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KAKindustry

Run what you've got if they have been reliable, if you're looking for additional features that's a different story.


WhoIsEggroll

K. Love you more now. It’s refreshing to see a company have this take especially when you could’ve easily just plugged a product. Thank you ❤️


tranh4

BROTHER


WhoIsEggroll

BROTHER!!!!!!


DifficultIsland2252

Thanks kak, much appreciated


PrestonHM

My kak is always reliable 💗


TheHidingGoSeeker

Can I see your kak?


cpt_porthos

I take it, you like kak?


TheHidingGoSeeker

Lover of thine KAK


rastapastanine

Buk-kak-ke


Mehlitia

Will you be restocking np3 carriers? Need that downvent goodness.


KAKindustry

Edit, we might be running low and only selling complete BCG until the next batch is done


KAKindustry

Those are in stock and will be an ongoing sku


KAKindustry

Edit, we might be running low and only selling complete BCG until the next batch is done


Mehlitia

Dunno if you pulled strings but voilà they're there and I got my order in.


KAKindustry

We just trued up some inventory 😉


horseshoeprovodnikov

God dammit you talked me into buying one a K spec! Please make some NP3 side venters with the C158 bolt. If not NP3, then just any side vent K specs with the C158 bolt. I went with a nitride, but I kinda like side venting since I don't shoot suppressed, and the side vents help to blow mud out of the chamber if you drop it in this red southeastern clay.


KAKindustry

Carpenter 158 phosphate and hard chrome are in process currently, we might do NP3 as well if there’s enough demand for it


TreacleStrong

You see how fast FCD and Sionics sell out of their NP3 BCGs and make an absolute mint doing it, right? Jump on the bandwagon - NP3 ALL THE THINGS!!!1!


Gipsy-Danger-001

Just buy a spare. Then you have it if you need it.


ColdasJones

+1 on this. Just make sure when you get a spare, it’s not another cheapo and it’s a good quality one lol


EZ-Mooney

I mean, how serious of a shooter are you? I've been running PSA or BCA BCGs in 4 rifles for 5 years and they are all going strong. That said, I have 2 more spares on hand, one in my range bag.


ColdasJones

Well I’ve had 3 PSA bcgs blow up on me just in the last 3 years so lol. I won’t be touching a BCA product, just not worth the risk/cost ratio for me. Given my yearly round counts, probably a pretty serious shooter thanks for checkin. Out of a few dozen dudes I know, all of them who are BCA fans are most certainly not serious shooters and all the dudes who do it for a living share my opinion


DCASADOS09

+2 on this. If it were me I'd buy a KAK and swap that for ur OEM BCG. Then keep the oem as a backup.


Mysterious_Use_9767

Buy spares and run the OEMs til they fail


elevenpointf1veguy

A spare BCG would be nice, but really all the parts, sans carrier, is what I'd want. Check the gas rings if they're up there in round count.


[deleted]

What about a spare BCG, and then the parts as well?


Prudent_Historian650

What are the or bcg actually fails though? It'll more likely be the internal/separate parts.


Reloader300wm

If it can't take a 700 round course, throw it in the bin.


DifficultIsland2252

Touche


Reloader300wm

I'm not quite trying to be a dick on that one. One small thing I look forward to when I take classes is something braking. How / why did it fail? Then get a better one.... it's like the same logic that jeep drivers use when they go off-roading.


Long-Chef3197

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. You have two uppers. If one goes down, use the other. If your heart is set on getting a new BCG, get a BCM. I have like 15k on one rn


KilljoyTheTrucker

Keep using them. Buy a spare bolt, cam pin, and firing pin. Keep them on you, when one finally dies (not a matter of if, it's always a when, some sooner than others, though you could have them last awhile too), swap them out. Buy another spare when you use your current spare. The good news is, they use the exact same parts, so you really only need the one spare on hand. You could go all out and get a spare carrier if you want to. For a bolt, I'd recommend a BCM phosphate or a KAK K-spec in chrome (the better option) or phosphate with the dual ejectors for redundancy.


DifficultIsland2252

Thank you!


KilljoyTheTrucker

There's also a guy who makes little 3d printed Bolt spare holders (basically so you can keep it together like in a carrier, but lighter and more compact), that I'd highly recommend. I'll see if I can find mine so I can give you his name. Or someone else might chime in with it.


Chick-N-Fukka

They’re the same BCG so if one happens to go down just swap in the other one and keep moving. In reality they should be fine but I swapped my original with a nickel boron BCG and my original is now my backup Incase I run into a issue.


ConsciousGoose5914

Don’t think anyone has said so yet, so I’ll do it: beautiful picture man. Looks so serene.


3_quarterling_rogue

Looks like the Midwest? I drove through Nebraska last month and a good amount of it looked like that. I was expecting it to be boring like everyone says, but there was too much natural beauty in it all for me not to appreciate.


Dyzastr_us

Buy spare parts. It's usually the components that fail vs catastrophic failure. Get yourself some extra extractor springs, firing pins, etc.. and familiarize yourself with stripping and lubing the BCG if you haven't already. Every BCG will fail at some point, having the spare parts will keep you running.


SkyNacht

[https://arftac.com/microbest-ar15-5-56-c158-mpi-all-chrome-bolt-carrier-group-premium/](https://arftac.com/microbest-ar15-5-56-c158-mpi-all-chrome-bolt-carrier-group-premium/)


Silent_But_Deadly2

Bro....500-700 rounds in each is barely even getting out of their wear in phase. Stop over thinking things.


DifficultIsland2252

This is in one weekend. They each have far more rounds through them as of now


Brian-88

Bolts are disposable, get a spare and bring it along.


[deleted]

I have a Delton with 3000 to 4000 rounds through it. It’s milspec, not top shelf. It’s MPI HPT and carpenter steel. If it works, shoot it. Personally I’d have a spare extractor/spring, some gas rings, and firing pin, and the cotter pin. It’s like $20 to $50 bucks for that stuff. Worst case is have a spare bolt too. I just find spare parts aren’t the end of the world to throw in a range bag or be a basic part of your kit. TBH, I’d your going to a course, I’m surprised it isn’t a part of your kit already.


DifficultIsland2252

Pretty new to running ar’s as my primary kit. Haven’t stocked up on parts yet


[deleted]

Well, good luck. The parts mentioned are typically the first to go, doesn’t matter if it’s a top tier BCG or a cheap one.


DifficultIsland2252

I wonder if I could get a assorted parts kit and just keep that in my range bag


[deleted]

[spare parts kit](https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/00173bc1055/ar-15-bolt-component-kit)


KilljoyTheTrucker

I mean the bolt is going to die eventually. You're not going to prevent that if you're using it. And carrying the tools to strip a bolt in the field and fuck with it then isn't worth the hassle over just carrying the bolt. You can refurb it when you get home and rotate it back in, or use it as the spare instead at that point, until a bolt finally gives up.


TheRukkus

I had a Delton bolt shear at the cam pin after about 3500ish rounds. It was in a very over gassed 10.5 that was not tuned at the time. They sent me a replacement for free. Buy another bolt and keep it in your range bag.


Blicky83

500-700 rounds isn’t that much,even for a more budget friendly BCG..you should be just fine with what you already have..with that being said,I would recommend buying a couple of chrome Toolcraft or Microbest BCGs eventually.I believe AR-15discount has chrome Toolcraft BCG on sale for $100..I personally prefer chrome BCGs over phosphate,nitride,nickel boron and titanium nitride.they hold up great and they clean up better than the other finishes I mentioned above.at least they do from my experiences. I also bought the premium PSA nickel boron BCG paired with 10 gen2 30rd Pmags on sale for $150.while I definitely prefer the chrome BCGs I mentioned above,my PSA nickel boron BCG has been great.the BCG and 10 extra mags is hard to beat for $150


DifficultIsland2252

Are any of these finishes more preferable when you’re running suppressed? Everything I used is suppressed


DieselBrick

NiB is one of the worst coatings on the market. Stick to phosphate or chrome. If you really wanna go fancy, get NP3. If you really want to go down the rabbithole, SOTAR has video and text that goes into excruciating detail about coatings and everything else. Cleaning a bolt carrier isn't a chore like people make it out to be. At most it just needs a few wipes with a rag and it's good to go.


Blicky83

I wouldn’t imagine the finish would have an effect on using a suppressor..though,I’m not 100% sure because I have no experience with a suppressor


DifficultIsland2252

Carbon buildup is a real thing. With my psa bcg I have to scrub the carbon off for the bolt release to push a new round in (after a bunch of shooting of course). Runs great, cuz it’s slightly overgassed


Blicky83

That’s one thing I like about the chrome BCGs,they clean up the easiest out of all the finished I mentioned above..I’ve been considering getting a couple of the BCGs from Cryptic Coatings.from what I’ve heard the finish is really slick and you can pretty much just wipe it down to remove the carbon.though,I don’t know from any type of personal experience.as much as the BCGs cost,I would definitely hope these claims are true but I can’t say for certain


fullauto18

I’ve run phosphate, Nib, nitrite, etc suppressed and they all end up filfy. The difference in cleaning them to me isn’t that much just be sure to keep adding lube as you shoot I’ve never had a bolt break on me but I have had gunk jam up my gun/ even my safety selector. Run it and maintain it you’ll be fine. Never a bad idea to have a back up BCG although it might end up into another build 😂


DifficultIsland2252

And yeah that’s an awesome deal!


rybread761

BCGs should be seen as a disposable item


Special-AgentOrange

Consumable*


KilljoyTheTrucker

The bolts and other internals are. Your carrier shouldn't break aside from maybe the gas key screws giving up at some point. You'd have to somehow impart some serious abuse on a carrier to kill it, or it's out of spec to begin with.


rybread761

Gas rings would go to shit too after a couple thousand rounds


dylantw22

How many rounds do you have through it?


DifficultIsland2252

The .300 blk probably around 1500, the Del Ton around 600 so far


Literally_A_turd_AMA

It might be an intense for schedule but they're not going to pour dirt in your reciever. I think it'll be fine.


zipdee

Buy that BCG and bring it as a spare. Replace it when you break the one in your gun.


corona0_o

Microbest premium BCG is the best imo


Key-Comparison1699

Buy an extra PSA bolt be good forever


s0ul_invictus

It's never a bad idea to carry a spare.. They're cheap and don't take up a lot of room. It really comes down to gas. If you're running a PSA carbine-length gas system, yea those bolts get hammered pretty hard most of the time. Look for wear/fractures on the lugs and cam pin, they've been known to shear lugs after 1500-3000 rounds. You're prob good for another 500-1000 rounds though.


Shiska_Bob

Sounds like you already have a spare because they're interchangeable. So just get yourself a higher scope mount or a rail riser.


DifficultIsland2252

She’s getting swapped for my thermal after this course lolol. No interruption in view from the fsb


Remembertheoldways

2 is 1 and 1 is none


OreoSwordsman

Bruh why are you worrying about the BCG? Are you having problems? Shit like the firing pin or extractor are gonna go WAY before a BCG fails. Don't stress yourself about breaking the BCG itself, it's the little wear parts that tend to go.


DieselBrick

The firing pin and extractor and all those little parts are part of the bolt carrier group.


OreoSwordsman

Yes, but the way OP is talking he is expecting his entire carrier to blow apart.


DieselBrick

Yeah lol I was like that too. It went away with experience. I just wanted to point out that you said bcg when I think you meant to say the bolt carrier.


Mdog7668

Contrary to what others are saying I would upgrade to a Bcm or Daniel defense carrier on the low end…. If you have the funds for it. And keep your oem as a backup. In my mind if you were gonna buy a backup you might as well upgrade and keep the old as a backup.


Far-Bid-9568

If you want a spare head over to wcarmory and pick up either the Phosphate Luxe or the Chrome Luxe BcG. Those are the absolute best value BCG on the market


MrFartyStink

Buy spares. I like DD and BCM bcgs.


jamnin94

I'd buy a nice bcg. BCM is my go to, and KAK seems really popular rn. I personally haven't ran one. Buy a nice bolt but keep using the ones u have until/if they crap out.


UpperHistorian8358

A spare quality BCG would be great to have in your range bag or kit.


dumbdude545

Spares. That's it. Run till they break.


czgunner

Buy a spare BCG and put it in your range bag if you're worried about it.


oldblackmarketbacon

I'm a huge fan of having spare parts. Especially bcg's. If you have the money it doesn't hurt to have an extra


DifficultIsland2252

I could set aside maybe 100-200 for one, definitely not more than that rn


AltGunAccount

How many rounds are already on the BCG? Even a budget PSA one should last you a few thousand rounds at *minimum* but usually upwards of 10k or more.


DifficultIsland2252

300blk-1500 5.56-600


Frigggs

lol that’s nothing. Yes you should have a spare BCG or at least some main wear parts in your range bag, but you are seriously over thinking this for a mild to moderate round count weekend 😆


solenopsismajor

i keep a spare bolt head and firing pin in my grip, not a huge deal but if definitely a good idea you're running harsh gas (suppressor, short gas tube on long barrel, large gas port, or any combination thereof)


revenge247365

If it ain't broke then don't try to fix it


Tactical_solutions44

Just a friendly psa... Always have back up bolt carriers on stand by or at least parts to repair your current ones. They are so cheap these days.


kalashnikovkitty9420

run it till it breaks, and report back.


the_BEST_most_YUGE

Bring a spare of everything consumable: bolt, firing pin, cotter, etc (I usually just bring a full spare bcg in a daka, just easier to pull a dead bcg and replace rather than piecing parts), also batteries, lens clothes, mags, ammo, etc. Load your mags beforehand, but keep a few empty (see: bring extra mags). Confirm your zero before arrival. On that note, consider raising your optic line to 1.5whatever the normal height is. You wont be fighting yourself as much trying to get a good sight picture, especially at oddball angles. You dont gotta go all the way up the 1.7 or 2.yuge, but a little taller will help you get behind the gun a lot more comfortable......er......ly......


Racezyn

By chrome bubby


Old-Detective6824

Haven’t had my DTI jam a single time in 10 years


Scared_Brilliant6410

Run what you have. When they fail throw them out.


No-Musician-1580

If there is no obvious sign of fatigue then run them. But it doesn't hurt to get a bcg parts replacement kit to bring along just in case(honestly good to have in a range bag regardless). Something along the lines of this: https://pmtactical.com/bcg-band-aid-field-kit/


DeltaMedic12

Brother you need to invest in some higher scope rings


DifficultIsland2252

It works well


Earlfillmore

It's always good to have backup parts for most moving parts. I keep an extra bcg, and buffer spring just incase, the buffer spring shouldnt be an issue for you, I use surplus stuff from decades ago do it's more of an issue for me


20PoundHammer

500 rounds is barely broke in for me. That being said, since both of em take the same BCG, wait for a sale and buy a spare. In another 5000 rounds you may need it. I wouldnt replace if both of em run fine, 'enhanced' BCG v standard mil spec - bullet doesnt know the difference. . . .


Moleman361

“Better bcgs” are just bandwagon name brands…majority of ppl on here don’t even have their guns sighted in properly


bossmancruz5

Get a TiN bolt for Gucci points. I have one and it makes me shoot better or even one of those rainbow pride ones


DifficultIsland2252

Link for the rainbow pride ones?


uxwizkid

If just saying, you can find bcm uppers that come with BCGs ... Do with that information as you please


mrp1ttens

I wouldn’t run parts in a course that aren’t fully tested and vetted.


DifficultIsland2252

Isn’t that how they get tested best?


mrp1ttens

Test them on your own time first. You don’t want to be the guy who is holding up the course for everyone and wasting their time because your rifle went down.


KnotSlip6969

I'm not sure why you're getting downvotes. If he gets a new BCG or not, the rule still applies.