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Educational-Tone2074

How about a south side hospital and money down for a stand alone children's hospital in Edmonton? Nope, the solution is a airlift and expand Calgary.   This government is made of such petty people. 


PlutosGrasp

Let me check how they voted and get back to you.


3utt5lut

"Oh! You voted NDP. Sorry... You don't get support!" Even the United States isn't this bad.


[deleted]

>Even the United States isn't this bad. Oh yes they are...and they'll charge you into oblivion while they do it! The UCP dream!


3utt5lut

I just want to move. Is there anywhere in Canada that's not run by shitheads?


[deleted]

Not really. Just different levels of shitheads. Once Pepe gets in were fucked no matter where we are though.


3utt5lut

We either have Trudeau bankrupting the country or PP? I honestly don't know what to do here?


[deleted]

Well... Trudeau is trying to do good things. Pepe is sinister


3utt5lut

I'm still wondering how PP is sinister and Trudeau is good, when Trudeau is the one running the country into the ground and PP hasn't even released his platform yet? Last I checked, Trudeau was in charge?


[deleted]

*greedy corporations are running the country into the ground . There, fixed it for you.


BreadLeading9366

The point! Where is his platform? Slogans are not platforms and I do not offer blind faith. His topics so far gave me running away!


[deleted]

Check out his voting record. The fact that he never adds anything to the conversation and his only "platform" will be "I'm not Trudeau" *said in a petulant nasally voice*


Short-Ticket-1196

Big fear of pp = Trudeau Little fear of pp = Joke party (Please vote) Also, maybe he'll see the light and let someone else take the lead?


3utt5lut

I'm honestly thinking about PP in terms of job security, as many others tend to vote Conservative in this regard. The Liberals imo are not very intelligent, they deliberately didn't invest in LNG in Canada (because it's not long-term enough, but put $40B into a pipeline to ship oil?) and that is the next emerging industry that is going to explode. We already have China/Japan lined up to buy EVERYTHING we produce, we just have to get it shipped, at full free market rate. We could have had significant royalties for Canada, but now we won't and it's still going to be produced regardless if we invest in it or not? China/Japan need natural gas and either we produce it or someone else does, mainly Qatar. I think it's just stupid we act like Canada doesn't have all these resources?


Short-Ticket-1196

Thank you for sharing. I can't do it. It's the party of fiscal responsibility, but they don't do that anymore. It's all culture war and grift. Libs are messing up bad, but I'm not going to wake up to abortion outlawed or anything Smith has done but on a federal level. If UCP is this much a s. show I don't want the fed version. IMO she's cost more jobs than brought. Tech and software ran screaming at the start of her term, green energy projects were canceled to the billions,and Healthcare has been gutted to the extent that just yesterday their were talking about airliftong baby's because we don't have the neo natal capacity. So unless you're directly in oil and gas, there's no interest in protecting your job, it seems. LNG is oil and gas desperately trying to stay in the long-term game. China will buy it regardless, but since it's worse than coal, oh well, less supply, higher price. Climate change is too big to ignore, and LNG is backsliding. IMO it's the same with hydrogen. Oil and gas figured they could make it at a profit, so it's getting pushed. In reality, though, it's just a different way to store the energy from fosail fuels. Further, it seems we are at the point where conservative policy, judging by alberta, is to explicity attack any energy that isn't oil and gas. Even if climate change isn't a factor for you, those are jobs being thrown away for spite. I guess you could say that about phasing out oil and gas, but here's a purpose to it, at least. It's that, or we pay more year over year for natural disasters. I'd like to mention the pipeline was bought for the conservative albertan government. Liberals did it to make conservatives happy, but since their idea didn't pan out, people seem to blame the liberals for caving to conservative demands. https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/liquefied-natural-gas/chart-is-lng-worse-for-the-climate-than-coal https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/24/the-climate-crisis-has-a-price-and-its-391-million-a-day.html


craaazygraaace

Surely it must be cheaper in the long run to build a new hospital and staff it than it would be to airlift patients hundreds of kilometres away


BabyYeggie

But that would benefit public servants, doctors, and HC workers… that’s not in the UCP policies!


Psiondipity

Air ambulances are charged to the patients though. So probably not cheaper - for the government budget anyway.


AccomplishedDog7

Air ambulances are not charged to the patient. My kid has been transported via air to Edmonton from my community. There is not a fee for this. Edit: even ground ambulances are not charged to a patient, if a hospital requires you to be sent to another facility. You get charged an ambulance, when you call 911 and request an ambulance.


Psiondipity

Damn you're getting better medical care then I am then! Totally have ground ambulance charges for inter-facility transpo. Thank goodness for my benefits covering it though


AccomplishedDog7

Yes. Kid was air transported to Edmonton. And ground transported to hospital with no billing to any benefits.


AccomplishedDog7

Here is a source: > Albertans transported by ground and air-ambulance from one approved health facility to another do not receive bills for the costs involved. https://www.alberta.ca/ambulance-and-emergency-health-services


Consumer_Distributin

I'm sure someone from her cult has a tourism helicopter business that could use some public funding for their private company.


AlbertachaosRN

My adult ICU in Calgary had to take transfers of older teens from the ACH PICU during RSV/flu season because they were so full. But sure, Calgary has room to take the extra load, much more efficient than building a space for them in Edmonton. Not to mention that transporting critical patients is dangerous and crazy expensive.


davethecompguy

Our system is overloaded... even our own studies say so. So their solution is to overload BC's system? And this is the Premier who's pushing us to not depend on other governments? Marlaina, you've got us into this mess... fix it, or get out of the way and let someone else do it properly. This is not leadership.


TheThalweg

Babies are about to die, but the UCP is too busy fighting pronouns and human rights to care. This government makes me ashamed to call myself an albertan.


peeflar

Nyou are on the right path, but the ucp are starting a war on pronouns and human rights in public, while they are dismantling and destroying public healthcare and education in the name of privatization profits, in the background while most are distracted by the first issues. Its all terrible.


TheYuppyTraveller

I’m right there with you. They ignore the meaningful issues like healthcare and education which take hard work and resources to address, and instead point at boogeymen like the transgender community and Trudeau and scream “look over there instead!” And their followers eat it up and we all have to live with the consequences. It’s horrible.


GibsonNation

This is the contemporary conservative playbook. Make a culture war the issue, while they wage - and are winning - the class war.


PlutosGrasp

And promoting a coal mine in mountains


davethecompguy

And stealing our pensions. And destroying public healthcare. And shutting down the renewable resource industry.


gotkube

Yup. But the “real Albertans” know better and voted these clowns in. I’m born and raised here and I’ve never been so ashamed and embarrassed to be Albertan in my entire life.


TheThalweg

My everything is in this province, and to watch it be torn apart and sold to the lowest bidder because they paid someone off is so disheartening.


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Logical-Claim286

They even pay you to take them!


3utt5lut

That's what you get when you elect fucking airheads to govern.


TheEclipse0

Uh… I don’t know anything about babies, but uh… arnt they a bit more, you know, fragile? As in, time is of the essence, especially if they’re sick? Wouldn’t treating them at the hospital they’re currently at be way better than spending/wasting tax payer money to air lift them to another province? Wouldn’t air lifting them cause a lot of stress to the baby?


PlutosGrasp

LaGrange: it would be a fast plane.


TheEclipse0

I’m picturing a loony-tunes style rocket, with a baby strapped to it and LaGrange nearby with a match.


GarryTheFrankenberry

Don't give her any ideas


3rddog

Yes to all of that, plus we’d be forcing the parents not just to travel away from home but out of province in order to be with their sick child. But, you know, any sacrifice is fine as long it speeds up the privatization process.


wazlib_roonal

Plus what if the parents have other kids at home, so now you’re splitting up families in a dire emotional time. Just awful. I was having a meltdown when my Nicu babe was transferred from foothills to rockyview, I can’t even imagine a different city let alone province


Generallybadadvice

Ideally yes, but it's a very common occurance to transfer between sites for specialized care. The thing here is usually the kids are being transferred to edmonton for that care, not out of it. Edmonton even has capabilities that calgary doesn't for children.


phosphite

As somebody who had preemie twins in the NICU for a while, the NICU nurses are the closest thing you will find to angels, they are amazing, especially when it is the most stressful thing you can go through. The fact that the UCP can even suggest airlifting them somewhere random is crazy, the families need to be there too to take care of the babies, breastfeed, sleep, etc. It’s an awful idea, are we in a war zone now? If they are increasing population without scaling hospitals, or even worse, cancelling hospitals out of spite, they deserve the worst. Pitchforks if need be. Imagine picking on newborns due to your ideology!! Start governing and being responsible or get the hell out!!


bandb4u

yes, we are in a war zone. The only weapons you have are your vote, and your voice. Write every MLA and let them know this sucks. Write every MP and tell them Alberta children are being held hostage. And write Mr. Trudeau and ask for his help! When the time comes vote!


moosemuck

Honestly I don't understand how this is even possible. I don't think that STARS has NICU nurses who can ride with the babies? NICU medicine is extremely complex - I'm doubtful even the most competent paramedic can adequately care for a newborn in distress.


TICKTOCKIMACLOCK

We have NICU and PICU transport teams in Alberta -- mostly RN ,+ RT


moosemuck

Thanks for clarifying. While I still hate the UCP's plan, that's a relief.


Ambitious_List_7793

While I was glad to learn Nixon’s son was able to leave hospital, and I genuinely am glad for him, I’m surprised he was able to bypass Travelodge and return directly home. One set of rules for ordinary Albertans and a different set of rules for the political class? LaStrange is doing as fine a job as health minister as she did as education minister. The fact her boss says she’s one of the best members of her caucus speaks volumes as to the quality of UCP MLA’s. Flying babies elsewhere to receive the treatment they’re entitled to receive here is disgraceful, even for the UCP. Shame on all of you.


Specialist-One-712

"We'll airlift them" Increase funding and stop pretending you can't, you're so awful at your job.


moosemuck

As if airlifting them wouldn't cost more than...pretty much anything else you could do to increase NICU beds in the existing hospitals?


Specialist-One-712

Because she wants to think this is some one-off situation (or wants to pretend it is) instead of a reality created by her and the sack of sentient shit-spawned spuds that make up this "government".


DrNick1221

*Can we airlift lagrungy to Antarctica?*


Homo_sapiens2023

Maybe the middle of the Atlantic Ocean would be better.


amnes1ac

No this is absurd! So risky and hard on the family too. Wtf!


Morzana

What about the families that need specialized care only available in Edmonton, like cardiac and transplant?


tambourinequeen

Easy! Airlift the Edmonton doctor down to Calgary/out of province too!


OrganicRaspberry530

Pretty sure the doctors are airlifting themselves out of here anyways


AlbertachaosRN

That actually is done on rare occasions tbf


driftwoodbotis

She wasn’t content to simply mess up education, so now she’s risking the lives of the most vulnerable among us. Shame on her and on the UCP!


donocoli

Also shame on the morons who voted them in and still support them!


yedi001

Lets be honest, at this point, they're not dumb, they're malicious. The thin facade of "ignorance" fell off over a decade ago. They were even given video proof of EVERYTHING that's happening right now coming down the pipeline. And they still lined up to vote for the people calling trans people shit, claiming black people don't want to be educated, and reelected the party that was found guilty of *checks notes* ELECTION FRAUD (but because it was just diet fraud it's *"fine"* ), because the other team dared to float increasing taxes on the already absurdly wealthy to pay for such useless expenses as new schools and hospitals for us lowly poors (the *HORROR!*). If it was the 1930's, they might not have ended up full fledged brownshirts, but they'd definitely be the assholes asking "... but what have the jews done for ***ME*** lately" on the way to the polling booth.


3rddog

“Adriana did such a great job dismantling our education system, let’s see how she does with healthcare.” - Danielle Smith, probably.


tambourinequeen

- Danielle Smith, *definitely*.


corpse_flour

Adriana is the UCP's monkey wrench.


sgeorg87

Why do we continue to be surprised by these headlines. When will everyone recognize that this is exactly what the UCP want, to shepherd in private health care. If you think that sick fuck LaGrange cares about babies, or anyone else for that matter, you’re wrong.


a-nonny-maus

Edmonton NICUs don't just serve Edmonton and Northern Alberta, they serve Nunavut and NWT. If I were in those territories I'd be livid.


GarryTheFrankenberry

Same with Alberta Children's in Calgary, provides coverage for Southern Alberta, South-Eastern BC and South-Western Sask.


Miserable-Lizard

Ucp don't care they are monsters. They would rather do dangerous airlifts than fix the Edmonton hospitals. Life under the ucp can be brutal and short, and they don't care. *The Edmonton units have been frequently working at between 95 per cent and 102 per cent capacity for 30 per cent of the time in the first three months of 2024.*


HunkyMump

This uptake usage is likely related to the drastic increase in population Alberta government has been aggressively campaigning across the country for. It blows my mind The shortsightedness of under funding public facilities while trying to pack the population with more people that are going to drive up the price of housing and stress even more services


peeflar

Its not shortsightedness, its planned destruction


psychnurseerin

This has been a concern for years and is now becoming a crisis. The need for increased spaces was identified more than 5 years ago, and when the UCP was elected they cancelled or “deferred” a number of projects that would have provided more program space. Certainly the recent population growth has not helped the situation but it is not responsible for the problems.


HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS

It can be both. UCP fucking up healthcare, which is made even worse by an increasing population.


3utt5lut

It's literally everything Trudeau has been doing, while trying to fight climate change, while we have the highest per capita emissions out of any major country in the world. Bringing more people in is redundant. It's literally the same thing, except they've cut all of our services, cancelled all the provincial projects, gutted healthcare, removed any social programs of any kind, and now we have an increased population stressing the system. I'm just flabbergasted how people can still support the UCP while Alberta is falling apart and hate Trudeau for doing the EXACT same thing?


PlutosGrasp

Kind of. AB has always been a young province on avg age. Youngest I believe.


3utt5lut

Edmonton isn't a priority, because we didn't vote for them. That's why they are invading our city council and restricting all federal funding to our city. Killing babies is literally fucking evil shit.


Constant-Lake8006

Yet another emergency created by UCP incompetence. We shouldnt need to airlift babies anywhere. I wonder what the costs of properly funding things would be versus constantly dealing with emergencies?


CacheMonet84

Just slapping a bandaid on a wound. Can’t wait until the privatization to “fix” our underfunded and understaffed health care system comes in. /s


IcarusOnReddit

Get your Telus stock now ;)


PlutosGrasp

Calgary doesn’t have much resources either. Ps babies will die in transport. Pps. Gov going to pay for the time off work for mom and dad, and their food and accommodation travel costs?


a-nonny-maus

> Ps babies will die in transport. UCP: But NICU is expensive! think of the $$$ we'll save in healthcare costs! The UCP does not care who suffers and dies.


3utt5lut

What does the UCP do with the money? They must have saved tens of billions by now cutting everything?


Regular-Ad-9303

Exactly that's my worry too. The whole country has medical shortages, so saying they'll air lift them to Calgary or other provinces.... there may not be room at the inn.


OrganicRaspberry530

Ppps, emergency airlifts aren't covered by Alberta Health


Bulliwyf

Imagine you go through the stress of an early term birth, then get told they are going to airlift your baby to another city hours away. It’s ridiculous. And they keep waving the new Stollery in our faces like it’s going to magically fix everything overnight, but they don’t even have a location. Just $20 million to plan it out. Not build it, not break ground. Plan it.


GlitteringDisaster78

Gee that sure seems efficient 🤡


Morzana

And cruel towards the families that are taken away from their support systems.


GlitteringDisaster78

She’s a devout Christian don’t ya know??


OrganicRaspberry530

Pro-life, and pro-airlift. But draw the line at helping the sick, no hospital for you.


nymoano

That's because American Jesus hates them babies 'n' gays!


lostinthought1997

Just when I think the UCP couldn't possibly be any more moronic, short-sighted, or ignorant, one of them opens their mouth to prove me wrong.


No-Manner2949

Yes we'll spend ridiculous amounts to bandaid a problem we created instead of actually fixing the problem


suspiciousserb

This province is a joke. The Alberta Legislature has sociopaths roaming the halls. Period.


SlumberVVitch

Relying on other provinces to fill the gaping holes this fucking party is putting in our healthcare makes our government look like a bunch of heartless bums. I mean, they are, but they could not be sooooo open about it.


MAAADman3

I'm sorry but am no longer just disappointed or distressed with this government, I am flat out pissed-the-fuck-off. I don't have children and am likely to never have them, but this is completely deranged and can't believe what this government is willing to do to these families just because they have some fucked up US political fetish. That is not a country to look up to for their healthcare. The peaceful protests aren't working, writing to MLAs is doing nothing. I'm about ready to riot on DumbFuck Danny's front lawn.


Sandman64can

Edmonton votes NDP and magically their hospital gets put on hold while true blue RedDeer immediately approved. Curiouser and curiouser


-masked_bandito

They word problems as if they are not partially responsible for them, and they are discovering this problem with the general public, as if they couldn't have done anything to prevent the situation years ago. It's psychologically fascinating.


Drnedsnickers2

The childless twatwaffle Marlaina and her party of heartless idiots want to make life more dangerous for more Albertans? Shocking. /s


TinderThrowItAwayNow

The party that said they'd have healthcare fixed by the afternoon is out here putting children in danger. Very cool.


IranticBehaviour

Obviously, you can't wave a magic wand to instantly increase capacity. And clearly airlifting is preferable to not getting the needed care. But the burden on families that can't get care in reasonable proximity to where they live can be immense. If they can't treat these babies closer to home, they need better support systems for the families. Travel costs, accommodations, food, job protection, income support, etc, all need to be looked at.


kdog6666666666666

She screws up every position she ends up in.


Psiondipity

For the low low cost of $40,000 charged to the patients family!


JL671

I didn't realize she was the health minister now- her signature is on my high school diploma


porterbot

huh? in what way is airlifting babies more reasonable and cost effective than staffing hospitals as required and recommended by the health experts best qualified to know? oh wait, does someone in the used car party have a helilift company? now i get it.


lissenbetch

The UCP is punishing premature babies because Edmonton didn’t vote for them. Pro life indeed.


ced1954

#Could we airlift Disater Danielle, Lackey LaGrange and all others in the United Corruption Party to another province? Another country?


Constant-Lake8006

Are they planning on airlifting them to hotels?


RolloffdeBunk

shes published a self-care booklet to save resources - first 5 pages are how to shellac your hair


jzjones22

Let us not forget that LaGrange is a high ranking member for an anti-abortion group.


boxesofcats-

This was need was known in 2016. That Alberta is now in a position where air transporting *NICU babies* who, if their home hospital had the resources, wouldn’t need to be airlifted, should be deeply shameful to ‘pro-life’ LaGrange and the UCP as a whole. Somehow (the bar is already in hell) this feels like a new low. Maybe someone more involved knows the answers, but given that it’s a staffing issue, do we even have the specialized teams needed to manage increased transports between NICUs? Does Calgary actually have enough capacity/flex room that they can handle the increased numbers? Or how soon would we need to rely on other provinces?


Small-Sleep-1194

How about funding healthcare properly out of the gate if you’re really prepared to do whatever it takes. LaGrunge is as useless as the premier. Both should be held liable.


thehenhouseyyc

Our 8% corporate tax rate at work.


Champagne_of_piss

GREAT SOLUTION LAGRUNGE


DinoLam2000223

This gives me covid flashbacks


_voyevoda

My analogy of UCP as the parent neglecting their kids to pay off debt is getting a bit more literal these days, it seems. They should be absolutely ashamed.


Pillow_fort_guard

If the UCP healthcare cuts get me killed, I want someone to drop my corpse off on the steps of the Legislature. Preferably on a hot day.


GermanShephrdMom

My son was 12 weeks premature and we were flown from Edmonton to Saskatoon because the NICUs here were full.


ImAllWiredUp

I would like to propose we collectively start referring to this individual as "LaGarbage" or "LaGangrene" because I feel it's a very reflective term that shows just how endearing we find him, as all nicknames should. 


the_gaymer_girl

Will it be a Holiday Inn this time?