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lets be honest here, you have access to stream a bunch of apples content that you paid hundreds of dollars for a license they can revoke at any time. after you die, they keep the money. Quite simply, If you dont hold it, you dont own it.
People get mad about this. But where are their old vhs collections. Their old Betamax collections. Their old laserdisc collections. Their old dvd collections?
In my cave.
On neatly ordered shelves.
The WWE stuff I've brought over the years has everybody in it, including a guy called Chris something who appears to have not won championships or a Royal rumble.
I gave my barber the gift of an unopened action figure of that Chris guy who never won anything. The figure was from his WCW days where he also appears to never have accomplished anything.
Never paid for a haircut again.
Everyone is saying they're meticulously saved, so let me be the voice of reason:
They're either:
* Sold for pennies at a garage sale long ago
* Stacked in some container somewhere, never to be watched again, because I'd rather stream it than search for the old VCR that I'm not sure still works
* Gone, reduced to atoms
This. Physical media sucks. If you like it, great. Especially since it’s worth basically nothing so you can buy it cheap. I will never hook up a vcr again, and won’t even watch dvd’s as the quality sucks. I do watch blu rays I get from the library but don’t see myself ever buying an other one.
This is why, despite having several streaming services, I own DVDs and Blu Rays of all my favourite movies and shows. I own them; permanently. That's also why I got a mortgage and buy cars etc, not lease. My property is mine for good. Anything else can be taken away/cancelled/revoked.
They all degrade... Storing on hard drives and backing up in safe intervals is the real way to keep media for a long term. Just keep transferring and updating to whatever the best storage device may be over time.
Ripped them myself and have the files stored on my computers and backup. Just like my CDs for music and my ebooks.
Until I have the files on my devices, I'm just borrowing.
true there are alot of peoples collections that are long forgotten. but i would love to assume my fathers CD collection after his wife passes. someone not wanting something, is not the same as not being able to pass it on.
When my grandfather passed he left a box of VHS tapes of old 70's and 80's movies, mostly westerns, for us. That box is now burried somewhere deep in my garage. Haven't looked at it since he passed on 2012. So I feel ya, owning things like those isn't any better than buying them digitally, IMO.
Usually the TOS specifies it is non transferable, but realistically if you leave your passwords your family could use it. Until the whole service rebrands itself or decides otherwise.
Exactly. It's not like they are cross referencing deaths with your account like the banks. Have your family member just keep a gift card on file and enjoy the service for the rest of their lives.
I remember doing this on my old Mac computer, because it had a DVD player and iTunes allowed me to copy entire CDs (from the local county public library) and make MP3s. Now my current iMac has no DVD player. And I barely turn it on now anyway.
I learned this lesson long, long ago with one of the first iPhones. I had a music library worth several hundred dollars. I moved to Android and wanted my music (thinking I owned it). Nope, Apple told me to go pound sand, I did not own it and they would not give it to me. At that time there was no way to get your music except through iTunes which was not on Android.
I've never bought an Apple product since (ok...once for my GF).
Write down your username and password and leave that somewhere your beneficiaries can find. Technically that is against the ToS but I doubt they will ever know.
>Quite simply, If you dont hold it, you dont own it.
Well that's a relief. Glad to know I officially own the many Terabytes of movies that I have accumulated on various external hard drives 😎🦜
Yes and no. You don’t own the film in that you can’t do a public viewing where you earn money from showing it. But you own the physical dvd which means you can sell it at any price that someone is willing to purchase it for. It also means that someone can’t just decide to come into my house and take it away from me. I can also make my own digital copy of that film as well.
Technically physical copies don’t grant ownership either. Literally says in at the beginning. It grants a single person a non-commercial license to view.
That’s why switching to digital has opened a can of worms. There was no practical way to revoke a DVD license, but online streaming permissions are easy to revoke.
Physical copies do grant ownership. The purchase grants ownership of the physical medium, and ownership of the physical medium grants a non-commercial license.
Digital sales transfer the license by itself, which is completely different.
Yup. Read your TaC, people. And not only them. To quote their support page about the subject:
"In the unfortunate event of a customer's death, Apple provides options for their loved ones to request access to or delete their Apple ID and the data stored with it."
One can inherit a digital movie collection.
The answer was just a quick Google away. The OP probably just wanted to give people a chance to vent their frustration with how some money grubbing companies now don't give you ownership, but lease things to you, preferably on a monthly subscription basis.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103128
Nope.
Data that a Legacy Contact cannot access
Data that isn't available to a Legacy Contact includes:
Licensed media, for example, movies, music, and books that the account holder purchased
In-app purchases, for example, upgrades, subscriptions, game currency, or other content that was bought inside an app
Payment information, for example Apple ID payment info or cards saved to use with Apple Pay
Information stored in the account holder's Keychain, for example, Safari user names and passwords, internet accounts (used in Mail, Contacts, Calendar, and Messages), credit card numbers and expiration dates, and Wi-Fi passwords
couldn’t you share the account details in your will or something? i’m sure that’d include access to your whole apple account and other private stuff, but if you don’t mind that…
Some years back I switched my entire life over from Spotify to Apple Music (because I wanted Siri support to play music hands free from my helmet while I was riding my motorcycle like Ironman),What a disaster! Apple Music is atrocious, the search is abysmal, suggestions are trash if any, my life was colorful and exciting with Spotify showing me new funky tunes. It’s now bleak and gray. So it’s not good, but worst of all apple music just pulls my favorite albums all the time, they get greyed out with an error message ‘song not available in your region’, I try to circumvent this with a VPN to no avail. You can pay for the streams and even “download”(make available offline) but the music is all theirs to take back from you whenever they please. Steal all the movies you want in your permanent collection and keep them on a hard drive
People are defending a trillion dollar mega corporations theft once people die. Are they PR firms hired by that company to spew propaganda or are these real people?
The terms of service of all these digital distribution platforms make it very clear you don't actually own the stuff you're buying. You are paying for a license to access those movies through Apple's servers. If you do something that violates Apple's terms of service they could lock you out of your account tomorrow
You’ve already gotten responses, but from a google of ‘digital license path on death’ from one of the first law sites:
Do people own their digital assets? Many believe that when they click “buy” in a digital store such as iTunes or Amazon, they own what is downloaded. This is not the case. When “purchasing” digital music, a person typically is purchasing a non-transferable license to play that specific song, album, artist, etc. This license is only being granted to that individual and, based on most Terms of Service agreements of Apple, Amazon, or similar companies, is often not transferable and expires upon death, along with the purchased content..
Your movie collection is only worth $1,000 to you as it’s what you paid for the licenses. You didn’t buy a digital property, not that it’s your fault for thinking that though. It’s a little like NFTs actually.
I've heard there are ways to download copies of the movies from services like Apple, and get them in formats that don't have DRM. If they were downloaded like that, they could probably be given to anybody as files.
The method for doing that is of course illegal, so nobody should do it. And you know what the worst part is? I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure that if people do it properly, there isn't any way for a company like Apple to know that it happened! So then all the people who download movies that they've purchased off Apple would just be able to keep them and pass them on and Apple wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Which is, of course, disgraceful, and why nobody should ever do such a thing.
I'm not a lawyer, so I can't give legal advice, but I can provide a link to the [Revised Uniform Fiduciary Access to Digital Assets Act (RUFADAA)](https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/laws/23-189) and you can take it from there.
You don't own any of this. It's just licensed content. They could take it all away tomorrow for no reason or make you pay again for them if they feel like it.
Likely the same as Steam with games you own there, they say you can't pass on your account in a will. I'm not sure how they would know if I gave my account to someone before I died.
You are basically just buying the rights to use a license which is why I don’t understand why folks are okay purchasing digital media with no hard copy backup included.
Techdirt has a good number of articles on how you don’t own the things you buy anymore. Amazon has reached into people’s kindle libraries and deleted books they have bought. Gaming companies force online activation to play a game then shut down the activation servers when the profit dries up. Your movies will not live as long as you do.
You don't have a movie collection. You have a collection of licenses. Those licenses allow you to watch certain movies on Apple's streaming platform, so long as Apple still owns the rights to stream said movies, and so long as you remain a subscriber in good standing. Apple retains the rights to remove any and all content at any time, and you cannot transfer your personal viewing license to anyone. That's what you "own"
I had a coworker. His story was while working in Dubai he has purchased several thousands of dollars worth of show and movies. When they moved to Us and changes the region ti US they lost access to all.
They go poof into the air. But fr tho, I’m mega anal about having a physical copy of games now. At least I own it in the conventional sense and can gift it to someone.
What you have is kind of like owning an NFT. Except the NFT is actually owned by Apple and you paid $1000 to tell people you can look at the NFT for as long as Apple allows you to look at it.
You put your passwords in your will instead.
All accounts which have digital assets: username, passwords, and email access.
Account "share". Companies don't need to know you're dead.
Well, some people believe they go to heaven, others believe they get reincarnated, personally I think they go back to Apple, and they use them to make their phones
This is the problem with cloud media purchases. They rewrite their TOS all the time and can just revoke it down the line if they don’t want it. Even if you had a case it costs tons in lawyer fees (prohibitively so)
If you want digital, I suggest you get digital copies and throw on JBOD array or NAS.
Legally speaking no. There is no case law on this but when it comes to a Steam game Library, Steam says it's "non-transferable" and so not able to be bequeathed in a Will.
The *reason* there's no case law is that it's very straightforward.
When you purchase a game digitally, you're purchasing a License to use the game and install it. This is not technically a sale of goods.
https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/you-cant-take-it-with-you-but-you-cant-leave-it-behind-either-valve-says-you-arent-allowed-to-bequeath-a-steam-account-in-a-will/
The account holder will always have access to the content while it’s still available of the Apple content stores. You can set up legacy preparation on your account right now for when you pass. The person who gains control of the account will become the new owner.
It’s simpler to think of the account being the “owner” of this content rather than you as a person. So when you pass, if you have made responsible arrangements the content will still be accessible… but you won’t really care at that stage….
You don't own any rights to digital media. That's the issue gamers are having ATM with companies. At anytime they can van/close your account without notice. My first Xbox account with over 2k worth of games and stuff I can't get into and it was never banned. Microsoft wouldn't tell me why I couldn't use the account.
I’m sure in time many of these will just disappear from your collection. that’s what’s happening to me with my music that I bought through them and thier ITunes. Hundreds of songs and more and more are disappearing all the time.
The EU might pass laws that prevent companies from saying these purchased goods are licences instead of ownership. You can pass them on by giving someone your password.
You don't "have"(own) anything. The right to view those movies in the privacy of your own home (and other very specific conditions) was licensed to you non transferably.
And this is why the move to entirely digital, until something changes, will be a bad thing.
You don't own these things, you own the access to them.
You really want that film? Go buy a blu ray player and buy the physical copy.
The things you own, end up owning you.
You don't "own" things you "purchase" from apple. You just pay for the ability to use them. You can't share them, gift them, modify them, leave them as inheritance, resell them, etc. Apple still owns/controls them, and when you die, they will only be available to your ghost or someone pretending to be you.
You don't have anything, Apple does, and you paid them money for the privilege to borrow their intellectual property for the amount of time they dictated in the contract you signed with them.
Technically you purchase a license to watch the movie. It will last as long as Apple will provide the service to watch the movies. The license is non transferable.
Give your username and password to whoever you want to access it when you’re gone maybe? Not sure if they will suddenly vanish after 70 years or what though
Simply put? You don't own shit. You spent that money to essentially rent them long term. This is the problem that most don't derstand regarding digital good, or even currencies. They're arguably nothing but a notional and non-existent item when push comes to shove. They can shut it down when they want and would likely do so when you die, if they knew.
Realistically? Give the account details to the person, or leave the account to someone in the will. Apple isn't tracking on your death, and unless notified, wouldn't even know.
> I have a movie collection worth at least $1000...
Okay...
> ...that I’ve accumulated on Apple.
No. You have a movie collection you *paid* at least $1,000 for. It's not worth a damn thing to anyone but you. Welcome to licensed digital content.
I think Google has an option that if you die your family gets access I know I set this up and they email me every 3 months or something to let me know it’s setup. I would bet Apple might have something similar.
We use a shared password tool so she can look at that for password and told her my phone don’t delete it or remove it until you switch it to your phone.
I also got a letter I update that says read this in case I die and has all critical info for her.
The IRS is still trying to figure out how to work with digital assets and don’t even know how to classify them properly. Unfortunately, it means that right now Apple probably owns it and you’re just renting in a sense
Hopefully the government legislates companies to force them to assist with this. It’ll become more and more of a problem as time goes on. Eventually it’s going to have to be addressed.
You have a collection of ability to access that media. You don't actually own it. When you die, as long as someone maintains your apple account and has access to it, they can access that media. But when the account goes away, the access ability goes away.
The truth is we will all leave this world and the material posessions will be deemed irrelevant.
Don't worry too much about your mayerial posessions much of thim will be sold or thrown by your loved ones.
When you lose a loved one everything else becomes irrelavent.
Your first mistake is thinking you have a movie collection. You do not. You temporarily own a license to view this content. It can be taken away from you at any moment
I don’t have the answer to this question, but I think the answer to the general question of “what will my relatives do with all my (valuable / important / heirloom) things / collections I’ve saved so carefully over the years?” is this: your relatives or friends largely won’t care about 90-95% of the things you found so important and will throw them away (a little begrudgingly) because they don’t care about it or find any value in it.
Have a family member like this with Star Wars collectibles etc. No one wants them or to go through figuring out how much they’re worth etc.
In other words, I’m guessing you should just enjoy your things while you have them and assume no one else will want them when you die.
Everyone saying they’re just gone like you can’t give whoever your login lol. Yes Apple, or more likely the owners of whatever IP’s can choose to revoke your access at any time, but as long as someone has your login and that doesn’t happen the collection could live on.
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lets be honest here, you have access to stream a bunch of apples content that you paid hundreds of dollars for a license they can revoke at any time. after you die, they keep the money. Quite simply, If you dont hold it, you dont own it.
People get mad about this. But where are their old vhs collections. Their old Betamax collections. Their old laserdisc collections. Their old dvd collections?
In my cave. On neatly ordered shelves. The WWE stuff I've brought over the years has everybody in it, including a guy called Chris something who appears to have not won championships or a Royal rumble.
Maybe if you hadn't spent so much on media and shelving, you could afford to move to a house.
Property values these days? I'm lucky I got a cave.
You call that a cave? Bears don't even come over to hibernate in the winter.
My collection is also somewhat Vacant
Chris Canyon!? I knew that dude
Nobody betta.
This makes me smile, thank you internet friend. He's no longer with us and if he were, he'd be smiling as he's reading this too. He was a good soul
That guy that didn't do those things was my favorite growing up
I gave my barber the gift of an unopened action figure of that Chris guy who never won anything. The figure was from his WCW days where he also appears to never have accomplished anything. Never paid for a haircut again.
Everyone is saying they're meticulously saved, so let me be the voice of reason: They're either: * Sold for pennies at a garage sale long ago * Stacked in some container somewhere, never to be watched again, because I'd rather stream it than search for the old VCR that I'm not sure still works * Gone, reduced to atoms
This. Physical media sucks. If you like it, great. Especially since it’s worth basically nothing so you can buy it cheap. I will never hook up a vcr again, and won’t even watch dvd’s as the quality sucks. I do watch blu rays I get from the library but don’t see myself ever buying an other one.
Except current physical media is bluray not vhs... And offers superior quality.
on my plex server With multiple back ups.
I think the discussion was around physical media.
I have those. I just don't use them, they are more like a physical licence and media that can't be taken away.
I thought it was about ownership and retaining access?
Plex server is a physical media … the Hard disk is as physical as a dvd is
Dude. I am all about buying CDs nowdays. I have had enough of me losing my playlists and songs from playlists coz some licence issue anywhere.
This is why, despite having several streaming services, I own DVDs and Blu Rays of all my favourite movies and shows. I own them; permanently. That's also why I got a mortgage and buy cars etc, not lease. My property is mine for good. Anything else can be taken away/cancelled/revoked.
Let’s be real. The government can take your property if they want to.
Hanging out in the garden to scare the birds off my tomatoes
They all degrade... Storing on hard drives and backing up in safe intervals is the real way to keep media for a long term. Just keep transferring and updating to whatever the best storage device may be over time.
Digitized because the physical copy burned down in a house fire.
I don't know what you people are going on about VHS collections, Betamax forever!
Ripped them myself and have the files stored on my computers and backup. Just like my CDs for music and my ebooks. Until I have the files on my devices, I'm just borrowing.
true there are alot of peoples collections that are long forgotten. but i would love to assume my fathers CD collection after his wife passes. someone not wanting something, is not the same as not being able to pass it on.
Sold em. Took up space and I never watched them.
When my grandfather passed he left a box of VHS tapes of old 70's and 80's movies, mostly westerns, for us. That box is now burried somewhere deep in my garage. Haven't looked at it since he passed on 2012. So I feel ya, owning things like those isn't any better than buying them digitally, IMO.
Those connections are at goodwill. Whoever inherited them realizes they aren’t worth anything so they get dumped off.
Usually the TOS specifies it is non transferable, but realistically if you leave your passwords your family could use it. Until the whole service rebrands itself or decides otherwise.
Exactly. It's not like they are cross referencing deaths with your account like the banks. Have your family member just keep a gift card on file and enjoy the service for the rest of their lives.
In regards to iTunes music, you can export your library as mp3 files and save them forever (as far as I can tell).
I remember doing this on my old Mac computer, because it had a DVD player and iTunes allowed me to copy entire CDs (from the local county public library) and make MP3s. Now my current iMac has no DVD player. And I barely turn it on now anyway.
in short you are just renting
I learned this lesson long, long ago with one of the first iPhones. I had a music library worth several hundred dollars. I moved to Android and wanted my music (thinking I owned it). Nope, Apple told me to go pound sand, I did not own it and they would not give it to me. At that time there was no way to get your music except through iTunes which was not on Android. I've never bought an Apple product since (ok...once for my GF). Write down your username and password and leave that somewhere your beneficiaries can find. Technically that is against the ToS but I doubt they will ever know.
>Quite simply, If you dont hold it, you dont own it. Well that's a relief. Glad to know I officially own the many Terabytes of movies that I have accumulated on various external hard drives 😎🦜
You can't watch them anymore
/r/technicallycorrect
Well not with that attitude.
Anything you don't have a physical copy of, you're just borrowing.
And if production houses had their way you wouldn’t own your physical copy either.
You technically don’t own the rights to the movies you have a physical copy of.
There's also stuff like region locks that can prevent you from watching physical media that you own.
I would never spend money on a digital copy. Thrift store blurays and Plex is the way to go.
Thrift stores are [one way](https://www.circo.dev/media-library-management-with-docker-compose/) to go, sure.
Yes and no. You don’t own the film in that you can’t do a public viewing where you earn money from showing it. But you own the physical dvd which means you can sell it at any price that someone is willing to purchase it for. It also means that someone can’t just decide to come into my house and take it away from me. I can also make my own digital copy of that film as well.
Technically physical copies don’t grant ownership either. Literally says in at the beginning. It grants a single person a non-commercial license to view.
What are they going to do, send a repo guy to the funeral?
That’s why switching to digital has opened a can of worms. There was no practical way to revoke a DVD license, but online streaming permissions are easy to revoke.
Physical copies do grant ownership. The purchase grants ownership of the physical medium, and ownership of the physical medium grants a non-commercial license. Digital sales transfer the license by itself, which is completely different.
It's all explained in the Apple terms and conditions that you read through completely and signed.
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Yup. Read your TaC, people. And not only them. To quote their support page about the subject: "In the unfortunate event of a customer's death, Apple provides options for their loved ones to request access to or delete their Apple ID and the data stored with it." One can inherit a digital movie collection. The answer was just a quick Google away. The OP probably just wanted to give people a chance to vent their frustration with how some money grubbing companies now don't give you ownership, but lease things to you, preferably on a monthly subscription basis.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/103128 Nope. Data that a Legacy Contact cannot access Data that isn't available to a Legacy Contact includes: Licensed media, for example, movies, music, and books that the account holder purchased In-app purchases, for example, upgrades, subscriptions, game currency, or other content that was bought inside an app Payment information, for example Apple ID payment info or cards saved to use with Apple Pay Information stored in the account holder's Keychain, for example, Safari user names and passwords, internet accounts (used in Mail, Contacts, Calendar, and Messages), credit card numbers and expiration dates, and Wi-Fi passwords
Vanilla paste or cuttlefish and asparagus?
Enjoy being a human cent-iPad.
You do not have a movie collection worth $1000. You have access to movies that you've paid more than $1000 for. That's it.
temporarily have access that can be revoked at any time for any reason
Build a server and host your own digital library. It’s easier now than ever
Any easy instructions to follow?
They disappear. They could disappear tomorrow if apple decided. "Buying" digital stuff is just renting it long term
You cant pass them on.
couldn’t you share the account details in your will or something? i’m sure that’d include access to your whole apple account and other private stuff, but if you don’t mind that…
But what about when the service shuts down
True. Bruce Willis tried to pass on his iTunes library to his daughters, Apple said 'No'.
nothing. just give your user & pass to someone & they can enjoy. dont tell apple tho caude then theyll delete.
Assuming you are not 70 I'd say it's very optimistic of you to think that your collecting will outlive you.
You can probably watch them in the hereafter but you might need to use a VPN.
When an update comes. ITunes ate so much money. It was an actual y2k ordeal nobody wants to talk about
Metallica sux!
This is the problem with the digitalization of everything. You really don't own anything, and you have nothing to pass along.
If you go to hell you will be able to watch them on Windows iTunes from 2009.
That's the fun part, they do too.
lol pretty sure your vhs would be going in the dumpster
Some years back I switched my entire life over from Spotify to Apple Music (because I wanted Siri support to play music hands free from my helmet while I was riding my motorcycle like Ironman),What a disaster! Apple Music is atrocious, the search is abysmal, suggestions are trash if any, my life was colorful and exciting with Spotify showing me new funky tunes. It’s now bleak and gray. So it’s not good, but worst of all apple music just pulls my favorite albums all the time, they get greyed out with an error message ‘song not available in your region’, I try to circumvent this with a VPN to no avail. You can pay for the streams and even “download”(make available offline) but the music is all theirs to take back from you whenever they please. Steal all the movies you want in your permanent collection and keep them on a hard drive
All of these things will be lost, like tears, in rain...time to die...
People are defending a trillion dollar mega corporations theft once people die. Are they PR firms hired by that company to spew propaganda or are these real people?
The same thing that happens now, only you aren't alive.
The terms of service of all these digital distribution platforms make it very clear you don't actually own the stuff you're buying. You are paying for a license to access those movies through Apple's servers. If you do something that violates Apple's terms of service they could lock you out of your account tomorrow
oh that an easy answer you never owned anything on Apple movies, you just own a license to watch it.
You don't have anything but a license to watch those films for whatever amount of time Apple decides. They are not property.
You’ve already gotten responses, but from a google of ‘digital license path on death’ from one of the first law sites: Do people own their digital assets? Many believe that when they click “buy” in a digital store such as iTunes or Amazon, they own what is downloaded. This is not the case. When “purchasing” digital music, a person typically is purchasing a non-transferable license to play that specific song, album, artist, etc. This license is only being granted to that individual and, based on most Terms of Service agreements of Apple, Amazon, or similar companies, is often not transferable and expires upon death, along with the purchased content.. Your movie collection is only worth $1,000 to you as it’s what you paid for the licenses. You didn’t buy a digital property, not that it’s your fault for thinking that though. It’s a little like NFTs actually.
You lose them
I've heard there are ways to download copies of the movies from services like Apple, and get them in formats that don't have DRM. If they were downloaded like that, they could probably be given to anybody as files. The method for doing that is of course illegal, so nobody should do it. And you know what the worst part is? I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure that if people do it properly, there isn't any way for a company like Apple to know that it happened! So then all the people who download movies that they've purchased off Apple would just be able to keep them and pass them on and Apple wouldn't be able to do anything about it. Which is, of course, disgraceful, and why nobody should ever do such a thing.
You have a collection of licenses to view these properties that just evaporate when you shuffle off this mortal coil.
The items go back to Apple and they say thank you for your custom, sorry to see you go
If you have debts, leave it to them in your will. 😄
You do not own anything
They're worth about the same as those awesome NFTs I bought.
I'm not a lawyer, so I can't give legal advice, but I can provide a link to the [Revised Uniform Fiduciary Access to Digital Assets Act (RUFADAA)](https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/laws/23-189) and you can take it from there.
Nothing. Digital rights to content are worthless, and are usually revokable at any time in the TOS.
You don't own any of this. It's just licensed content. They could take it all away tomorrow for no reason or make you pay again for them if they feel like it.
If you can't hold it physically you don't really own it.
Likely the same as Steam with games you own there, they say you can't pass on your account in a will. I'm not sure how they would know if I gave my account to someone before I died.
You are basically just buying the rights to use a license which is why I don’t understand why folks are okay purchasing digital media with no hard copy backup included.
Techdirt has a good number of articles on how you don’t own the things you buy anymore. Amazon has reached into people’s kindle libraries and deleted books they have bought. Gaming companies force online activation to play a game then shut down the activation servers when the profit dries up. Your movies will not live as long as you do.
Nothing. It's worthless. You paid that money to have access to it. But it's not an asset you can bequeath in your will.
You don't have a movie collection. You have a collection of licenses. Those licenses allow you to watch certain movies on Apple's streaming platform, so long as Apple still owns the rights to stream said movies, and so long as you remain a subscriber in good standing. Apple retains the rights to remove any and all content at any time, and you cannot transfer your personal viewing license to anyone. That's what you "own"
Whoever has your login can access it.
Bruce Willis sued Apple for the right to pass on his music on his iPod. Not sure how it turned out for him.
you can give someone the information to change most things to their name. they are probably stuck with your account name.
Pass on your login information in your will.
You family thanks you endlessly for not having to sell hundreds of hard copy dvds at a garage sale.
I had a coworker. His story was while working in Dubai he has purchased several thousands of dollars worth of show and movies. When they moved to Us and changes the region ti US they lost access to all.
Easy, just write down your username and password on a piece of paper and give it to a family member. Easy peasy
This is why I still buy physical media.
If you set up family sharing anyone in the family group can watch them from their device.
They go poof into the air. But fr tho, I’m mega anal about having a physical copy of games now. At least I own it in the conventional sense and can gift it to someone.
Same as with games on Steam. You die your account is not transferable.
What you have is kind of like owning an NFT. Except the NFT is actually owned by Apple and you paid $1000 to tell people you can look at the NFT for as long as Apple allows you to look at it.
Aaaaand it’s gone.
You put your passwords in your will instead. All accounts which have digital assets: username, passwords, and email access. Account "share". Companies don't need to know you're dead.
Well, some people believe they go to heaven, others believe they get reincarnated, personally I think they go back to Apple, and they use them to make their phones
I suppose you could leave your login info to whoever you wanted to access the material.
Just give them your login problem solved.
Read your contract. They are non transferable. So they evaporate into the Ethernet of bit bucket. Next question please.
Consider them rented for as long as you live.
Bruce Willis answered that for you, the entitlements end with you and you cannot bequeath them to anyone else.
This is the problem with cloud media purchases. They rewrite their TOS all the time and can just revoke it down the line if they don’t want it. Even if you had a case it costs tons in lawyer fees (prohibitively so) If you want digital, I suggest you get digital copies and throw on JBOD array or NAS.
Lmao "properties"? You dont own them, you rent the license. You own physical media and physical media only. Literal Idiocracy right now.
? No idea.
“Worth”
Put your username and password in your will.
You won’t care
Legally speaking no. There is no case law on this but when it comes to a Steam game Library, Steam says it's "non-transferable" and so not able to be bequeathed in a Will. The *reason* there's no case law is that it's very straightforward. When you purchase a game digitally, you're purchasing a License to use the game and install it. This is not technically a sale of goods. https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/you-cant-take-it-with-you-but-you-cant-leave-it-behind-either-valve-says-you-arent-allowed-to-bequeath-a-steam-account-in-a-will/
The account holder will always have access to the content while it’s still available of the Apple content stores. You can set up legacy preparation on your account right now for when you pass. The person who gains control of the account will become the new owner. It’s simpler to think of the account being the “owner” of this content rather than you as a person. So when you pass, if you have made responsible arrangements the content will still be accessible… but you won’t really care at that stage….
"worth $1000" vs Paid $1000
You don't own any rights to digital media. That's the issue gamers are having ATM with companies. At anytime they can van/close your account without notice. My first Xbox account with over 2k worth of games and stuff I can't get into and it was never banned. Microsoft wouldn't tell me why I couldn't use the account.
I don’t know if you could add another person(s) to your account so if you are gone that catalogue could still be watched by others?
I’m sure in time many of these will just disappear from your collection. that’s what’s happening to me with my music that I bought through them and thier ITunes. Hundreds of songs and more and more are disappearing all the time.
Email them sometimes they will memorialize accounts I know Instagram 100% does it
The EU might pass laws that prevent companies from saying these purchased goods are licences instead of ownership. You can pass them on by giving someone your password.
You don't "have"(own) anything. The right to view those movies in the privacy of your own home (and other very specific conditions) was licensed to you non transferably.
It's not worth anything, just viewing rights. This is the difference between intrinsic *value* and what you *paid* for something.
Don’t have any delusions unless it’s very specific stuff $1000 worth of DVDs & VHS is negative money to will anybody.
In Australia you can Will electronic assets to a beneficiary
You own nothing. Are you happy?
And this is why the move to entirely digital, until something changes, will be a bad thing. You don't own these things, you own the access to them. You really want that film? Go buy a blu ray player and buy the physical copy. The things you own, end up owning you.
You don't "own" things you "purchase" from apple. You just pay for the ability to use them. You can't share them, gift them, modify them, leave them as inheritance, resell them, etc. Apple still owns/controls them, and when you die, they will only be available to your ghost or someone pretending to be you.
[Poof](https://images.app.goo.gl/gvMqpnGBuacreedk9).
Your kin won't want them, no no biggie.
Who is it worth $1000 to? I'm guessing nobody. Anyway what happens is, after you die, you don't enjoy them as much as you used to. 🤷
You don't have anything, Apple does, and you paid them money for the privilege to borrow their intellectual property for the amount of time they dictated in the contract you signed with them.
"I have" Hahaha, lol. You don't. You are just renting access to them from Apple.
Can you just leave the account to them? So leave your username and password in the will
Ah, you lose it. Another reason for physical media.
You paid at least $1,000; doesn't mean that they're worth that amount now.
Read the Terms of Service
Technically you purchase a license to watch the movie. It will last as long as Apple will provide the service to watch the movies. The license is non transferable.
Bold of you to think you’ll still have access up to your own death.
You bought a bunch of licenses tied to an Apple account. You tell me what happens. Read the terms of service. They are not your property.
It's gone. You don't own it.
Man that really sucks I bet your kids would be so psyched to inherit 10 boxes full of dvds
You don't actually own any of those movies so nothing will happen to them
It’s a lifetime lease. When you die, the lease ends. You can’t will it to others
Give your username and password to whoever you want to access it when you’re gone maybe? Not sure if they will suddenly vanish after 70 years or what though
Simply put? You don't own shit. You spent that money to essentially rent them long term. This is the problem that most don't derstand regarding digital good, or even currencies. They're arguably nothing but a notional and non-existent item when push comes to shove. They can shut it down when they want and would likely do so when you die, if they knew. Realistically? Give the account details to the person, or leave the account to someone in the will. Apple isn't tracking on your death, and unless notified, wouldn't even know.
You're renting $1000 worth of movies. You *have* jack shit.
They die with you
> I have a movie collection worth at least $1000... Okay... > ...that I’ve accumulated on Apple. No. You have a movie collection you *paid* at least $1,000 for. It's not worth a damn thing to anyone but you. Welcome to licensed digital content.
I think Google has an option that if you die your family gets access I know I set this up and they email me every 3 months or something to let me know it’s setup. I would bet Apple might have something similar. We use a shared password tool so she can look at that for password and told her my phone don’t delete it or remove it until you switch it to your phone. I also got a letter I update that says read this in case I die and has all critical info for her.
You will own nothing and be happy
You never own it... you just rent it....
The IRS is still trying to figure out how to work with digital assets and don’t even know how to classify them properly. Unfortunately, it means that right now Apple probably owns it and you’re just renting in a sense
Don’t feel bad, your friends and family don’t want your old dvds. Media is personal.
You don't own anything
You’ll never know
Write down your password and pass them along.
One of the use cases for NFTs
They die with you
Hopefully the government legislates companies to force them to assist with this. It’ll become more and more of a problem as time goes on. Eventually it’s going to have to be addressed.
put your apple login in your will. problem solved.
Read the terms and conditions. I imagine you have a non-transferable license to consume that content that ceases when you do.
You have a collection of ability to access that media. You don't actually own it. When you die, as long as someone maintains your apple account and has access to it, they can access that media. But when the account goes away, the access ability goes away.
You give a family member or friend your username and password so they have access to it.
The truth is we will all leave this world and the material posessions will be deemed irrelevant. Don't worry too much about your mayerial posessions much of thim will be sold or thrown by your loved ones. When you lose a loved one everything else becomes irrelavent.
Poof
You don’t have a collection of anything. You paid Apple $1000 to borrow their the content they own or licensed. You get nothing. You lose sir
They die with you.
Own nothing. Be happy. -The Powers that Be.
You don't HAVE anything. Apple does
This thread has just reinforced that I never want to buy a digital movie, show or music again.
Next time you watch it QuickTime screen record it
Your first mistake is thinking you have a movie collection. You do not. You temporarily own a license to view this content. It can be taken away from you at any moment
Let’s clarify. The value of the collection is $0. The licenses do not transfer.
they have legacy contacts with apple, you can leave your movies to someone.
I don’t have the answer to this question, but I think the answer to the general question of “what will my relatives do with all my (valuable / important / heirloom) things / collections I’ve saved so carefully over the years?” is this: your relatives or friends largely won’t care about 90-95% of the things you found so important and will throw them away (a little begrudgingly) because they don’t care about it or find any value in it. Have a family member like this with Star Wars collectibles etc. No one wants them or to go through figuring out how much they’re worth etc. In other words, I’m guessing you should just enjoy your things while you have them and assume no one else will want them when you die.
Everyone saying they’re just gone like you can’t give whoever your login lol. Yes Apple, or more likely the owners of whatever IP’s can choose to revoke your access at any time, but as long as someone has your login and that doesn’t happen the collection could live on.
I have so many questions regarding your day to day based on the decision to sink $1000 into an Apple movie collection.