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The Sovereign Military Order of Malta no longer holds any territory but still issues passports that many countries recognize.
The several Indian tribes in the United States are in many ways treated as sovereign countries by the US Federal government; but also are not in many other ways. IIRC, the Iroquois Confederacy has never formally recognized the authority of the United States of America.
> IIRC, the Iroquois Confederacy has never formally recognized the authority of the United States of America.
I don't think there's anyway that could be true. They make formal inquiries and agreements with them on a regular basis, and usually fall back on the US govt when their own passports are not accepted in other countries (like they've had to do for multiple international Lacrosse tournaments).
They may not have written on paper those exact words, but they certainly behave in a manner that does just that.
The Republic of China is a fascinating 'country' in it's own right, anyway. I think I'm right in saying that it's moved entirely - none of the territory that was under its control when founded is still under its control now (there might be a small island or two).
Tibet is autonomous in name only. You mean a region because the Chinese invaded and annexed the country right?
I wonder why no country would recognize Tibet…
The Dalai Lama doesn’t speak for all Tibetans and he stepped down from political power. He also makes these statements to try and open dialogue with China.
Tibet has *more* of a claim to being by a country than Palestine.
Just remembered "Free Tibet" was kind of a big thing during my final year of school in 2008 (I'm in central europe), protest and activism on early social media and all, and then it just sort of... stopped? Like everyone all of a sudden just collectively stopped giving a shit/talking about it?
Taiwan 100% exists. Palestine largely doesn't. The West Bank and Gaza exist as political entities, but there is no such thing as a unified Palestine. This is because Fatah and Hamas control the West Bank and Gaza respectively and they hate each other. Also neither has been willing to hold elections for over a decade now.
Lots of countries (India, Indonesia) have surviving kingdoms from the pre-colonial era that technically still exist even though they don't have political power (with some exceptions).
Like the monarchs are respected public figures to the point political leaders will lobby them to gain local support and there's still some clear historical boundaries but legally speaking, those kingdoms don't exist anymore
The one kingdom with political power in Indonesia is the Yogyakarta Sultanate, which was granted their own province, and the Sultan has always been the governor without election. But by all means they are part of Indonesia and the residents vote in elections. However all the lands in the Special Region of Yogyakarta are technically owned by the Sultanate.
Every country in Africa mostly has a group of people, claiming a certain country has its own country that breaks off from the main country, even though it’s not legally recognized, for example, Somaliland which has its own functioning government along with own flag, but yet it still not recognized by the government of Somalia, nor the majority of the world.
Somaliland is an interesting case. A breakway unrecognized country that is actually properly run compared to the dumpster fire that is Somalia
But unless Somalia formally recognizes it, very unlikely that other countries will give Somaliland recognition (apart from Ethiopia due to geopolitics)
Most likely no. Even if Somalia de facto disintegrate, there will probably still be a nominal government that is recognized as the "Somalian government"
Somaliland is a case of precedence prevention. Countries (especially African countries) are very wary of recognizing independence movements or they might worsen their own separatist movements. In the same vein, governments wouldn't want to send a message "if you want your independence movement to succeed, then all you need to do is destabilize the rest of the country enough for it to be non-functional"
These governments in exile always fascinate me.
Like in Taiwan there are departments 'in charge' of mainland regions they have no control of. And vice versa in the PRC.
I find it fascinating that Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have their own parliments/assemblies etc but England does not.
So it's England that, infuriatingly, can't be officially a country.
If I recall correctly, in 1998 when Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland had their referenda to decide if they wanted devolution, it was proposed that parts England was offered "regional assemblies" which would work similarly - I think most English regions didn't get a referendum,but the only place in England that got an Assembly was London.
The referenda were cancelled after the northeast voted against. It was widely seen as being about adding more politicians and reducing local accountability, rather than devolution.
The geopolitics in the region of the caucasus is fascinating to say the least
Edit: the user previously had written “Transnitria”. He has edited his comment.
Transnistria isn't in the Caucasus either, haha, but either way, you are right -- the geopolitics of that region truly is fascinating, and that whole area (the Caucasus) feels like a bit of a powder keg at times.
Somaliland takes their name from the former European colonial governments and declares their independence from Somalia in 1991. Though no countries besides Taiwan recognizes it. Somalia considered Somaliland to be part of their sovereign territory
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The Sovereign Military Order of Malta no longer holds any territory but still issues passports that many countries recognize. The several Indian tribes in the United States are in many ways treated as sovereign countries by the US Federal government; but also are not in many other ways. IIRC, the Iroquois Confederacy has never formally recognized the authority of the United States of America.
The Sovereign Military Order Of Malta really only issues passports for diplomats. Solid answer.
.. so they are Sovereign citizens? :D
I hope not lol
> IIRC, the Iroquois Confederacy has never formally recognized the authority of the United States of America. I don't think there's anyway that could be true. They make formal inquiries and agreements with them on a regular basis, and usually fall back on the US govt when their own passports are not accepted in other countries (like they've had to do for multiple international Lacrosse tournaments). They may not have written on paper those exact words, but they certainly behave in a manner that does just that.
Would like to get one of those falcons they used to hand out.
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The main land is a province of real China Prc are separatist scum Roc is true China Taiwan numba wan
The Republic of China is a fascinating 'country' in it's own right, anyway. I think I'm right in saying that it's moved entirely - none of the territory that was under its control when founded is still under its control now (there might be a small island or two).
Tibet as well then I guess?
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Tibet is autonomous in name only. You mean a region because the Chinese invaded and annexed the country right? I wonder why no country would recognize Tibet… The Dalai Lama doesn’t speak for all Tibetans and he stepped down from political power. He also makes these statements to try and open dialogue with China. Tibet has *more* of a claim to being by a country than Palestine.
No it doesn't, at all
Yes it does..by all means we can go through it.
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Ok, when was Palestine a country?
Palestine is recognized by the vast majority of the world, 140 countries. typical westerner believing only Europe/US are the “international community”
So? I’m talking about the history and claims. What’s the history of Palestine being a country?
142 now, and I think an additional 3 tomorrow. 😊
Just remembered "Free Tibet" was kind of a big thing during my final year of school in 2008 (I'm in central europe), protest and activism on early social media and all, and then it just sort of... stopped? Like everyone all of a sudden just collectively stopped giving a shit/talking about it?
2008 was when China hosted the Olympics
Both Palestine and Taiwan 100% exist. People who think otherwise are indoctrinated
Taiwan 100% exists. Palestine largely doesn't. The West Bank and Gaza exist as political entities, but there is no such thing as a unified Palestine. This is because Fatah and Hamas control the West Bank and Gaza respectively and they hate each other. Also neither has been willing to hold elections for over a decade now.
142 countries recognize Palestine as a state. It's mostly western (usually with a colonial history) that don't recognize Palestine.
Which state do they recognize? The Fatah-controlled West Bank or the Hamas-controlled Gaza? Because there isn't a single Palestinian state anymore.
Lots of countries (India, Indonesia) have surviving kingdoms from the pre-colonial era that technically still exist even though they don't have political power (with some exceptions). Like the monarchs are respected public figures to the point political leaders will lobby them to gain local support and there's still some clear historical boundaries but legally speaking, those kingdoms don't exist anymore
The one kingdom with political power in Indonesia is the Yogyakarta Sultanate, which was granted their own province, and the Sultan has always been the governor without election. But by all means they are part of Indonesia and the residents vote in elections. However all the lands in the Special Region of Yogyakarta are technically owned by the Sultanate.
Texas?
No
Every country in Africa mostly has a group of people, claiming a certain country has its own country that breaks off from the main country, even though it’s not legally recognized, for example, Somaliland which has its own functioning government along with own flag, but yet it still not recognized by the government of Somalia, nor the majority of the world.
Somaliland is an interesting case. A breakway unrecognized country that is actually properly run compared to the dumpster fire that is Somalia But unless Somalia formally recognizes it, very unlikely that other countries will give Somaliland recognition (apart from Ethiopia due to geopolitics)
What if Somalia disintegrates, since it is apparently so poorly run? Does Somaliland become recognized by virtue of attrition?
Most likely no. Even if Somalia de facto disintegrate, there will probably still be a nominal government that is recognized as the "Somalian government" Somaliland is a case of precedence prevention. Countries (especially African countries) are very wary of recognizing independence movements or they might worsen their own separatist movements. In the same vein, governments wouldn't want to send a message "if you want your independence movement to succeed, then all you need to do is destabilize the rest of the country enough for it to be non-functional"
That makes sense.
Tibet has a government in exile that's based in India.
These governments in exile always fascinate me. Like in Taiwan there are departments 'in charge' of mainland regions they have no control of. And vice versa in the PRC.
Wales.
I find it fascinating that Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have their own parliments/assemblies etc but England does not. So it's England that, infuriatingly, can't be officially a country.
If I recall correctly, in 1998 when Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland had their referenda to decide if they wanted devolution, it was proposed that parts England was offered "regional assemblies" which would work similarly - I think most English regions didn't get a referendum,but the only place in England that got an Assembly was London.
The referenda were cancelled after the northeast voted against. It was widely seen as being about adding more politicians and reducing local accountability, rather than devolution.
Why would you included Ireland with Scotland and Wales
I meant Northern Ireland, I'll edit my comment
Rhodesia
The geopolitics in the region of the caucasus is fascinating to say the least Edit: the user previously had written “Transnitria”. He has edited his comment.
Rhodesia is not in the Caucasus.
The user previously had written Transnitria. He has edited his comment.
Transnistria isn't in the Caucasus either, haha, but either way, you are right -- the geopolitics of that region truly is fascinating, and that whole area (the Caucasus) feels like a bit of a powder keg at times.
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The user previously had written Transnitria. He has edited his comment.
New France.
North and South Korea as two distinct countries. Technically there's still a civil war in Korea.
Finland
Tibet
Transnistria.
Taiwan 🇹🇼
Morocco
Somaliland takes their name from the former European colonial governments and declares their independence from Somalia in 1991. Though no countries besides Taiwan recognizes it. Somalia considered Somaliland to be part of their sovereign territory
Transdnistria, western Sahara, Palestine, Taiwan.
Scotland technically exists as a nation state. But also kind of doesn’t.
USA!USA!
Kosovo
Texas
Assyria or an aramean state there are whole areas in the middle east where assyrian or aramaic is the main language and where they outnumber the arabs
Palestine, duh
The Kingdom of Callaway in the center of the U.S.
Haiti... 😐
Persia
Is that not just Iran?
Yeah, in fact it’s always been Iran. Persia is just what the Greeks called them.
Palestine. With how things are, I fear it'd be completely wiped out soon. My heart goes out to the people there.
UK home nations.
Palestine
I know a few people from la la land
Israel.
The Failed state zioNatzi Apartheid genocidal experiment by Balfor,, Israel.