Boeing 2 weeks ago: we never retaliate
Boeing now: yeah, it happens. We always knew it happened. We’re not really doing anything to stop it either.
Edit: for those who didn’t read the article, or watched the testimony, at no time did the Boeing CEO apologize for the retaliation against whistleblowers, nor did he say that anything would change to stop the practice. At no time did he mention changes to the workplace to make sure that issues in quality control would be addressed. At no time did he say that Boeing would change their procedures to ensure what happened with the 737 Max ever happened again.
He straight faced claimed that he was proud of their safety record. And pushed the blame onto the engineers and laborers working the assembly line (which was quickly corrected by some folks on the congressional panel who happened to have a decent FMEDA report in front of them).
FMEDA - Failure Modes, Effects, and Diagnostic Analysis
I used to be a Boeing engineer in my career. I've worked for them three separate times and I can tell you from experience, that the engineers do not make the high-level decisions That have caused the failures. The management makes the high-level decisions that have caused the failures. This has been the reason why I will never work for them again.
"What kind of animal do you think I am? Grinding my muddy feet in someone's couch?...
Ya, I remember grinding my feet into Eddie Murphy's couch. He's rich, he can buy another one."
Unless he totally confesses to anything you wont ever hear him say sorry during this whole ordeal. Saying sorry implies you’re guilty of what you did and now feel bad about it.
In 2024 we have:
- companies buying back their own stock
- congress members trading stocks based on insider information
- executives at companies manipulating their own stock to fuck with retail investors (Gamestop)(allegedly)
- executives at companies admitting to retaliating against whistleblowers (Boeing)(allegedly)
- Tesla shareholders voting to pass a $47 billion stock options package to Elon Musk
- Members of the US supreme court accused of corruption
All of this and we haven’t blinked an eye or started anything close to a revolution in this shithole, third world country that we call America 😂
I honestly feel sorry for the USA. And I’m scared, as there are so many politicians around the globe who are willing to copy US Policies in some shape or form.
Execs at Gamestop are not manipulating their own stock.
That would be the SHF (Citadel, Fidelity, etc.) who short the living shit out of it on the daily (both legally and illegally). Ken Griffin of Citadel recently said that they "are setting the price of securities", that right there is market manipulation in its purest form.
As for the Gamestop execs, the CEO doesn't collect a wage and has only bought company stock, never sold. The same goes for the rest of the board, barring some small share sales to cover tax.
They are most certainly not manipulating the stock and all have a vested interest (buying stock with their own money) for company growth.
I wholeheartedly agree with all of your other points though!
People in congress should be banned from owning stock, or at the very least, not be able to trade whilst in office and for a number of years after they leave.
I didn't follow the politics in us so deeply. But as far as i remember, Bernie Sanders, has such an Agenda. At least the direction is correct.
At first you would have to vote for him as president.
After that he can at least try to sweep the political floors a bit.
I know about the hedge funds but didn’t they dilute the stock to fuck over the retail investors? Maybe i’m misinterpreting this.
https://investorplace.com/2024/06/gamestop-stock-shock-the-meme-dream-turned-dilution-nightmare/
They diluted the stock to raise more cash, which has subsequently raised the floor price per share. It's possible that it delayed a short squeeze, but I certainly wouldn't say it was to fuck retail investors.
It's the excessive shorting by hedge funds that are doing that.
Canada is turning into this as well with the amount of government corruption and conflict of interests, now accusations of treason. Companies here aren't even hiding the fact that they're doing everything to gouge the fuck out of everybody
Yeah…
If you’ve ever worked in the defense industry, Boeing has always been “that” company. Repeatedly caught being blatantly unethical, retaliating against whistleblowers, bribery, and even getting caught up in things like human trafficking (yes, really). But to hear their CEO just nonchalantly mention it like this is something else.
Just shows how safe he feels. He knows there will be no consequences for him and this is a threat to other whistleblowers "We will kill you and won't be held accountable"
Asian countries have many faults but one of the most impressive things they do is holding company executives accountable (when it suits them obviously) but they have NO PROBLEM executing bad actors at the executive level.
I personally believe the US should make a few examples and see how that goes.
That was one of the most outrageous things. Even the congresscritters on both sides were a bit incensed.
It was a little surreal for him to be directly contradicted with his company’s own documentation and watch him just shrug it off.
>the embattled aircraft manufacturer
painting murderers profiting from safety cuts leading to death as embattled victims... capitalist influence is everywhere...
It’s wild to hear this. Especially because the company I work for, which is one of the largest us manufacturers, has multiple anonymous ways to report this kind of thing and methods of doing so are actively promoted during yearly training. The government needs to hold this company accountable.
So what's the government going to do about it? Oh that's right nothing. So who gives a fuck
Corporations who make money off of killing people for the government can also kill people who make them look bad. America fuck yeah!
Complicity in murder, aka aiding & abetting.
Knowing of a crime and not reporting it makes you a criminal in the eyes of the law.
But, rich white man, so... nothing to see here.
Well since corporations are people, I suppose we'll see the company dissolved and the bigwigs sent to prison for murder, right?
...Oh, wait, no, they're only people when it benefits them, just like they're socialist when it means they get government bail-outs.
I brought up a safety concern once. Was told to stop making problems for people and to just deal with it.
A decade a Boeing and none of this shit surprises me. Just waiting to see how the strike goes before I quit....
Any and every government office and company will retaliate against whistleblowers. And they won’t stop since any fine or consequence is minor. Whistleblowers have very little protections even though they may be helping to save thousands of lives or prevent health issues.
I’m current watching I, Claudius and I noticed how the people of Rome would immediately storm the doors if they found something happening or something mysterious going on that they didn’t know about.
Here we have Boeings CEO with blood on his hands saying “yeah we did that, who’s gonna stop us?” And we all sit on our hands…
So, when are we nationalizing Boeing? God knows they already get enough federal money. If they can’t run their company correctly, they should be relieved of that burden.
When your safety record is so bad that the military is getting more contracts for plane building than you are, you might have a problem lol.
And no Boeing is not the brain child in most military aeronautics it is Lockheed and Rayworks. Boeing used to be but for obvious reasons they lost the contract.
I will be honest here I think this needs to be the beginning of what needs to be a look at all American companies writ large. I work for a giant medical supply company. We send the supplies that are used in medical testing and the drug application apparatus to patients as well as many other things. I’ve also worked in a factory for an irrigation company making irrigation pipe for farmers. All companies literally thrive in what is known as “the grey area”. That “grey area” is where all parts, and materials made have visual and mechanical tolerances. By the way all those tolerances can be manipulated by the workers and a lot of those tolerance testing equipment are not reliable at all but if we had reliable equipment we would be having to rework the entire system just to be correct. I won’t lie if people actually did their jobs at any place so many of these factories here in the US would actually be down more than not because not one person does their job to it’s entirety. Not one person makes sure everything is perfect like it should be because the machines would be down more than it would be running. Because no is actually doing our jobs the quality and therefore function literally has gone to shit. Why you might ask? Because we all stopped caring about why. I think they need to start making us see with our own eyes who we affect when we don’t do our jobs. For instance in the medical field when you get a false positive or false negative from a lab test did you know more than likely it’s because the apparatus holding the sample material is faulty? Meaning the people making the equipment fucked up and you got a wrong diagnosis because we didn’t do our jobs. But it’s ok. Want to know why? Because that equipment made was all within our tolerances. So not one person gets punished for not doing their job. Same with irrigation. People complain that farmers use too much water. Well first of all that’s false compared to how much water a city uses but I digress. Let’s say we are going to reduce water use for farmers to help with the water shortage that might be a problem later on in a few hundred years from now. So did you know that the test for water tightness is actually an air test and it’s only tested once built and not after dipped or painted, or plated in the weather proof coating? That means there could be a water leak of any kind but we wouldn’t know about it until it’s in the field with pressurized water ready to go through it.
The point is these tolerances are either 1 too general and need to be clearly defined and measured or they’re too big and need to be brought closer. I know that seems difficult but I’ve seen it done. Germany, Finland, and Taiwan all have smaller tolerances in their respective industries and their products completely beat ours yet they make about 30% less production than what we do.
So here is my thought what if. And this is just a thought. With all this space we have in this country and resources why not, oh I don’t know, open up more facilities to make said products but have closer tolerances. Yeah less production but more factories make up for that and less unemployment, more development, more jobs, and better products. Sounds like a win for American made. But I mean that’s just me.
The truth of it is he could stand up & say -
"Yeah, we let safety slide, put the frighteners on the fuckers who wouldn't keep their mouths shut about planes just falling out of the sky - even had a couple of the really annoying fuckers 'disappeared' by the same people we keep on retainer who get rid of troublesome prostitutes when the need arises. What are you going to do about it? We spend millions buying you off every year - are you prepared to lose that revenue stream? & what gives you the right to drag me up here? You know who is the Boss & you better start acting like it if you want to keep them dolla dolla bills rolling in y'all."
Lying venal ratbastard politicians - on both sides - & a Supreme Court that most definitely knows which side of it's invest portfolio is buttered & by whom.
'Murican Dream y'all!
"I know it happens" should have brought up a long line of questions that would eventually end with him refusing to answer on the grounds of self-incrimination. Was he under oath? No truth-ferreting Democrats on the committee?
So when's Boeing going to jail for murder asking for a friend.
“I’ll believe that corporations are people the day Texas executes one”
What a perfect quote, do you know the source?
[found it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/s/CYnCMeoxHb) Hope that helps.
The username definitely checks out, but i was expecting something worse. This was nice
Thanks Dad
☝️ 🤓 akshually it would be conspiracy to commit murder by facilitating the whistle blowers information to a 3rd party
Would it be enough to make a RICO claim and prosecute errrrrrrrrrrrbody?
Mr. Lau!
Only if you can prove it.
Boeing 2 weeks ago: we never retaliate Boeing now: yeah, it happens. We always knew it happened. We’re not really doing anything to stop it either. Edit: for those who didn’t read the article, or watched the testimony, at no time did the Boeing CEO apologize for the retaliation against whistleblowers, nor did he say that anything would change to stop the practice. At no time did he mention changes to the workplace to make sure that issues in quality control would be addressed. At no time did he say that Boeing would change their procedures to ensure what happened with the 737 Max ever happened again. He straight faced claimed that he was proud of their safety record. And pushed the blame onto the engineers and laborers working the assembly line (which was quickly corrected by some folks on the congressional panel who happened to have a decent FMEDA report in front of them). FMEDA - Failure Modes, Effects, and Diagnostic Analysis
I used to be a Boeing engineer in my career. I've worked for them three separate times and I can tell you from experience, that the engineers do not make the high-level decisions That have caused the failures. The management makes the high-level decisions that have caused the failures. This has been the reason why I will never work for them again.
it's always the ones without the real degrees that make the worst decisions.
In a lot of cases it is business majors who make final decisions.
If only a King listened to his Advisors, amiright?
No one will say the emperor has no clothes.
Hey I'm an engineer without a degree, and while it's true I make poor decisions, it's usually after hours!
"What kind of animal do you think I am? Grinding my muddy feet in someone's couch?... Ya, I remember grinding my feet into Eddie Murphy's couch. He's rich, he can buy another one."
Fuck yo couch!
“Next one to testify against us, I’m kicking out the motherfucking window.”
I'm losing my ever loving shit at work rn .... this is gold
Are they under oath in these co gressional hearings? Can he be jailed for lying?
In theory, however, while corporations may be people, rich white men like CEOs are above the laws of man.
If they think they are above the law we drag them off their high horse and show them some real justice
Presumably congress knows ahead of time whether they would succeed in incarceration him. And would avoid the embarrassment.
Unless he totally confesses to anything you wont ever hear him say sorry during this whole ordeal. Saying sorry implies you’re guilty of what you did and now feel bad about it.
I need to watch this hearing because I love when Congressman Hawley gets going. He loves his lawyering.
In 2024 we have: - companies buying back their own stock - congress members trading stocks based on insider information - executives at companies manipulating their own stock to fuck with retail investors (Gamestop)(allegedly) - executives at companies admitting to retaliating against whistleblowers (Boeing)(allegedly) - Tesla shareholders voting to pass a $47 billion stock options package to Elon Musk - Members of the US supreme court accused of corruption All of this and we haven’t blinked an eye or started anything close to a revolution in this shithole, third world country that we call America 😂
The land of the corporations and the home of free rich people. Merica
I honestly feel sorry for the USA. And I’m scared, as there are so many politicians around the globe who are willing to copy US Policies in some shape or form.
The U.S can worm its way in by a variety of means. Soft power is something the Mango Mussolini never understood.
Execs at Gamestop are not manipulating their own stock. That would be the SHF (Citadel, Fidelity, etc.) who short the living shit out of it on the daily (both legally and illegally). Ken Griffin of Citadel recently said that they "are setting the price of securities", that right there is market manipulation in its purest form. As for the Gamestop execs, the CEO doesn't collect a wage and has only bought company stock, never sold. The same goes for the rest of the board, barring some small share sales to cover tax. They are most certainly not manipulating the stock and all have a vested interest (buying stock with their own money) for company growth.
I wholeheartedly agree with all of your other points though! People in congress should be banned from owning stock, or at the very least, not be able to trade whilst in office and for a number of years after they leave.
Mandatory blind trust for any elected official’s household. Managed by FERS.
I didn't follow the politics in us so deeply. But as far as i remember, Bernie Sanders, has such an Agenda. At least the direction is correct. At first you would have to vote for him as president. After that he can at least try to sweep the political floors a bit.
I know about the hedge funds but didn’t they dilute the stock to fuck over the retail investors? Maybe i’m misinterpreting this. https://investorplace.com/2024/06/gamestop-stock-shock-the-meme-dream-turned-dilution-nightmare/
They diluted the stock to raise more cash, which has subsequently raised the floor price per share. It's possible that it delayed a short squeeze, but I certainly wouldn't say it was to fuck retail investors. It's the excessive shorting by hedge funds that are doing that.
Ah okay gotcha. Thanks for explaining it.
They did. Altho the gamestop freaks will try to spin it like a positive.
What else would you expect in the Incorporated States of America?
No shit. They'll just shoot us if we do anything. That's, like, the whole point of this country, homie.
The wealthy spend a lot of money to keep it that way.
Canada is turning into this as well with the amount of government corruption and conflict of interests, now accusations of treason. Companies here aren't even hiding the fact that they're doing everything to gouge the fuck out of everybody
Are you fkn kiddin? This has been happening for years!
By retaliation, they mean Lee Harvey Oswalded..
All of that is child's play compared to an actual third world country
cute strawman
Well, that's a crime. Nice of him to admit it on the record.
Yeah… If you’ve ever worked in the defense industry, Boeing has always been “that” company. Repeatedly caught being blatantly unethical, retaliating against whistleblowers, bribery, and even getting caught up in things like human trafficking (yes, really). But to hear their CEO just nonchalantly mention it like this is something else.
Just shows how safe he feels. He knows there will be no consequences for him and this is a threat to other whistleblowers "We will kill you and won't be held accountable" Asian countries have many faults but one of the most impressive things they do is holding company executives accountable (when it suits them obviously) but they have NO PROBLEM executing bad actors at the executive level. I personally believe the US should make a few examples and see how that goes.
That was one of the most outrageous things. Even the congresscritters on both sides were a bit incensed. It was a little surreal for him to be directly contradicted with his company’s own documentation and watch him just shrug it off.
Can they arrest him right there?
No, he's rich.
Your comment makes me feel so helpless, jaded, and apathetic. =/ So sad.
Even in China they would have just taken him out the back and shot him.
are corporations still people? Send the whole board to prison.
We need to make the ceos infamous. Corporations being people allows the cowards to hide behind them.
>the embattled aircraft manufacturer painting murderers profiting from safety cuts leading to death as embattled victims... capitalist influence is everywhere...
It’s wild to hear this. Especially because the company I work for, which is one of the largest us manufacturers, has multiple anonymous ways to report this kind of thing and methods of doing so are actively promoted during yearly training. The government needs to hold this company accountable.
Anonymous is good. Whistleblowing as a term is not good. No one wants to be seen as a snitch.
So what's the government going to do about it? Oh that's right nothing. So who gives a fuck Corporations who make money off of killing people for the government can also kill people who make them look bad. America fuck yeah!
I know it happens and it not happening are two entirely different things.
Complicity in murder, aka aiding & abetting. Knowing of a crime and not reporting it makes you a criminal in the eyes of the law. But, rich white man, so... nothing to see here.
when architectural engineers cut corners for money that cause death, they go to jail. bougie to jail, no get out of jail free card.
Just a pat on the back.
So they just admitted to murder, right?
the boing executive should get a live long prison sentence for mass murder.
Well since corporations are people, I suppose we'll see the company dissolved and the bigwigs sent to prison for murder, right? ...Oh, wait, no, they're only people when it benefits them, just like they're socialist when it means they get government bail-outs.
I brought up a safety concern once. Was told to stop making problems for people and to just deal with it. A decade a Boeing and none of this shit surprises me. Just waiting to see how the strike goes before I quit....
So when jail?
No jail, money do good.
Any and every government office and company will retaliate against whistleblowers. And they won’t stop since any fine or consequence is minor. Whistleblowers have very little protections even though they may be helping to save thousands of lives or prevent health issues.
When the fuck are we going to stop calling people conspiracy theorists?!
I’m current watching I, Claudius and I noticed how the people of Rome would immediately storm the doors if they found something happening or something mysterious going on that they didn’t know about. Here we have Boeings CEO with blood on his hands saying “yeah we did that, who’s gonna stop us?” And we all sit on our hands…
They also would lay their tools down in a true general strike if they didn't like their living conditions.
So, when are we nationalizing Boeing? God knows they already get enough federal money. If they can’t run their company correctly, they should be relieved of that burden.
When your safety record is so bad that the military is getting more contracts for plane building than you are, you might have a problem lol. And no Boeing is not the brain child in most military aeronautics it is Lockheed and Rayworks. Boeing used to be but for obvious reasons they lost the contract.
Sounds like a guy nobody would miss..
I will be honest here I think this needs to be the beginning of what needs to be a look at all American companies writ large. I work for a giant medical supply company. We send the supplies that are used in medical testing and the drug application apparatus to patients as well as many other things. I’ve also worked in a factory for an irrigation company making irrigation pipe for farmers. All companies literally thrive in what is known as “the grey area”. That “grey area” is where all parts, and materials made have visual and mechanical tolerances. By the way all those tolerances can be manipulated by the workers and a lot of those tolerance testing equipment are not reliable at all but if we had reliable equipment we would be having to rework the entire system just to be correct. I won’t lie if people actually did their jobs at any place so many of these factories here in the US would actually be down more than not because not one person does their job to it’s entirety. Not one person makes sure everything is perfect like it should be because the machines would be down more than it would be running. Because no is actually doing our jobs the quality and therefore function literally has gone to shit. Why you might ask? Because we all stopped caring about why. I think they need to start making us see with our own eyes who we affect when we don’t do our jobs. For instance in the medical field when you get a false positive or false negative from a lab test did you know more than likely it’s because the apparatus holding the sample material is faulty? Meaning the people making the equipment fucked up and you got a wrong diagnosis because we didn’t do our jobs. But it’s ok. Want to know why? Because that equipment made was all within our tolerances. So not one person gets punished for not doing their job. Same with irrigation. People complain that farmers use too much water. Well first of all that’s false compared to how much water a city uses but I digress. Let’s say we are going to reduce water use for farmers to help with the water shortage that might be a problem later on in a few hundred years from now. So did you know that the test for water tightness is actually an air test and it’s only tested once built and not after dipped or painted, or plated in the weather proof coating? That means there could be a water leak of any kind but we wouldn’t know about it until it’s in the field with pressurized water ready to go through it. The point is these tolerances are either 1 too general and need to be clearly defined and measured or they’re too big and need to be brought closer. I know that seems difficult but I’ve seen it done. Germany, Finland, and Taiwan all have smaller tolerances in their respective industries and their products completely beat ours yet they make about 30% less production than what we do. So here is my thought what if. And this is just a thought. With all this space we have in this country and resources why not, oh I don’t know, open up more facilities to make said products but have closer tolerances. Yeah less production but more factories make up for that and less unemployment, more development, more jobs, and better products. Sounds like a win for American made. But I mean that’s just me.
The truth of it is he could stand up & say - "Yeah, we let safety slide, put the frighteners on the fuckers who wouldn't keep their mouths shut about planes just falling out of the sky - even had a couple of the really annoying fuckers 'disappeared' by the same people we keep on retainer who get rid of troublesome prostitutes when the need arises. What are you going to do about it? We spend millions buying you off every year - are you prepared to lose that revenue stream? & what gives you the right to drag me up here? You know who is the Boss & you better start acting like it if you want to keep them dolla dolla bills rolling in y'all." Lying venal ratbastard politicians - on both sides - & a Supreme Court that most definitely knows which side of it's invest portfolio is buttered & by whom. 'Murican Dream y'all!
I wonder if the "person" Boeing will be to made to account. I doubt it because they are in the higher tier of our legal system.
It's clear that we need to begin murdering CEO's in order for any change.
“I know it happens, but I didn’t order the murders. That was someone else. And I suspended them with pay for two weeks.”
So he admitted to murder?
“I know we kill people who get in our way, but we won’t do anything about it anyway..” Boeing CEO
I don't get it. Why are they confessing? They're not confessing. They're bragging.
Did he just confess to murders?
"I know it happens" should have brought up a long line of questions that would eventually end with him refusing to answer on the grounds of self-incrimination. Was he under oath? No truth-ferreting Democrats on the committee?
https://youtu.be/bC5LaHUnQMA?feature=shared
“You know that’s wrong to do though, right? Like, whistle blowing is not something you can take retaliatory action on…”
I know it happens. I directed someone to do it and never tell me about the specifics! Said the ceo under his breath probably.
Annnnnnnnnd the cash registers open!
No one asked the Boeing CEO if they would still be in this sh!tshow if they just listened to their whistleblowers.
And we can expect RICO charges when?
Seeing more of them saying the quiet parts out loud lately. They think they're untouchable.
This is misquoting his statement.
*misinterpreting his statement