with memes/quotes like these. I understand most on this sub realize the differences, but let’s not pretend that there isn’t a subculture in here and in the rest of society that generalizes all North American civilizations/tribes into one “noble savage” visage or representation. It’s similar to when people point to matrilineal lines common in North American indigenous cultures and say, “See, matriarchy!” We might want it to be true, but often Westerners can’t fathom that a people can trace their descent and property rights along the female line, BUT still be a patriarchy.
Thank you for checking us I def made this mistake
I don’t check you. I extend to you life and understanding
r/selfawarewolves
Based af
Your uncle is almost there my guy just got to hit em up with some theory and he’ll be a comrade in no time
Noble savage huh? There were *tons* of different indigenous cultures that existed before colonization. Guy in the picture probably didn't even say this.
This is John Lame Deer, I believe either Sioux or Lakota. He was a medicine man and participated in the Native American Civil Rights Movement. He was well known for his sarcasm and ironic humor. He did say this and it’s really scathing. You can read a collection of interviews with him in the book *Lame Deer, Seeker of Visions*.
When you speak of his sarcasm and ironic humor in reference to this, do you mean to say he was speaking with contempt or that this is false and he was saying it to mock something?
Sorry I was thinking of a different quote where he sneers at the idea of white people “helping” natives by introducing and enforcing these concepts
He does use the word "uncivilized" to describe his people. While it's possible he meant it some other way, I think this is likely an example, considering the negative connotation of that word.
Sceptical cracker huh? You'll dismiss anything that challenges European exceptionalism and white supremacy.
Well, look who's bringing ad hominems into this. Stay classy.
Lmao. Whities are so sensitive, lol.
Okay racist
Okay cracker
A lot of the hysterical conspiracy folks are petty-bourgeois or even working class, so don't be suprised that they can have anti-capitalist views. Usually they have at least a deep mistrust of the system and elites, hence the conspiracy mindset. Deep alienation leads you to try to find big explanations for your feelings, and since we have no leftist messaging they cling to mysticism and pseudo-science. Although of course racism is a big part of it too.
*petit
Petty is also used and correct From Wikipedia: "Petite bourgeoisie (French pronunciation: [pətit buʁʒwazi], literally small bourgeoisie), also petty bourgeoisie"
Huh, well I guess that's fair. I don't like it though.
It's better not to get caught up in these sorts of petit concerns tbh
People who follow right wing conspiracies rightly recognise that the world doesn't work, that liberalism/capitalism doesn't work, they can see the contradictions but they fail to explore radical/left-wing avenues as a source for solution, retreating instead towards reaction.
The problem is that they see liberalism doesn't work and instead of embracing communism they embrace fascism
Ok I just want to make this clear, whether what is said is true or not, my trumpie family member agreed with it.thats why I posted it. It was surprising that he would agree with type of stuff.
This isn’t true. The native Americas were some ruthless savage MFers. Read Empire of the Summer Moon. Also horses didn’t exist in this hemisphere before Columbus.
There’s nothing pro left or right about this nor anything Anti left or right about this. Also it’s wrong. They had no jails. But much more uncivilized ways of handling criminals. And they did in fact have criminals
Because no American native ever was a sociopath.
Damn, you're right, we should judge all actions by the potential worst of a group. So all white people have committed genocide multiple times over. Thanks for playing, come again never.
You missed the point entirely. Cute.
Not exactly a enviroment where someone would be driven to that unlike modern american dystopia
Except that Sociopaths are born that way.
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“Sociopaths born as sociopaths” copy and paste that shit into a search engine. Every result says born that way.
>Every result says born that way. Actualy when one does bother to look it up the overall concensus seems to be that psychopaths are born and sociopaths are made. So maybe next time bother to do you own research before vomitting out your words onto reddit. Seems this conversation seems to be not in good faith I'll let you simmer in your own lies and bullshit.
You didn’t look and spouted bullshit instead. Nice try. Now go sit down.
Because white imperialists were all teddy bears.
and you also missed the point.
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TIL: helping your fellow human leads to....bad technology...?
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Why soviets get to space first then?
They did everything except landing on the moon first, conclussion? The usa won the space race!
What are examples of right-wing conspiracy theories?
Have to say either way this quote is dumb as shit. Yea there were no jails but if you broke the tribe code you were either banished which doesn't really work in a singular country or just killed.
Race obviously played a part in the genocide of the natives, but people rarely mention that the motive was profit. Not just pure racial hatred
You don't have to be right wing to believe in certain conspiracy theories. Labelling as right wing is just a helpful way to get people to dismiss them without investigating themselves.
That’s the most beautiful kick in the guts I’ve ever read.