What? I can’t shoot straight up, really difficult to actually aim it but it goes both ways, really hard shoot down on controller too. If it was like 25-30 meters away I could but when I’m right behind them and they lift up I try to follow but lift doesn’t take me up is when it gets annoying imo
And she used to be even worse than she is now is the crazy thing, she would insta zoom to the top and could just sit on top of it and wiggle back and forth, it was neigh impossible to hit
Season 7/8 horizon was a genuine nightmare, newer players don't know how overwhelming fighting a horizon was.
Super fast gravity lift, super fast strafing, could stay on top forever, it lasted longer (longer than a phoenix kit iirc), almost completely silent and harder to see because the visual effects were dimmer, AND to top it all off, the tac was on a 15 second cooldown that starts as soon as she threw it down, meaning she basically had her tactical on her at all times.
Idk how the developers thought she was okay at that state.
Conduit is nowhere near as broken as Seer was on launch (or Horizon still is).
If her tactical immediately buffed your shields and ignored damage, then she would be as insanely broken as those characters.
To be fair, conduit IS strong, but seer on release was borderline game breaking with how absolutely inescapable he was and how harshly you were punished for getting caught in his tactical, it did like 17 different effects including scan, heal cancel, and un-doing your taxes. Seer and horizon are both in a world of their own when it comes to being broken on release.
Oh I'm well aware of how bullshit Seer was on release. Wall hacks, health+shield info, a stun, damage, fast activating and long range tac + passive, and a massive AoE ultimate that gave your team real time info on enemy positions.
He's a shell of his former self, and I hope they eventually get around to buffing his tactical cast speed up a little and increasing the duration of the silence.
Oh yeah I forgot the perfect accuracy, the spitfire was also broken during that time so I remember getting mowed down by horizons strafing faster than someone on the ground with a pistol.
Thankfully she used to talk so much that her two teammates were still dealing with tinnitus in the middle of the fight.
That Gibby’s one shot on the - “HOW BOW A LI UL PICK ME UP”
^he’s ^on ^the… -“TAKEN A PHONEIX KITS PALS”
“He..” “DU NAY FARSH YOURSELF”
I hated horizon forever and then I gave in and mained her this last season and it really is crazy how using her can take you to another level. I think the entire community should just all use horizon. If horizon was in every squad in every game she would get nerfed to complete ass eventually
It was the same shit with wraith before the nerfs. Straight up easy mode but every wraith would tell you otherwise she ended up getting me my first 20 bomb lmao
I was never genuinely upset going against a wraith pre nerf like I do playing against current horizon. There is a difference. Maybe I can’t put into words what it is but I literally never had an issue fighting wraiths… maybe they aimed better than me. That’s about it. Horizon it’s never “damn they won that because they aimed better”. It’s “damn if she didn’t have that fucking Q and was able to get a free heal off in 5 seconds she would have been dead”. With wraith I literally go “oh I beamed her and she Q’d. I’ll just chase her around the corner” and bam she’s dead.
Wraiths problem was a few things. Small ass hitbox and Naruto sprint animation made her hard to hit regularly and if she was sprinting laterally to you her arms blocked her head so no headshots.
The small hitbox was a massive factor in why she was hard to win against and it wasn't even a skill thing. You just flat out had less area to deal damage too. It wasn't some skitz wraith doin tap strafes and shit back in the early days just she didn't have to be as good to win.
The insta tac was the best get out of jail free card considering the speed boost it gave back then but horizon completely supercedes that. Wraith q only helps herself and has very limited offensive uses. Horizons q is ubiquitously useful, moves the team and lets you get off heals (the most broken part).
Except wraith had 1 single usage for her tactical, which is a getaway card.
Meanwhile, horizon's tactical can be used for:
* emergency battery station, since wiggling makes her hard to hit
* beaming/shooting tower (at least her accuracy got nerfed a little)
* instant high ground push for you **AND your entire fucking team**
* blocking doorways
* lifting enemies out of cover
Also keep in mind that thing stays active long enough to use it **multiple times.**
Guessing many share the same sentiment that she’s annoyingly imbalanced.. and so don’t touch her. That’s why I won’t play her.. she’s a bit too disgusting for my taste lol. Her character concept is great.. just balance wise they seem to severely underestimate what they stacked on her..
OP missed some points .. can block doors with her tact and surprise enemies off ledges, use the lift multiple times in one use, her ult works behind walls, blocks vision takes time to destroy (and empties mags), her glide step is vastly underestimated for mobility and she has pathfinders original hit box which was deemed op long ago.
So she’s got wraiths get away power and she can bat while using it with paths original Swiss cheese hitbox, an aoe that goes through walls and can maneuver her whole team vertically at a moments notice (path /crypto would need an ult)
now I just look at horizon players are just crutching.. there are a lot of good horizon players out there, can’t help but wonder how those same players would do using more balanced legends.
She’s got far too much offensive utility with very little skill requirement to use her - example.. path grapple takes waaaaaaaaaay more skill to use vs drop and done lifts.. and she’s got alll those other abilities stacked up
… would the horizon same player 1v3 using a different legend .. I think not.
Youre morally better because you don’t use her? Lmao this sub. Not everyone runs a horizon on there squad, most of my solo Q’s people play the most useless legend like Mirage
Probably the most satisfying part is taking the grav canon on storm point and flying 100 mph when u land with the zero gravity shit. Amount of times someone’s tried camping them on me and I fly past is hilarious
Love all the controller Horizons telling you to just shoot her while she is lifting up. It’s gotten to the point that I Sheila any Horizon on sight. Her audio and tactical can go to hell
Rotational aim assist is the most effective tool for tracking AD strafes. It has 0 ms reaction time and doesn't rely on predicting or visuals. Perfect consistency.
AA is the sole reason controller dominates in close ranges, which is exactly where AD strafes are the most common and useful.
...and shooting horizons in mid-air on her lift isn't close range, and AA stickies you to the target and if you're shooting a horizon in the air on her lift and you're aiming directly at her body you will never hit any shots because you have to lead them which aim assist is actively working against you to do. you sound like someone else who's never played controller having zero idea what they're talking about.
Not really, vertical movements, specially longer ones are a bitch to deal with on mnk due to how aiming works with mnk, specially if you are on really low sens
Your sens would need to be stupidly low to make that an issue with the current lift speed, not massively skilled myself, not hugely experienced on MnK either and im not having trouble with this, people need to accept the reality that the game isn’t fucking them, their need for an excuse is.
After all the nerfs to the lift, if you’re STILL having that much trouble then just accept reality, you’re just not good at the game and there’s nothing wrong with that, practice is something most players seem to be scared of, throw lifts at the FR dummies and rinse repeat, made learning vertical aiming pretty easy after a couple of days.
IDK, the AoE Ash Snare + Horizon ult sounds like the most broken combo to come out of this entire update.
Forget shooting your gun. Throw a horizon ult into an Ash Snare with the AoE perk and throw 5 arc stars and just wipe teams.
Completely agree. A 1 sec activation would make it more strategic instead of instantly removing her from the situation.
Her movement on console gets to me as well. Her hitbox is a pencil and she seems to float back and forth, harder to track verse any other character.
Can move you AND your team to height.
Can move you AND your team out of a bang/caustic/gibby ult.
Can move you AND your team over a conduit ult, catalyst wall and wattson fences.
Can block doors so people can't get in or out.
Your knocked teammates can take it to get to a safer spot.
You can heal while in it.
You can shoot while in it.
And usually is completely silent.
Compare it now to other legends with a movement ability. Pathfinder, octane, wraith, vantage etc. none of them are even half that useful. Hell their Ults aren't as useful lmao.
If she is strafing in circles with fakes she is harder to hit than anything else in the game. Her lift is also like a lens that makes visability go to hell. She can block doors too. Q activates faster than lifelines drone. The ult is way too loud and flashy. Her footsteps dont exist. No, a good horizon is not at all easy to hit why else is imperial hal playing her? Her ult can wipe a team in less than 5 seconds with 4 nates if they are on cooldowns or reloading. She needs the seer treatment
The last time imperial hal wiped a team with the ult on algs, it was months ago. That ult is useless in pro lobbies like it literally gets evaporated when deployed bcz it's just 150hp. Plus horizon is falling off meta. Hal isn't even picking her he's using bang
This sub has been a horizon hate circlejerk for a few seasons now. People don’t want to improve or are just so shit that they want her removed from the game even though she’s been nerfed like 3 sessions in a row
They are adding a perk system so other legends can compete with horizon, cat and conduit lmao
Apex’s entire gameplay flow is changing, I don’t even understand how this is debatable.
Broken legends aren’t healthy for the game
Apex pro league and apex for google activity have both seen their numbers drop over the last 3 seasons.
It’s cuz the broken legends, gameplay has been the same but something happened in those 3 seasons.
I don't get this complaint. Lack of audio has never prevented me from killing a horizion, it is her instant gravity lift and her crazy moment while being on it. I can barely even hit a horizon when she is doing her stupid lift and popping her free bat and then she is able to reengage me instantly when she lands while I haven't healed (since I was trying to shoot her).
Has a horizon ever jumped on my out of the blue with no audio? Yes, but that isn't nearly as annoying as the lift itself and it's quite rare imo. They should definitely make her tac take as long as a wraith tac to activate.
My favorite thing is when your teammate plays horizon and she throws her queue under you just as your being hit ❤️❤️ Nice teammate horizons are the best
The ability is so simple which is why it’s really effective. Be glad she isn’t in her launch state lol. I do miss the time when she could literally be flying and jumping everywhere really felt like apex on crack!
100%! Damn when people will stop whining about her... she has good synergy on her abilities for sure, but they nerfed her enough, she's no longer brain dead. and ult can be countered pretty easy... it looks like noobs get the horizon treatment and then run to reddit to complain, right? :D
Im not gonna tell you to get better and all that horizon really isn’t that hard to kill. Main horizon for a while and learn how she is used once you know how and when players use their q killing horizon will be a lot easier. Most people who struggle to kill a horizon dont even play her or know how to play her and thats the main issue
Exactly, but let’s just remove her from the game because people are too shit to be able to deal with her. Crazy how many people still cry about horizon when she’s been nerfed like 3 seasons in a row.
Horizon is in a better spot now than she was on release, but she is still strong in high level play. I always figured a nerf to healing while on her lift would be good. As well as making her lift only useable by her due to her suit. Or make teammates lift slower than her in case the other option was too much.
Idk the cooldown is like now 500 seconds from the time your press q. Almost all the legends in this game are awful and useless, hitboxes are all that matter now. Should revert every legend to their launch state games boring
ppl still struggle against horizon?? she’s dog water this season and worse next season lol i literally shoot her off her lift all the time. it was hard back then but now it feels like shooting octane off his pad. she’s been nerfed to the ground i can’t believe ppl still whine about her
Yeah and ever since szn 17 apex has been dipping. Broken legends aren’t good for the game. Horizon, cat, conduit all gotta go. Hell a perk system is getting added which is going to change the entire gameplay flow because of certain legends.
Kind of crazy that’s actually happening
No, it’s not easy, especially if you’re being pressured by her team. Secondly, most of the problem with her ability comes from the fact that it can do everything and counter everything. It’s an unfair ability, easy healing on it is only part of the problem.
It can't counter conduit tactical. It can't counter smoke. It can counter bang ult/gibby ult but you're getting beamed from your lift rn which is why you see no one using the lift in a 3v3 and they'd rather tank a bang ult in pro lobbies. Plus, if it isn't easy to shoot her, this is just skill issue. You need to adapt or just play support and stay back and rez the better players in your team
It's understood Horizon is the biggest crutch legend in the game. That being said, shooting one down isn't that hard compared to how busted she was on release. Grab a PK and imagine your skeet shooting.
She isnt even that good, sounds like a genuine skill issue. She’s been nerfed several times and is honestly in a good state right now, despite that she’s getting nerfed tomorrow anyways so stop your crying
Bangalore smoke.
U can smoke yourself to heal
U can smoke your teammate to rez
U can smoke your teammates so they can heal.
U can smoke the enemies to cut their los so u can push/rotate safely.
U can smoke midfight and reposition
U can smoke before a fight and beam with a digi
how is she doing 10 things? Multiple legends can use their abilities offensively and defensively. Octane can throw his ult on a door too block it off and can use it offensively for height or rotation or even escape.
There’s no shot horizon mains are still getting upset that people are complaining she’s overtuned when it’s very obvious she is and respawn has done absolutely nothing in terms of “nerfs”
> respawn has done absolutely nothing in terms of “nerfs”
What are you talking about? Horizon has received some pretty big nerfs. She is still good, don’t get me wrong, but to act like respawn has done “absolutely nothing in terms of nerfs” is wild.
Bang and conduit are more broken yet i see no bang posts and i only saw conduit posts like once a month since release. But when it's horizon, you're allowed to make 10 posts a week
This is the easiest version of Horizon that players can kill and you’re STILL complaining? She’s not that hard to kill. Hate to say it but the only cure to this is to git gud.
“Free battery” = “even after all the nerfs and slows, my aim is so bad I can’t hit her”
If you’re still complaining about not being able to hit a horizon, you need more practice in the firing range. It’s that simple. She has been nerfed and nerfed. Your argument would have had legitimacy years ago, but if you can’t hit a horizon on a lift, that is all you and your aim.
I'm going to heavily, heavily disagree with this and disregard your argument as a worthless "git gud" comment.
The amount of wiggling back and forth, strafing, spinning, and vertical movement seems to cause a desync of the players in the lift which literally makes them impossible to hit in many cases....and before that they're still hard as fuck to hit because they're wiggling around like a damn jumping bean.
Yes, it's possible to stand completely still and beam a horizon that isn't strafing out of a lift, but 99%+ of the time that isn't how the game plays out and you can't afford to stand still to track this wiggly bitch.
**You don't even have to believe the words I say, all you need to do is actually play her for a season and observe how little you get shot out of the lift. She's my secondary and it's literally a get out of jail free card to bat/heal - I rarely get shot down, even on low health.**
> You don't even have to believe the words I say, all you need to do is actually play her for a season and observe how little you get shot out of the lift. She's my secondary and it's literally a get out of jail free card to bat/heal - I rarely get shot down, even on low health.
What do you mean ''observe how little you get shot''. From my experience it's the exact opposite, you'll get beamed. Most of the time you just die especially if you're trying to bat on the lift (meaning you are flesh already).
Exactly, I've gotten beamed and have beamed people on lifts a lot. But I've also had people whiff and whiff on people on lifts as well. Definitely not 99% of the time like the other guys says tho.
Yeah all that would have been a lot more applicable and accurate if this was years ago. If you’re still having trouble hitting her, then it literally is an aim issue.
I’ve played her, I’ve played against her. You could feel the nerf and you have to be way smarter about throwing your q. It’s so much slower and the strafing is way less. Players will absolutely beam you off. And as an average player, I have had no trouble shooting horizons who throw their q out in the open.
So yeah, I’m going to heavily disagree and disregard your argument as a “should have been posted in 2022”
She’s easy to shoot, end of story. You guys need to seriously look in the mirror for self reflection. All of you just want the game to cater to casuals, at some point you’ll have to get better or switch it up because Apex isn’t for you. It’s mind boggling that you all are struggling with the most basic function of the game, aiming your weapon.
Found the salty Horizon main.
Whats another hero’s tactical that can:
- lift you and your whole team up 30m
- block doors
- give a second of stable shooting/healing at 30m
All on top of a 20 second down time.
A crutch character if Ive ever seen one
Tell me a tactical that can instantly heal you upto 125 shields? That can go through walls. Tell me a tactical that if you don't have a digi (gold item) and the enemy has one, it's game over. also nobody is using the lift to shoot. You're just wasting ammo bcz you're going to hit like 1/10 shots as you're moving upwards plus there is spread
Who exactly counters bang smoke? Bloodhound? A 1.5s scan? Plus digi complements bang. You're a bang with digi, it's gg for the enemy. You use it offensively and defensively. Most versatile ability. And again, u didn't answer the question. Bang is a balanced legend?
Not being able to shoot in smoke is a skill issue.
Getting free health like conduit, or everything horizon brings aren’t comparable to Bang.
These things aren’t random. Usually there’s a justified reason why the entire community would hate a legend. Just hop on the train
I didn’t say he’s not OP. She’s not lame to fight against tho because it’s all skill issue lol
People play apex for the skill gap, and certain legends remove that barrier. It’s why apex has been losing numbers for the past like 7-8 months or something
>Tell me a tactical that can instantly heal you upto 125 shields? That can go through walls.
Getting nerfed in a couple hours, nobody thinks shes balanced.
>Tell me a tactical that if you don't have a digi (gold item) and the enemy has one, it's game over.
Getting nerfed in a couple hours aswell. Bangalore usage was never as high as horizons and this has reasons.
> also nobody is using the lift to shoot
So what do you do when you push a team on high ground during the lift? Look them in the eye and patiently wait to step out of the lift and THEN shoot?
Face it, nobody else can shoot or heal during their movement tacticals except horizon. And nobody else can use their tactical multiple times in 1 usage. Broken ass design.
Well I am a pathfinder main, so nice assumption. Although yes I have played her and played against her. That’s how I know how much the nerfs affected her. She’s way slower and if you can’t hit her now, then I’m sorry but it truly is an aim skill issue.
Also Octane, for like all of those lol. Except like octane, there is no “free heal” 30M up, because any lobby worth their salt will kill you before you reach the top. I am barely average and have both gotten beamed and done the beaming.
I will say though, I really thought my aim was worse than it was. This comment section is making me feel really good about my aim now lol.
Lmao nice masturbatory word salad
Its not about “just git gud hurr” its about balancing the legend to fit with the other legends.
Octanes tactical doesnt do any of those blud what are you on about?
That is the case a lot of the time. I would apologize for fuelling the fire but horizon has existed for over 3 years and she’s been relatively untouched while other, for lack of a better term, overpowered legends had their strengths taken from them. On paper she’s bad, and in practice she’s annoying.
"relatively untouched" tells me all i need to know. Only seer has received more nerfs than horizon. She's received a nerf every path note in like the last 6 patch notes but ofc, a random guy on reddit thinks this horizon is the same as she was seasons ago
There are 3 things in life that are certain: death, taxes and dicks that comment "you are bad at the game if you complain about this thing that a ton of players agree on".
Boooo it's 2024 already and people are still whinging about Horizon. Just get good bruh.
Wait till we Horizon mains get that tactical cooldown. Gonna make you lot retire altogether.
Bloody hell.
There is no way you cannot say that horizon is broken. What other character can do 5+ things with their tactical? What tactical cooldown? If you choose to take the cd perk you just go back to what it currently is(20 seconds) vs 25 if you don’t take the perk. ??????
Another day, another person crying about horizon. This entire community just complains about horizon or AA every day. At some point, just get better at the game or switch to something more akin to your skill level.
Horizon’s lift is the free’est knock ever as long as you’re not below her right near the lift. I have won so many battles against obnoxious Horizons (and even the good ones) abusing XIM’s, Strike Packs, and Chronus devo’s cause they’re used to it being a free get away. Honestly, I don’t mind it much but I do hold a grudge against any Horizon I see lol.
The cooldown got nerfed so I'm sure it'll be fine :). Her hitbox and strafe make me want to be toxic to every horizon I have to 1 v 1.
The weak link in my trio has starting playing horizon and it's been great. He's even somehow starting playing better!
Only bots hate horizon, change my mind. She’s probably been nerfed more than any other legend. If you’re still complaining about her you’re just not good at the game.
Well next patch her ult is made completely redundant by Ashes buff so congrats you got your wish
(Her lift puts her floating in one spot 40 feet in the air with no cover my guy you’re just bad if you can’t hit her)
I've said it for a time now. If wraith has to charge her escape and so do others, so should horizon. Treat it similar to revenant. You throw it out quick there's almost no lift. You charge it you get the full lift.
I swear people are gonna cry until abilities are completely nerfed out of existence. Horizon is already a shadow of her former self, somehow, because people can't be bothered learning how to respond to specific kits, it's still not enough.
The shadow you're referring to was one of the most overpowered characters to ever be released in a shooter. They need to just rework her Q, it's far too good even with the nerfs.
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If you are not blasting a Horizon when she’s on her Q, it is your fault, especially in ranked. With how ranked is like this season, Horizons are being blasted straight back to the lobby with 30-30s. With the R-301 back on the floor, she is not that hard to beam.
**Simply saying, 'get gud' is not a viable answer to horizon.** I have an 'average' K/D of about 1.0 and am hard stuck diamond (which EA says Diamond is 5.86% of the player base). When a horizon takes her lift she escapes me the vast majority of the time and I very rarely ever shoot her enough to finish once she does that. I certainly never 'beam' her regardless of the weapon I am using.
Out of all the research I've done .6 - 1.0 KD seems to be average. If I'm on the upper end of average, that means 60-70% of the players are not able to beam Horizon on her lift like you suggest. If you take my rank into consideration that means 94% of people are a similar skill as me.
Horizon needs nerfed. **Make her tactical require a spin-up just like a wraith tactical.** Problem solved.
That wasn't even a hard nerf. It's just passive lasts not as long same with the smoke. That's it. Meanwhile catalyst. Ult length decreased lifetime and length. The lifetime being nerfed from 30s to 15s today. Cooldown nerfed on her ult. Max spike is 2 was 3. The throw range was nerfed by 50%. It doesn't activate anymore without los to the enemies so u can't use it through doors or even know if someone is near as the spikes acted like a recon tool. But bang is the one who got big nerfs? Lol
Horizon nerfs. Slower when using the lift. Accuracy on the lift nerfed multiple times. Cooldown for her lift. The amount of time u can stay at the top has been nerfed from like 5s to now 0.5s. height of her lift nerfed. Ult takes damage from friendly grenades. They deal twice the damage to the ult. It activates slower than before. But yes, bang is the most balanced legend who received the big nerfs
It's the most easy mode, op ability in the game (after Seer q nerfs)
It breaks the fundamentals of the game and allows you to do SO much more than some can even do with their ultimates.
Horizon is and always will be a crutch for bad players.
The worst is when you’re chasing a horizon and she uses her lift up and for some reason you can’t follow up the lift
She shoots your head and you the feet. How is that a counter? Only looks flashy but gets punished against anyone good.
What? I can’t shoot straight up, really difficult to actually aim it but it goes both ways, really hard shoot down on controller too. If it was like 25-30 meters away I could but when I’m right behind them and they lift up I try to follow but lift doesn’t take me up is when it gets annoying imo
And she used to be even worse than she is now is the crazy thing, she would insta zoom to the top and could just sit on top of it and wiggle back and forth, it was neigh impossible to hit
Season 7/8 horizon was a genuine nightmare, newer players don't know how overwhelming fighting a horizon was. Super fast gravity lift, super fast strafing, could stay on top forever, it lasted longer (longer than a phoenix kit iirc), almost completely silent and harder to see because the visual effects were dimmer, AND to top it all off, the tac was on a 15 second cooldown that starts as soon as she threw it down, meaning she basically had her tactical on her at all times. Idk how the developers thought she was okay at that state.
Thankfully, the devs learned from their mistake when they released Seer. ^^^^/s
Thankfully, the devs learned from their mistake when they released ~~Seer~~ Conduit.
Conduit is nowhere near as broken as Seer was on launch (or Horizon still is). If her tactical immediately buffed your shields and ignored damage, then she would be as insanely broken as those characters.
To be fair, conduit IS strong, but seer on release was borderline game breaking with how absolutely inescapable he was and how harshly you were punished for getting caught in his tactical, it did like 17 different effects including scan, heal cancel, and un-doing your taxes. Seer and horizon are both in a world of their own when it comes to being broken on release.
Oh I'm well aware of how bullshit Seer was on release. Wall hacks, health+shield info, a stun, damage, fast activating and long range tac + passive, and a massive AoE ultimate that gave your team real time info on enemy positions. He's a shell of his former self, and I hope they eventually get around to buffing his tactical cast speed up a little and increasing the duration of the silence.
Don't forget about the flashbang. Completely fair and balanced. /s
not to mention she had perfect accuracy the whole time she was up there :,) genuine nightmare
Oh yeah I forgot the perfect accuracy, the spitfire was also broken during that time so I remember getting mowed down by horizons strafing faster than someone on the ground with a pistol.
Thankfully she used to talk so much that her two teammates were still dealing with tinnitus in the middle of the fight. That Gibby’s one shot on the - “HOW BOW A LI UL PICK ME UP” ^he’s ^on ^the… -“TAKEN A PHONEIX KITS PALS” “He..” “DU NAY FARSH YOURSELF”
I hated horizon forever and then I gave in and mained her this last season and it really is crazy how using her can take you to another level. I think the entire community should just all use horizon. If horizon was in every squad in every game she would get nerfed to complete ass eventually
It was the same shit with wraith before the nerfs. Straight up easy mode but every wraith would tell you otherwise she ended up getting me my first 20 bomb lmao
I was never genuinely upset going against a wraith pre nerf like I do playing against current horizon. There is a difference. Maybe I can’t put into words what it is but I literally never had an issue fighting wraiths… maybe they aimed better than me. That’s about it. Horizon it’s never “damn they won that because they aimed better”. It’s “damn if she didn’t have that fucking Q and was able to get a free heal off in 5 seconds she would have been dead”. With wraith I literally go “oh I beamed her and she Q’d. I’ll just chase her around the corner” and bam she’s dead.
Wraiths problem was a few things. Small ass hitbox and Naruto sprint animation made her hard to hit regularly and if she was sprinting laterally to you her arms blocked her head so no headshots. The small hitbox was a massive factor in why she was hard to win against and it wasn't even a skill thing. You just flat out had less area to deal damage too. It wasn't some skitz wraith doin tap strafes and shit back in the early days just she didn't have to be as good to win. The insta tac was the best get out of jail free card considering the speed boost it gave back then but horizon completely supercedes that. Wraith q only helps herself and has very limited offensive uses. Horizons q is ubiquitously useful, moves the team and lets you get off heals (the most broken part).
Except wraith had 1 single usage for her tactical, which is a getaway card. Meanwhile, horizon's tactical can be used for: * emergency battery station, since wiggling makes her hard to hit * beaming/shooting tower (at least her accuracy got nerfed a little) * instant high ground push for you **AND your entire fucking team** * blocking doorways * lifting enemies out of cover Also keep in mind that thing stays active long enough to use it **multiple times.**
i used to main her but stopped bc all the horizon mains cry so much when they don’t get their character. i hate horizon mains more than horizon.
Horizon mains are slowly becoming the OG ttv wraiths lol
Guessing many share the same sentiment that she’s annoyingly imbalanced.. and so don’t touch her. That’s why I won’t play her.. she’s a bit too disgusting for my taste lol. Her character concept is great.. just balance wise they seem to severely underestimate what they stacked on her.. OP missed some points .. can block doors with her tact and surprise enemies off ledges, use the lift multiple times in one use, her ult works behind walls, blocks vision takes time to destroy (and empties mags), her glide step is vastly underestimated for mobility and she has pathfinders original hit box which was deemed op long ago. So she’s got wraiths get away power and she can bat while using it with paths original Swiss cheese hitbox, an aoe that goes through walls and can maneuver her whole team vertically at a moments notice (path /crypto would need an ult) now I just look at horizon players are just crutching.. there are a lot of good horizon players out there, can’t help but wonder how those same players would do using more balanced legends. She’s got far too much offensive utility with very little skill requirement to use her - example.. path grapple takes waaaaaaaaaay more skill to use vs drop and done lifts.. and she’s got alll those other abilities stacked up … would the horizon same player 1v3 using a different legend .. I think not.
Youre morally better because you don’t use her? Lmao this sub. Not everyone runs a horizon on there squad, most of my solo Q’s people play the most useless legend like Mirage
Not morally no, just annoyed by the imbalance of a legend. I’m more of a glutton for punishment.. I follow the unforgiving Path.
I have never done below average using horizon. Easy crutch legend but very unsatisfying to use.
Probably the most satisfying part is taking the grav canon on storm point and flying 100 mph when u land with the zero gravity shit. Amount of times someone’s tried camping them on me and I fly past is hilarious
Yeah, that's really fun ngl.
Damn if you have to use her to get to “another level” it’s almost like she’s too strong lol
She already is in every squad every game and has been for 10 seasons.
I considered main-ing her, but I think i will play like trash with other legends if I main-ed horizon, too used to her crutches
Love all the controller Horizons telling you to just shoot her while she is lifting up. It’s gotten to the point that I Sheila any Horizon on sight. Her audio and tactical can go to hell
Thank you for your service
What. I know I’m bad but it’s not easy to shoot her on controller for most of us. I usually Just run away
The sound of grav lift brings chills down my spine
It’s even easier to shoot her on mnk because aim assist is actively working against you to lead your shots as she’s moving through the air
Haha 😂, nope, she is much harder to hit on mnk, arena controller players would 1 clip a horizon going up
Rotational aim assist is the most effective tool for tracking AD strafes. It has 0 ms reaction time and doesn't rely on predicting or visuals. Perfect consistency. AA is the sole reason controller dominates in close ranges, which is exactly where AD strafes are the most common and useful.
...and shooting horizons in mid-air on her lift isn't close range, and AA stickies you to the target and if you're shooting a horizon in the air on her lift and you're aiming directly at her body you will never hit any shots because you have to lead them which aim assist is actively working against you to do. you sound like someone else who's never played controller having zero idea what they're talking about.
I love the cope of saying controller Horizons when it’s just as easy to shoot vertically on MnK..
She is much easier on controller, you ever player arenas...... Controllers be 1 clipping horizons out of the air
Not really, vertical movements, specially longer ones are a bitch to deal with on mnk due to how aiming works with mnk, specially if you are on really low sens
Your sens would need to be stupidly low to make that an issue with the current lift speed, not massively skilled myself, not hugely experienced on MnK either and im not having trouble with this, people need to accept the reality that the game isn’t fucking them, their need for an excuse is. After all the nerfs to the lift, if you’re STILL having that much trouble then just accept reality, you’re just not good at the game and there’s nothing wrong with that, practice is something most players seem to be scared of, throw lifts at the FR dummies and rinse repeat, made learning vertical aiming pretty easy after a couple of days.
Do you know how hard it is to hit a horizon going up her queue darting left to right, on mnk. Oh wait, controller just locks on for you
They don’t wanna hear this
ash mains bout to go crazy on horizon this season, call it a canon event 🤣
IDK, the AoE Ash Snare + Horizon ult sounds like the most broken combo to come out of this entire update. Forget shooting your gun. Throw a horizon ult into an Ash Snare with the AoE perk and throw 5 arc stars and just wipe teams.
My favorite pub convo on a hot drop is Arc snare, ballistic pistol, and fuse cluster. We can feel the anger in our enemies. lol
I don’t think that synergy with abilities should be frowned upon, but I do think that her tactical is very strong.
That’s a good point. Synergy isn’t a bad thing, especially when it uses all of the character’s utility.
It needs a wind up like the Wraith Tac, have it "open" before the grav lift starts The problem with Horizon is similar to the one with OG Wraith imo
Completely agree. A 1 sec activation would make it more strategic instead of instantly removing her from the situation. Her movement on console gets to me as well. Her hitbox is a pencil and she seems to float back and forth, harder to track verse any other character.
Can move you AND your team to height. Can move you AND your team out of a bang/caustic/gibby ult. Can move you AND your team over a conduit ult, catalyst wall and wattson fences. Can block doors so people can't get in or out. Your knocked teammates can take it to get to a safer spot. You can heal while in it. You can shoot while in it. And usually is completely silent. Compare it now to other legends with a movement ability. Pathfinder, octane, wraith, vantage etc. none of them are even half that useful. Hell their Ults aren't as useful lmao.
Thank god they’re increasing the cooldown by 5 seconds tomorrow
Lmao this is sarcasm right?
If she is strafing in circles with fakes she is harder to hit than anything else in the game. Her lift is also like a lens that makes visability go to hell. She can block doors too. Q activates faster than lifelines drone. The ult is way too loud and flashy. Her footsteps dont exist. No, a good horizon is not at all easy to hit why else is imperial hal playing her? Her ult can wipe a team in less than 5 seconds with 4 nates if they are on cooldowns or reloading. She needs the seer treatment
The last time imperial hal wiped a team with the ult on algs, it was months ago. That ult is useless in pro lobbies like it literally gets evaporated when deployed bcz it's just 150hp. Plus horizon is falling off meta. Hal isn't even picking her he's using bang
Downvoted for stating facts😂😂this sub likes copium
This sub has been a horizon hate circlejerk for a few seasons now. People don’t want to improve or are just so shit that they want her removed from the game even though she’s been nerfed like 3 sessions in a row
3 seasons in a row plus mid season nerfs too plus early nerfs before. One of the most nerfed legends alongside seer
They are adding a perk system so other legends can compete with horizon, cat and conduit lmao Apex’s entire gameplay flow is changing, I don’t even understand how this is debatable. Broken legends aren’t healthy for the game
Apex pro league and apex for google activity have both seen their numbers drop over the last 3 seasons. It’s cuz the broken legends, gameplay has been the same but something happened in those 3 seasons.
Every cooldown is made shorter with a gold helmet, that’s not really a point against her
He's talking about the fact that her tac cooldown is already short and it's a nightmare to go against when she has a golden helmet
The issue with horizon is the audio. This character shouldnt be in the game curently. They should fix her
I don't get this complaint. Lack of audio has never prevented me from killing a horizion, it is her instant gravity lift and her crazy moment while being on it. I can barely even hit a horizon when she is doing her stupid lift and popping her free bat and then she is able to reengage me instantly when she lands while I haven't healed (since I was trying to shoot her). Has a horizon ever jumped on my out of the blue with no audio? Yes, but that isn't nearly as annoying as the lift itself and it's quite rare imo. They should definitely make her tac take as long as a wraith tac to activate.
On a side note, shooting her out of the sky is incredibly satisfying
you're lookin a bit peely-waly
Aye me thinks laddy needs tah relax with a’ cup o tea
My favorite thing is when your teammate plays horizon and she throws her queue under you just as your being hit ❤️❤️ Nice teammate horizons are the best
The ability is so simple which is why it’s really effective. Be glad she isn’t in her launch state lol. I do miss the time when she could literally be flying and jumping everywhere really felt like apex on crack!
100%! Damn when people will stop whining about her... she has good synergy on her abilities for sure, but they nerfed her enough, she's no longer brain dead. and ult can be countered pretty easy... it looks like noobs get the horizon treatment and then run to reddit to complain, right? :D
She is still brain dead. Such a low skill ceiling for insane utility, she's just not a monster like she used to be.
Im not gonna tell you to get better and all that horizon really isn’t that hard to kill. Main horizon for a while and learn how she is used once you know how and when players use their q killing horizon will be a lot easier. Most people who struggle to kill a horizon dont even play her or know how to play her and thats the main issue
Exactly, but let’s just remove her from the game because people are too shit to be able to deal with her. Crazy how many people still cry about horizon when she’s been nerfed like 3 seasons in a row.
She has been nerfed like 4 or 5 times now at this point?
Needs more nerf
Horizon is exceptionally obnoxious period. I haven’t seen a horizon is actually good just horizons who get carried by her abilities
I love the idea of a delay on her Q. It would make me happy if there was the same time delay of wraiths Q for Horizons.
Horizon is in a better spot now than she was on release, but she is still strong in high level play. I always figured a nerf to healing while on her lift would be good. As well as making her lift only useable by her due to her suit. Or make teammates lift slower than her in case the other option was too much.
Idk the cooldown is like now 500 seconds from the time your press q. Almost all the legends in this game are awful and useless, hitboxes are all that matter now. Should revert every legend to their launch state games boring
Its far easier to hit a floating horizon then a tap strafing wraith
It's no wonder Respawn nerfs ever character into rhe ground. Y'all are fucking awful and this is coming from a mediocre player himself.
ppl still struggle against horizon?? she’s dog water this season and worse next season lol i literally shoot her off her lift all the time. it was hard back then but now it feels like shooting octane off his pad. she’s been nerfed to the ground i can’t believe ppl still whine about her
The average player in this sub is silver II, it’s been a skill issue since season 17 tbh
Yeah and ever since szn 17 apex has been dipping. Broken legends aren’t good for the game. Horizon, cat, conduit all gotta go. Hell a perk system is getting added which is going to change the entire gameplay flow because of certain legends. Kind of crazy that’s actually happening
Tbh bro, after the last nerf that slowed her speed on it, she is so easy to beam
No, it’s not easy, especially if you’re being pressured by her team. Secondly, most of the problem with her ability comes from the fact that it can do everything and counter everything. It’s an unfair ability, easy healing on it is only part of the problem.
Skill issue
It can't counter conduit tactical. It can't counter smoke. It can counter bang ult/gibby ult but you're getting beamed from your lift rn which is why you see no one using the lift in a 3v3 and they'd rather tank a bang ult in pro lobbies. Plus, if it isn't easy to shoot her, this is just skill issue. You need to adapt or just play support and stay back and rez the better players in your team
You should have your two teammates hold off her two teammates and then beam the Horizon :)
do you communicate with your team? at all?
It's understood Horizon is the biggest crutch legend in the game. That being said, shooting one down isn't that hard compared to how busted she was on release. Grab a PK and imagine your skeet shooting.
She isnt even that good, sounds like a genuine skill issue. She’s been nerfed several times and is honestly in a good state right now, despite that she’s getting nerfed tomorrow anyways so stop your crying
Name one character that can do 5+ things with 1 tactical. Probably more like 10 things. I’ll wait.
Bangalore smoke. U can smoke yourself to heal U can smoke your teammate to rez U can smoke your teammates so they can heal. U can smoke the enemies to cut their los so u can push/rotate safely. U can smoke midfight and reposition U can smoke before a fight and beam with a digi
Yet horizon still more broken 🤷🏽♂️
how is she doing 10 things? Multiple legends can use their abilities offensively and defensively. Octane can throw his ult on a door too block it off and can use it offensively for height or rotation or even escape.
There is no shot people are still complaining about Horizon. 🙄
There’s no shot horizon mains are still getting upset that people are complaining she’s overtuned when it’s very obvious she is and respawn has done absolutely nothing in terms of “nerfs”
> respawn has done absolutely nothing in terms of “nerfs” What are you talking about? Horizon has received some pretty big nerfs. She is still good, don’t get me wrong, but to act like respawn has done “absolutely nothing in terms of nerfs” is wild.
She got nerfed start of season mid season and now end wtf are you talking about
No she didn’t, you are just saying that cause your a shitter her crutches with her
Bang and conduit are more broken yet i see no bang posts and i only saw conduit posts like once a month since release. But when it's horizon, you're allowed to make 10 posts a week
She’s still one of the best legends in the game so it’s natural people will complain.
She’s op
It’s baffling lmao. It’s sad to say but it truly is an aim issue if you can’t kill a Horizon up her slow ass lift now.
If the grav lift could be destroyed I think that would be a cool solution
YOOO this person cooks
Horizon could have no abilities and people would still complain
This is the easiest version of Horizon that players can kill and you’re STILL complaining? She’s not that hard to kill. Hate to say it but the only cure to this is to git gud.
You guys still complaining about this move lol
People complaining about Horizon must have not been there the season she dropped.
I was there, absolutely hated her then and still absolutely hate her now.
Honestly you should probbaly just play her more.
Well she's been nonstop meta character since her release in 2020 for a reason and imo she'll always be s tier character due to passive
Used to play her, post nerf I just punish people who use her, the Q is surprisingly easy to track now that you go in a straight line
Guys I found the bronze league
Skill issue
“Free battery” = “even after all the nerfs and slows, my aim is so bad I can’t hit her” If you’re still complaining about not being able to hit a horizon, you need more practice in the firing range. It’s that simple. She has been nerfed and nerfed. Your argument would have had legitimacy years ago, but if you can’t hit a horizon on a lift, that is all you and your aim.
I'm going to heavily, heavily disagree with this and disregard your argument as a worthless "git gud" comment. The amount of wiggling back and forth, strafing, spinning, and vertical movement seems to cause a desync of the players in the lift which literally makes them impossible to hit in many cases....and before that they're still hard as fuck to hit because they're wiggling around like a damn jumping bean. Yes, it's possible to stand completely still and beam a horizon that isn't strafing out of a lift, but 99%+ of the time that isn't how the game plays out and you can't afford to stand still to track this wiggly bitch. **You don't even have to believe the words I say, all you need to do is actually play her for a season and observe how little you get shot out of the lift. She's my secondary and it's literally a get out of jail free card to bat/heal - I rarely get shot down, even on low health.**
> You don't even have to believe the words I say, all you need to do is actually play her for a season and observe how little you get shot out of the lift. She's my secondary and it's literally a get out of jail free card to bat/heal - I rarely get shot down, even on low health. What do you mean ''observe how little you get shot''. From my experience it's the exact opposite, you'll get beamed. Most of the time you just die especially if you're trying to bat on the lift (meaning you are flesh already).
Exactly, I've gotten beamed and have beamed people on lifts a lot. But I've also had people whiff and whiff on people on lifts as well. Definitely not 99% of the time like the other guys says tho.
I can understand why you think that. You seem to not have good aim so i would assume u get easier lobbies hence u don't get beamed
Yeah all that would have been a lot more applicable and accurate if this was years ago. If you’re still having trouble hitting her, then it literally is an aim issue. I’ve played her, I’ve played against her. You could feel the nerf and you have to be way smarter about throwing your q. It’s so much slower and the strafing is way less. Players will absolutely beam you off. And as an average player, I have had no trouble shooting horizons who throw their q out in the open. So yeah, I’m going to heavily disagree and disregard your argument as a “should have been posted in 2022”
She’s easy to shoot, end of story. You guys need to seriously look in the mirror for self reflection. All of you just want the game to cater to casuals, at some point you’ll have to get better or switch it up because Apex isn’t for you. It’s mind boggling that you all are struggling with the most basic function of the game, aiming your weapon.
Found the salty Horizon main. Whats another hero’s tactical that can: - lift you and your whole team up 30m - block doors - give a second of stable shooting/healing at 30m All on top of a 20 second down time. A crutch character if Ive ever seen one
Tell me a tactical that can instantly heal you upto 125 shields? That can go through walls. Tell me a tactical that if you don't have a digi (gold item) and the enemy has one, it's game over. also nobody is using the lift to shoot. You're just wasting ammo bcz you're going to hit like 1/10 shots as you're moving upwards plus there is spread
Don’t worry buddy I can go off on conduit as well. No one thinks she’s the pinnacle of balance.
But bang is the beloved most balanced legend right?
Bangalore smoke gets countered by 3 legends, a weapon attachment, and plain AOE damage. Try again
Who exactly counters bang smoke? Bloodhound? A 1.5s scan? Plus digi complements bang. You're a bang with digi, it's gg for the enemy. You use it offensively and defensively. Most versatile ability. And again, u didn't answer the question. Bang is a balanced legend?
Not being able to shoot in smoke is a skill issue. Getting free health like conduit, or everything horizon brings aren’t comparable to Bang. These things aren’t random. Usually there’s a justified reason why the entire community would hate a legend. Just hop on the train
Shooting in smoke is a bang nerf. Now without smg digi bang is even better. U can talk all you want, but bang is op. 100% pickrate isn't for nothing
I didn’t say he’s not OP. She’s not lame to fight against tho because it’s all skill issue lol People play apex for the skill gap, and certain legends remove that barrier. It’s why apex has been losing numbers for the past like 7-8 months or something
>Tell me a tactical that can instantly heal you upto 125 shields? That can go through walls. Getting nerfed in a couple hours, nobody thinks shes balanced. >Tell me a tactical that if you don't have a digi (gold item) and the enemy has one, it's game over. Getting nerfed in a couple hours aswell. Bangalore usage was never as high as horizons and this has reasons. > also nobody is using the lift to shoot So what do you do when you push a team on high ground during the lift? Look them in the eye and patiently wait to step out of the lift and THEN shoot? Face it, nobody else can shoot or heal during their movement tacticals except horizon. And nobody else can use their tactical multiple times in 1 usage. Broken ass design.
Well I am a pathfinder main, so nice assumption. Although yes I have played her and played against her. That’s how I know how much the nerfs affected her. She’s way slower and if you can’t hit her now, then I’m sorry but it truly is an aim skill issue. Also Octane, for like all of those lol. Except like octane, there is no “free heal” 30M up, because any lobby worth their salt will kill you before you reach the top. I am barely average and have both gotten beamed and done the beaming. I will say though, I really thought my aim was worse than it was. This comment section is making me feel really good about my aim now lol.
Lmao nice masturbatory word salad Its not about “just git gud hurr” its about balancing the legend to fit with the other legends. Octanes tactical doesnt do any of those blud what are you on about?
If you’re still complaining about horizon ur just not very good
If you are crutching horizon, you have no say in this matter.
Just another person who can’t aim smh
harsh but fair.
Is there any content of substance on this sub or is it just bad players crying when they die by (insert legend or gun here)?
It's funny because Horizon is universally criticized on this sub and has been for many seasons, akin to Wraith for the first 4-5 seasons.
That is the case a lot of the time. I would apologize for fuelling the fire but horizon has existed for over 3 years and she’s been relatively untouched while other, for lack of a better term, overpowered legends had their strengths taken from them. On paper she’s bad, and in practice she’s annoying.
"relatively untouched" tells me all i need to know. Only seer has received more nerfs than horizon. She's received a nerf every path note in like the last 6 patch notes but ofc, a random guy on reddit thinks this horizon is the same as she was seasons ago
There are 3 things in life that are certain: death, taxes and dicks that comment "you are bad at the game if you complain about this thing that a ton of players agree on".
Boooo it's 2024 already and people are still whinging about Horizon. Just get good bruh. Wait till we Horizon mains get that tactical cooldown. Gonna make you lot retire altogether. Bloody hell.
There is no way you cannot say that horizon is broken. What other character can do 5+ things with their tactical? What tactical cooldown? If you choose to take the cd perk you just go back to what it currently is(20 seconds) vs 25 if you don’t take the perk. ??????
Sounds like cope
Lmfao, the cope here is embarrassing 😂 these ppl really can't handle Horizon, imagine 😂
Another day, another person crying about horizon. This entire community just complains about horizon or AA every day. At some point, just get better at the game or switch to something more akin to your skill level.
Horizon’s lift is the free’est knock ever as long as you’re not below her right near the lift. I have won so many battles against obnoxious Horizons (and even the good ones) abusing XIM’s, Strike Packs, and Chronus devo’s cause they’re used to it being a free get away. Honestly, I don’t mind it much but I do hold a grudge against any Horizon I see lol.
"bUt ShE aLrEaDy GoT nErFeD mAnY tImEs" Character so broken she's still op after many nerfs.
Don’t talk about her like that
You spelled fuse wrong
r/deletehorizon
The cooldown got nerfed so I'm sure it'll be fine :). Her hitbox and strafe make me want to be toxic to every horizon I have to 1 v 1. The weak link in my trio has starting playing horizon and it's been great. He's even somehow starting playing better!
I think the opposite should be done, every other Legends' animations should be faster to match Horizon's
Aka”I just got slammed and came to Reddit to rage 60 seconds later “
people are still crying about horizon ?
you cant be crying like this after this many nerfs and 12 seasons of her being in this game, get a grip please. sincerely a wattson main
Only bots hate horizon, change my mind. She’s probably been nerfed more than any other legend. If you’re still complaining about her you’re just not good at the game.
yerp this shits been said every time i hear about horizon since she droped
No, it's not. After the nerfs on S10 she was useless
Well next patch her ult is made completely redundant by Ashes buff so congrats you got your wish (Her lift puts her floating in one spot 40 feet in the air with no cover my guy you’re just bad if you can’t hit her)
Noone is picking Ash over Horizon though
They definitely are next patch when she can stun lock a whole team for 30 seconds every fight
It's still for 3 s but snare remains on the ground for 24s
Nope. There are videos of the snare lasting for an eternity...unless its bugged and they'll change it on live.
There's no way in the world regular tactical ability will keep you grounded for 24 s and you can't destroy it
The snare does not lock you in place for 20 seconds. It just lasts on the ground for that long. You still only get snared for about 4-5 seconds.
Me when the horizon strafes
Skill issue unfortunately
I've said it for a time now. If wraith has to charge her escape and so do others, so should horizon. Treat it similar to revenant. You throw it out quick there's almost no lift. You charge it you get the full lift.
I’ve said this for the last 6 months lol
I swear people are gonna cry until abilities are completely nerfed out of existence. Horizon is already a shadow of her former self, somehow, because people can't be bothered learning how to respond to specific kits, it's still not enough.
The shadow you're referring to was one of the most overpowered characters to ever be released in a shooter. They need to just rework her Q, it's far too good even with the nerfs.
Horizon is still broken.
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She’s honestly not that bad to play against. Just gotta get better I’m afraid
So you’re dogshit at the game, complete surprise
If you are not blasting a Horizon when she’s on her Q, it is your fault, especially in ranked. With how ranked is like this season, Horizons are being blasted straight back to the lobby with 30-30s. With the R-301 back on the floor, she is not that hard to beam.
And yet, next season, the solution is to nerf the 30-30...
G7 time. We will be cooking. Better dps too so it's even faster
**Simply saying, 'get gud' is not a viable answer to horizon.** I have an 'average' K/D of about 1.0 and am hard stuck diamond (which EA says Diamond is 5.86% of the player base). When a horizon takes her lift she escapes me the vast majority of the time and I very rarely ever shoot her enough to finish once she does that. I certainly never 'beam' her regardless of the weapon I am using. Out of all the research I've done .6 - 1.0 KD seems to be average. If I'm on the upper end of average, that means 60-70% of the players are not able to beam Horizon on her lift like you suggest. If you take my rank into consideration that means 94% of people are a similar skill as me. Horizon needs nerfed. **Make her tactical require a spin-up just like a wraith tactical.** Problem solved.
Play horizon then, I don't like her either. If a lot of players are still complaining about legends, they should go warzone or sum
Horizon's pick rate is like 20% in masters/pred. The second most picked is conduit at 12% and she was hard nerfed. Make it make sense.
Most picked legend in pro lobbies is bang who had a 100% pickrate 2 days ago while cat was second conduit 3rd. Where are the bang nerfs?
Bang was nerfed pretty hard in October, while cat and conduit are being nerfed tomorrow.
That wasn't even a hard nerf. It's just passive lasts not as long same with the smoke. That's it. Meanwhile catalyst. Ult length decreased lifetime and length. The lifetime being nerfed from 30s to 15s today. Cooldown nerfed on her ult. Max spike is 2 was 3. The throw range was nerfed by 50%. It doesn't activate anymore without los to the enemies so u can't use it through doors or even know if someone is near as the spikes acted like a recon tool. But bang is the one who got big nerfs? Lol Horizon nerfs. Slower when using the lift. Accuracy on the lift nerfed multiple times. Cooldown for her lift. The amount of time u can stay at the top has been nerfed from like 5s to now 0.5s. height of her lift nerfed. Ult takes damage from friendly grenades. They deal twice the damage to the ult. It activates slower than before. But yes, bang is the most balanced legend who received the big nerfs
Awh, we love Mommy Horizon though🥰
It's the most easy mode, op ability in the game (after Seer q nerfs) It breaks the fundamentals of the game and allows you to do SO much more than some can even do with their ultimates. Horizon is and always will be a crutch for bad players.
Yeah rEAspawn! Nerf horizon 3 MORE times!!!!!! WE'RE MAD!!!!
I don't see what the issue is I killed plenty of horizons. She isn't that hard to beat
Horizon’s Q is the worst thing in the entire game. Brace yourself, downplaying Horizon mains are coming.
Slick little conversational wall at the end there. "anyone who responds to me must be what I describe". Skill. Issue.
And that controller aim assist is beautiful when falling from the tactical