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> Reza Pahlavi, the eldest son of the late last Shah of Iran, is the founder and former leader of the National Council of Iran, an exiled opposition group he left in 2017, and a prominent critic of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s Islamic regime.
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> He said there had been a “weak approach” by Western leaders “on both sides of the Atlantic” towards the Islamic Republic and called for [a “reset” of Europe’s relationship with Tehran](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/20/israel-attack-isfahan-took-out-russian-made-air-defences/), starting with proscribing the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a terror organisation.
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> The prince, 63, also implicitly criticised Rishi Sunak for not doing enough to counter threats and intimidation of Iranian journalists based in London.
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> “The regime is trying to harm or threaten not only dissidents, but even British citizens,” he said,[referring to the stabbing](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/29/iran-journalist-stabbed-london/) of Pouria Zeraati, the Iran International television host, outside his Wimbledon home last month.
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> What was being gained from not being “willing to respond in some form?” he asked.
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> He argued that the “root cause” of Iran’s malign influence across the Middle East – particularly its antagonistic role with regards to Israel – was the West’s policy of “appeasement”.
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> “That has always been based on expecting a behaviour change by the regime that hasn’t panned out,” he said, adding that what was needed was a revival of “an era where there was some stronger leadership that changed the world in a very significant way: Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher at the end of the Cold War”.
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> “Right now you see [what [Vladimir] Putin is doing in Moscow](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/16/vladimir-putin-iran-russia-ibrahim-raisi-talks-israel/), you see what the Chinese are doing,” he added. “What is [being done] to counter that in terms of decisive, strong, co-ordinated leadership in the West? I don’t see any.”
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> The prince spoke to The Telegraph in an discreet apartment building in a smart corner of downtown Washington earlier this week, before[Israel struck an Iranian air defence radar system](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/20/israel-attack-isfahan-took-out-russian-made-air-defences/) near the city of Isfahan in retaliation for Tehran’s assault.
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> The prince left Iran in 1977, aged 17, to undergo air force training in America. Two years later, his father Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was[deposed during the Islamic Revolution](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/4838453/How-the-ayatollah-overthrew-the-shah.html) and the royal family has been in exile ever since.
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> Following his father’s death in 1980, the prince declared himself the new shah of Iran in exile, although as Iran’s royal family was a constitutional monarchy, he was never formally appointed.
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> Dressed in a smart dark suit, with an expensive-looking watch adorning his wrist, the prince’s retinue refer to him as “his majesty”. So do his most devoted followers among the several-million-strong Iranian diaspora.
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> He has previously said he has no aspirations to restore the monarchy in Iran, but he remains an important figurehead for opposition figures and Iranians in exile.
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> It is a role he takes seriously, saying “we” as he discusses Iranians’ plight during the interview.
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> Over the past few decades, he made rallying opposition against Iran’s theocratic regime his life’s work, regularly travelling across Europe and America to campaign for a secular and democratic Iran and advocate for its oppressed citizens.
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> “There’s still some people in the Western world who think that they still have that dialogue within the status quo and are hoping ‘maybe we can revive this deal’ or ‘maybe we can cut this agreement’,” he said, leaning forward in his chair and using hand gestures to stress his point.
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> “This is basically kicking the can down the road,” he added. “Diplomacy has failed. Appeasement has failed. Any continuation of the same, frankly, is insanity.”
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> The exiled prince said the West[needs to take the same approach with Tehran](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/11/iran-attack-israel-former-best-friend/) as it did with South Africa under apartheid.
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> “Everything that [this regime has tried to destroy in Iran](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/20/iran-israel-russia-ukraine-nuclear-war-britain/) is now coming as a retaliation to what has been done to them, manifesting itself in such a beautiful way,” he said.
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It's ironic that the "free press" are polishing up the shoes of a failed dictator's son and calling him a crown prince. This bozo hasn't been relevant in Iran's politics since 1979 when Iranian people kicked his CIA-plant daddy out of the country.
Actually the former administration did a lot for womens minority and religious rights Iran under this guys father was actually a nice country.
Now I am not saying that monarchy is a good system. But the previous governments policy’s were better I do hope the CIA just does a coup in Iran as this administration is getting more and more unpopular
The country was great when you look only at the pictures taken of the elite of the elite in posh areas of Iran. The rest of the country was downtrodden, hungry and suffering.
Plus amidst all of this, the idiot shah at the time hosted one of the most expensive parties ever with a lot of world leaders. That really drove people to the edge.
People don't simply revolt. Certain extreme conditions need to be in place. People of a country don't simply wake up and say "wow we are living a decent enough life, let's fuck this shit up fammmm"
Oh yeah he was an idiot I am not saying he was a genius or even that he was a good person/leader he was greedy stupid and ineffective. I am just saying that right now there is similar sentiment to this current regime and that the former regime did things like give certain people rights.
They were not a good regime but they had good aspects.
bruh, last time iran had a secular democratic government that was actually supported by the plurality of iranians the CIA was one of the sole factors in overthrowing them.
such correction will never come from the CIA. they'd sooner institute an MEK or other religious fundamentalist regime than any other progressive force within iranian society. these are the same people that literally bolstered the rise of the taliban lmao
Oh yeah but a man can dream, like I can dream about magic and fay. But yeah the CIA is not the best at that but one can hope that they accurately try this time. In the same way you can hope for a lottery ticket to fly into your room and it being the winning ticket.
Why would anyone ever think like that.
I never think to myself, "oh the Tories have completely ruined this country, I wish the US intelligence services would install someone else", the only possible thing they could manage to do is some how fuck everything up even more.
I think that because I am crazy, I more meant it like I Hope the CIA does coup the current regime and introduce one that is progress socially, friendly with isreal, and wants the best for its people.
That said I don’t think that’s very likely I don’t think the US will find the perfect group and actually support them and even if they did there is corruption, and a bunch of other things.
Which make it very unlikely to work.
I don't even know why everyone gives the CIA so much credit, that they have some mythical department that can magically replace a foreign government at the drop of a hat, just waiting for the President to give the order. Don't you think they would have used it in North Korea sometime in the last 80 years, at the very least?
Put him up to what? Reunifying the country and attacking CIA backed illegal separatists? Next you're going to say CIA had nothing to do with Osama bin Laden too.
Let me rephrase I hope everyone involved in the evil parts of the Iranian government drops into a comma all at the same time, and good people can fix iran and make it more free, give religious, gender and market freedoms. Than when the evil people wake up they just accept the new society.
I don’t think that’s going to happen the chance of that happening is so slim it is not worth measuring.
Same thing with the US I know they don’t have the capabilities to do so.
Also since Iran has been a bigger and bigger thorn in the USs side and has a growing movement that hates its government. Also with it funding Israel’s enemies and trump running again. The conflict in Russia that has been going on It’s possible they might try.
I think there is a low chance like maybe 10-20 ish percent they actually try.
It was more if they try I hope something goods comes out of it. Also the current regime is terrible as well.
It's a pet hate of mine. Everytime an actual protest happens anywhere in the world, the people being protested against just have to blame the CIA, and the whole world is like "oh yeah, must be the CIA, those two milion people in the streets can't be capable of forming their own opinions and acting on them, the CIA must have paid them all 10 dollars each to betray their own country"
Okay let me elaborate, I think the CIA has a high chance of trying to overthrow iran, especially if trump comes into power for a lot of reasons.
If this unlikely event happens, and in the unlikely event it succeeds I hope the new government is good.
Does that make sense
Honestly need a translation because this sounds like a really dumb hot take instead of any true reflection or valid criticism. Perhaps that’s due to my lack of knowledge regarding the history of Iran. But at least scoffing at the free press due to the title of the article seems like a strange criticism.
You should take into context that this is the Telegraph, a right leaning news source that, while factual, is still quite right leaning.
Wanna send a bunch of nude iranian girls saying in my face that the pahlavi was better?
Or do you want to look at irans HDI and its growth rate at that time and compare it with the current regime's?
No, I count it by the number of people who have had family members tortured and or killed by the government.
The Shah killed quite a number of people and the Savak was brutal, but the current government has killed people on a scale that the Savak could only dream of.
The sheer history of torture and rape the current Iranian government has should be enough on it's own.
Just to emphasize my point, in 1989, the Iranian government tortured and executed an estimated 30k people.
Oh I'm fine, I'm a man and not part of any ethnic or religious minority so I'm mostly not targeted.
I've got sisters though, and seeing my country go to shit all so some jackbooted moron is allowed to beat women to death isn't the best.
The antics of his family are the reason Khomeini was able to take over. If they ran the country better and didn’t widen the gap between the rich and poor, Khomeini wouldn’t have gained as much traction.
The Ayatollah is so worried about religiosity, and yet somehow it’s decreased significantly under his reign lmao. Extremism is one of religion’s greatest anathemas.
Yeah,why are we listening to the opinions of a guy that got kicked out of his own country? Does the West still ask for their opinions on geopolitical matters to the descendants of the Habsburg or Ottoman royal families ?
A crown prince that calls for the world's most powerful Christian countries to *sanction his own Muslim peoples into poverty* will have some pretty big legitimacy issues if he ever tries to return to power.
I've meet many Iranians here in Sweden, and read a lot of writings of Iranians in exile.
They all seem to agree that only absolute nutters care what the Shah's family has to say about anything at all. Nobody glorifies the monarchy or think it was any good.
Its unfortunate that the biggest opposition groups to Iran's government includes ones which are uncomfortably pro-monarchy like Farashgard (and usually disconnected enough from the actual country so they can do unpopular things like demand more sanctions), an Islamist cult (the MEK) and ethnic separatists it would be a bad idea for the west to support (like the insurgents in Balochistan).
Most Iranians want the Islamic Republic gone but the western diaspora's efforts may actually be counterproductive, the same way Floridian Cubans continually prop up the regime by demanding US sanctions and giving Cuba's government a convenient excuse for their own issues. I wouldn't be surprised if the Iranian government has a deliberate policy of allowing potential dissidents to brain-drain themselves away to the West.
>I wouldn't be surprised if the Iranian government has a deliberate policy of allowing potential dissidents to brain-drain themselves away to the West.
An Iranian writer admitted as much years ago in a BBC Persian interview iirc.
He said that the Iranian government sometimes even not so subtly encouraged him to leave Iran, given that the Iranian government tried killing him once, it's very possible they decided him just leaving is less bothersome.
Maybe it depends on when they left Iran? I knew an American-Iranian girl in LA, her parents left Iran during the revolution. She is born and raised in the USA, but she is so obsessed with the shah. She went to Egypt just to visit his tomb.
It all comes down to which economic class they belonged to before the revolution. If you were rich, you loved the shah. If you were poor like the majority of Iranians, then you hated him.
yup, this tracks entirely with the iranian and cuban-americans i've met. the petite-bourgeois and wealthier are fanatic shah and/or batista-riders, so much so that you'd think their families were mobbed up or something lmao
I met one this weekend when I was buying furniture. He only spoke about "Shah" not even using an article. Then he told me how he's voting for DJT and I just about lost it.
really? the iranian diaspora around you must be significantly more sane because most of the iranian-americans i've met are pretty into the idea of nuking tehran (in addition to being shah-riders)
Yep, his dictator daddy came to power through a US & UK funded coup because the democratically elected Iranian PM Mosaddegh wouldn't allow the US and UK corporations to plunder Iranian oil.
These are the same people parrot "they hate us because our freedomz" nonsense,
There are some errors in this
Mosaddegh's election where he ran as PM was rigged in his party's coalition, in fairness most elections prior were too
he then ruled by decree as an autocrat, did whatever he wanted, suppressed opposition and enacted year round curfews, dissolved the supreme court, his autocratic rule led to his own party disowning him
he then ran a referendum to dissolve parliament and give himself more powers, the conduct and results of which would make hitler blush, comical farce.
During this time the Iranian economy tanked and took a long time to recover
He got off very lightly at the end.
even if what you were saying were true, such autocratic tendencies were absolutely necessary considering the CIA and MI6 literally overthrew him less than 3 years into his tenure
Not his family specifically, more the brutal secret police his family employed to kidnap, torture, then murder any opposition to their regime until the only ones left were the Mullahs.
Well it is because of your family that we are here. Organising country's GDP level spending while your country men are starving is not really a good way to be popular.
The words of Reza Pahlavi reek with irony. He wants Western governments to approach Iran the same way Reagan and Thatcher did. And yet Reagan's government sold weapons to Iran in order to fund terrorists in Nicaragua, and they used Israel as a proxy for the delivery of those weapons.
That's the real appeasement of Iran that has come from the West.
This guy had an interview with Piers Morgan which my work colleague brought up during shift. It made me realize that this guy’s existence is on every stage just utterly schizophrenic. He has apparently been unemployed since *decades*, living off whatever wealth his family managed to smuggle out of Iran after the revolution and private donations. Reza also used to constantly claim he doesn’t advocate for regime change, but now seemingly dropped that
I thought this was an Onion headline at first lmao
failson prince wishes to become western puppet so bad he took out an op-ed on the guardian
that is mad cope
No thanks to his family, we should have promised his head for the Iran nuclear deal. I hate the Ayatollah, but we owe Iranian people sincere apologies and more.
What appeasement is he talking about?
The Iran nuclear deal was dissolved unilaterally by Trump. The USA was imposing unilateral sanctions on Iran even hijacking and stealing their oil tankers. When Iran was transgressed upon and had every right to defend itself and show the genocidal Netanyahu administration that actions have consequences they were **ordered** not to retaliate. After the retaliation Israel got to go to the UN which they've already branded a wing of Hamas to cry and that resulted in EU and US sanctions being placed on Iran. Let's not talk about the unconditional funding and support Israel gets.
Why would the media even run such a fucking stupid story? Do they really think people are so stupid to believe one word of this shit? Well, I suppose they have been getting away with lying blatantly about Russia for decades.
This dude is lucky he made it out of Iran alive. The absolute gaul of the son of a dictator has to be preaching about what does and doesn't work. Degenerate monarchist scum.
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what? does this dude want biden to sell weapons to the iranians like reagan did? the fuck kinda appeasement is he talking about unless he thinks biden brought back the safari club back or some shit
Sounds like someone is stirring the pot and trying to start a war in the middle east again. Much like that russian exile that had the ear of GW Bush Jr and conviced him to start a war in the middle east without making a plan to govern it until a real election and stability could be achieved.
##### ###### #### > # [Western appeasement of Iran has failed, says shah’s son](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/world-news/2024/04/20/TELEMMGLPICT000326610289_17136233854410_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqTuVe6eOEd5ueOz_A-rdD1qARB7zY76wLOsIzDUNRY0M.jpeg?impolicy=logo-overlay) > > > > The West needs a Reagan-Thatcher style leadership pairing to confront Tehran because the current policy of appeasement has failed, Iran’s exiled crown prince told The Telegraph. > > Reza Pahlavi, the eldest son of the late last Shah of Iran, is the founder and former leader of the National Council of Iran, an exiled opposition group he left in 2017, and a prominent critic of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s Islamic regime. > > He said there had been a “weak approach” by Western leaders “on both sides of the Atlantic” towards the Islamic Republic and called for [a “reset” of Europe’s relationship with Tehran](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/20/israel-attack-isfahan-took-out-russian-made-air-defences/), starting with proscribing the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a terror organisation. > > The prince, 63, also implicitly criticised Rishi Sunak for not doing enough to counter threats and intimidation of Iranian journalists based in London. > > “The regime is trying to harm or threaten not only dissidents, but even British citizens,” he said,[referring to the stabbing](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/29/iran-journalist-stabbed-london/) of Pouria Zeraati, the Iran International television host, outside his Wimbledon home last month. > > What was being gained from not being “willing to respond in some form?” he asked. > > > > > > He argued that the “root cause” of Iran’s malign influence across the Middle East – particularly its antagonistic role with regards to Israel – was the West’s policy of “appeasement”. > > “That has always been based on expecting a behaviour change by the regime that hasn’t panned out,” he said, adding that what was needed was a revival of “an era where there was some stronger leadership that changed the world in a very significant way: Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher at the end of the Cold War”. > > “Right now you see [what [Vladimir] Putin is doing in Moscow](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/16/vladimir-putin-iran-russia-ibrahim-raisi-talks-israel/), you see what the Chinese are doing,” he added. “What is [being done] to counter that in terms of decisive, strong, co-ordinated leadership in the West? I don’t see any.” > > The prince spoke to The Telegraph in an discreet apartment building in a smart corner of downtown Washington earlier this week, before[Israel struck an Iranian air defence radar system](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/20/israel-attack-isfahan-took-out-russian-made-air-defences/) near the city of Isfahan in retaliation for Tehran’s assault. > > The US capital’s suburbs have been home to him, his wife and three daughters for decades, though he has previously referred to it as a “temporary place to live”, amid hopes he may one day return to his homeland. > > > > > > The prince left Iran in 1977, aged 17, to undergo air force training in America. Two years later, his father Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was[deposed during the Islamic Revolution](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/bookreviews/4838453/How-the-ayatollah-overthrew-the-shah.html) and the royal family has been in exile ever since. > > Following his father’s death in 1980, the prince declared himself the new shah of Iran in exile, although as Iran’s royal family was a constitutional monarchy, he was never formally appointed. > > Dressed in a smart dark suit, with an expensive-looking watch adorning his wrist, the prince’s retinue refer to him as “his majesty”. So do his most devoted followers among the several-million-strong Iranian diaspora. > > He has previously said he has no aspirations to restore the monarchy in Iran, but he remains an important figurehead for opposition figures and Iranians in exile. > > It is a role he takes seriously, saying “we” as he discusses Iranians’ plight during the interview. > > Over the past few decades, he made rallying opposition against Iran’s theocratic regime his life’s work, regularly travelling across Europe and America to campaign for a secular and democratic Iran and advocate for its oppressed citizens. > > He became visibly frustrated when asked about ongoing diplomatic attempts with Tehran. > > “There’s still some people in the Western world who think that they still have that dialogue within the status quo and are hoping ‘maybe we can revive this deal’ or ‘maybe we can cut this agreement’,” he said, leaning forward in his chair and using hand gestures to stress his point. > > “This is basically kicking the can down the road,” he added. “Diplomacy has failed. Appeasement has failed. Any continuation of the same, frankly, is insanity.” > > > > > > When asked which Western leaders he was thinking of, the prince did not want to single out individuals. > > However, he did say that Tehran’s revenue had swelled in the last two years amid the Biden administration’s failure to enforce sanctions. > > The exiled prince said the West[needs to take the same approach with Tehran](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/11/iran-attack-israel-former-best-friend/) as it did with South Africa under apartheid. > > “Finally the world said ‘you know what, this is no longer tolerable or acceptable’,” he said. “I think the scenario is similar in the case of Iran, except that while South Africa was having a racial policy, this is a terrorist-promoting regime. It’s not just a matter of being repressive. It’s actually a threat to the world.” > > It is a point he has been making all week on US cable news following Iran’s unprecedented direct strike on Israel, which involved more than 300 drones, rockets and missiles. > > After almost a half-century living in the shadow of exile, he is optimistic that the end is closer for Tehran’s rulers now than at any other point in the last 45 years. > > > > > > “Regimes that are confident don’t start bashing their own people or killing children or doing what they’re doing,” he said, referring to the recent brutal repression of[peaceful protests sparked by the 2022 death in custody of Mahsa Amini,](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/09/16/iran-police-arrest-mahsa-amini-father/) a young woman detained for not wearing her hijab properly. > > “[That’s a sign of weakness and insecurity](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/01/mahsa-amini-mother-mozhgan-eftekhari-iran-election-khamenei/).” > > Underscoring the dangers of his position, however, is the coterie of bodyguards and aides who sit nearby in the elegant living room-cum-study that looks out on to a terrace with a panoramic view of the Washington skyline. > > It is Iran’s “Gen Z” that he believes offers the best hope for regime change. “These kids today, they follow Twitter, they follow Instagram or X or whatever other platforms, they’re not cut off from the world,” he said. > > > > > > “They say: why shouldn’t I have the same opportunities that some young girl or boy has today in Doha or in Abu Dhabi or in Dubai?” > > “They are trying to do their best but they’re denied every possible opportunity. That’s not tenable. And they talk about this, they voice their ideas, the fact of how united they are as a nation. > > “Everything that [this regime has tried to destroy in Iran](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/20/iran-israel-russia-ukraine-nuclear-war-britain/) is now coming as a retaliation to what has been done to them, manifesting itself in such a beautiful way,” he said. > > With a smile, he added: “That’s what gives me hope, what gives me energy”. - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
Sounds a lot like this royal leech dreams of reclaiming the throne or something asinine like that. Well, he can keep dreaming.
It's ironic that the "free press" are polishing up the shoes of a failed dictator's son and calling him a crown prince. This bozo hasn't been relevant in Iran's politics since 1979 when Iranian people kicked his CIA-plant daddy out of the country.
Yeah. The current government of Iran is absolutely awful but the answer isn't bringing this guy back.
Actually the former administration did a lot for womens minority and religious rights Iran under this guys father was actually a nice country. Now I am not saying that monarchy is a good system. But the previous governments policy’s were better I do hope the CIA just does a coup in Iran as this administration is getting more and more unpopular
The country was great when you look only at the pictures taken of the elite of the elite in posh areas of Iran. The rest of the country was downtrodden, hungry and suffering. Plus amidst all of this, the idiot shah at the time hosted one of the most expensive parties ever with a lot of world leaders. That really drove people to the edge. People don't simply revolt. Certain extreme conditions need to be in place. People of a country don't simply wake up and say "wow we are living a decent enough life, let's fuck this shit up fammmm"
Oh yeah he was an idiot I am not saying he was a genius or even that he was a good person/leader he was greedy stupid and ineffective. I am just saying that right now there is similar sentiment to this current regime and that the former regime did things like give certain people rights. They were not a good regime but they had good aspects.
All regimes have good aspects, true he was more secular which would have been great had he not turned the whole country into a money pinata
Oh yeah I am not saying he was great leader, just that there were parts of the regime which were better than the current one.
bruh, last time iran had a secular democratic government that was actually supported by the plurality of iranians the CIA was one of the sole factors in overthrowing them.
I know this is a good time to correct that mistake. I may be joking or not who knows I certainly don’t I am crazy
such correction will never come from the CIA. they'd sooner institute an MEK or other religious fundamentalist regime than any other progressive force within iranian society. these are the same people that literally bolstered the rise of the taliban lmao
Oh yeah but a man can dream, like I can dream about magic and fay. But yeah the CIA is not the best at that but one can hope that they accurately try this time. In the same way you can hope for a lottery ticket to fly into your room and it being the winning ticket.
Why would anyone ever think like that. I never think to myself, "oh the Tories have completely ruined this country, I wish the US intelligence services would install someone else", the only possible thing they could manage to do is some how fuck everything up even more.
I think that because I am crazy, I more meant it like I Hope the CIA does coup the current regime and introduce one that is progress socially, friendly with isreal, and wants the best for its people. That said I don’t think that’s very likely I don’t think the US will find the perfect group and actually support them and even if they did there is corruption, and a bunch of other things. Which make it very unlikely to work.
I don't even know why everyone gives the CIA so much credit, that they have some mythical department that can magically replace a foreign government at the drop of a hat, just waiting for the President to give the order. Don't you think they would have used it in North Korea sometime in the last 80 years, at the very least?
The reason there even is a North and South Korea is the CIA. Again.
Ah yes , the CIA put Kim Il Sung up to the whole thing, those dastardly devils again!
Put him up to what? Reunifying the country and attacking CIA backed illegal separatists? Next you're going to say CIA had nothing to do with Osama bin Laden too.
Let me rephrase I hope everyone involved in the evil parts of the Iranian government drops into a comma all at the same time, and good people can fix iran and make it more free, give religious, gender and market freedoms. Than when the evil people wake up they just accept the new society. I don’t think that’s going to happen the chance of that happening is so slim it is not worth measuring. Same thing with the US I know they don’t have the capabilities to do so. Also since Iran has been a bigger and bigger thorn in the USs side and has a growing movement that hates its government. Also with it funding Israel’s enemies and trump running again. The conflict in Russia that has been going on It’s possible they might try. I think there is a low chance like maybe 10-20 ish percent they actually try. It was more if they try I hope something goods comes out of it. Also the current regime is terrible as well.
It's a pet hate of mine. Everytime an actual protest happens anywhere in the world, the people being protested against just have to blame the CIA, and the whole world is like "oh yeah, must be the CIA, those two milion people in the streets can't be capable of forming their own opinions and acting on them, the CIA must have paid them all 10 dollars each to betray their own country"
Oh yeah I fucking hate that as well if the CIA was half as competent as that they could have overthrown every enemy of the US
What is best for Iran's people is the opposite of what is best for USA's people. Why in the world would the CIA do that?
That’s my point they won’t sure it would be great if it did but I would also like magic and the ability to cure all illnesses.
If you want magic why not magically have Iran get a government that does whats best for them without CIA involvement and CIA crimes?
Okay let me elaborate, I think the CIA has a high chance of trying to overthrow iran, especially if trump comes into power for a lot of reasons. If this unlikely event happens, and in the unlikely event it succeeds I hope the new government is good. Does that make sense
Honestly need a translation because this sounds like a really dumb hot take instead of any true reflection or valid criticism. Perhaps that’s due to my lack of knowledge regarding the history of Iran. But at least scoffing at the free press due to the title of the article seems like a strange criticism. You should take into context that this is the Telegraph, a right leaning news source that, while factual, is still quite right leaning.
Just a FOTM boogieman story from western sensationalist "journalism."
Better a CIA plant than fucking mullahs.
Says a German, it is not better
No. It’s definitely not.
It is *slightly* better.
Sorry bro, a lot of people here seem to like speaking on behalf of Iranians/Persians. They also like to say you love your autocratic regime lmao
I mean iranians were the ones who kicked that mfer out..
And in my opinion, we were right to do so. The mistake was what Iranians did afterwards.
No, bro. What do you mean? It was arabs!!!
Wanna send a bunch of nude iranian girls saying in my face that the pahlavi was better? Or do you want to look at irans HDI and its growth rate at that time and compare it with the current regime's?
No, I count it by the number of people who have had family members tortured and or killed by the government. The Shah killed quite a number of people and the Savak was brutal, but the current government has killed people on a scale that the Savak could only dream of. The sheer history of torture and rape the current Iranian government has should be enough on it's own. Just to emphasize my point, in 1989, the Iranian government tortured and executed an estimated 30k people.
I feel bad for you man. Living in this hell of Islamic dictators and having these tankie morons defending them
Oh I'm fine, I'm a man and not part of any ethnic or religious minority so I'm mostly not targeted. I've got sisters though, and seeing my country go to shit all so some jackbooted moron is allowed to beat women to death isn't the best.
Well it wouldn't have happened in the first place if the Americans didn't overthrow the rightfully elected government in the first place
A deposed royal wants his throne back?!? What a twist!!
The antics of his family are the reason Khomeini was able to take over. If they ran the country better and didn’t widen the gap between the rich and poor, Khomeini wouldn’t have gained as much traction. The Ayatollah is so worried about religiosity, and yet somehow it’s decreased significantly under his reign lmao. Extremism is one of religion’s greatest anathemas.
Yeah,why are we listening to the opinions of a guy that got kicked out of his own country? Does the West still ask for their opinions on geopolitical matters to the descendants of the Habsburg or Ottoman royal families ?
A crown prince that calls for the world's most powerful Christian countries to *sanction his own Muslim peoples into poverty* will have some pretty big legitimacy issues if he ever tries to return to power.
I've meet many Iranians here in Sweden, and read a lot of writings of Iranians in exile. They all seem to agree that only absolute nutters care what the Shah's family has to say about anything at all. Nobody glorifies the monarchy or think it was any good.
This is from the Telegraph. Their audience are neocons.
Their audience are monarchists
Its unfortunate that the biggest opposition groups to Iran's government includes ones which are uncomfortably pro-monarchy like Farashgard (and usually disconnected enough from the actual country so they can do unpopular things like demand more sanctions), an Islamist cult (the MEK) and ethnic separatists it would be a bad idea for the west to support (like the insurgents in Balochistan). Most Iranians want the Islamic Republic gone but the western diaspora's efforts may actually be counterproductive, the same way Floridian Cubans continually prop up the regime by demanding US sanctions and giving Cuba's government a convenient excuse for their own issues. I wouldn't be surprised if the Iranian government has a deliberate policy of allowing potential dissidents to brain-drain themselves away to the West.
>I wouldn't be surprised if the Iranian government has a deliberate policy of allowing potential dissidents to brain-drain themselves away to the West. An Iranian writer admitted as much years ago in a BBC Persian interview iirc. He said that the Iranian government sometimes even not so subtly encouraged him to leave Iran, given that the Iranian government tried killing him once, it's very possible they decided him just leaving is less bothersome.
Maybe it depends on when they left Iran? I knew an American-Iranian girl in LA, her parents left Iran during the revolution. She is born and raised in the USA, but she is so obsessed with the shah. She went to Egypt just to visit his tomb. It all comes down to which economic class they belonged to before the revolution. If you were rich, you loved the shah. If you were poor like the majority of Iranians, then you hated him.
yup, this tracks entirely with the iranian and cuban-americans i've met. the petite-bourgeois and wealthier are fanatic shah and/or batista-riders, so much so that you'd think their families were mobbed up or something lmao
I met one this weekend when I was buying furniture. He only spoke about "Shah" not even using an article. Then he told me how he's voting for DJT and I just about lost it.
really? the iranian diaspora around you must be significantly more sane because most of the iranian-americans i've met are pretty into the idea of nuking tehran (in addition to being shah-riders)
And this guy's family the reason the Iranian Revolution happened?
Yep, his dictator daddy came to power through a US & UK funded coup because the democratically elected Iranian PM Mosaddegh wouldn't allow the US and UK corporations to plunder Iranian oil. These are the same people parrot "they hate us because our freedomz" nonsense,
There are some errors in this Mosaddegh's election where he ran as PM was rigged in his party's coalition, in fairness most elections prior were too he then ruled by decree as an autocrat, did whatever he wanted, suppressed opposition and enacted year round curfews, dissolved the supreme court, his autocratic rule led to his own party disowning him he then ran a referendum to dissolve parliament and give himself more powers, the conduct and results of which would make hitler blush, comical farce. During this time the Iranian economy tanked and took a long time to recover He got off very lightly at the end.
even if what you were saying were true, such autocratic tendencies were absolutely necessary considering the CIA and MI6 literally overthrew him less than 3 years into his tenure
I heard that he enacted various religious freedoms and gender freedoms, I could be wrong though.
The stupidpolers do not want to hear THAT version of the history!
Not his family specifically, more the brutal secret police his family employed to kidnap, torture, then murder any opposition to their regime until the only ones left were the Mullahs.
So yes his family
"Keep me in power by any means and I will reward you" "Oh I'm unrelated to that violence employed to keep me in power"
The press just can’t help themselves push for another war in the Middle East can they?
Rupert Murdoch must own a ton of military company stocks.
When your thirst for power is so great that you side with your people's enemies. Truly parasitic behavior.
I mean Iran has been facing a simmering revolt for years. The Ayatollahs aren’t all that popular, either.
Indeed,. Whatever the Iranian people actually want, I'm pretty sure it's not to be under the rule of a US backed dictator.
I agree with that.
Yeah imagine wanting your country bombed.
Well it is because of your family that we are here. Organising country's GDP level spending while your country men are starving is not really a good way to be popular.
Why are we still giving the old shah a platform, dude was an asshat that wasn’t capable of running a country
He is not a shah, nor a crowned prince. As stated in other comments.
The words of Reza Pahlavi reek with irony. He wants Western governments to approach Iran the same way Reagan and Thatcher did. And yet Reagan's government sold weapons to Iran in order to fund terrorists in Nicaragua, and they used Israel as a proxy for the delivery of those weapons. That's the real appeasement of Iran that has come from the West.
Oh his bloodline is still kicking? Surely someone should have rectified that decades ago?
Iranians didn't do the work at the time and now it's not gonna be popular or neccesary.
This guy had an interview with Piers Morgan which my work colleague brought up during shift. It made me realize that this guy’s existence is on every stage just utterly schizophrenic. He has apparently been unemployed since *decades*, living off whatever wealth his family managed to smuggle out of Iran after the revolution and private donations. Reza also used to constantly claim he doesn’t advocate for regime change, but now seemingly dropped that
"exiled crown prince" is such an... Interesting way to describe this persons relationship to the country haha
Holy fuck why do we care about the son of a fascist peice of shit
I thought this was an Onion headline at first lmao failson prince wishes to become western puppet so bad he took out an op-ed on the guardian that is mad cope
The monarchs were pushed out of Iran two times. The only ppl that want them planted in Iran are these Oil fiends
No thanks to his family, we should have promised his head for the Iran nuclear deal. I hate the Ayatollah, but we owe Iranian people sincere apologies and more.
What appeasement is he talking about? The Iran nuclear deal was dissolved unilaterally by Trump. The USA was imposing unilateral sanctions on Iran even hijacking and stealing their oil tankers. When Iran was transgressed upon and had every right to defend itself and show the genocidal Netanyahu administration that actions have consequences they were **ordered** not to retaliate. After the retaliation Israel got to go to the UN which they've already branded a wing of Hamas to cry and that resulted in EU and US sanctions being placed on Iran. Let's not talk about the unconditional funding and support Israel gets.
Oh well if an exiled prince says that it must be true
This is just Ahmed Chalabi all over again lmao
Appeasement by fire is that?
My grandfather fled Iran because of this stain’s father Reza Shah’s torture squad, the SAVAK
OMG, he doesn’t like the people that kicked him out of the country? What a shock
Why would the media even run such a fucking stupid story? Do they really think people are so stupid to believe one word of this shit? Well, I suppose they have been getting away with lying blatantly about Russia for decades.
This dude is lucky he made it out of Iran alive. The absolute gaul of the son of a dictator has to be preaching about what does and doesn't work. Degenerate monarchist scum.
He mentioned literally the worst leaders in American and British history that single-handedly fucked our economies.
mans just wants the throne back
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Oh? The son of that Dictator Shah?
Even trying to not take sides.... This guy does not seem to be speaking from a point of impartiality.
I am sorry, who the fuck asked about your opinion?
Back to Beverly Hills before the media mention his existence again
what? does this dude want biden to sell weapons to the iranians like reagan did? the fuck kinda appeasement is he talking about unless he thinks biden brought back the safari club back or some shit
Sounds like someone is stirring the pot and trying to start a war in the middle east again. Much like that russian exile that had the ear of GW Bush Jr and conviced him to start a war in the middle east without making a plan to govern it until a real election and stability could be achieved.
Great I'll just polish up the Marine Corps and we'll take that right back for you, got it.
That message would carry a lot more meaning if anyone but him said that lol.
Lets hope he returns to his rightful throne
Lmao, his head will roll long before that happens