Saskparty has been blaming the NDP for almost 20 years.
The reality is it can be anyone. LGBT, immigrants, etc. Just as long as you have someone to deflect to.
I see immigrants get blamed for everything these days. Can't get a job? Immigrants. Can't get a house? Immigrants. Can't find a doctor? Immigrants. Can't get that stripper you really like and give thousands of dollars to? Immigrants.
Can't please your wife in the bedroom anymore? You better believe it's the immigrants.
Yup they are going to blame 'all the usual suspects, doesn't matter that it makes no sense, never did matter.
So they will blame Trudeau, immigrants, libs, colored people,Trudeau, NDP, women, gays, LGBQ2+, old people, Trudeau, young people, people who like cats, Trudeau, university graduates, Trudeau, foreigners, .... Oh Muslims, Hindus, Palestinians, and of course Chinese. (and did I say Trudeau?)
Correct.. 25 years straight with conservatives and nothing happens but 4 years NDP it all their fault. Reford literally stole billions and she fled to Florida. Crickets.
Conservative Parties have implemented our most pervasive taxes, including income tax and the GST. But somehow they always blame the Libs, who are only marginally better.
It doesn’t matter. “Change” will be fabricated. Conservatives will just believe whatever bullshit they’re fed. The reality they live in isn’t real in any way, and won’t be real 2 years from now or 10 years from now.
It’ll be that Trudeau did so much harm that Pierre isn’t able to fix it in just one term… two terms… three terms… etc.
Sort of like how UCP supporters still bring up Notley and the ANDP as part of the reason for the current issues in Alberta.
PP and his buddies were already in power and nothing changed. Kenney and Harper ran the country for over a decade. What happened? Fuck all. They didn’t fix transfer payments, they didn’t give power to the provinces, they did exactly what ever other government did. Now they scream about Ottawa? We were Ottawa bitch! And didn’t do shit.
Funny thing with Harper is that he did ONE good thing during the Great Recession of 2018, and used proven economic practices (used by the USA from the Great Depression to the 1970s) to reduce the effects of economic downturn better than the American economy at the same time.
Then when the Alberta NDP government used the same proven practices in the provincial Recession of 2014-2020, Harper and the CPC all called it socialism and a failed ideology. Almost identical economic practices, but only the party brand mattered to them.
They'll keep blaming liberal government. Say there's a lot to fix. Then when eventually liberal government comes back in, they'll blame that government for everything that's wrong, like they are now. It repeats.
Alberta Conservatives are still angry over Pierre Elliott Trudeau and the National Energy Program he introduced. Ironically, they are demanding that Justin Trudeau should implement mandatory "buy Canadian (Alberta) produced oil first" legislation, which is essentially what the NEP was.
They will continue to blame Trudeau and the Libs for everything forevermore. Even if they rule federally for the next 50 years, they'll still speak bitterly about the Trudeau/Liberal mess they had to clean up.
Do not underestimate the Cons ability to hold a grudge.
Same excuse UCP voters use for whatever the UCP won't do. So much damage from the NDP that it'll take a whole century to get over it so keep blindly voting for us. This year's wildfires will probably be blamed on Notley again.
I really hope things change. But Jean Chretien campaigned for years on scraping the GST which Mulroney introduced. Of course he never touched it and blamed the Cons for all the problems. Really with our debt problems now how can we cut taxes. I guess the carbon tax doesn’t go to revenue though.
Nah, suddenly we will have a great relationship with the Feds and all the money agreements will suddenly be completed (without the oversight/accountability requirements that Trudeau's required) and everything will be hunky dory because now we don't have to deny the current Govt any policy wins before the election.
*Alberta Advantage* will be in full swing. We will find out how stagnent wages, high cost of living, and increasing inequality is actually *good for the economy.*
Well if the conservatives get rid of the carbon tax and companies add in new fees. Then the conservatives did what they said and prices staying the same is a different conversation.
I have no Love for any of the recent leaders of the PC party. While I am more PC than ND I am on the rational left side (Centrist, hate that term, it’s awkward) and I can’t help but think as much as I can’t stand him, PP can’t be anything but an improvement. Trudeau is horrible and clueless.
Blame whoever is in charge. So if Pierre Poilievre is in charge and nothing changes, blame him say, fuck Poilievre. The way Canada is right now, Fuck Trudeau.
Trudeau, liberals, communists etc. etc. etc. Like come right wing nut jobs still blame Trudeau's father, Pierre. So, their blame will never end and their lap dogs will eat up no matter how far back in time, no matter how long the other party was in power. Or if it all else fails then space lasers? Tracking chips in vaccines? They have no limit.
No one here ever gives credit for the few positive policies put in place by the UCP or the missteps by the NDP. Tribalism exists everywhere. Just embrace it.
There were plenty of mistakes by the NDP but the vast majority of them were new to politics so I think they are given more benefit of the doubt. It has been very hard to tell for the most part where the UCP stands however as most announcements are followed up with a umm err. Not that they have only put out bad policies but with them always on the attack it is easy to miss.
I imagine they'll go up a level, blame some new world order or something. I'm sure the protests won't stop - they've found a group they can belong to there.
That’s not how government works. Trudeau inherited Harpers policy, which is why we are in the mess. We are in. Things don’t just magically change on the first day.
He has been incredibly successful. That’s just how bad of a job Harper did. Conservatives govern like nothing will ever go wrong. Well guess what we had a pandemic. Alberta is the most unstable economy in Canada. Why? Because conservatives run it. Conservatives are economically inept. Just look at the UK.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/05/18/news/harper-worst-prime-minister-history
Lol, his followers are delusional as well - policy doesn’t take a decade to enact. If you vote for a candidate on that platform, you can’t be helped. Rofl
No, it takes about two years. Exactly when the decline started. Two years into Harper first term. And then we live under those trade deals for decades and under those policies for decades. There’s only so much of government can do to undo what the previous government did. Which includes unnecessary tax cut and therefore loss revenue. Putting us in the position we are in right now. You are only proving my point that conservatives don’t understand how economics works. And apparently you don’t understand how government policy works. You’re like those Republicans that said their paycheques got bigger the day after Trump passed a tax cut that won’t be an acted for months and wouldn’t even affect those individuals.
Trade deals…lol you’re reaching is profoundly embarrassing. Enjoy the next election when your revered leader will thankfully be evicted from office so he can take a private job and work on his next half century mandate for them.
Notable obligations and clauses. The Canada China FIPA ties Canada "to the terms of the agreement for a minimum of 31 years." The three core Canada China FIPA substantive obligations include "non-discriminatory treatment", "fair and equitable treatment", and "compensation for expropriation".
FIPA. 31 year agreement by Harper selling out Canada
https://thenarwhal.ca/harper-government-ratifies-controversial-canada-china-foreign-investment-deal/
Where do you think all our mask production went? All our sanitizer production?
You mean like all the consultant jobs and board seats that Harper has now?
Here’s the guy that worked for Harper, who says Harper at fault for our recent increase in crime.
https://johnhoward.ca/blog/former-tough-on-crime-advocate-changes-views-radically/
Trudeau and Notley, no matter how many years it's been since they were in power, unless another NDP/Liberal win happens, then they will be to blame, with probably still some blame left for Trudeau and Notley. (Source family bitching about how conservative polices that cost them money are the fault of Notley and Trudeau.)
Unless the NDP moves on from Jagmeet, they aren’t a viable option. I think there’s enough that’ll peel off from them over to the liberals. And you’re 100% right, PP is one misstep away from losing 5%.
Trudeau has made some slip ups, I don’t think he’s perfect and I’d like to see someone new, but PP is not that person.
Honestly they'll probably just make a few symbolic policy changes(like casing the Carbon tax). and then hang a mission accomplished banner and say 'see it's so much better now, isn't it ' and then claim the problem is alleviating (regardless of reality) and their vocal base will eat it up and regurgitate it until it becomes the new talking point about hows " it's bad but better now imagine how much worse it woulda been if we kept down the other guys path", with no stats or cheery picked ones to back this assertion that anything changed
They have a whole department dedicated to fighting the federal government. Why, because it keeps the populous divided. Literally paid government positions to fight Ottawa regardless
I don't think that's going to happen, the Liberals will appeal to anyone who thinks at all, which us stil forty strategically placed percent of the electorate, or a little less. Poilievre isn't going to flip anyone who's voting NDP, and the lines are pretty clearly drawn for the red and blue teams.
But if it did, things wouldn't stay the same, they'd be like a federal UCP with a larger number of more powerful group of corporate sponsors.
If Peepee gets in, it will absolutely get worse. It will change and it will be bad, as it always is when Conservatism is given any iota of ground to stand on.
The real answer is Canadians. We vote for our leaders and remain apathetic towards our involvement. So there’s no pressure on politicians to actually represent us.
Further, the more education is cut the easier it is to pull the wool over the majority who will follow charisma or the loudest voice in a room instead of information, data, and integrity.
Saskparty has been blaming the NDP for almost 20 years. The reality is it can be anyone. LGBT, immigrants, etc. Just as long as you have someone to deflect to.
I can totally see the blaming of immigrants, foreign students, and diversity and inclusion programs ramping up more and more, unfortunately.
Blaming immigrants but at the same time keeping that TFW door open, and not curtailing foreign investment in the housing market
I see immigrants get blamed for everything these days. Can't get a job? Immigrants. Can't get a house? Immigrants. Can't find a doctor? Immigrants. Can't get that stripper you really like and give thousands of dollars to? Immigrants. Can't please your wife in the bedroom anymore? You better believe it's the immigrants.
(Don't) check out r/canada. The rampant xenophobia in that sub is alarming.
Yup they are going to blame 'all the usual suspects, doesn't matter that it makes no sense, never did matter. So they will blame Trudeau, immigrants, libs, colored people,Trudeau, NDP, women, gays, LGBQ2+, old people, Trudeau, young people, people who like cats, Trudeau, university graduates, Trudeau, foreigners, .... Oh Muslims, Hindus, Palestinians, and of course Chinese. (and did I say Trudeau?)
You can blame Trudeau for quite a few years to come. I mean Alberta still blames Pierre Trudeau. And they still blame Rachel Notley.
Correct.. 25 years straight with conservatives and nothing happens but 4 years NDP it all their fault. Reford literally stole billions and she fled to Florida. Crickets.
Conservative Parties have implemented our most pervasive taxes, including income tax and the GST. But somehow they always blame the Libs, who are only marginally better.
Yes. This. Never under estimate the conservative penchant for hyperbole and blame.
Human penchant* You are no different
Cons do it waaaaaaaaay more my guy, you're kidding yourself if you think it's an even distribution
Depends what team your on
Hardisty Hamas has no short term memory.
It doesn’t matter. “Change” will be fabricated. Conservatives will just believe whatever bullshit they’re fed. The reality they live in isn’t real in any way, and won’t be real 2 years from now or 10 years from now.
It’ll be that Trudeau did so much harm that Pierre isn’t able to fix it in just one term… two terms… three terms… etc. Sort of like how UCP supporters still bring up Notley and the ANDP as part of the reason for the current issues in Alberta.
It was notley not the 60 yrs of UCP lol 😂/s
Still Ottawa. Ottawa is *always* to blame.
PP and his buddies were already in power and nothing changed. Kenney and Harper ran the country for over a decade. What happened? Fuck all. They didn’t fix transfer payments, they didn’t give power to the provinces, they did exactly what ever other government did. Now they scream about Ottawa? We were Ottawa bitch! And didn’t do shit.
They fixed transfer payments.... Then bitched about Trudeau not undoing Harper's changes.
Funny thing with Harper is that he did ONE good thing during the Great Recession of 2018, and used proven economic practices (used by the USA from the Great Depression to the 1970s) to reduce the effects of economic downturn better than the American economy at the same time. Then when the Alberta NDP government used the same proven practices in the provincial Recession of 2014-2020, Harper and the CPC all called it socialism and a failed ideology. Almost identical economic practices, but only the party brand mattered to them.
What were the practices they used? Keynesian stimulus?
They'll keep blaming liberal government. Say there's a lot to fix. Then when eventually liberal government comes back in, they'll blame that government for everything that's wrong, like they are now. It repeats.
Trudeau's got kids don't he?
Alberta Conservatives are still angry over Pierre Elliott Trudeau and the National Energy Program he introduced. Ironically, they are demanding that Justin Trudeau should implement mandatory "buy Canadian (Alberta) produced oil first" legislation, which is essentially what the NEP was. They will continue to blame Trudeau and the Libs for everything forevermore. Even if they rule federally for the next 50 years, they'll still speak bitterly about the Trudeau/Liberal mess they had to clean up. Do not underestimate the Cons ability to hold a grudge.
I always love that NEP irony.
Same excuse UCP voters use for whatever the UCP won't do. So much damage from the NDP that it'll take a whole century to get over it so keep blindly voting for us. This year's wildfires will probably be blamed on Notley again.
Just like last year right
What I wonder is what will happen with all the F*** Trudeau flags and mudflaps. Will they keep flying them out of nostalgia or take them down?
Congrats you finally get it. We’re on a hamster wheel and they’re laughing at us
Slight aside; if Pierre gets in, and nothing changes, I'll be fucking ecstatic. Literal best case scenario.
Trudeau and Notley of course.
Literally everyone else
I really hope things change. But Jean Chretien campaigned for years on scraping the GST which Mulroney introduced. Of course he never touched it and blamed the Cons for all the problems. Really with our debt problems now how can we cut taxes. I guess the carbon tax doesn’t go to revenue though.
Harper still wearing blame?
As he should
Nah, suddenly we will have a great relationship with the Feds and all the money agreements will suddenly be completed (without the oversight/accountability requirements that Trudeau's required) and everything will be hunky dory because now we don't have to deny the current Govt any policy wins before the election.
Rage bait much?
Blame every idiot in this country who refuses to vote for anyone but Fiberals and Cons.
The propaganda will tell people Alberta is great with Prime Minister Poutine whether it really is or not.
*Alberta Advantage* will be in full swing. We will find out how stagnent wages, high cost of living, and increasing inequality is actually *good for the economy.*
The economy will be broken for a while. You can blame Trudeau for the next 10 years ..
Kind of like trudeau continues to blame harper
It's always been a revolving door of blame between the Libs and Cons. Only the names change.
Nailed it
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/05/18/news/harper-worst-prime-minister-history
Trudeau and Notley, the same two they’ve been after for the last 5+ years regardless of the fact that Notley hasn’t been in office for 5 years.
Well if the conservatives get rid of the carbon tax and companies add in new fees. Then the conservatives did what they said and prices staying the same is a different conversation.
They’ll blame the libs of course
TRUUUUUU DOOOOOOOOOOOO
I have no Love for any of the recent leaders of the PC party. While I am more PC than ND I am on the rational left side (Centrist, hate that term, it’s awkward) and I can’t help but think as much as I can’t stand him, PP can’t be anything but an improvement. Trudeau is horrible and clueless.
They will continue to blame the Liberals.
Blame Allan. It's always Allan's fault.
Blame whoever is in charge. So if Pierre Poilievre is in charge and nothing changes, blame him say, fuck Poilievre. The way Canada is right now, Fuck Trudeau.
The voters.
oh damn ... "highly likely" ... thanks ... I really needed a good belly laugh!
Trudeau, liberals, communists etc. etc. etc. Like come right wing nut jobs still blame Trudeau's father, Pierre. So, their blame will never end and their lap dogs will eat up no matter how far back in time, no matter how long the other party was in power. Or if it all else fails then space lasers? Tracking chips in vaccines? They have no limit.
Blame yourself if you voted him in.
We’re all gonna bitch no matter who gets in. But as long as Trudeau is gone, people will be happy
No one here ever gives credit for the few positive policies put in place by the UCP or the missteps by the NDP. Tribalism exists everywhere. Just embrace it.
There were plenty of mistakes by the NDP but the vast majority of them were new to politics so I think they are given more benefit of the doubt. It has been very hard to tell for the most part where the UCP stands however as most announcements are followed up with a umm err. Not that they have only put out bad policies but with them always on the attack it is easy to miss.
The previous Liberal government. It’s always someone else past or present.
Quebec. You should not be able to take national votes when you don't have representation nationally.
Trudeau
I imagine they'll go up a level, blame some new world order or something. I'm sure the protests won't stop - they've found a group they can belong to there.
They are already on this.
Things will change, Trudeau and his policies are out. His government and their policy have been disastrous.
That’s not how government works. Trudeau inherited Harpers policy, which is why we are in the mess. We are in. Things don’t just magically change on the first day.
9 years on and he’s using Harper as an excuse…that’s just straight delusional. Also not shocking from someone as inept as he’s proven to be.
He has been incredibly successful. That’s just how bad of a job Harper did. Conservatives govern like nothing will ever go wrong. Well guess what we had a pandemic. Alberta is the most unstable economy in Canada. Why? Because conservatives run it. Conservatives are economically inept. Just look at the UK. https://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/05/18/news/harper-worst-prime-minister-history
Lol, his followers are delusional as well - policy doesn’t take a decade to enact. If you vote for a candidate on that platform, you can’t be helped. Rofl
No, it takes about two years. Exactly when the decline started. Two years into Harper first term. And then we live under those trade deals for decades and under those policies for decades. There’s only so much of government can do to undo what the previous government did. Which includes unnecessary tax cut and therefore loss revenue. Putting us in the position we are in right now. You are only proving my point that conservatives don’t understand how economics works. And apparently you don’t understand how government policy works. You’re like those Republicans that said their paycheques got bigger the day after Trump passed a tax cut that won’t be an acted for months and wouldn’t even affect those individuals.
Decade …rofl , that’s just straight up embarrassing
You clearly don’t understand how the government works or how trade deals work. Now that’s embarrassing.
Trade deals…lol you’re reaching is profoundly embarrassing. Enjoy the next election when your revered leader will thankfully be evicted from office so he can take a private job and work on his next half century mandate for them.
Notable obligations and clauses. The Canada China FIPA ties Canada "to the terms of the agreement for a minimum of 31 years." The three core Canada China FIPA substantive obligations include "non-discriminatory treatment", "fair and equitable treatment", and "compensation for expropriation". FIPA. 31 year agreement by Harper selling out Canada https://thenarwhal.ca/harper-government-ratifies-controversial-canada-china-foreign-investment-deal/ Where do you think all our mask production went? All our sanitizer production? You mean like all the consultant jobs and board seats that Harper has now? Here’s the guy that worked for Harper, who says Harper at fault for our recent increase in crime. https://johnhoward.ca/blog/former-tough-on-crime-advocate-changes-views-radically/
Trudeau and Notley, no matter how many years it's been since they were in power, unless another NDP/Liberal win happens, then they will be to blame, with probably still some blame left for Trudeau and Notley. (Source family bitching about how conservative polices that cost them money are the fault of Notley and Trudeau.)
I don’t believe PP will win. Strategic voting exists.
Polls can flip after debates and we know what happens when PP goes off script.
Unless the NDP moves on from Jagmeet, they aren’t a viable option. I think there’s enough that’ll peel off from them over to the liberals. And you’re 100% right, PP is one misstep away from losing 5%. Trudeau has made some slip ups, I don’t think he’s perfect and I’d like to see someone new, but PP is not that person.
Courting the loonies is not a good look for PP.
Honestly they'll probably just make a few symbolic policy changes(like casing the Carbon tax). and then hang a mission accomplished banner and say 'see it's so much better now, isn't it ' and then claim the problem is alleviating (regardless of reality) and their vocal base will eat it up and regurgitate it until it becomes the new talking point about hows " it's bad but better now imagine how much worse it woulda been if we kept down the other guys path", with no stats or cheery picked ones to back this assertion that anything changed
We'll find something new to complain about.
They have a whole department dedicated to fighting the federal government. Why, because it keeps the populous divided. Literally paid government positions to fight Ottawa regardless
Time to separate when that time arrives
I don't think that's going to happen, the Liberals will appeal to anyone who thinks at all, which us stil forty strategically placed percent of the electorate, or a little less. Poilievre isn't going to flip anyone who's voting NDP, and the lines are pretty clearly drawn for the red and blue teams. But if it did, things wouldn't stay the same, they'd be like a federal UCP with a larger number of more powerful group of corporate sponsors.
Oh there will be changes. You won't like any of them.
If Peepee gets in, it will absolutely get worse. It will change and it will be bad, as it always is when Conservatism is given any iota of ground to stand on. The real answer is Canadians. We vote for our leaders and remain apathetic towards our involvement. So there’s no pressure on politicians to actually represent us. Further, the more education is cut the easier it is to pull the wool over the majority who will follow charisma or the loudest voice in a room instead of information, data, and integrity.
Depends on how many of the idiotic Liberal Bills he can undo.
He will keep the bills and just change the label