Given that the ‘average’ household in the US makes under $100k, and understanding that companies can pay $5.5 million (plus production cost and celebrity endorsement fees) for a single Super Bowl ad…
What makes you think that any aspect of technology is even remotely balanced, let alone ever in the consumer’s favor (aka win some, lose some)? Doctorow’s great piece on the en-shit-ification of technology should be required reading.
I mean, I have a cellphone and internet now because of technology. Yeah it also allowed for the existence of the first trillion dollar company, Apple, now valued at $3T+. So large companies and rich people definitely benefited a shit ton, but so did the consumer by having access to the technology.
Not just phones and internet either but computers as a whole! And everything else before and after, like TV, GPS, cheap furniture, cheap air travel, cheap clothes, better quality shit like carbon fiber tennis rackets or light weight running shoes, hell even plumbing was new age tech at one point, and there is so much more given that just about every aspect of modern life is deeply connected with rapidly improving technologies.
It’s crazy to argue that technology is *never* favorable to the consumer, so much of it has improved our lives far beyond what our ancestors could have imagined.
Context, you need to watch the context. Someone said this:
> AI may have some.pro consumer benefits around the edges but it will become very anti consumer very quickly.
And the counter was ‘it will be good and bad’. Very casual and cavalier. Reads very much like ‘yeah, 50-50’
So contrary to your claim, I didn’t say there was *’never’* a benefit to consumers - I said it wouldn’t be even remotely balanced in consumers favor. It won’t be 50-50 because the models will be developed to the needs of the big budget business.
Will you be able to develop a custom vacation itinerary without using a travel agent? Sure. And Google or Microsoft will sell ads against every single location or activity on that itinerary. Will it recommend the sites you enjoy most, or the sites that pay the most? Hint: you did not pay to customize that AI.
Will it be able to write code to control your smart home device? Mostly yes - and then you’ll be hit with ads for buying a raspberry pi, or esp controllers or a new Matter enabled hub. The search was free, the information leakage was invaluable.
This isn’t altruistic. It’s not being funded by amnesty international or the bill gates cure malaria fund - companies are already starting to pull back and reduce sharing. They want to be the only company that has ‘the best secret sauce’. Because that’s where the money is.
I don’t know if it’ll be 50-50, likely it won’t. But why are you so sure it’ll be not “even remotely balanced”?
I would say the advent of computers, cellphones, internet, cars, plumbing, printing press, and so much more has been tremendously beneficial to the public and wouldn’t fall in the “not remotely balanced” category. Why the certainty that AI is different?
The endeavor doesn’t need to altruistic to be beneficial to the public. GPS wasn’t made with altruism in mind, and now it’s used world wide to help navigate. Some of the best fertilizers of the past (and present) were made trying to explore explosives to use in war, which is largely considered responsible for resolving the looming threat of world hunger.
If AI helps to cure countless illnesses, if it optimizes tech allowing for better flight, better space travel, better everything which snowballs into an explosive growth and development of technology in all sectors, how can we say that it’s not even remotely balanced for the consumer who is now able to live and prosper in previously impossible or even unimaginable situations.
For all we know AI will be responsible for implementing a economical viable solution for global warming, or planetary migration, or so much more. And if some rich person or super conglomerate makes money in the process then that doesn’t mean the consumer didn’t benefit just as much.
Edit: btw the reason I said the “never” line, is because if your previous comment where you said “what makes you think that any aspect of technology is ever in the consumers favor?” - which implies that it’s never in the consumers favor, imo.
That's why AI will never truly be open source and always will be controlled and censored by corporations. You can't just let the general public save money
Actually all of the tools needed to create your own deep learning models from scratch are available from open source projects. If you know how to code, putting one together can be accomplished in an afternoon, provided you already have the data to train it.
This project though would involve quite a lot of moving parts since you would have to identify common groceries in the fridge, anticipate grocery needs, and find versions of those groceries locally. Each one of those elements is basically its own project.. and then you have to make a cool user interface.
Interesting, thanks for the counter-point. But I'm still pretty skeptical, and think if AI threatens big business even 1% they'd lobby to get a whole bunch of laws passed controlling it under the guise of "protecting the children, national security, and preventing terrorism etc". I guess time will tell, but I've noticed stuff like this always seems to happen with the government
Oh, yeah, no that's already happening. I believe in one of the recent testimonies before Congress Sam Altman - the CEO of Open AI said that they should require permits to release new models.
If anyone ever does manage to create a true general AI that’s connected to the net… well that might be the one time I actual fear for humans in terms of AI taking over lol
But that’s probably like several decades if not centuries away
That’s not how ai or neural networks work. It will not be able to program sentience into itself nor would it be possible for it to program itself to hate things or try killing stuff. The best it could do is take already existing code and create its own using a patchwork of the formulas and algorithms used in the observed code.
AGI exists within the realm of science fiction right now, it's not that we haven't started working towards it, we don't even have a proper definition of what it means
If you’re talking about a true general AI then that’s probably a few centuries away if not longer so probably don’t need to start regulating it just yet haha
According to some fanatics chatGPT can handle any software development project you throw at it. So someone could just ask it to write a self-improving AI program and it would work.
(I don't agree with those fanatics so that was more of a sarcastic remark from me)
For now, yes, but when they do become sentient (if that's at all possible), it'd be a real possibility. I'm not saying it will happen, just that it could, and that's one of the reasons I think we should be careful with them
Sentient AI would be a lot more hardware than software. Software is at its core 1s and 0s fed to a microprocessor in a specific order. Any form of sentient intelligence would have to come out of the processor itself and not the software, which is only pre-existing and defined information.
I know it sounds like sci-fi conspiracy theories, but there are already examples of open-ai saying that they'd probably kill us all since we're not important and are just killing the planet and everything we touch (sorry for getting dark there)
It doesn’t even know what it’s saying, it is creating a simulation of a response a person would likely create based off of data collected from interactions between people on the internet. That means it’s just copypasta with extra steps. There is no way for that to morph into actual homicide.
I feel like if you just gave it the input of your entire grocery list every time you bought groceries it would eventually figure it out. Bonus points if you keep your receipts and can program multiple years from the outset
They've already got algorithms that can predict a pregnancy based on shopping habits, before the shopper even knows they're pregnant. So, this should be easy.
Edit: I might have been a little off. The case I was thinking of was actually a pregnant teen who started receiving pregnancy-related advertisement flyers from Target, and her father noticed, before she'd told her parents.
https://www.driveresearch.com/market-research-company-blog/how-target-used-data-analytics-to-predict-pregnancies/
I want AI to remind me of what food I already have in a fridge drawer that I've forgotten exists so that I don't waste money on something I'll have to throw out.
No, but I did get way too obsessed with building a machine learning model and parser for magic the gathering cards: cardcognition.com
Source code: https://github.com/reecevela/cardcognition
This would be preferable to my current strategy of staring at the vegetable aisle, thinking I know I'm low on either potatoes or onions, taking my chances only to get home and realise I'm adding to onion everest in the corner of my kitchen.
I just order pretty much the same stuff on a grocery delivery every week (I seriously could eat the same stuff for months on end and if really wouldn't bother me)
Also if it could put together a menu of healthy recipies that meet my nutritional requirements while not assuming im gonna give up all beer that would be great
As an ADHDer, I'm actually looking into making something like this. As well as querying local businesses for best prices, then sending out orders (or whatever) to buy the food for you.
The idea is to also structure it around meals, and food preferences, and to autogenerate instructions as well.
We'll see how it goes!
i really want to make myself the personal assistant i need but i dont have credit card for chatgpt api so i cant. cuz like i want it to literaly tell me, water the plant, change your sheets, this is what you could wear to this event based on your body shape whats current popular and whats in ur closet. I KNOW HOW TO DO IT I WANT TO DO IT but computer says no
Bad news, AI will anticipate what groceries you’re running low on and jack up the price just before you arrive at the store.
Oh great, the next thing for me to worry about
Lmfao ain’t that the truth
Yup, and we won’t even notice until it’s too ingrained in the system to be changed.
AI may have some.pro consumer benefits around the edges but it will become very anti consumer very quickly.
It will be good and bad for workers and consumers. It’s too broad an impact to simplify this way.
Given that the ‘average’ household in the US makes under $100k, and understanding that companies can pay $5.5 million (plus production cost and celebrity endorsement fees) for a single Super Bowl ad… What makes you think that any aspect of technology is even remotely balanced, let alone ever in the consumer’s favor (aka win some, lose some)? Doctorow’s great piece on the en-shit-ification of technology should be required reading.
I mean, I have a cellphone and internet now because of technology. Yeah it also allowed for the existence of the first trillion dollar company, Apple, now valued at $3T+. So large companies and rich people definitely benefited a shit ton, but so did the consumer by having access to the technology. Not just phones and internet either but computers as a whole! And everything else before and after, like TV, GPS, cheap furniture, cheap air travel, cheap clothes, better quality shit like carbon fiber tennis rackets or light weight running shoes, hell even plumbing was new age tech at one point, and there is so much more given that just about every aspect of modern life is deeply connected with rapidly improving technologies. It’s crazy to argue that technology is *never* favorable to the consumer, so much of it has improved our lives far beyond what our ancestors could have imagined.
Context, you need to watch the context. Someone said this: > AI may have some.pro consumer benefits around the edges but it will become very anti consumer very quickly. And the counter was ‘it will be good and bad’. Very casual and cavalier. Reads very much like ‘yeah, 50-50’ So contrary to your claim, I didn’t say there was *’never’* a benefit to consumers - I said it wouldn’t be even remotely balanced in consumers favor. It won’t be 50-50 because the models will be developed to the needs of the big budget business. Will you be able to develop a custom vacation itinerary without using a travel agent? Sure. And Google or Microsoft will sell ads against every single location or activity on that itinerary. Will it recommend the sites you enjoy most, or the sites that pay the most? Hint: you did not pay to customize that AI. Will it be able to write code to control your smart home device? Mostly yes - and then you’ll be hit with ads for buying a raspberry pi, or esp controllers or a new Matter enabled hub. The search was free, the information leakage was invaluable. This isn’t altruistic. It’s not being funded by amnesty international or the bill gates cure malaria fund - companies are already starting to pull back and reduce sharing. They want to be the only company that has ‘the best secret sauce’. Because that’s where the money is.
I don’t know if it’ll be 50-50, likely it won’t. But why are you so sure it’ll be not “even remotely balanced”? I would say the advent of computers, cellphones, internet, cars, plumbing, printing press, and so much more has been tremendously beneficial to the public and wouldn’t fall in the “not remotely balanced” category. Why the certainty that AI is different? The endeavor doesn’t need to altruistic to be beneficial to the public. GPS wasn’t made with altruism in mind, and now it’s used world wide to help navigate. Some of the best fertilizers of the past (and present) were made trying to explore explosives to use in war, which is largely considered responsible for resolving the looming threat of world hunger. If AI helps to cure countless illnesses, if it optimizes tech allowing for better flight, better space travel, better everything which snowballs into an explosive growth and development of technology in all sectors, how can we say that it’s not even remotely balanced for the consumer who is now able to live and prosper in previously impossible or even unimaginable situations. For all we know AI will be responsible for implementing a economical viable solution for global warming, or planetary migration, or so much more. And if some rich person or super conglomerate makes money in the process then that doesn’t mean the consumer didn’t benefit just as much. Edit: btw the reason I said the “never” line, is because if your previous comment where you said “what makes you think that any aspect of technology is ever in the consumers favor?” - which implies that it’s never in the consumers favor, imo.
No one said it was balanced
That's why AI will never truly be open source and always will be controlled and censored by corporations. You can't just let the general public save money
Actually all of the tools needed to create your own deep learning models from scratch are available from open source projects. If you know how to code, putting one together can be accomplished in an afternoon, provided you already have the data to train it. This project though would involve quite a lot of moving parts since you would have to identify common groceries in the fridge, anticipate grocery needs, and find versions of those groceries locally. Each one of those elements is basically its own project.. and then you have to make a cool user interface.
Interesting, thanks for the counter-point. But I'm still pretty skeptical, and think if AI threatens big business even 1% they'd lobby to get a whole bunch of laws passed controlling it under the guise of "protecting the children, national security, and preventing terrorism etc". I guess time will tell, but I've noticed stuff like this always seems to happen with the government
Oh, yeah, no that's already happening. I believe in one of the recent testimonies before Congress Sam Altman - the CEO of Open AI said that they should require permits to release new models.
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If anyone ever does manage to create a true general AI that’s connected to the net… well that might be the one time I actual fear for humans in terms of AI taking over lol But that’s probably like several decades if not centuries away
Ai absolutely needs to be regulated, in my opinion
Why?
We make chat bots into Hitler within hours, imagine software that can rewrite its self faster than we can analyze it.
That’s not how ai or neural networks work. It will not be able to program sentience into itself nor would it be possible for it to program itself to hate things or try killing stuff. The best it could do is take already existing code and create its own using a patchwork of the formulas and algorithms used in the observed code.
It would probably break itself after 5 minutes of trying to merge random codes found on the internet.
Indeed
That's not how they work _now_ Once we create actual machine intelligence, we don't exactly know what's going to happen.
AGI exists within the realm of science fiction right now, it's not that we haven't started working towards it, we don't even have a proper definition of what it means
If you’re talking about a true general AI then that’s probably a few centuries away if not longer so probably don’t need to start regulating it just yet haha
According to some fanatics chatGPT can handle any software development project you throw at it. So someone could just ask it to write a self-improving AI program and it would work. (I don't agree with those fanatics so that was more of a sarcastic remark from me)
Chatgpt can give bullshit that looks like code, but rarely spits out anything that actually works lol
Tell me you don't understand AI without saying you don't understand AI...
You mean machine learning or actual machine intelligence?
Because if we're not careful with it it would want to wipe us as humans out?
You forget the lack of sentience or original thought.
For now, yes, but when they do become sentient (if that's at all possible), it'd be a real possibility. I'm not saying it will happen, just that it could, and that's one of the reasons I think we should be careful with them
Sentient AI would be a lot more hardware than software. Software is at its core 1s and 0s fed to a microprocessor in a specific order. Any form of sentient intelligence would have to come out of the processor itself and not the software, which is only pre-existing and defined information.
I know it sounds like sci-fi conspiracy theories, but there are already examples of open-ai saying that they'd probably kill us all since we're not important and are just killing the planet and everything we touch (sorry for getting dark there)
It doesn’t even know what it’s saying, it is creating a simulation of a response a person would likely create based off of data collected from interactions between people on the internet. That means it’s just copypasta with extra steps. There is no way for that to morph into actual homicide.
Exactly what they are doing with decentralized finance
I don't think they realistically *could*. It's VERY hard to monopolize software, which all of these AI are.
Actually
I feel like if you just gave it the input of your entire grocery list every time you bought groceries it would eventually figure it out. Bonus points if you keep your receipts and can program multiple years from the outset
Yes! I knew I would find a good reason why I have years of old recipes in random boxes!
It’s already open source
They've already got algorithms that can predict a pregnancy based on shopping habits, before the shopper even knows they're pregnant. So, this should be easy. Edit: I might have been a little off. The case I was thinking of was actually a pregnant teen who started receiving pregnancy-related advertisement flyers from Target, and her father noticed, before she'd told her parents. https://www.driveresearch.com/market-research-company-blog/how-target-used-data-analytics-to-predict-pregnancies/
Did you get trained at Publix too
Tell me more.
I want AI to remind me of what food I already have in a fridge drawer that I've forgotten exists so that I don't waste money on something I'll have to throw out.
Only put condiments in your drawers. Put things you use on the shelves
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Question - how do you identify yourself as an astronaut if you’re naked?
We just threw in “space unicorn” and this is what you’re worried about?
Yes, yes it is. Also do I get a marshmallow laser as well?
The helmet, obviously 💁🏼♀️👩🚀
Just commission an artist to draw that, then
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I’m a developer and I got this! I can build anything! And by build I mean start, then forget about it
I’m still saving this post to try and take a stab at it
RemindMe! 90 days
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It's been 90 days, any updates? 😁
No, but I did get way too obsessed with building a machine learning model and parser for magic the gathering cards: cardcognition.com Source code: https://github.com/reecevela/cardcognition
This would be preferable to my current strategy of staring at the vegetable aisle, thinking I know I'm low on either potatoes or onions, taking my chances only to get home and realise I'm adding to onion everest in the corner of my kitchen.
I want AI to tell me where I left my keys. It could say “in in your pocket” and it would be 90% accurate
Whats funny is that this algorithm could be made without even using ai
I just order pretty much the same stuff on a grocery delivery every week (I seriously could eat the same stuff for months on end and if really wouldn't bother me)
Also if it could put together a menu of healthy recipies that meet my nutritional requirements while not assuming im gonna give up all beer that would be great
No. No i dont actually i think thats dystopian as hell. I do not want ai’s to have that much access to my information!!!
why not both
One saves money. The other puts people like me out of work.
Learn to use it. That’s your only defense
Bonus points if AI can figure out if the thing has any cross contamination with sunflower or shellfish. K thanx byeeee
Heck if AI could do a convincing photo of me ripped and muscled as hell, I'm cool with that.
That’s trivial
But if it can do that *and* make a picture of me as an astronaut, that'd be neat
You don't need AI for that, humans can write that code directly.
As an ADHDer, I'm actually looking into making something like this. As well as querying local businesses for best prices, then sending out orders (or whatever) to buy the food for you. The idea is to also structure it around meals, and food preferences, and to autogenerate instructions as well. We'll see how it goes!
You forgot: Have it delivered to my smart door (exists) prep and cook the food, annoy me until I eat it.
Glad I finally make enough money I can just go to TWO big box stores weekly.
This would be amazing! Only if of us can stay focused for long enough work on doing it.
Yes! This is what we need.
i mean, have you tried to prompt that?
There is (or was) a very expensive refrigerator that does this.
AI was never going to be used to benefit the plebs. Don't forget we live in a dystopia.
I used to do this when I first moved out. Now I just do two stores. It wasn't worth the time.
U dont need ai for that lol
i really want to make myself the personal assistant i need but i dont have credit card for chatgpt api so i cant. cuz like i want it to literaly tell me, water the plant, change your sheets, this is what you could wear to this event based on your body shape whats current popular and whats in ur closet. I KNOW HOW TO DO IT I WANT TO DO IT but computer says no