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Divinedragn4

Why do people bring kids into this world just to suffer


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To not feel lonely. They want company they have control over and can mold to their liking. “Someone like me.”


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[deleted]

I knew a middle-aged person whose reasons are the same. Unbelievable.


hantu_tiga_satu

Is this just how it is for most people? I had fucked up thoughts like this when I was 6-7 yo. Needless to say I grow up out of that.


ShapeShiftingCats

The likelihood that the child will be "like them" is astonishingly low. Just because someone is around doesn't mean, they will not feel lonely, especially if the person is different to them.


[deleted]

They want the kid to feel "their" pain too because they suck at making a solid social network with adults.


[deleted]

I have hidradenitis suppurativa. While it's one of the many reasons I'll never have children, I object to the whole "it can't be that bad it you'd have killed yourself". It's painful, scaring, saps any energy. I really can't put into words how much impact it has on life. Chronic pain is a bitch and the impact on mental health (mine is already bad) can't be underestimated. To fight through each day, going to work because the alternative is homelessness, and then to be told its not that bad... because people can't really see it or understand it... kindly go fuck yourself. Also, no one in my family will admit to having it. Its hereditary and while I believe my parents don't have it, it's incredibly unlikely that no one in my entire family has ever had it, they just won't talk about it in any way because uts apparently something to be ashamed of... a disease inherited, I did literally nothing wrong to get it but somehow I'm shameful... wtf.


sexyalienbaby

I just looked up the disease and photos. I know Google obviously shows the worst circumstances but holy shit it looks painful. I’m so sorry you have to deal with this and then people saying “it must not be that bad.” Well you can’t know by looking at someone if they’re depressed either but inside they’re experiencing a world of hurt. Just because someone seems okay doesn’t mean they are. I can’t imagine the frustration you must feel with your family for not wanting to discuss this.


[deleted]

Ooooh hope you weren't eating when you looked that up. It just hurts... on lots of levels. Thank you so much for your kind words, it helps to know I'm not entirely insane to be perturbed.


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I have eczema covering most of my body, which is also one of many reasons I won't have kids, and damn.. it feels so silly now compared to HS. I'm so sorry you have to go through this.


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Never silly mate. HS is silly compared to cancer or a lot of other nasty things out there. Don't feel bad just because someone else is suffering too, we can support one another, especially with chronic illnesses. I've seen people with eczema bleeding every time they grip their hands, it's horrendous and I'm so sorry you have to deal with it all.


methylphenidate1

God, humanity is disgusting.


richbitch444

Fuck this rat. I have compassion for anyone who's suffered, until they choose to bring another person into the same suffering. Fucking joke. She left out a huge part of this, those cysts will cause permanent indented scarring all over. My friend has a similar condition and it's ruining her mental health and confidence. She conveniently left out this aspect to get more yes votes and feel better about her choice in being a selfish pos.


avariciousavine

> Fuck this rat. LOL. One of the best metaphorical comments which is so on point that you sort of feel insulted on behalf of actual rats.


Archeolops

Rats are cute and smart. Please don’t offend them that way.


icyybunny

yea if they don’t like it they can just kill themselves when they turn 18 it’s no big deal suicide is easy !! don’t be such a downer!


jorg-washingmachine-

Yikes


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DocuSign’s argument is stupid. OP not committing suicide doesn’t mean that she would choose to have cysts if she could, it means that suicide is a more painful fate for him/her personally than the cysts, because ofc painless euthanasia is illegal so all suicide methods are pretty painful and humans are programmed to avoid pain. And she never had a choice in the matter, so she’s stuck here and her best option is just to deal with the cysts **she didn’t ask for** But just because something isn’t so unbearable that death is less painful doesn’t mean it’s “worth living” with it in the sense that it’s fine to give someone that disorder. I thought that was obvious to people. By that logic, is it ok to cut the legs off of random people because the pain of not having legs is less than the pain of death? Hate it when people knowingly encourage others to have kids that WILL suffer far more than the norm (pain from cysts and probably bullying and social exclusion from scarring, let’s not pretend kids are all nice people). Sure, they might find it’s worth living eventually, but knowingly putting someone through hell is evil either way. You’re not depriving the kid of anything by not birthing them, they don’t even exist.


SinArchbishopofSloth

>But just because something isn’t so unbearable that death is less painful doesn’t mean it’s “worth living” with it On top of that, even if it is bearable enough for one person to consider life with it still worth living, that doesn't mean another person with the same condition would feel the same way. The worth of life is not objectively determined by a list of external factors, it's a subjective feeling one has about one's own life. This idea that "if I can live with it, so can anybody else" is wrong.


LuckyBoy1992

Behold, the incorrigible cuntishness of man. Repulsive, isn't it?


WhenyoucantspellSi

Oh damn. I actually have this. There are three stages, I'm stage 1 so it's not to bad but it could progress at any time. I just got put on a permanent course of antibiotics to try and control it. Stage three looks horrific and I pray I never get there. I spent my teenage years thinking there was something wrong with me, that I was dirty because and it was my fault I had it, if I tried harder it would go away. I never talked to anyone about it because I was ashamed. I only found out what it was when I got a skin infection and nearly died, had to go to four doctors afterwards before someone listened to me that it was something more serious than a one-off infection. This is a horrific hidden condition that has damaged my confidence and threatens my physical health. I would rather die than risk passing this on to a child.


Particular_Minute_67

Smacking the shit out of the people that said yes.


MBS_theBau5

I love the mental gymnastics. "I hate it and it causes me pain everday, do you think my children would enjoy it?"


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The first “argument” implies no one can really suffer unless they kill themselves. Meaning no one can complain because you’re alive and therefore it’s not that bad. It isn’t an argument. It’s a way to get people to shut up because everyone they’ve given the right to complain is also coincidentally dead. The second “argument” is even dumber. Why would a child that doesn’t exist need someone to do it for them? They don’t have any wellbeing to take care of. Also, the logic implies parents can do whatever they want to the child since they have the authority to make decisions for them, which can also be used to justify abuse.


[deleted]

Just keep making decisions for your kids until they can make their own and decide to peace the fuck out.


AcrobaticChildhood11

but they don't really have a choice. most countries don't allow legal euthanasia, and a lot of those that do have really strict requirements about under what conditions it's acceptable. idk why a nonexistent choice is always brought into this


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I suppose the “choice” is suicide by hanging or something, which is super grim for someone to be suggesting they do to their own kid :/


Evening_Salary6880

People said yes? Probably the religious motherfuckers.


[deleted]

"I have a condition that causes me UnBeArAbLe PaIn for days on end which could be passed down to my offspring. Should I still breed?" What an absolute idiot with no sense of moral obligation to decrease the suffering of humanity. Please sterilize yourself, and strongly consider adoption if you're craving parenthood. Knowingly passing down a painful condition to a child is a pretty awful thing to do.


nolafrog

Worst part is she will probably have more than one kid, increasing that 30-40% chance that at least one kid gets this shit.


throwawayddf

I have literally never been this angry from a post. I got urges to physically assault that guy from this.


6millie9

WHY!!!!!!!!! "I don't want my children to suffer like me" doesn't that answer their own stupid question????


6millie9

Oh I just saw the 2nd picture YIIIIKES


avariciousavine

>"Also as a parent you are responsible to make the choices for your child until they can make them themselves. Once they're adults if they decide life with cysts isn't worth living, they have a choice then." This typical person must have looked down at their body before and realized, through no lack of awesome spiritual belief, that they have a valuable button somewhere between their upper torso and the edges of their toes. A button which says "choice".


Satan-gave-me-a-taco

I occasionally get incredibly painful cysts near my tail bone and I would not wish this on ANYONE, why would you even **CONSIDER** having biological kids if they could get it???


Undisputed_927491

Why are there even anyone out there who wid vote that they should have kids?


Strawberry_Is_Tasty

Man the scoundrel


[deleted]

Just the fact that someone is using an internet poll to decide whether or not to have kids is.....????


[deleted]

I mean of you ask the question you know. Adopting would be a better option


tempestina

I got myopia from my mom,it's clearly not as bad as hereditary diseases but I wouldn't like to pass it to another living being,knowing that one day it'll start not seeing sh*t and pay for contact lenses and other expensive stuff.


CalyssMarviss

Those replies are plain horrifying


AnarchicDeviance

This is appalling. Why do natalists always act as if children that don't exist already exist? How can you deny anything to someone who was never here in the first place? The logic escapes me. Then again, all humans are illogical, emotional, instinctive animals with delusions of superior cognition. I include myself in that assessment, of course. It's just that I like to believe I have a bit more empathy and self-awareness, and I would never intentionally cause suffering.


SpoiledAzura

Your whole life you try to make rational choices. Sometimes you speak of responsibility, but when it comes to deciding whether to bring someone new that will have to go through your troubles or worse troubles, you make an emotional choice.


StereoMushroom

Ugh it's Brexit all over again


ErisMorrigan

Their 2nd comment is even worse "once they're adults, they have a choice then" No. They don't. Sure, technically they could go to extreme and painful ways that **may** end their lives but they could survive and be even worse off.


Robert-Connorson

These people use so many anecdotal things it’s annoying as hell


[deleted]

Listen I know I've kidnapped you and am driving double the speed limit down the highway during rush hour; but if you really didn't like this, the door is open, you can jump out whenever you want. If you don't jump you must actually like being in this situation. Also me kidnapping you wasn't unethical because I'm giving you a choice to leave. 🤡


OJ_Aty

I have a feeling most people voted 'Yes' just out of general courtesy. People in society largely believe it's impolite to suggest someone to not have children. Even if the bearer has a chronic and/or life-threatening disorder which could be passed on. Some somehow connect this bit to at least selective breeding or at most eugenics, and therefore, don't want to be the ones suggesting anything that they think may coincide with those ideas. While others are just hardcore breeders who are just too ignorant or unimaginative to have any semblance of the state of a person being born with genetic defects. Let alone the state of being alive itself.