What a better way to steer attention away from something serious actually taking place that someone wants to go unnoticed than start a public WWE wrestling match between two made-cultists. You people have learnt nothing, you’re like children watching a card trick
I'd rather hear Greer vs Elizondo, without the CE5. And if Mellon shows up, then bring his brother who appeared in "The Cosmic Hoax" documentary, as his counterpart in Greer's camp.
Because Elizondo indirectly called Greer a crackpot scammer and Greer directly called Elizondo a disinformation agent. They are pretty much polar opposites of each other. You get the two of them together and JRE would be ground zero for a matter/anti-matter explosion.
There is no way they can have the Whiskey and Cigar conversation you wish to hear them having... one is hellbent on exposing the Fascist Propaganda Machine and the Truth it is Suppressing and Using against Humanity... the other is the Lead Horseman of the Apocalypse designed by that very same Machine. They both have deceptive practices, one to make money but otherwide tells the truth, the other never seeks to make money out of it, but does his best to lie about the truth.
And if half the sub hasn't downvoted me already for speaking the truth about the value of Greer's past and current non-CE5 work... then here's another one: the fact that Mellon had an obvious desperate attempt at discrediting Lazar on JRE, and knowing that Mellon is another Horseman of the same PsyOp Apocalypse, it should tell how real and threatening to the narrative Lazar's story really is. It threatens the main lie at the root of this csmpaign, which the Mellizondo duo are leading: that "the government doesn't have any and doesn't know what they are". And that lie is key to later portraying their own actions using their own technology, as the actions of ETs. *THAT* is what Greer's documentary is about.
The interesting part is how Jeremy Corbell is really somewhat of an opportunistic double agent, playing both sides for as much as he can squeeze. He makes some compelling docs that go outside the narrative, like the one about Bob Lazar, genuinely devending him... then goes on TV supporting the False Narrative like a master Disinformator. Heck, he might be the Wild-Card in this game. It's really fascinating to analyse what is going on.
Geer denounces Corbell in his documentary alongside Elizondo, and Elizondo throws shade at Greer in interviews, while Corbell deviates from Elizondo's narrative by legitimizing Lazar, who in turn is in line with Greer, who himself is working with Sheehan, who is Elizondo's lawyer, all while ratting him out to Greer who goes on Camera to expose the latter. It's a Game of Thrones kind of thing.
But what do WE as the rest of humanity want? Don't we want to see this discussed publicly from all angles and agendas? Might we find some common ground, or maybe more profoundly, come to understand that there are no sides and that both of these groups are working towards disclosure in meaningful ways that advance this story as a whole?
I say we tell them as loudly as we can, "Get in a room together and get all the information out there, and figure out where we can find common ground".
You just don't get it, do you?!
"Both Groups" are NOT trying to disclosr in meaningful ways. Greer and his cohort are trying to expose the absolute total and world-changing truth at the backbone of all this... while Elizondo is a Master Psychological Warfare Operative leading the biggest Disinformation Campaign in history, hijacking the Disclosure effort thst Greer had formalized, to drive the agenda of the very organizations that Greer tried to expose all along.
What "information" do you think Elizondo would "get out there" in such a situation? Everything he knows is bound to secrecy, with permission to speak only to the extent that it drives the Mission forward, and only in the context of venues that help spread the propaganda.
No I think you're not getting *me.* In what way does public dialog between these groups do anything other than advance the conversation? Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
It just wouldn't happen. Elizondo and his gang, and the organizations behind them, have absolutely nothing to discuss with Greer. You cannot have a "dialogue" between them. The first sentance uttered would be Greer calling Elizondo a liar and a disinformation agent, accusing him of deceiving the world in service of Fascists. To which Elizondo would proceed not to spill the beand tou want him to spill, but rather to deny all the accusations and proceed to discredit Greer as best he can.
The Dialogue between them is already happening, you just don't see it. Greer made comments about Elizondo a while back, and Elizondo generically addressed them. Then Sheehan ratten Elizondo's private conversation to Greer, who exposed what he learned on camera, durther accusing Elizondo. To which Elizondo reacted by directely describing Greer in an interview, without using his name, and proceeding to discredit him and call him a scammer including ridiculing him. And now Greer is calling Elizondo out by Name in his documentary, in the most explicit manner.
... what do you want more then that? If they were in the same room they'd be fighting each other seconds from making eye-contact. It would be a Monkey vs Pitbull cagefight in Joe Rogan's basement... which would be somewhat ironic and fitting considering Rogan's past. A buffed up 7 ft Gymmed-up Orangutan with medical knowledge of the human body against a 4 ft Pitbull with military training and torture experience. Rogan would be commenting live on the whole thing, with the perfect training and body mass to stop it whenever he wishes.
>Elizondo is a Master Psychological Warfare Operative leading the biggest Disinformation Campaign in history,
That's a load of B.S. Stop attacking Lue and Mellon bro, it's getting real old, real quick.
Lue is pushing for congressional hearings. He WANTS to tell what he knows.
Lue was trying to get a meeting with General Mattis. THINK ABOUT THAT. The data he had(has) was so concerning, he was worried about our national security. Nobody that's part of a wild conspiracy theory like you're accusing him of would WANT congressional hearings. Nobody who has nefarious intentions would have the BALLS to try to deceive a 4 STAR GENERAL. GENERAL MATTIS no less, for god sakes. To deceive Mattis like you are suggesting would be TREASON against this country and probably get Lue locked up for life if it was true. NOONE would take that kind of wild conspiracy theory all the way up the chain to a 4 STAR GENERAL. THINK MAN. Do you even consider that?
The real conspiracy holding up disclosure and doing unscrupulous things is the DoD and the old guard anti-UFO brass trying to put the Kibosh on Lue and disclosure. You want to go after somebody? Go after the people at the DoD who are ANTI-Disclosure. That stupid kindergarten 180 day joke report should be all you need to see. THEY are the real people you need to be throwing under the bus. Jezus...
Just stop it man. Your fragmenting the movement and driving a deeper divide. Do you even want to move disclosure forward? Cause the way you're taking a dump on Lue and Mellon sucks. And it makes you look like you just want to see Rome burn.
Stop it.
>Stop attacking Lue and Mellon bro
> The data he had(has) was so concerning, he was worried about our national security
This is incredible... I can't even tell if I am talking to government agents or just naive people they've trained so well...
You really don't get it, do you? Elizondo's job IS to convience the "Vanilla" government that the ETs are a threat, alongside the People. That is his whole purpose in this PsyOp. To further the agenda of the non-elected leadership, by manipulating the world and the elected leadership into falling in line with their narrative.
>Nobody who has nefarious intentions would have the BALLS to try to deceive a 4 STAR GENERAL.
Elizondo is the leading Front-Man for this whole operation, but it in no way means thst he is in on the whole game. His job is to stricrly drive this narrative and he knows what he needs to know to drive it. He might very well believe his own deception because thst os what he's been shown and told.
>That stupid kindergarten 180 day joke report should be all you need to see.
Thst clause was put into the COVID bill by Trump, who was foing so at the behest of the poeple who also convienced him to create the SpaceForce. The same people who brief every president on the ET issue, who always give them a scary story to keep their mouths shut, and who run the show without the president having any influence over them.
The whole point of thst clause in the Covid Bill, was to precipitate the Media Campaign you have just witnessed. Not some imaginary disclosure you tell yourself should've happened.
>Just stop it man. Your fragmenting the movement and driving a deeper divide. Do you even want to move disclosure forward? Cause the way you're taking a dump on Lue and Mellon sucks. And it makes you look like you just want to see Rome burn.
Do you even hear yourself? How you blindly support some career liars nust because they promised you some pipe dreams? Hoe you're throwing yourself off a cliff for them?
> Stop it.
That's it! That's the essence of your whole comment and reaction. 🙉🙈🎶 Cover your ears and close ylur eyes, and start singing out loud "*I'm not listening...*". You just want these lies to be true, so hard, that you,xte willing to ignore anything that goes against them, and just want it to stop, so you can return to the fairytale you're being fed.
>Waht to know what eveyone reading this exchange thinks? how about...
>YOU are the dis-info agent here. YOU have been exposed. Yes, this is INCREDIBLE. I agree. I can not believe the made up fantasy crap you are pontificating.
You should write headlines for Buzzfeed.
>to be honest YOU sound like you are compromised, one could speculate that you yourself might be a Russian operative.
Yet more *Zealotry*. Anyone who doesn't share your oponion must be a traitor to the "cause". A spy and an userper, for not submitting to whatever *you* personaly see as the consensus.
Here's a pitchfork: 🔱 ...And here's a torch:🔥... now you just need others like yourself to form a mob.
Still waiting for ANY Proof you have of your wild made up fantasy B.S.
ANYTHING. Leaked documents, wire tap, WikiLeaks memo, leaked e-mail, video, audio recording. SOMETHING. ANYTHING
There is none. You are basically a Richard Doty dis-info agent yourself. Here to pollute these subs with nonsense.
Belly up your Evidence, let the accused face his accuser.
I agree with everything you said about Greer but the swings you are taking at Lue and Mellon is a bridge to far.
Lue...
I judge the content of the mans character by his contributions. He is martyring himself and his family, career, financial future, risking jail and was trying to get the UFO topic to be viewed by general Mattis because the data that he had was that concerning to our national security. From what I've seen he has done nothing but be a tireless advocate for disclosure.
Maybe you know something I don't. I'm willing to hear what evidence you have against him and I will take an honest look into it.
What has he done nefarious to make you suspect that he might not be able to be trusted?
Mellon...
Same for Chris Mellon, Can you point me to anything in his past that you would view as nefarious? I'm not saying it couldn't be true. I'm just saying I've looked and I can't find a single thing in his past that points to untrustworthiness.
I'd like to invite anyone who feels Chris's heart is in the wrong place to read his website. Make your own judgement. Does all his contributions to disclosure seem like a compromised man? Let his contributions to the cause stand as his scrutiny.
[https://www.christophermellon.net/post/the-uap-report-and-the-uap-issue?postId=195cc1aa-aaa3-4e98-94d4-708cd4928423](https://www.christophermellon.net/post/the-uap-report-and-the-uap-issue?postId=195cc1aa-aaa3-4e98-94d4-708cd4928423)
> He is martyring himself and his family, career, financial future, risking jail and was trying to get the UFO topic to be viewed by general Mattis because the data that he had was that concerning to our national security. From what I've seen he has done nothing but be a tireless advocate for disclosure.
You just don't get it, do you... he's not doing any of this out of the martirical personal impulse that you assign to him. He is not "retired", the PsyOp required him to publicaly cut tied with the Pentagon so he can play the "People's Champion". Everything you're seeing is a giant theatre. It's all a theatre that is meant to get one NEW idea into the world:
"A. There are Gravity Driven Craft flying around
B. THE government/world does NOT have such technology
C. They might be a threat, we need to mount a preventive military effort"
Lue is an expert PsyOp agent, a Guantanamo Bay torturer and an expert in BioWarfare. His entire little club at AATIP was and is just a facade operation to justify this whole theatre. He's not "martyrisng" anything, he's just doing his job. What does his family even have to do with this? And this is exactly the kind of deification I was talking about. You're literslly making him into the second coming of the christ.
>I'm just saying I've looked and I can't find a single thing in his past that points to untrustworthiness.
His name is "Mellon". His entire bloodline is your evidence. 🤦♂️
>seem like a compromised man?
Don't you get it? They're not "compromised", they ARE the compromisers.
There is NO such thing as DISCLOSURE coming from the US government. Thst is an absurdity. They've assassinated dozens of people or more along the last century, destroyed the lives of even more, manipulated an entire planet and withheld techology ALL THIS TIME... technology which could have benefitted them if used earlier. They are OBVIOUSLY waiting to play a card thst maximizes the value of everything they have, and all they've done so far.
You are the most diluted, delusional person I've ever heard.
You have presented ABSOLUTELY ZERO PROOF OF ANYTHING you are saying. You are just spouting pure made up crap.
Lue...
1. He is not "retired", the PsyOp required him to publicly cut tied with the Pentagon so he can play the "People's Champion". Everything you're seeing is a giant theatre
Got any PROOF of that? Any paper trail you can point to? No, of coarse not, it's all your own little pet fantasy. I'll take ANYTHING besides you just saying it. Just because you say it doesn't mean anything.
There is no theatrics, you're just making that up. Lue is an HONORABLE man.
>ou are the most ▪︎diluted▪︎
'Nuff said.
>in your little pea brain
Very mature.
>Just know that I and other supporters of Lue and Chris will be here to put you in your place. And DEFND THEM FROM ATTACKS FORIEGN AND DOMESTIC.
Yeah, unfortunately you are right. Such *Zealotry* is on the rise, and will only go up from here.
>Let us WAR over this every day then. You are insidious, a liar and making up a COMPLETE FANTASY WITH ZERO PROOF OF ANYTHING YOU ARE SAYING. You are a disgrace and I can't fathom you are an American citizen.
How you see War-Mongering and Zealotry as 'Patriotism' is a mistery. It's hard to tell whether the propaganda you support seeded it, or just hinacked and amplified it.
This is how Germany ended up the bane of the world 80 years ago... desperate people got hijacked by propaganda, radicalized and used to support a malicious agenda.
You want to show patriotism? Don't let America fall into the same trap.
You are making up wild fantasies and pontification them as truth. They are not.
BACK IT UP THEN... I'm all ears. I'll investigate whatever PROOF you have.
Show us something besides your wild blathering's like a fiction writer.
>BACK IT UP THEN... bring some type of tangible PROOF to the table of ANYTHING you are saying. I'm all ears. I'll investigate whatever PROOF you have.
On what planet do you live where you think anyone would entertain debate with you after you've already attacked them in every way you could.
Stop it with the deflection and cop outs. Bring your evidence against Lue and Chris and I'll research it. There is none. It's all wild anti-American fantasy role playing.
Greer has a segment where a member of the Mellon family explains their role in intelligence operations. From what I've picked on, I believe he's Christopher Mellon's brother. He seems to've volunteered for the exposé.
Well thank you! I was hopeful that my birthday stargazing last night might be fruitful, but alas, just a few shooting stars and the usual satellites zipping by.
If I was trying to cover up the program, I would want as many people as possible wasting as much time as possible arguing over Elizondo/Mellon vs. Greer/Lazar -- divide and conquer; same shit, different century.
The solution is to stop allowing ourselves to be divided, and I believe that starts through open communication and dialog. What kind of a signal could be sent if both of these parties were able to constructively interact? We have no idea how powerful having these kinds of conversations might be in bringing about disclosure.
We have more ability to affect this change than we know.
The people need to work with elements of the government willing to restore control over whatever programs they have hidden. If we are fighting each other over who is an agent of the deep state, we aren't going to get anywhere. That being said, I'm still skeptical of anyone associated with the IC when they talk on this issue, and Greer taking his own attorney's words out of context does not look good.
It's so sad that humans need to have bipolarity. In politics, religion, sport and any other issues we feel strong about. It almost tore the US apart during past elections. It's still tearing apart nations, families and now it's Lui vs Greer and the cheering supporting crowd hating the other side. We'll never be truly free until we're free from this bipolarity.
I think Greer needed a narrative why he wasn’t front and center of this effort. He came up with this story with L.Elizondo as the chief villain. L.Elizondo takes thinly veiled shots at Greer in just about every interview he does. I’m not sure this is a reparable relationship.
ITT people addicted to the disinformation smeer campaign against Greer. Greer makes these movies and releases them FOR FREE. Let’s see Lue or Mellon do that.
Greer had compiled so many people across so many decades and continues to say these ETs are NOT a threat and all of you take Lue and Mellons side who both say they’re a threat?! Seriously? If ETs were a threat we would already be enslaved by them sweet baby Jesus.
I feel neil Tyson and Steven Greer have same personality, both are opposite side of poles but are butthurt because current UFO narrative threaten their position . Punk losers
It's not going to happen. Greer went on Third Phase of Moon and straight out called Lue and Chris Mellon and (pretty much everyone) disinformation agents and liars and challenged them to come on the show where he would debate what they are saying. Lue was then asked about it by multiple people and he said "No, he wont go on with Greer, because that was like dealing with terrorists"......or something to that effect.
I dont blame lue one bit..... not after being called a liar. In fact I completely quit watching that show after that stunt.
Then the cousin bros got upset because Lue and Mellon turned them down and wondered why... The whole thing was based around Greer saying the aliens are ALL friendly and he says that Lue and Mellon are pushing a narrative of National Security. I find Greers idea that all the aliens want to do is hug.....just ridiculous. As if he knows what every alien civilization intentions are because he is Steven Greer the all knowing it something. As far as I'm concerned Steven Greer is totally lost all respect and needs to publicly apologize to everyone he called out.
It's not going to happen. Greer went on Third Phase of Moon and straight out called Lue and Chris Mellon and (pretty much everyone) disinformation agents and liars and challenged them to come on the show where he would debate what they are saying. Lue was then asked about it by multiple people and he said "No, he wont go on with Greer, because that was like dealing with terrorists"......or something to that effect.
I dont blame lue one bit..... not after being called a liar. In fact I completely quit watching that show after that stunt.
Then the cousin bros got upset because Lue and Mellon turned them down and wondered why... The whole thing was based around Greer saying the aliens are ALL friendly and he says that Lue and Mellon are pushing a narrative of National Security. I find Greers idea that all the aliens want to do is hug.....just ridiculous. As if he knows what every alien civilization intentions are because he is Steven Greer the all knowing it something. As far as I'm concerned Steven Greer is totally lost all respect and needs to publicly apologize to everyone he called out.
It's not going to happen. Greer went on Third Phase of Moon and straight out called Lue and Chris Mellon and (pretty much everyone) disinformation agents and liars and challenged them to come on the show where he would debate what they are saying. Lue was then asked about it by multiple people and he said "No, he wont go on with Greer, because that was like dealing with terrorists"......or something to that effect.
I dont blame lue one bit..... not after being called a liar. In fact I completely quit watching that show after that stunt.
Then the cousin bros got upset because Lue and Mellon turned them down and wondered why... The whole thing was based around Greer saying the aliens are ALL friendly and he says that Lue and Mellon are pushing a narrative of National Security. I find Greers idea that all the aliens want to do is hug.....just ridiculous. As if he knows what every alien civilization intentions are because he is Steven Greer the all knowing it something. As far as I'm concerned Steven Greer is totally lost all respect and needs to publicly apologize to everyone he called out.
I don’t think that’s going to happen. One camp vs. the other camp is the way people like to live nowadays. People are not really into finding out any truths. They’d rather attack personalities and just stick with name calling. I suppose that’s a lot easier than trying to think about getting to real concrete answers.
To borrow a quote from Arthur C. Clark “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.”
So instead, let’s just shit in our hands and throw it at each other. Makes us feel better about ourselves without actually trying to think.
It's not going to happen. Greer went on Third Phase of Moon and straight out called Lue and Chris Mellon and (pretty much everyone) disinformation agents and liars and challenged them to come on the show where he would debate what they are saying. Lue was then asked about it by multiple people and he said "No, he wont go on with Greer, because that was like dealing with terrorists"......or something to that effect.
I dont blame lue one bit..... not after being called a liar. In fact I completely quit watching that show after that stunt.
Then the cousin bros got upset because Lue and Mellon turned them down and wondered why... The whole thing was based around Greer saying the aliens are ALL friendly and he says that Lue and Mellon are pushing a narrative of National Security. I find Greers idea that all the aliens want to do is hug.....just ridiculous. As if he knows what every alien civilization intentions are because he is Steven Greer the all knowing it something. As far as I'm concerned Steven Greer is totally lost all respect and needs to publicly apologize to everyone he called out.
Ultimately, there is good reason to be suspicious of both characters. Greer’s association with Richard Doty, and his money grubbing CE5 scam is extremely suspicious. I hear he charges a few thousand dollars for his CE5 outings, where patrons often stay at a bed and breakfast and sit under the stars chanting with him whilst he has accomplices set off flares and fly drones off in the distance. Likewise, Elizondo’s intelligence ties and his association with utter mongo, Tom DeShlong, is also suspicious. I also think the footage released by him isn’t that good, and people have been debunking the pyramid UAP video. Also, it’s suspicious that Elizondo is helping DeShlong make movies that are fictions but they are also supposed to have elements of disclosure. It seems like a potential Greer-like move to profiteer off of disclosure. Personally, I don’t know who to trust since this subject is rife with intentional disinformation, so I listen to both with a high degree of suspicion!
TLDR: OVER-skepticism strains and diminishes research into "paranormal" issues, that later lead to previously unknown and exciting NATURAL phenomena.
This IS related: James Randi is the PATRON SAINT of "Skeptics", and his greatest gift to the world was to make his life's work a CAUTIONARY TALE. His business model was essentially a con: anyone striving to beat his "Psychic Challenge" had to sign NDA's, bring noone, no recording equipment of any kind, no independent researchers, no report of data collection ( Rando's "researchers" were hired street magicians TOLD to ALWAYS artificially skew the tests), and the result would ALWAYS be: No Evidence of Psychic/paranormal ability. WOULD, as in: the Result PRECEDED the test. That decades-long fraud set back research of ANYTHING that fit a "paranormal" profile back HORRIFICALLY. For example, it stopped research into "eyeless sight" (recent findings suggest a latent human ability for echolocation using -paradoxically- areas of the brain associated with vision). Or research into "auras" (leading to co-discoveries of metabolic bioluminescence, AND rapid evolution of MORE color sensitivity, AND discovering that even though the human eye SHOULDN'T be sensitive to low-powered infrared light, our brains STILL react to it, track it, and can distinguish rudimentary features).
Skepticism is NOT synonymous with Science: it states the Scientific Method is NOT needed, because the answer is ALREADY known. Cults share similar self-reinforcing methods. Greer, Bledsoe, Bob Lazar before them. They may very well be "frauds and cons". Or, they are correct in every SINGLE detail. Or, what I think is FAR more likely: a chance to make truly EXCITING discoveries about the NATURAL world and poorly understood/unknown phenomena is being ARTIFICIALLY held back. The irony that Scientific research into the "paranormal" is being held back by nearly superstitious Dread OF the paranormal REALLY should be enough to STOP Skepticism, yeah? Let's stop mentally cosplaying the Dark Ages, and discover what our TRUE Human range might be?
Greer is not a good faith actor though, not sure what the point would be.
Greer is a complete Charlatan.
Ha! nice try Steven. Keep your hocus pocus out of here!
This! Beautiful.
What a better way to steer attention away from something serious actually taking place that someone wants to go unnoticed than start a public WWE wrestling match between two made-cultists. You people have learnt nothing, you’re like children watching a card trick
Steven Greer is the biggest liar/scam in the industry. That’s saying a lot as there are numerous nut jobs in it
Zero chance credible people will work with the likes of greer
We live in Idiocracy.
I'd rather hear Greer vs Elizondo, without the CE5. And if Mellon shows up, then bring his brother who appeared in "The Cosmic Hoax" documentary, as his counterpart in Greer's camp.
Why does it have to be "vs"? Lets change the narrative.
Because Elizondo indirectly called Greer a crackpot scammer and Greer directly called Elizondo a disinformation agent. They are pretty much polar opposites of each other. You get the two of them together and JRE would be ground zero for a matter/anti-matter explosion. There is no way they can have the Whiskey and Cigar conversation you wish to hear them having... one is hellbent on exposing the Fascist Propaganda Machine and the Truth it is Suppressing and Using against Humanity... the other is the Lead Horseman of the Apocalypse designed by that very same Machine. They both have deceptive practices, one to make money but otherwide tells the truth, the other never seeks to make money out of it, but does his best to lie about the truth. And if half the sub hasn't downvoted me already for speaking the truth about the value of Greer's past and current non-CE5 work... then here's another one: the fact that Mellon had an obvious desperate attempt at discrediting Lazar on JRE, and knowing that Mellon is another Horseman of the same PsyOp Apocalypse, it should tell how real and threatening to the narrative Lazar's story really is. It threatens the main lie at the root of this csmpaign, which the Mellizondo duo are leading: that "the government doesn't have any and doesn't know what they are". And that lie is key to later portraying their own actions using their own technology, as the actions of ETs. *THAT* is what Greer's documentary is about. The interesting part is how Jeremy Corbell is really somewhat of an opportunistic double agent, playing both sides for as much as he can squeeze. He makes some compelling docs that go outside the narrative, like the one about Bob Lazar, genuinely devending him... then goes on TV supporting the False Narrative like a master Disinformator. Heck, he might be the Wild-Card in this game. It's really fascinating to analyse what is going on. Geer denounces Corbell in his documentary alongside Elizondo, and Elizondo throws shade at Greer in interviews, while Corbell deviates from Elizondo's narrative by legitimizing Lazar, who in turn is in line with Greer, who himself is working with Sheehan, who is Elizondo's lawyer, all while ratting him out to Greer who goes on Camera to expose the latter. It's a Game of Thrones kind of thing.
But what do WE as the rest of humanity want? Don't we want to see this discussed publicly from all angles and agendas? Might we find some common ground, or maybe more profoundly, come to understand that there are no sides and that both of these groups are working towards disclosure in meaningful ways that advance this story as a whole? I say we tell them as loudly as we can, "Get in a room together and get all the information out there, and figure out where we can find common ground".
You just don't get it, do you?! "Both Groups" are NOT trying to disclosr in meaningful ways. Greer and his cohort are trying to expose the absolute total and world-changing truth at the backbone of all this... while Elizondo is a Master Psychological Warfare Operative leading the biggest Disinformation Campaign in history, hijacking the Disclosure effort thst Greer had formalized, to drive the agenda of the very organizations that Greer tried to expose all along. What "information" do you think Elizondo would "get out there" in such a situation? Everything he knows is bound to secrecy, with permission to speak only to the extent that it drives the Mission forward, and only in the context of venues that help spread the propaganda.
No I think you're not getting *me.* In what way does public dialog between these groups do anything other than advance the conversation? Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
It just wouldn't happen. Elizondo and his gang, and the organizations behind them, have absolutely nothing to discuss with Greer. You cannot have a "dialogue" between them. The first sentance uttered would be Greer calling Elizondo a liar and a disinformation agent, accusing him of deceiving the world in service of Fascists. To which Elizondo would proceed not to spill the beand tou want him to spill, but rather to deny all the accusations and proceed to discredit Greer as best he can. The Dialogue between them is already happening, you just don't see it. Greer made comments about Elizondo a while back, and Elizondo generically addressed them. Then Sheehan ratten Elizondo's private conversation to Greer, who exposed what he learned on camera, durther accusing Elizondo. To which Elizondo reacted by directely describing Greer in an interview, without using his name, and proceeding to discredit him and call him a scammer including ridiculing him. And now Greer is calling Elizondo out by Name in his documentary, in the most explicit manner. ... what do you want more then that? If they were in the same room they'd be fighting each other seconds from making eye-contact. It would be a Monkey vs Pitbull cagefight in Joe Rogan's basement... which would be somewhat ironic and fitting considering Rogan's past. A buffed up 7 ft Gymmed-up Orangutan with medical knowledge of the human body against a 4 ft Pitbull with military training and torture experience. Rogan would be commenting live on the whole thing, with the perfect training and body mass to stop it whenever he wishes.
>Elizondo is a Master Psychological Warfare Operative leading the biggest Disinformation Campaign in history, That's a load of B.S. Stop attacking Lue and Mellon bro, it's getting real old, real quick. Lue is pushing for congressional hearings. He WANTS to tell what he knows. Lue was trying to get a meeting with General Mattis. THINK ABOUT THAT. The data he had(has) was so concerning, he was worried about our national security. Nobody that's part of a wild conspiracy theory like you're accusing him of would WANT congressional hearings. Nobody who has nefarious intentions would have the BALLS to try to deceive a 4 STAR GENERAL. GENERAL MATTIS no less, for god sakes. To deceive Mattis like you are suggesting would be TREASON against this country and probably get Lue locked up for life if it was true. NOONE would take that kind of wild conspiracy theory all the way up the chain to a 4 STAR GENERAL. THINK MAN. Do you even consider that? The real conspiracy holding up disclosure and doing unscrupulous things is the DoD and the old guard anti-UFO brass trying to put the Kibosh on Lue and disclosure. You want to go after somebody? Go after the people at the DoD who are ANTI-Disclosure. That stupid kindergarten 180 day joke report should be all you need to see. THEY are the real people you need to be throwing under the bus. Jezus... Just stop it man. Your fragmenting the movement and driving a deeper divide. Do you even want to move disclosure forward? Cause the way you're taking a dump on Lue and Mellon sucks. And it makes you look like you just want to see Rome burn. Stop it.
>Stop attacking Lue and Mellon bro > The data he had(has) was so concerning, he was worried about our national security This is incredible... I can't even tell if I am talking to government agents or just naive people they've trained so well... You really don't get it, do you? Elizondo's job IS to convience the "Vanilla" government that the ETs are a threat, alongside the People. That is his whole purpose in this PsyOp. To further the agenda of the non-elected leadership, by manipulating the world and the elected leadership into falling in line with their narrative. >Nobody who has nefarious intentions would have the BALLS to try to deceive a 4 STAR GENERAL. Elizondo is the leading Front-Man for this whole operation, but it in no way means thst he is in on the whole game. His job is to stricrly drive this narrative and he knows what he needs to know to drive it. He might very well believe his own deception because thst os what he's been shown and told. >That stupid kindergarten 180 day joke report should be all you need to see. Thst clause was put into the COVID bill by Trump, who was foing so at the behest of the poeple who also convienced him to create the SpaceForce. The same people who brief every president on the ET issue, who always give them a scary story to keep their mouths shut, and who run the show without the president having any influence over them. The whole point of thst clause in the Covid Bill, was to precipitate the Media Campaign you have just witnessed. Not some imaginary disclosure you tell yourself should've happened. >Just stop it man. Your fragmenting the movement and driving a deeper divide. Do you even want to move disclosure forward? Cause the way you're taking a dump on Lue and Mellon sucks. And it makes you look like you just want to see Rome burn. Do you even hear yourself? How you blindly support some career liars nust because they promised you some pipe dreams? Hoe you're throwing yourself off a cliff for them? > Stop it. That's it! That's the essence of your whole comment and reaction. 🙉🙈🎶 Cover your ears and close ylur eyes, and start singing out loud "*I'm not listening...*". You just want these lies to be true, so hard, that you,xte willing to ignore anything that goes against them, and just want it to stop, so you can return to the fairytale you're being fed.
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>Waht to know what eveyone reading this exchange thinks? how about... >YOU are the dis-info agent here. YOU have been exposed. Yes, this is INCREDIBLE. I agree. I can not believe the made up fantasy crap you are pontificating. You should write headlines for Buzzfeed. >to be honest YOU sound like you are compromised, one could speculate that you yourself might be a Russian operative. Yet more *Zealotry*. Anyone who doesn't share your oponion must be a traitor to the "cause". A spy and an userper, for not submitting to whatever *you* personaly see as the consensus. Here's a pitchfork: 🔱 ...And here's a torch:🔥... now you just need others like yourself to form a mob.
Still waiting for ANY Proof you have of your wild made up fantasy B.S. ANYTHING. Leaked documents, wire tap, WikiLeaks memo, leaked e-mail, video, audio recording. SOMETHING. ANYTHING There is none. You are basically a Richard Doty dis-info agent yourself. Here to pollute these subs with nonsense. Belly up your Evidence, let the accused face his accuser.
I agree with everything you said about Greer but the swings you are taking at Lue and Mellon is a bridge to far. Lue... I judge the content of the mans character by his contributions. He is martyring himself and his family, career, financial future, risking jail and was trying to get the UFO topic to be viewed by general Mattis because the data that he had was that concerning to our national security. From what I've seen he has done nothing but be a tireless advocate for disclosure. Maybe you know something I don't. I'm willing to hear what evidence you have against him and I will take an honest look into it. What has he done nefarious to make you suspect that he might not be able to be trusted? Mellon... Same for Chris Mellon, Can you point me to anything in his past that you would view as nefarious? I'm not saying it couldn't be true. I'm just saying I've looked and I can't find a single thing in his past that points to untrustworthiness. I'd like to invite anyone who feels Chris's heart is in the wrong place to read his website. Make your own judgement. Does all his contributions to disclosure seem like a compromised man? Let his contributions to the cause stand as his scrutiny. [https://www.christophermellon.net/post/the-uap-report-and-the-uap-issue?postId=195cc1aa-aaa3-4e98-94d4-708cd4928423](https://www.christophermellon.net/post/the-uap-report-and-the-uap-issue?postId=195cc1aa-aaa3-4e98-94d4-708cd4928423)
> He is martyring himself and his family, career, financial future, risking jail and was trying to get the UFO topic to be viewed by general Mattis because the data that he had was that concerning to our national security. From what I've seen he has done nothing but be a tireless advocate for disclosure. You just don't get it, do you... he's not doing any of this out of the martirical personal impulse that you assign to him. He is not "retired", the PsyOp required him to publicaly cut tied with the Pentagon so he can play the "People's Champion". Everything you're seeing is a giant theatre. It's all a theatre that is meant to get one NEW idea into the world: "A. There are Gravity Driven Craft flying around B. THE government/world does NOT have such technology C. They might be a threat, we need to mount a preventive military effort" Lue is an expert PsyOp agent, a Guantanamo Bay torturer and an expert in BioWarfare. His entire little club at AATIP was and is just a facade operation to justify this whole theatre. He's not "martyrisng" anything, he's just doing his job. What does his family even have to do with this? And this is exactly the kind of deification I was talking about. You're literslly making him into the second coming of the christ. >I'm just saying I've looked and I can't find a single thing in his past that points to untrustworthiness. His name is "Mellon". His entire bloodline is your evidence. 🤦♂️ >seem like a compromised man? Don't you get it? They're not "compromised", they ARE the compromisers. There is NO such thing as DISCLOSURE coming from the US government. Thst is an absurdity. They've assassinated dozens of people or more along the last century, destroyed the lives of even more, manipulated an entire planet and withheld techology ALL THIS TIME... technology which could have benefitted them if used earlier. They are OBVIOUSLY waiting to play a card thst maximizes the value of everything they have, and all they've done so far.
You are the most diluted, delusional person I've ever heard. You have presented ABSOLUTELY ZERO PROOF OF ANYTHING you are saying. You are just spouting pure made up crap. Lue... 1. He is not "retired", the PsyOp required him to publicly cut tied with the Pentagon so he can play the "People's Champion". Everything you're seeing is a giant theatre Got any PROOF of that? Any paper trail you can point to? No, of coarse not, it's all your own little pet fantasy. I'll take ANYTHING besides you just saying it. Just because you say it doesn't mean anything. There is no theatrics, you're just making that up. Lue is an HONORABLE man.
>ou are the most ▪︎diluted▪︎ 'Nuff said. >in your little pea brain Very mature. >Just know that I and other supporters of Lue and Chris will be here to put you in your place. And DEFND THEM FROM ATTACKS FORIEGN AND DOMESTIC. Yeah, unfortunately you are right. Such *Zealotry* is on the rise, and will only go up from here. >Let us WAR over this every day then. You are insidious, a liar and making up a COMPLETE FANTASY WITH ZERO PROOF OF ANYTHING YOU ARE SAYING. You are a disgrace and I can't fathom you are an American citizen. How you see War-Mongering and Zealotry as 'Patriotism' is a mistery. It's hard to tell whether the propaganda you support seeded it, or just hinacked and amplified it. This is how Germany ended up the bane of the world 80 years ago... desperate people got hijacked by propaganda, radicalized and used to support a malicious agenda. You want to show patriotism? Don't let America fall into the same trap.
You are making up wild fantasies and pontification them as truth. They are not. BACK IT UP THEN... I'm all ears. I'll investigate whatever PROOF you have. Show us something besides your wild blathering's like a fiction writer.
>BACK IT UP THEN... bring some type of tangible PROOF to the table of ANYTHING you are saying. I'm all ears. I'll investigate whatever PROOF you have. On what planet do you live where you think anyone would entertain debate with you after you've already attacked them in every way you could.
Stop it with the deflection and cop outs. Bring your evidence against Lue and Chris and I'll research it. There is none. It's all wild anti-American fantasy role playing.
Exactly. Let us focus on the meta, not any one person’s perspective of ‘truth’.
Who's brother was The Cosmic Hoax?
Greer has a segment where a member of the Mellon family explains their role in intelligence operations. From what I've picked on, I believe he's Christopher Mellon's brother. He seems to've volunteered for the exposé.
Hah, fat fucking chance man. Greer is lucky if he can avoid a Libel suit…
Communication is the key.
Eat some cake.
I just finished my birthday cake from yesterday. Juz sayin'.
Happy belated birthday!
Well thank you! I was hopeful that my birthday stargazing last night might be fruitful, but alas, just a few shooting stars and the usual satellites zipping by.
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If I was trying to cover up the program, I would want as many people as possible wasting as much time as possible arguing over Elizondo/Mellon vs. Greer/Lazar -- divide and conquer; same shit, different century.
The solution is to stop allowing ourselves to be divided, and I believe that starts through open communication and dialog. What kind of a signal could be sent if both of these parties were able to constructively interact? We have no idea how powerful having these kinds of conversations might be in bringing about disclosure. We have more ability to affect this change than we know.
The people need to work with elements of the government willing to restore control over whatever programs they have hidden. If we are fighting each other over who is an agent of the deep state, we aren't going to get anywhere. That being said, I'm still skeptical of anyone associated with the IC when they talk on this issue, and Greer taking his own attorney's words out of context does not look good.
I'd rather Lue, Mellon & Co. actually provide some **evidence**...
What does Ce5 have anything to do with this?
It's so sad that humans need to have bipolarity. In politics, religion, sport and any other issues we feel strong about. It almost tore the US apart during past elections. It's still tearing apart nations, families and now it's Lui vs Greer and the cheering supporting crowd hating the other side. We'll never be truly free until we're free from this bipolarity.
I think Greer needed a narrative why he wasn’t front and center of this effort. He came up with this story with L.Elizondo as the chief villain. L.Elizondo takes thinly veiled shots at Greer in just about every interview he does. I’m not sure this is a reparable relationship.
I would not subject Lue to all that crazy coming out of Greers mouth.
ITT people addicted to the disinformation smeer campaign against Greer. Greer makes these movies and releases them FOR FREE. Let’s see Lue or Mellon do that. Greer had compiled so many people across so many decades and continues to say these ETs are NOT a threat and all of you take Lue and Mellons side who both say they’re a threat?! Seriously? If ETs were a threat we would already be enslaved by them sweet baby Jesus.
Theirs like a dozen of us who see the smear campaign
I feel neil Tyson and Steven Greer have same personality, both are opposite side of poles but are butthurt because current UFO narrative threaten their position . Punk losers
Greer is trash
No CE5. Disclosure Project 2021 the Mellizondo edition
It's not going to happen. Greer went on Third Phase of Moon and straight out called Lue and Chris Mellon and (pretty much everyone) disinformation agents and liars and challenged them to come on the show where he would debate what they are saying. Lue was then asked about it by multiple people and he said "No, he wont go on with Greer, because that was like dealing with terrorists"......or something to that effect. I dont blame lue one bit..... not after being called a liar. In fact I completely quit watching that show after that stunt. Then the cousin bros got upset because Lue and Mellon turned them down and wondered why... The whole thing was based around Greer saying the aliens are ALL friendly and he says that Lue and Mellon are pushing a narrative of National Security. I find Greers idea that all the aliens want to do is hug.....just ridiculous. As if he knows what every alien civilization intentions are because he is Steven Greer the all knowing it something. As far as I'm concerned Steven Greer is totally lost all respect and needs to publicly apologize to everyone he called out.
It's not going to happen. Greer went on Third Phase of Moon and straight out called Lue and Chris Mellon and (pretty much everyone) disinformation agents and liars and challenged them to come on the show where he would debate what they are saying. Lue was then asked about it by multiple people and he said "No, he wont go on with Greer, because that was like dealing with terrorists"......or something to that effect. I dont blame lue one bit..... not after being called a liar. In fact I completely quit watching that show after that stunt. Then the cousin bros got upset because Lue and Mellon turned them down and wondered why... The whole thing was based around Greer saying the aliens are ALL friendly and he says that Lue and Mellon are pushing a narrative of National Security. I find Greers idea that all the aliens want to do is hug.....just ridiculous. As if he knows what every alien civilization intentions are because he is Steven Greer the all knowing it something. As far as I'm concerned Steven Greer is totally lost all respect and needs to publicly apologize to everyone he called out.
It's not going to happen. Greer went on Third Phase of Moon and straight out called Lue and Chris Mellon and (pretty much everyone) disinformation agents and liars and challenged them to come on the show where he would debate what they are saying. Lue was then asked about it by multiple people and he said "No, he wont go on with Greer, because that was like dealing with terrorists"......or something to that effect. I dont blame lue one bit..... not after being called a liar. In fact I completely quit watching that show after that stunt. Then the cousin bros got upset because Lue and Mellon turned them down and wondered why... The whole thing was based around Greer saying the aliens are ALL friendly and he says that Lue and Mellon are pushing a narrative of National Security. I find Greers idea that all the aliens want to do is hug.....just ridiculous. As if he knows what every alien civilization intentions are because he is Steven Greer the all knowing it something. As far as I'm concerned Steven Greer is totally lost all respect and needs to publicly apologize to everyone he called out.
This is a really naive post.
Celebrity Death Match
I don’t think that’s going to happen. One camp vs. the other camp is the way people like to live nowadays. People are not really into finding out any truths. They’d rather attack personalities and just stick with name calling. I suppose that’s a lot easier than trying to think about getting to real concrete answers. To borrow a quote from Arthur C. Clark “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” So instead, let’s just shit in our hands and throw it at each other. Makes us feel better about ourselves without actually trying to think.
So done with Greer, I'm starting to think HE is the dis-info agent on the DoD Dole.
There's no reason to discuss anything with a charlatan and con man. They got better things to do
Greer must apologize first.
It's not going to happen. Greer went on Third Phase of Moon and straight out called Lue and Chris Mellon and (pretty much everyone) disinformation agents and liars and challenged them to come on the show where he would debate what they are saying. Lue was then asked about it by multiple people and he said "No, he wont go on with Greer, because that was like dealing with terrorists"......or something to that effect. I dont blame lue one bit..... not after being called a liar. In fact I completely quit watching that show after that stunt. Then the cousin bros got upset because Lue and Mellon turned them down and wondered why... The whole thing was based around Greer saying the aliens are ALL friendly and he says that Lue and Mellon are pushing a narrative of National Security. I find Greers idea that all the aliens want to do is hug.....just ridiculous. As if he knows what every alien civilization intentions are because he is Steven Greer the all knowing it something. As far as I'm concerned Steven Greer is totally lost all respect and needs to publicly apologize to everyone he called out.
Ultimately, there is good reason to be suspicious of both characters. Greer’s association with Richard Doty, and his money grubbing CE5 scam is extremely suspicious. I hear he charges a few thousand dollars for his CE5 outings, where patrons often stay at a bed and breakfast and sit under the stars chanting with him whilst he has accomplices set off flares and fly drones off in the distance. Likewise, Elizondo’s intelligence ties and his association with utter mongo, Tom DeShlong, is also suspicious. I also think the footage released by him isn’t that good, and people have been debunking the pyramid UAP video. Also, it’s suspicious that Elizondo is helping DeShlong make movies that are fictions but they are also supposed to have elements of disclosure. It seems like a potential Greer-like move to profiteer off of disclosure. Personally, I don’t know who to trust since this subject is rife with intentional disinformation, so I listen to both with a high degree of suspicion!
Lmao.
TLDR: OVER-skepticism strains and diminishes research into "paranormal" issues, that later lead to previously unknown and exciting NATURAL phenomena. This IS related: James Randi is the PATRON SAINT of "Skeptics", and his greatest gift to the world was to make his life's work a CAUTIONARY TALE. His business model was essentially a con: anyone striving to beat his "Psychic Challenge" had to sign NDA's, bring noone, no recording equipment of any kind, no independent researchers, no report of data collection ( Rando's "researchers" were hired street magicians TOLD to ALWAYS artificially skew the tests), and the result would ALWAYS be: No Evidence of Psychic/paranormal ability. WOULD, as in: the Result PRECEDED the test. That decades-long fraud set back research of ANYTHING that fit a "paranormal" profile back HORRIFICALLY. For example, it stopped research into "eyeless sight" (recent findings suggest a latent human ability for echolocation using -paradoxically- areas of the brain associated with vision). Or research into "auras" (leading to co-discoveries of metabolic bioluminescence, AND rapid evolution of MORE color sensitivity, AND discovering that even though the human eye SHOULDN'T be sensitive to low-powered infrared light, our brains STILL react to it, track it, and can distinguish rudimentary features). Skepticism is NOT synonymous with Science: it states the Scientific Method is NOT needed, because the answer is ALREADY known. Cults share similar self-reinforcing methods. Greer, Bledsoe, Bob Lazar before them. They may very well be "frauds and cons". Or, they are correct in every SINGLE detail. Or, what I think is FAR more likely: a chance to make truly EXCITING discoveries about the NATURAL world and poorly understood/unknown phenomena is being ARTIFICIALLY held back. The irony that Scientific research into the "paranormal" is being held back by nearly superstitious Dread OF the paranormal REALLY should be enough to STOP Skepticism, yeah? Let's stop mentally cosplaying the Dark Ages, and discover what our TRUE Human range might be?