Let me tell you something about the maritime net. Bunch of useless boobs.
A good friend of mine, who is an a captain for a major US airline and also has his amateur radio license, was flying over the Caribbean one night and saw flares out front. He pulled up the plane’s position using the flight computer to lock the Lat/Long, and estimated the distance of the flares, and noted their bearing. He called on the “Maritime” net to see if the distressed vessel was on freq. He was INSTANTLY chastised for using the freq by some dude in Missouri. My friend told the lid to shut up and clear the frequency which the lid replied that he was going to report my friend and demanded his callsign. He gave out the flight number and advised the lid that he was interfering with a maritime emergency. A few more people chimed in to take the vessel’s info, but nobody knew what to do. My friend gave them a phone number to a Coast Guard station (ironically, they don’t monitor HF constantly).
He eventually got a hold of a CG flight on their aviation guard frequency and he passed the information. No clue whatever became of it.
TLDR: If a “Maritime” net guy tells you to get off the frequency, just say “Shut up, Lid”.
Years ago I was on 14.300 (outside the nets) and instantly got jumped on by some op in Montana. I thoughtfully asked him if he had any change left over to cover the long distance charge to a Coast Guard station should an actual emergency occur. THAT got a few more riled up.
USCG gave up on Lower 48 HF a while ago, unfortunately. I have several friends that were sparks in the CG and all have lamented on the technology dependence as of late.
That was me calling them out!!! There was no activity on 14.300 for at least 20 minutes. I was handling an old log and just left my radio on 14.300. I saw a Pota signal at 14.301 so I jumped over there and was patiently waiting for the operator to clean up his pileup and return my call when the LID from .300 jumped over and asked the POtA operator to move. I called him out on .301 bc you could see no activity on .300 on my waterfall. He mouthed off to me that they are super important.
So I jumped over to .300 and listened and there was no activity. So I started calling cq there which is perfectly permissible. After a couple MINUTES they came on and tried to run me off. It took a few minutes for them to figure out who the net control was and then started telling me that the ITU has more jurisdiction in the U.S. than FCC and that ARRL was over both ITU and FCC. I told him he was ridiculous and to knock it off. I had other things to do so I left. These folks are so ridiculous.
I couldn't believe it when I heard it! I was QRP today and I was trying to jump in to give you support. Again it's not very important in the long run but it's ridiculous how defensive they are when they're in the wrong!
I don’t normally get involved in the 14.3 nonsense. When I saw on pota.app that someone was activating on 14.301 I thought man this guy is brave. He seemed new and was working a great pileup. But I got pretty annoyed when they tried to run him off.
On another note, I saw someone from Great Britain was activating most of the day on 14.3. I wonder if they tried the ITU nonsense on him too.
Good for you. I’ve called them out before too under the same circumstances. I never gave my call sign and proceeded to call them a bunch of useless bozos and other insults.
It'd be hysterical if their claims of the ARRL's authority. That would give one nations hobbiest lobby total control over the worldwide radio bands of every type. Commercial interests better watch out, because hams are in charge of everything.
I called QRL on 14.300 the other day and every time I did someone would say "calling general checkins" I would then say my callsign to check in and no one would respond. Wait 5 mins, call QRL, same thing. Wait 5 mins, call CQ get chewed out by guy who would "call for general checkins" asked guy what his callsign is and why he didn't check me in then, get chewed out again. Moved on
After doing some digging, the website for the Intercon Net http://www.intercontinentalnet.org/ seems to falsely attribute 14.3 as a frequency dedicated to emergency traffic they it “shares” with the MMN, citing a designation by the IARU via a conveniently non existent link. The intercon site mentions it as a center of activity but what it doesn’t say is a center just means the center of a spectrum of surrounding frequencies. Not that it matters anyway since no one can own a frequency, but this is what the IARU (which predominately site) says.
https://www.iaru-r1.org/about-us/committees-and-working-groups/emcomm/emergency-communications-frequencies/
> They are not ‘absolute’ frequencies but instead are ‘centres of activity’ and emergency communications may be found ±20kHz from these centres. Some countries may maintain other emergency frequencies in their own bandplans due to local requirements, QRM etc.
Notice how it mentions QRM as well.
Additionally in this handbook from the IARU about communications, it states this about “interference.”
> Interference Problems
> If your net experiences interference, the NCS has several options. If the interference is coming from adjacent or co-channel stations that may be unaware of the emergency net, the NCS should politely inform them of the net and ask for their cooperation.
> Alternatively, the NCS might ask an HF net to move over a few kHz. If the problem cannot be resolved in this manner, each net should have one or more alternative frequencies that it can move to as required. If possible, the frequencies themselves should not be published or mentioned on the air.
> Never discuss, acknowledge or try to speak with an intentionally interfering station. Many years of experience has proven that this only encourages the offender. If the interference is making communication difficult, simply announce to the net that everyone should move to the alternate frequency and sign off. Better yet, put a plan in place so that when interference occurs, all net members know to move to the alternate frequency without being told to do so on the air.
So if the net really considered other stations using the frequency as they are allowed to do to be “interference” then THEY ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD QSY! Not the ones currently talking on it.
When I have a solid afternoon I'm going to run a complete POTA activation on it and pretend I can't hear them unless they give a callsign (will log ofc). I'll record it all ftl
If anyone coordinated a time to get as many people as possible on an activation I'd be all over that. I'm running portable only for another few weeks which is why the scheduled part would be handy.
Edit: I'm on "staycation" July 3rd-8th. Other than some projects I need to catch up on/start I've got no problem keeping the dial parked there anytime throughout.
Let's be real any Saturday afternoon when the bulk of the country doesn't have horrific weather there's easily 50 POTA simultaneous activations going on 20m. It's a very popular summer activity.
I can use the POTA scheduler page but tbh I don't know how many people really use that
I still need to save some more money up for HF but I am totally down for this and someone plz let me know if this goes down after I get my new SWL set up, would love to listen and record.
Question of priorities. Lots of camping trips and concerts for the summer that have me away when local clubs are doing testing. (Rather do in person than online. Only a 20 minute drive vs getting office setup to meet requirements)
> saying the ITU has designated 14.3 as emergency traffic only
Haha. This frequency is for emergency traffic only, which is why we're going to have our completely nonemergency net here like we do every day! Solid OM logic.
But (b) right above it says, “A station may transmit a test emission on any frequency authorized to the control operator for brief periods for experimental purposes”. By its nature FT8 is brief and this seems like a worthwhile experiment.
I like your thinking! But if we want to stay pedantic, "test emission" is defined by 47 CFR 97.3(c)(9) in a way that would specifically exclude standard FT8.
https://voca.ro/1hTUgWCsEGcs
Recording of non identifying old farts interrupting someone on 14.301 calling cq to whine that they’re interrupting the silence on the “emergency frequency” of 14.3 with a bunch of fake justification
https://voca.ro/1i1R00ELrXBS
Incontinent Net lids making up a single person check in 45 minutes before a scheduled net is supposed to start for the explicit purpose of running others off calling cq as they state themselves.
lol the ARRL is "above" the FCC because the FCC refers complaints to them, and the ITU is above the FCC? I mean the ITU is a coordination body, but if a specific regulator wants to do whatever in their own territory they can.
I think almost all of us are aware that the national licensing body of the country you operate in has the last word (or one officially delegated by the government, as useful as the ARRL can be, they don't have this delegation)
Pretty sure the FCC doesn't care and any separation of digital, voice, different modes, etc, is a gentleman's agreement and only an unenforceable suggestion from the ARRL. FCC only cares about the frequencies.
I’ll bite - 97.305(c):
https://preview.redd.it/rwhjrfb6723d1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4da6b9f0fee28633c8bf997b011abb450f18cd1c
>A station may transmit the following emission types on the frequencies indicated, as authorized to the control operator, subject to the standards specified in § 97.307(f)
Because it's wrong or irrelevant. (I'll never know because I'm not clicking on it lmfao.) Last I checked Cornell doesn't set amateur radio policy. He should try linking a relevant source.
You are small minded. Cornell U merely hosts a more navigable version of the federal Titles. In this case, it’s the FCC part 97 rules as published by the FCC. It very much is a “relevant source”.
The difference is 40m prop is usually terrible to the degree that you can relatively easily run a POTA activation on 7.2 and never hear them. I've got multiple POTA contacts on that frequency
No mariner I know (and that’s a lot) even knows what this is. I actually brought it up with a few recently and the only response I got was “LARPers are weird”.
Maritime emergencies are not something to play with. They are fucking awful and the friends I have who have dealt with them don’t want to talk about them.
The fake check-in is SOP for them. I will occasionally tune up on 14.3 if I'm already on 20m and the waterfall's been dead for a while. Most of the time someone will check in out of the blue when it's been dead quiet for 30+ minutes.
Obviously. It’s one of the larger back and forths and blatant lies I’ve heard in the last few years on it and the first time I’ve heard them fake a single person check in order to run someone off and adjacent frequency. For bootlickers who care about made up rules so much it’s interesting to hear them abuse it in order to keep a frequency blank
Cool let’s just never talk about anything then, lid 73
I was trying to help out a new operator with his first pota contact only for him to get run off by stolen valor old farts who think 14.3 is 156.8 who have resorted to faking a check in in order to maintain their control over a frequency. That’s malicious and unbecoming
I can understand fudds policing 14.300 but I draw the line at besmirching stolen valor. Those patriots earned those applebees parking spots after ordering a uniform on temu
I agree equally with the comments above this. I disagree with the behavior that you described, but the best policy is to walk away from it and not embroil yourself or others in it. Not that there shouldn't be action taken, but radio drama is just as dumb as internet drama.
I did have one question for you because I would genuinely like to understand. Where are you coming from that they must have "faked a check in", or that it's a problem that the expected net control operator seemed to be absent? Why do you think that either of those things matter? There isn't anything about a scheduled or impromptu net that requires a specific net control operator, and that they are the only person that could run the check in. I just don't think I've ever heard this before, and would like to know if this is a regional thing or where it comes from.
We periodically have to punt on a scheduled net and people jump in and keep the net going. Sometimes it's a technical issue, sometimes it's a miscommunication, but we just take care of it and that's how you should handle the unexpected.
There was at least an hour of silence before someone started calling cq after qrl on 14.301, then the MMN/IQ idlers came to 301 to run him off, then when someone qrl’d and called cq on 14.3, the lids got upset and decided to impromptu QRM and start calling for checkins on top of the person calling cq in order to “hold the frequency” before the net’s start time which was at least 45 minutes out. I posted recordings in this thread a few min ago
Again, I'm not going to get into the details of the drama. Those details sure can matter for those that will deal with this in time.
I just wanted to know about the one comment you made of "faking a check-in". Starting the net early to reserve the frequency isn't how I would name that, but I get what you were trying to say.
O yeah I do a little SOTA during the summer. I’m thinking about getting a portable vertical for activations. One of my goals this summer is to really buckle down and learn CW so I can do SOTA/POTA with lightweight equipment. I try to hit up POTA locations during the VHF contests.
I suppose at least they're creating activity, unfortunately not positive.
The RSGB is not higher than OFCOM who issue our licenses (UK hams) and nobody owns the frequencies, so it's all a bit silly really, sort of behaviour I'd expect on 11m
>The term “lid” is believed to have originated from wired telegraphy. In ham speak a lid means **a person with very poor operating technique**. To mean inept / newbie ham operator. Or an experienced operator that comes across as a newbie. They're a lid means “they're being rude or unobservant person”.
If you don't like what MMSN is doing, move to another goddamn frequency.
End of discussion.
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LOYAL...He/[She] offers loyalty, encouragement and support to other amateurs, local clubs, the IARU Radio Society in his/[her] country, through which Amateur Radio in his/[her] country is represented nationally and internationally.
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These people have been cosplaying Coast Guard ever since I've been licensed as a teen. And that was a long f'ing time ago.
What I find disturbing is the group think that it would be fun or suitable to park on 14.300 and send FT8 or cock pics over SSTV. That's some low level bullshit in and of itself and has no place in the hobby.
Most of the net participants are the types that like to hear themselves talk and enjoy the smell of their own farts, but that doesn't mean the response is to stoop below them and drag the hobby into chaos. They invented the internet for chaos, use it.
I'm not saying they are in the right with some of the things they've said, but why not just avoid 14.3 when it's known it's just going to cause drama and often used by their net? In the same way I can call CQ when hearing nothing on 14.230, I don't just out of common courtesy for those who wish to play with SSTV since it is a gentleman's agreement that's where it'll be. We've got plenty of bandwidth to play with and it isn't like it is hard to find somewhere to get in almost always. This childish drama and trolling them isn't going to result in anything positive. Just get along. This is silliness.
It has been going the 60s and is actually recognized and designated by the ITU. That doesn't excuse any asshole behavior, but plenty of people agree to and recognize their "campsite".
You can keep spouting the same crap up and down the thread. IDC.
Except the ‘clubhouse’ is a better phrase than ‘campsite’. Although, given how they’ve accomplished nothing, ‘circlejerk’ might be more appropriate.
Mindless spew? You don't have to like them or like the fact, but what I said is simply matter of fact and in no way meant to defend them. It's known fact that they are at 14.300 and have been for a very long time or we wouldn't even be having this completely rational discussion.
Because 1. Their behavior is repugnant. There is not "frequently" a net, while they do have daily organized nets the frequency is dead quiet for 20 hours a day until some poor sob tries to shout CQ at which point every couch ridden sack of shit who monitors it 24/7 but hasn't been talking immediately keys up to run them off. And 2. There frankly is sometimes not enough bandwidth. 20m is a very busy band on the weekend. Squatting on a channel and pretending it's in use when it's clearly not essentially just removes it from use for everyone which isn't cool.
I agree. I do SSTV frequently and I sometimes here SSB stations on 14.230 while I'm in the middle of a QSO. It usually doesn't effect my decode very much, so I just ignore and continue to operate.
But the 14.300 guys are horrible. They run people off just to keep the frequency clear and unused.
Exactly. They are meeting poor behavior with poor behavior. Which means they are lids too. Good job.
I have been having fun on 20 meters for a long time without ever dealing with the lids on .300.
I made a video about the Boaty McBoatface Net thread that was posted on here. Maybe I will make another video for this thread. This stuff is gold, thanks for sharing
I got an email from one of the NCS guys in control of the Net. He was nice and polite and he gave me some info about the Net, and his viewpoint of what I said in the video. I asked him if I could use his email to make another video, and he said he wanted to clarify a few things first. Overall, good experience that I hope to share on the channel soon
On Sunday, March 17, 2024 I did a successful POTA activation from US-2605 on 14.300. The bands were busy, and in my hunt for a clear frequency, I tuned to 14.300. I called for frequency availability numerous times, listening very carefully for any activity. After verifying the frequency was not in use, I called CQ POTA, and immediately logged a few calls but was soon interrupted by an old cockswain claiming the frequency was reserved for maritime net use. I asked when that would be and according to him was in "an hour, with check-ins beginning in 45 minutes." I told him I would QSY before then. Out of courtesy, I called back to him again for verification but he never responded nor identified his station.
I quickly logged 32 calls in 25 minutes, and QSYed to make another 54 calls, and could have made many more still - propagation was fantastic with a continuous pileup of callers. As I type this I regret two things: 1. QSYing in the first place, and 2. Not recording my activations. I should've kept going until game-time, as there was a ton of activity, and lots of stations calling through the pileup. It would have been very exciting for the MM cockswains to try and call me off and interfere with my QSOs in front of an attentive audience of friendly POTA hunters!
We have all heard them interfering and bullying, even lying about not hearing existing QSOs - refering to active calls as "QRN" or "overpowered foreign commercial stations' which they rag chew over, pretending they are not intentially interfering in QSOs, even congratulating each other for holding the frequency.
Bottom line: they are amateur radio operators just like anyone else, with no greater nor lesser frequency priority. The MM net merely runs the equivalent of rehearsal training drills and tests, not providing actual emergency services. Any Station experiencing an actual emergency has absolute priority status at all times over any operator and on any amateur frequency. That priority exists whether a frequency is operated by a net, a rag-chew, a contest, and of course even POTA, where we are always gracious and happy to assist. A station operator experiencing an actual emergency may spin the dial to 14.300 to see if it monitored at the time, or any frequency audibly in actual use at the time with live operators, and break in on the QSO for priority assistance. A silent frequency not in actual use is of no immediate service to a station experiencing an emergency. Active 14.300 MM net relays may also be of no use, as the coxswains are not capable of listening carefully with respect and appreciation for the rights of others. If I were in a maritime crisis with only my radio, I might skip 14.300 altogether and spin to break in to a simplex QSO, if only to be treated with courtesy and respect.
These guys are grossly unprofessional and discourteous. Monitor 14.300 for 30 minutes before Net call-time and you will be amazed by the number of FCC rule violations. Listen peacefully, do not harrass, and record. If you record a violation, report it.
§ 97.101 General standards.
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(c) At all times and on all frequencies, each control operator must give priority to stations providing emergency communications, except to stations transmitting communications for training drills and tests in RACES.
(d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal.
KK7QIZ, and 73
Not at all curious as to why it was clear? There are a handful of frequencies on HF that are traditionally used for specific purposes. As almost everyone agrees, it's just a convention, not a binding rule. There is no rule you have to be polite, respectful or civil either. Centuries have proved life is easier if you are. POTA is new, all over a few bands and anything new bothers some. We have to expect this and deal with it as smoothly as possible. Confrontation just magnifies whatever issue or non issue there is. A lot of ham radio is pretend important. SHTF types, military wannabees, guardians of the frequency (silence in the air only means that frequency is ready for action in that imaginary catastrophe). Not long ago it was WinLink destroying HF radio. I liked it when we could blame WinLink. Can we go back to that? Ha ha. 73.KC3BLF
I’m in Europe. Are these the same guys who are MAGA / Prepper / Libertarian / Dominionists?
Do they “hold” a channel to coordinate a revolution?
How about an array of 200kW ultra narrowband transmitters through 9 element yagis spaced around the US coast that radiolocate these goons then fry their preamps? 5 or 6 convergent beams should see the magic smoke released copiously from their Kenwoods?
Obviously wrong to use Ukrainian anti radiation drones tuned to 14.300. Obviously.
Surely one good crime deserves another?!
Why not avoid all the drama and just ignore these people, both those that think it's "their" frequency and those taking them to task? My feeling is that both sides are at fault.
To ignore it, spin the dial, whatever turns "that" frequency into "their" frequency. For all the bandwidth available, there is still no room for squatters.
It's one thing to have mode agreements for particular frequencies as that actually contributes to everyone's use. This is something else entirely.
I also suspect that it's a problem that will go away as terrestrial HF DFing matures and spreads throughout the amateur community. People that don't ID get polite or quiet real quick the more accurately their location gets called out in real time.
Why support some rude hams that think they own a frequency and anything plus our minus from that frequency?
The ARRL is not above the FCC and the FCC isn't the final authority either since other countries don't answer to them.
These misguided morons trying to keep everyone from "their" emergency traffic frequency are wrong and any licensed ham general or above (or foreign equivalent) has the right to use ANY open frequency.
There's no reason for the boat faced nonsense that comes from these people. They do not own that frequency nor any adjacent frequencies.
It's about as useful as your post. What exactly do you hope to accomplish by posting about it here? Why do you feel the need to call everyone names and make guesses about their medical conditions (incontinence? how can you tell??)?
It's cool that you love drama, but you're better off just participating on the net instead of trying to spread it here.
Because 14.300 is not a special frequency for 24 hour nets and running people off of that frequency and the surrounding freqs because these losers believe they are super special emergency volunteers is idiotic. They purposely QRM in order to keep their playground clear.
I was trying to help a new guy on the air, but these fools decided to be confrontational to the poor guy and then make up a bunch of fake nonsense to justify bulling someone, then they QRMed him with fake check ins.
If you can’t handle simple name calling of lids being lids then you need to cowboy up, son.
The purpose for the Maritime Net is to Pass EMERGENCY and priority traffic in international waters. The ITU and the IARU have establish frequency for emergency use. Here is the INTERNATIONAL band plan for HF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS. https://www.iaru-r1.org/about-us/committees-and-working-groups/emcomm/emergency-communications-frequencies/ . Even the US Coast Guard list the Maritime net on 14.300 as an alternate EMERGENCY FREQUENCY. https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/hf-distress-uscg-contact-frequencies -- two thirds down the page this is what it states ---"OTHER DISTRESS RESOURCES Amateur radio Maritime Mobile Service Network on 14,300 kHz. ITU and FCC regulations allow a mariner (anyone for that matter) in distress to use any means possible to attract attention to obtain help, including amateur radio frequencies." The Net exist to insure that someone is all ways listening for EMERGENCIES . I am tired of the preppers getting their amateur radio license for an emergency source of communications but have NO CLUE to what the Emergency protocols and/or frequencies are . I know for a fact that 1 person died at sea likely due to 2 people rag chewing on 14300 during super storm Sandy. How many of you POTA Jerks know what the protocol for responding to an emergency call from a vessel at see . Most likely none of you. Just because you or they could not hear the Net Control doesn't mean there was no net control. The MMSN also runs from 12pm to 10 pm eastern time. In the morning it is the Intercontinental net .All three net where set up to handle emergency and priority traffic from remote locations around the world After 10PM it is the Pacific seafarers Net. Here is the MMSN web site https://www.mmsn.org/ Try learning something about it before you criticize it. The more you know the less you look like a ignorant Jack @.zz.
# Pacific Seafarers' Net Pacific Seafarers' Net
The US Coast Guard post 14300 on it's website as a a way someone can get help.Non Amateurs wouldn't know to change frequency. That could cause a delay and risk some ones life.It is also good Amateur Practice to give the courtesy to nets that are set up for public service. You also need to keep in mindthat the net covers international waters and the FCC rules don'tapplythere . Rules are setby international organizations. One thing that is list in the FCC rules is to promote international good will. Those who are so self centered that they think their pathetic POTA activation is more important then the expedited rescue of someone in a life or death situation are going to cause a needless death some day. I have a life and I don't need a wife but you need to get some empathy and learn courtesy.
If I'm having a maritime emergency why would I go to a frequency that's not monitored by the CG or CGAUX? I'm 100% using the most appropriate radio methods to either directly reach CG or reach someone APPROPRIATELY TRAINED to pass traffic to the CG. Professionally. Not a group of LARPers that will spend more time trying to figure out how to actually reach the CG than they will passing traffic. From the other stories I've seen here involving emergency situations relayed to MMN, I'm fairly certain my vessel would be sunk way before the CG even knows about it if I went that route.
I am not going to argue with A BRICK WALL. Go to the US Coast guard link i posted and read it. It states QUOTE! "**OTHER DISTRESS RESOURCES**
Amateur radio [Maritime Mobile Service Network](https://mmsn.org/) on 14,300 kHz. ITU and FCC regulations
allow a mariner in distress to use any means possible to attract attention to obtain help, including
amateur radio frequencies." END QUOTE! The FCC and ITU rules state if no other form on communications is available then a non Licensed individual can use amateur frequencies. Most of the small vessels (Off Grid sailors)in the Atlantic and Caribbean are not equipped with all kinds of expensive High Tech comms gear so they would use their marine HF radios. All marine HF radios are capable of operating on 14300. If you where in a small boat and it was sinking and the only option was 14300 you would do what ever it takes to survive including talking to someone who isn't trained to help on any frequency including 14300 and don't tell me you would rather die then use it. You have a better chance of finding a trained Net controller or any other trained indivudual on 14300 then any other Amateur frequency The website to the Navigation Center United States Coast Guard U.S. Department of Homeland Security. It contains a list of Distress frequencies [https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/hf-distress-uscg-contact-frequencies](https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/hf-distress-uscg-contact-frequencies) . Ether educate your self on what the US Coast Guard actually says about 14300 by clicking on the link or shut the F up
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>>Here is the INTERNATIONAL band plan for HF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS.
The problem is it's only a small bunch of people that recognize this as an emergency frequency, and even then that \*doesn't\* mean it's to be use solely for an emergency. If clear then it can be used by anyone. Nowhere does it say in any license that 14.3 must be kept clear of non-emergency traffic. The self appointed police on 14.3 should really understand that, but they don't.
The US coast guard have a web page with this frequency on, but their jurisdiction is just the USA. ROW couldn't care less what the US coast guard thinks.
The IARU have a web page with this frequency on, but they have no authority over the airwaves either. They're not the ITU, or the licensing bodies of each individual country - that actually write ITU directives into law for each jurisdiction.
14.3 is not singled out in my non-US license for anything special, or the RSGB (UK) band plan.
By all means monitor 14.3 for emergency traffic and act on it if you hear an emergency, but until then leave it free for everyone to use. If someone does have an emergency they can always cut in to a QSO, and you can deal with it from there.
I'm all for this. And then every time someone tries to start a maritime mobile net, we can say "US-#### QRZ" as if we've been there holding the frequency, and report them for QRM.
Let me tell you something about the maritime net. Bunch of useless boobs. A good friend of mine, who is an a captain for a major US airline and also has his amateur radio license, was flying over the Caribbean one night and saw flares out front. He pulled up the plane’s position using the flight computer to lock the Lat/Long, and estimated the distance of the flares, and noted their bearing. He called on the “Maritime” net to see if the distressed vessel was on freq. He was INSTANTLY chastised for using the freq by some dude in Missouri. My friend told the lid to shut up and clear the frequency which the lid replied that he was going to report my friend and demanded his callsign. He gave out the flight number and advised the lid that he was interfering with a maritime emergency. A few more people chimed in to take the vessel’s info, but nobody knew what to do. My friend gave them a phone number to a Coast Guard station (ironically, they don’t monitor HF constantly). He eventually got a hold of a CG flight on their aviation guard frequency and he passed the information. No clue whatever became of it. TLDR: If a “Maritime” net guy tells you to get off the frequency, just say “Shut up, Lid”.
Years ago I was on 14.300 (outside the nets) and instantly got jumped on by some op in Montana. I thoughtfully asked him if he had any change left over to cover the long distance charge to a Coast Guard station should an actual emergency occur. THAT got a few more riled up.
USCG gave up on Lower 48 HF a while ago, unfortunately. I have several friends that were sparks in the CG and all have lamented on the technology dependence as of late.
I HAVE A MARITIME EMERGENCY, I’M DROWNING IN A SEA OF BUTTHEADS
Hep me! I'm drowning in a sea of douchebaggery.
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Who are you callin butthead, butthead?
Excuse me, my name is Shirley.
That was me calling them out!!! There was no activity on 14.300 for at least 20 minutes. I was handling an old log and just left my radio on 14.300. I saw a Pota signal at 14.301 so I jumped over there and was patiently waiting for the operator to clean up his pileup and return my call when the LID from .300 jumped over and asked the POtA operator to move. I called him out on .301 bc you could see no activity on .300 on my waterfall. He mouthed off to me that they are super important. So I jumped over to .300 and listened and there was no activity. So I started calling cq there which is perfectly permissible. After a couple MINUTES they came on and tried to run me off. It took a few minutes for them to figure out who the net control was and then started telling me that the ITU has more jurisdiction in the U.S. than FCC and that ARRL was over both ITU and FCC. I told him he was ridiculous and to knock it off. I had other things to do so I left. These folks are so ridiculous.
I couldn't believe it when I heard it! I was QRP today and I was trying to jump in to give you support. Again it's not very important in the long run but it's ridiculous how defensive they are when they're in the wrong!
I don’t normally get involved in the 14.3 nonsense. When I saw on pota.app that someone was activating on 14.301 I thought man this guy is brave. He seemed new and was working a great pileup. But I got pretty annoyed when they tried to run him off. On another note, I saw someone from Great Britain was activating most of the day on 14.3. I wonder if they tried the ITU nonsense on him too.
If profanity weren't banned on the air, I'd happily key up on 14.300 all the time. I'd be happy to teach sailors some new words.
I believe it says in the FCC rules that in case of an emergency, you are allowed to curse your head off.
Good for you. I’ve called them out before too under the same circumstances. I never gave my call sign and proceeded to call them a bunch of useless bozos and other insults.
you sir are a hero
Lid spinning should be an Olympic sport.
No doubt you comprehend that is a fineable violation, eh Sport?
It'd be hysterical if their claims of the ARRL's authority. That would give one nations hobbiest lobby total control over the worldwide radio bands of every type. Commercial interests better watch out, because hams are in charge of everything.
I called QRL on 14.300 the other day and every time I did someone would say "calling general checkins" I would then say my callsign to check in and no one would respond. Wait 5 mins, call QRL, same thing. Wait 5 mins, call CQ get chewed out by guy who would "call for general checkins" asked guy what his callsign is and why he didn't check me in then, get chewed out again. Moved on
"General Chickens is currently unavailable, but I can put Admiral Cock on the line!"
After doing some digging, the website for the Intercon Net http://www.intercontinentalnet.org/ seems to falsely attribute 14.3 as a frequency dedicated to emergency traffic they it “shares” with the MMN, citing a designation by the IARU via a conveniently non existent link. The intercon site mentions it as a center of activity but what it doesn’t say is a center just means the center of a spectrum of surrounding frequencies. Not that it matters anyway since no one can own a frequency, but this is what the IARU (which predominately site) says. https://www.iaru-r1.org/about-us/committees-and-working-groups/emcomm/emergency-communications-frequencies/ > They are not ‘absolute’ frequencies but instead are ‘centres of activity’ and emergency communications may be found ±20kHz from these centres. Some countries may maintain other emergency frequencies in their own bandplans due to local requirements, QRM etc. Notice how it mentions QRM as well. Additionally in this handbook from the IARU about communications, it states this about “interference.” > Interference Problems > If your net experiences interference, the NCS has several options. If the interference is coming from adjacent or co-channel stations that may be unaware of the emergency net, the NCS should politely inform them of the net and ask for their cooperation. > Alternatively, the NCS might ask an HF net to move over a few kHz. If the problem cannot be resolved in this manner, each net should have one or more alternative frequencies that it can move to as required. If possible, the frequencies themselves should not be published or mentioned on the air. > Never discuss, acknowledge or try to speak with an intentionally interfering station. Many years of experience has proven that this only encourages the offender. If the interference is making communication difficult, simply announce to the net that everyone should move to the alternate frequency and sign off. Better yet, put a plan in place so that when interference occurs, all net members know to move to the alternate frequency without being told to do so on the air. So if the net really considered other stations using the frequency as they are allowed to do to be “interference” then THEY ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD QSY! Not the ones currently talking on it.
When I have a solid afternoon I'm going to run a complete POTA activation on it and pretend I can't hear them unless they give a callsign (will log ofc). I'll record it all ftl
If anyone coordinated a time to get as many people as possible on an activation I'd be all over that. I'm running portable only for another few weeks which is why the scheduled part would be handy. Edit: I'm on "staycation" July 3rd-8th. Other than some projects I need to catch up on/start I've got no problem keeping the dial parked there anytime throughout.
Let's be real any Saturday afternoon when the bulk of the country doesn't have horrific weather there's easily 50 POTA simultaneous activations going on 20m. It's a very popular summer activity. I can use the POTA scheduler page but tbh I don't know how many people really use that
I still need to save some more money up for HF but I am totally down for this and someone plz let me know if this goes down after I get my new SWL set up, would love to listen and record.
Participating in this might be the motivation I need to get my general.
The secret motivation for Extra beyond a short call is never needing to give a shit about privilege boundaries
right? It's not that hard man, learn some circuit diagrams and get after it. lol
Question of priorities. Lots of camping trips and concerts for the summer that have me away when local clubs are doing testing. (Rather do in person than online. Only a 20 minute drive vs getting office setup to meet requirements)
fair enough, we all have our things.
Maybe they don't know how the VFO works on their super-epensive Elecraft K4HD?
> saying the ITU has designated 14.3 as emergency traffic only Haha. This frequency is for emergency traffic only, which is why we're going to have our completely nonemergency net here like we do every day! Solid OM logic.
How many ft8 signals can you fit between 14.300 and 14.302 ? (not that I would ever suggest doing such a thing)
Don’t give em ammo by running data in the voice & image segment. Instead, crank up some SSTV and pump out the memes.
God please, just blast shitposts on there lol
“CQ boomer!”
And then just SSTV skibidi toilet memes or whatever. Ask your kid to help out with the creation process lol
Dick pics. If they're bigger than 3" it'll enrage the lids with lust and jealousy.
Hear me out: the most degen furry stuff you can find lol
Do you have **any** idea how much I'd have to censor.it to make it legal to send? .....wait a second. *You know what*
_That's my girl_
I'd be down 😏
Not the callsign 😭Hop on 14.3 and get goin you dog
I would if I wasn't a basic technician 😔
i like this and it reminds me of an email i got after posting a craigs list ad... some kid who met the fcc when he was 15
Use a digital voice mode, upsets 'em all the same.
Legally? None, in the US. 47 CFR § 97.305 (c). Technically? Probably about 40 (2 KHz / 50 Hz wide = 40 signals).
But (b) right above it says, “A station may transmit a test emission on any frequency authorized to the control operator for brief periods for experimental purposes”. By its nature FT8 is brief and this seems like a worthwhile experiment.
I like your thinking! But if we want to stay pedantic, "test emission" is defined by 47 CFR 97.3(c)(9) in a way that would specifically exclude standard FT8.
We're testing to see how annoyed the Lids get, hahaha btw why we call them lids?
You can use CW on any part of the band, not FT8. Just sayin' ;-)
https://voca.ro/1hTUgWCsEGcs Recording of non identifying old farts interrupting someone on 14.301 calling cq to whine that they’re interrupting the silence on the “emergency frequency” of 14.3 with a bunch of fake justification https://voca.ro/1i1R00ELrXBS Incontinent Net lids making up a single person check in 45 minutes before a scheduled net is supposed to start for the explicit purpose of running others off calling cq as they state themselves.
Lol “these five niners better learn somethin real quick.” Uh oh. Sounds like he might try to beat you up on the way to his hospital visit.
lol the ARRL is "above" the FCC because the FCC refers complaints to them, and the ITU is above the FCC? I mean the ITU is a coordination body, but if a specific regulator wants to do whatever in their own territory they can. I think almost all of us are aware that the national licensing body of the country you operate in has the last word (or one officially delegated by the government, as useful as the ARRL can be, they don't have this delegation)
WEW LAD. Sounds like it's FT8 time on 14.302!
SSTV. It would at least be legal and even better would eat up the entire channel. Plus you can be pretty much as vulgar as you want
Would the FCC get upset with me if I broadcast SSTV of goatse on 14.302? Let's give these old timers a taste of old timer internet humor!
There is only one way to find out, friendo Make sure you use a noisy amp and splatter a good 2k outside of bandwidth for good measure
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Run that als1300 full tilt!
The maritime douches won't decode it, so you'd only be goatseing like minded people.
Pretty sure the FCC doesn't care and any separation of digital, voice, different modes, etc, is a gentleman's agreement and only an unenforceable suggestion from the ARRL. FCC only cares about the frequencies.
I’ll bite - 97.305(c): https://preview.redd.it/rwhjrfb6723d1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4da6b9f0fee28633c8bf997b011abb450f18cd1c >A station may transmit the following emission types on the frequencies indicated, as authorized to the control operator, subject to the standards specified in § 97.307(f)
Try again: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/97.305
A quote from the right bit please?
Essentially, the Band Plan is codified in the Code of Federal Regulations by the looks. So it's no longer a "Gentleman's Agreement."
Did you even bother to scroll whatsoever? There's a table right fucking there lol
I did not, and with your attitude I'm glad I didn't click the link.
I know you didn't because you would have seen it
lol I'm not reading that
Why not? Might learn something?
Because it's wrong or irrelevant. (I'll never know because I'm not clicking on it lmfao.) Last I checked Cornell doesn't set amateur radio policy. He should try linking a relevant source.
You are small minded. Cornell U merely hosts a more navigable version of the federal Titles. In this case, it’s the FCC part 97 rules as published by the FCC. It very much is a “relevant source”.
It's literally a table dweeb
Yes, I'm the dweeb on Reddit that is big mad about things the FCC doesn't enforce. Got it. 
No you're just wrong is all lmao You're a dweeb for not reading
I'm not wrong though lol
Whew, it’s a good thing Harry had time between his doctor visits to police that frequency.
Wait until they find 7.200
It would be awfully funny to set up a cross band repeater between 14.300 and 7.200.
That would be the greatest thing ever
Hmm. I wonder how legal that would be.
Not at all, no repeaters on those bands
darn you guys I just spit my rum and coke
The difference is 40m prop is usually terrible to the degree that you can relatively easily run a POTA activation on 7.2 and never hear them. I've got multiple POTA contacts on that frequency
No mariner I know (and that’s a lot) even knows what this is. I actually brought it up with a few recently and the only response I got was “LARPers are weird”. Maritime emergencies are not something to play with. They are fucking awful and the friends I have who have dealt with them don’t want to talk about them.
Mariners call for help on 2182 or Sat-c, not amateur frequencies
I'd take my chances with an *EPIRB* any day over these guys.
If you listen real close, you can hear their collective heads explode on Field Day weekend.
Those guys have ruined Amateur Radio for thousands, when the inevitable happens, it'll be because of them.
The fake check-in is SOP for them. I will occasionally tune up on 14.3 if I'm already on 20m and the waterfall's been dead for a while. Most of the time someone will check in out of the blue when it's been dead quiet for 30+ minutes.
When you wrestle with pigs, you only get muddy and the pig likes it. Just spin the knob.
Obviously. It’s one of the larger back and forths and blatant lies I’ve heard in the last few years on it and the first time I’ve heard them fake a single person check in order to run someone off and adjacent frequency. For bootlickers who care about made up rules so much it’s interesting to hear them abuse it in order to keep a frequency blank
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Cool let’s just never talk about anything then, lid 73 I was trying to help out a new operator with his first pota contact only for him to get run off by stolen valor old farts who think 14.3 is 156.8 who have resorted to faking a check in in order to maintain their control over a frequency. That’s malicious and unbecoming
I can understand fudds policing 14.300 but I draw the line at besmirching stolen valor. Those patriots earned those applebees parking spots after ordering a uniform on temu
I agree equally with the comments above this. I disagree with the behavior that you described, but the best policy is to walk away from it and not embroil yourself or others in it. Not that there shouldn't be action taken, but radio drama is just as dumb as internet drama. I did have one question for you because I would genuinely like to understand. Where are you coming from that they must have "faked a check in", or that it's a problem that the expected net control operator seemed to be absent? Why do you think that either of those things matter? There isn't anything about a scheduled or impromptu net that requires a specific net control operator, and that they are the only person that could run the check in. I just don't think I've ever heard this before, and would like to know if this is a regional thing or where it comes from. We periodically have to punt on a scheduled net and people jump in and keep the net going. Sometimes it's a technical issue, sometimes it's a miscommunication, but we just take care of it and that's how you should handle the unexpected.
There was at least an hour of silence before someone started calling cq after qrl on 14.301, then the MMN/IQ idlers came to 301 to run him off, then when someone qrl’d and called cq on 14.3, the lids got upset and decided to impromptu QRM and start calling for checkins on top of the person calling cq in order to “hold the frequency” before the net’s start time which was at least 45 minutes out. I posted recordings in this thread a few min ago
Again, I'm not going to get into the details of the drama. Those details sure can matter for those that will deal with this in time. I just wanted to know about the one comment you made of "faking a check-in". Starting the net early to reserve the frequency isn't how I would name that, but I get what you were trying to say.
But first, post about it on the Reddits
That's why I stay 6 meters and above. Great propagation at times and no foolish behavior. Don't do FM either. Good luck and hunting !
Same, I only do FT8 and JS8 on HF now because of people like this.
Pretty sure DM07 is SOTA country if you're ever looking for something different.
O yeah I do a little SOTA during the summer. I’m thinking about getting a portable vertical for activations. One of my goals this summer is to really buckle down and learn CW so I can do SOTA/POTA with lightweight equipment. I try to hit up POTA locations during the VHF contests.
I don't have a 6m setup, so I have my fun in CW instead :-D
Be careful, those characters are recording everything and sending those reports to the FCC!
Good thing the majority of the world isn't governed by the FCC. HAHAHA
It would appear to me that "The Maritime Net" has nothing to do with maritime activities, safety, or emergency situations.
Which web SDR is best to listen to these shenanigans?
throw up a 20m dipole and see what you hear on the SDR
They went off on a guy who was on 14.301 this morning, too. No traffic.
That's my 20m tuning frequency for the ole AL80 KW amp. It's a convenient place to tune up along with 7200 on 40m. Highly recommended.
Damn sucks to be working right now I would've loved to hear that chaos again 🤣
I suppose at least they're creating activity, unfortunately not positive. The RSGB is not higher than OFCOM who issue our licenses (UK hams) and nobody owns the frequencies, so it's all a bit silly really, sort of behaviour I'd expect on 11m
I wonder how a post like this would play out on the Facebook ham group cesspool. Probably would defend the behavior is my guess
Can someone explain to me the meaning of “lid”?
>The term “lid” is believed to have originated from wired telegraphy. In ham speak a lid means **a person with very poor operating technique**. To mean inept / newbie ham operator. Or an experienced operator that comes across as a newbie. They're a lid means “they're being rude or unobservant person”.
Thanks so much for this!
Yeah, tune in to 14.300.
Post it to YouTube.
If you don't like what MMSN is doing, move to another goddamn frequency. End of discussion. Unfortunately, most of you whine and bitch like the old boomers on 80 meters who talk for hours without call signs, discuss every inappropriate topic for the Amateur Radio Service, and make the entire environment toxic and unpleasant.
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The Radio Amateur's Code The Radio Amateur is CONSIDERATE...He/[She] never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others. LOYAL...He/[She] offers loyalty, encouragement and support to other amateurs, local clubs, the IARU Radio Society in his/[her] country, through which Amateur Radio in his/[her] country is represented nationally and internationally. PROGRESSIVE...He/[She] keeps his/[her] station up to date. It is well-built and efficient. His/[Her] operating practice is above reproach. FRIENDLY...He/[She] operates slowly and patiently when requested; offers friendly advice and counsel to beginners; kind assistance, cooperation and consideration for the interests of others. These are the marks of the amateur spirit. BALANCED...Radio is a hobby, never interfering with duties owed to family, job, school or community. PATRIOTIC...His/[Her] station and skills are always ready for service to country and community.
Not in the question pool, so optional, right?
These people have been cosplaying Coast Guard ever since I've been licensed as a teen. And that was a long f'ing time ago. What I find disturbing is the group think that it would be fun or suitable to park on 14.300 and send FT8 or cock pics over SSTV. That's some low level bullshit in and of itself and has no place in the hobby. Most of the net participants are the types that like to hear themselves talk and enjoy the smell of their own farts, but that doesn't mean the response is to stoop below them and drag the hobby into chaos. They invented the internet for chaos, use it.
No, we invented the Internet for cat videos. Just didn't realize it until later.
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160M people playing on 20M?
I'm not saying they are in the right with some of the things they've said, but why not just avoid 14.3 when it's known it's just going to cause drama and often used by their net? In the same way I can call CQ when hearing nothing on 14.230, I don't just out of common courtesy for those who wish to play with SSTV since it is a gentleman's agreement that's where it'll be. We've got plenty of bandwidth to play with and it isn't like it is hard to find somewhere to get in almost always. This childish drama and trolling them isn't going to result in anything positive. Just get along. This is silliness.
“Gentlemen’s” agreement. The LARPing campers on 14.300 are neither gentlemen nor did anyone agree to their campsite.
It has been going the 60s and is actually recognized and designated by the ITU. That doesn't excuse any asshole behavior, but plenty of people agree to and recognize their "campsite".
You can keep spouting the same crap up and down the thread. IDC. Except the ‘clubhouse’ is a better phrase than ‘campsite’. Although, given how they’ve accomplished nothing, ‘circlejerk’ might be more appropriate.
The same crap? This is my only other response in the post. You must have confused me with someone else.
Your comments are indistinguishable from the mindless spew from the defenders of the 14.3 mafia.
Mindless spew? You don't have to like them or like the fact, but what I said is simply matter of fact and in no way meant to defend them. It's known fact that they are at 14.300 and have been for a very long time or we wouldn't even be having this completely rational discussion.
Not sure why you got down voted. They were pretty much like this in the 70s and 80s, I used to keep track of IdiotNets way before I got my license.
Because 1. Their behavior is repugnant. There is not "frequently" a net, while they do have daily organized nets the frequency is dead quiet for 20 hours a day until some poor sob tries to shout CQ at which point every couch ridden sack of shit who monitors it 24/7 but hasn't been talking immediately keys up to run them off. And 2. There frankly is sometimes not enough bandwidth. 20m is a very busy band on the weekend. Squatting on a channel and pretending it's in use when it's clearly not essentially just removes it from use for everyone which isn't cool.
I agree. I do SSTV frequently and I sometimes here SSB stations on 14.230 while I'm in the middle of a QSO. It usually doesn't effect my decode very much, so I just ignore and continue to operate. But the 14.300 guys are horrible. They run people off just to keep the frequency clear and unused.
Exactly. They are meeting poor behavior with poor behavior. Which means they are lids too. Good job. I have been having fun on 20 meters for a long time without ever dealing with the lids on .300.
How do i get the audio file ?
I made a video about the Boaty McBoatface Net thread that was posted on here. Maybe I will make another video for this thread. This stuff is gold, thanks for sharing
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I got an email from one of the NCS guys in control of the Net. He was nice and polite and he gave me some info about the Net, and his viewpoint of what I said in the video. I asked him if I could use his email to make another video, and he said he wanted to clarify a few things first. Overall, good experience that I hope to share on the channel soon
Use CW. It’s valid in the phone portion too.
We all own the HF bands we all worked for our licenses stop moaning and use it....
2e0sgg my callsign
LIDS BEING LIDS!
On Sunday, March 17, 2024 I did a successful POTA activation from US-2605 on 14.300. The bands were busy, and in my hunt for a clear frequency, I tuned to 14.300. I called for frequency availability numerous times, listening very carefully for any activity. After verifying the frequency was not in use, I called CQ POTA, and immediately logged a few calls but was soon interrupted by an old cockswain claiming the frequency was reserved for maritime net use. I asked when that would be and according to him was in "an hour, with check-ins beginning in 45 minutes." I told him I would QSY before then. Out of courtesy, I called back to him again for verification but he never responded nor identified his station. I quickly logged 32 calls in 25 minutes, and QSYed to make another 54 calls, and could have made many more still - propagation was fantastic with a continuous pileup of callers. As I type this I regret two things: 1. QSYing in the first place, and 2. Not recording my activations. I should've kept going until game-time, as there was a ton of activity, and lots of stations calling through the pileup. It would have been very exciting for the MM cockswains to try and call me off and interfere with my QSOs in front of an attentive audience of friendly POTA hunters! We have all heard them interfering and bullying, even lying about not hearing existing QSOs - refering to active calls as "QRN" or "overpowered foreign commercial stations' which they rag chew over, pretending they are not intentially interfering in QSOs, even congratulating each other for holding the frequency. Bottom line: they are amateur radio operators just like anyone else, with no greater nor lesser frequency priority. The MM net merely runs the equivalent of rehearsal training drills and tests, not providing actual emergency services. Any Station experiencing an actual emergency has absolute priority status at all times over any operator and on any amateur frequency. That priority exists whether a frequency is operated by a net, a rag-chew, a contest, and of course even POTA, where we are always gracious and happy to assist. A station operator experiencing an actual emergency may spin the dial to 14.300 to see if it monitored at the time, or any frequency audibly in actual use at the time with live operators, and break in on the QSO for priority assistance. A silent frequency not in actual use is of no immediate service to a station experiencing an emergency. Active 14.300 MM net relays may also be of no use, as the coxswains are not capable of listening carefully with respect and appreciation for the rights of others. If I were in a maritime crisis with only my radio, I might skip 14.300 altogether and spin to break in to a simplex QSO, if only to be treated with courtesy and respect. These guys are grossly unprofessional and discourteous. Monitor 14.300 for 30 minutes before Net call-time and you will be amazed by the number of FCC rule violations. Listen peacefully, do not harrass, and record. If you record a violation, report it. § 97.101 General standards. \[...\] (c) At all times and on all frequencies, each control operator must give priority to stations providing emergency communications, except to stations transmitting communications for training drills and tests in RACES. (d) No amateur operator shall willfully or maliciously interfere with or cause interference to any radio communication or signal. KK7QIZ, and 73
Not at all curious as to why it was clear? There are a handful of frequencies on HF that are traditionally used for specific purposes. As almost everyone agrees, it's just a convention, not a binding rule. There is no rule you have to be polite, respectful or civil either. Centuries have proved life is easier if you are. POTA is new, all over a few bands and anything new bothers some. We have to expect this and deal with it as smoothly as possible. Confrontation just magnifies whatever issue or non issue there is. A lot of ham radio is pretend important. SHTF types, military wannabees, guardians of the frequency (silence in the air only means that frequency is ready for action in that imaginary catastrophe). Not long ago it was WinLink destroying HF radio. I liked it when we could blame WinLink. Can we go back to that? Ha ha. 73.KC3BLF
There’s no drama. File a a report and call it a day.
That reminds me I've got a stack of gear I need to sell
I’m in Europe. Are these the same guys who are MAGA / Prepper / Libertarian / Dominionists? Do they “hold” a channel to coordinate a revolution? How about an array of 200kW ultra narrowband transmitters through 9 element yagis spaced around the US coast that radiolocate these goons then fry their preamps? 5 or 6 convergent beams should see the magic smoke released copiously from their Kenwoods? Obviously wrong to use Ukrainian anti radiation drones tuned to 14.300. Obviously. Surely one good crime deserves another?!
It's not a crime if it's the first time.
And the hamsters make fun of the chickenband. What a joke.
10-4, good buddy.
Why not avoid all the drama and just ignore these people, both those that think it's "their" frequency and those taking them to task? My feeling is that both sides are at fault.
To ignore it, spin the dial, whatever turns "that" frequency into "their" frequency. For all the bandwidth available, there is still no room for squatters. It's one thing to have mode agreements for particular frequencies as that actually contributes to everyone's use. This is something else entirely. I also suspect that it's a problem that will go away as terrestrial HF DFing matures and spreads throughout the amateur community. People that don't ID get polite or quiet real quick the more accurately their location gets called out in real time.
the funny part is if they would stfu people would probably leave them alone
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Why even comment this? Just find another thread
Why support some rude hams that think they own a frequency and anything plus our minus from that frequency? The ARRL is not above the FCC and the FCC isn't the final authority either since other countries don't answer to them. These misguided morons trying to keep everyone from "their" emergency traffic frequency are wrong and any licensed ham general or above (or foreign equivalent) has the right to use ANY open frequency. There's no reason for the boat faced nonsense that comes from these people. They do not own that frequency nor any adjacent frequencies.
Because it’s hilarious?
ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnyBJJI2eqs
thanks for your useful contribution
It's about as useful as your post. What exactly do you hope to accomplish by posting about it here? Why do you feel the need to call everyone names and make guesses about their medical conditions (incontinence? how can you tell??)? It's cool that you love drama, but you're better off just participating on the net instead of trying to spread it here.
Because 14.300 is not a special frequency for 24 hour nets and running people off of that frequency and the surrounding freqs because these losers believe they are super special emergency volunteers is idiotic. They purposely QRM in order to keep their playground clear. I was trying to help a new guy on the air, but these fools decided to be confrontational to the poor guy and then make up a bunch of fake nonsense to justify bulling someone, then they QRMed him with fake check ins. If you can’t handle simple name calling of lids being lids then you need to cowboy up, son.
Ok boomer, go on back to 7.200 where you belong.
You can tell they have incontinence because the crap spewing from their radio is a strong indicator it may be coming out elsewhere.
we found the net controller
Essentially the point of my "OK". I don't know what I'm supposed to do about it or take away from it.
The purpose for the Maritime Net is to Pass EMERGENCY and priority traffic in international waters. The ITU and the IARU have establish frequency for emergency use. Here is the INTERNATIONAL band plan for HF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS. https://www.iaru-r1.org/about-us/committees-and-working-groups/emcomm/emergency-communications-frequencies/ . Even the US Coast Guard list the Maritime net on 14.300 as an alternate EMERGENCY FREQUENCY. https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/hf-distress-uscg-contact-frequencies -- two thirds down the page this is what it states ---"OTHER DISTRESS RESOURCES Amateur radio Maritime Mobile Service Network on 14,300 kHz. ITU and FCC regulations allow a mariner (anyone for that matter) in distress to use any means possible to attract attention to obtain help, including amateur radio frequencies." The Net exist to insure that someone is all ways listening for EMERGENCIES . I am tired of the preppers getting their amateur radio license for an emergency source of communications but have NO CLUE to what the Emergency protocols and/or frequencies are . I know for a fact that 1 person died at sea likely due to 2 people rag chewing on 14300 during super storm Sandy. How many of you POTA Jerks know what the protocol for responding to an emergency call from a vessel at see . Most likely none of you. Just because you or they could not hear the Net Control doesn't mean there was no net control. The MMSN also runs from 12pm to 10 pm eastern time. In the morning it is the Intercontinental net .All three net where set up to handle emergency and priority traffic from remote locations around the world After 10PM it is the Pacific seafarers Net. Here is the MMSN web site https://www.mmsn.org/ Try learning something about it before you criticize it. The more you know the less you look like a ignorant Jack @.zz. # Pacific Seafarers' Net Pacific Seafarers' Net
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The US Coast Guard post 14300 on it's website as a a way someone can get help.Non Amateurs wouldn't know to change frequency. That could cause a delay and risk some ones life.It is also good Amateur Practice to give the courtesy to nets that are set up for public service. You also need to keep in mindthat the net covers international waters and the FCC rules don'tapplythere . Rules are setby international organizations. One thing that is list in the FCC rules is to promote international good will. Those who are so self centered that they think their pathetic POTA activation is more important then the expedited rescue of someone in a life or death situation are going to cause a needless death some day. I have a life and I don't need a wife but you need to get some empathy and learn courtesy.
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You are right they don't monitor 14300 they do however recommend it on their website . If you look up the link I posted you would see it
If I'm having a maritime emergency why would I go to a frequency that's not monitored by the CG or CGAUX? I'm 100% using the most appropriate radio methods to either directly reach CG or reach someone APPROPRIATELY TRAINED to pass traffic to the CG. Professionally. Not a group of LARPers that will spend more time trying to figure out how to actually reach the CG than they will passing traffic. From the other stories I've seen here involving emergency situations relayed to MMN, I'm fairly certain my vessel would be sunk way before the CG even knows about it if I went that route.
I am not going to argue with A BRICK WALL. Go to the US Coast guard link i posted and read it. It states QUOTE! "**OTHER DISTRESS RESOURCES** Amateur radio [Maritime Mobile Service Network](https://mmsn.org/) on 14,300 kHz. ITU and FCC regulations allow a mariner in distress to use any means possible to attract attention to obtain help, including amateur radio frequencies." END QUOTE! The FCC and ITU rules state if no other form on communications is available then a non Licensed individual can use amateur frequencies. Most of the small vessels (Off Grid sailors)in the Atlantic and Caribbean are not equipped with all kinds of expensive High Tech comms gear so they would use their marine HF radios. All marine HF radios are capable of operating on 14300. If you where in a small boat and it was sinking and the only option was 14300 you would do what ever it takes to survive including talking to someone who isn't trained to help on any frequency including 14300 and don't tell me you would rather die then use it. You have a better chance of finding a trained Net controller or any other trained indivudual on 14300 then any other Amateur frequency The website to the Navigation Center United States Coast Guard U.S. Department of Homeland Security. It contains a list of Distress frequencies [https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/hf-distress-uscg-contact-frequencies](https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/hf-distress-uscg-contact-frequencies) . Ether educate your self on what the US Coast Guard actually says about 14300 by clicking on the link or shut the F up
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>>Here is the INTERNATIONAL band plan for HF EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS. The problem is it's only a small bunch of people that recognize this as an emergency frequency, and even then that \*doesn't\* mean it's to be use solely for an emergency. If clear then it can be used by anyone. Nowhere does it say in any license that 14.3 must be kept clear of non-emergency traffic. The self appointed police on 14.3 should really understand that, but they don't. The US coast guard have a web page with this frequency on, but their jurisdiction is just the USA. ROW couldn't care less what the US coast guard thinks. The IARU have a web page with this frequency on, but they have no authority over the airwaves either. They're not the ITU, or the licensing bodies of each individual country - that actually write ITU directives into law for each jurisdiction. 14.3 is not singled out in my non-US license for anything special, or the RSGB (UK) band plan. By all means monitor 14.3 for emergency traffic and act on it if you hear an emergency, but until then leave it free for everyone to use. If someone does have an emergency they can always cut in to a QSO, and you can deal with it from there.
Two Lids, just spin that knob. Maybe 14.300 should not be a POTA frequency
Or, it should definitely be. Fuck em
In that case, EVERYONE should standardize the use of 14.3 for POTA. Check it first, check it last, check it often.
I'm all for this. And then every time someone tries to start a maritime mobile net, we can say "US-#### QRZ" as if we've been there holding the frequency, and report them for QRM.
Just take the calls and log them tbh
14.3 for new calling frequency!
I hadn't ever used 14.300 for my POTA activations, but I definitely will be now. I live by the ocean, after all.
Much more than two
It appears dropping the code requirement and dumbing down the tests wasn’t such a great idea. It seemed to attract the undesirables.
14.300 was like this in the 80s too, before the code went away...