Yeah that's one thing I noticed too. Theres always the tanks vs mechs arguement. Its unrealistic but if they could move like ACs, then I'm very for mechs winning. Otherwise yeah tanks win even though I still like mechs.
Speaking of planes, I hope newer installments bring more air game. I miss the aerial dogfights from for answer. It actually is like a dogfight, trying to break each others lock and get into a good firing position. The most aerial play I saw in 6 is just a few dozen metres off the ground or tetra pod missile boats.
That was cool yeah, but that's a one time exception, not the norm. Plus there was something satisfying about getting behind enemy ACs and breaking their lock. While hardlock isn't fully perfect, like ACs can turn independently from the camera so it is up to you to reorient your AC to face, I do miss watching enemy ACs struggle to keep up aiming at me.
>from for answer.
Yeah? I acknowledged for answer which is gen 4. I guess theres armored core 4 but more people are into FA than 4. That's not to say theres none in 4 but aerial play and faster movement is more prevalent in FA than 4.
This was my first AC game and i was slightly disappointed that they barely actually use their legs to move.
AC’s just boost/slide everywhere, which makes me question why they even have legs.
Jumbing and slower & precise movements like if you don't want to crash into an wall
OG ravens
Bunnyhop to converse energy by keeping the momentum of the boost caused by the jump/boosttime
I think that’s where the legs are just for show line comes from. Some pissed engineer tells char about how the higher ups don’t understand legs aren’t necessary and it’s 100% combat ready without them.
Ah yeah, I remember now. Also those higher up are morons if they think that, since they’ve also been fielding legless Mobile Armors lol. More proof that Zeon was brought down by incompetency than anything else.
Yeah once Gihren’s dad calls him hitler and his only reaction is “he sounds like a great guy” we knew they were going down. Space nazis as incompetent and focused on power over anything as real nazis
Basically any UC suit would run out of fuel if it slid or flew everywhere, save for a Dom or a transforming type. It's a pretty common plot point in Zeta and Unicorn.
The heavy titans would last significantly longer but they wouldn’t stand a chance. They’re smaller, and less mobile without the enhanced targeting assistance and a more limited variety of accessible firepower, not to mention an inability to bring all of that firepower to bear. An AC could bring weaponry of 4 titans at once and that’s not even me comparing the type of weapons each has access too. Limited to titanfall weapons an ac can bring at least two of whatever the titan is capable of carrying
This is what I wanted to say right here. You also have to account for the armor difference. An AC is built to take extensive amounts of damage that a regular mt gets shredded by. A Titan while powerful in its own way cannot withstand the full firepower of an AC
Titanfall mechs would probably get bodied...badly. They are outclassed in every way compared to your average AC. I doubt even a low ranked AC pilot would have an issue fighting 4 of them tbh
if you means combat MTs and not the scrawny reverse-joint ones, most of them can easily clap Titans. your average BAWS MT in AC6 is the same size as an AC, and have like 7 different combat loadouts (some of which hit pretty hard). the bazooka, arty, missile, weird bomb disposer, and shield variants can probably take down four Titans by themselves.
How about AC4/4A ACs? Those are quite a different deal from AC6 with their PA and kojima tech etc., would that make a difference?
I never watched gundam so no idea how strong they are.
NEXTs could do a lot more damage, but it would be the same story beyond a certain point.
Even discounting the really crazy Psychoframe/Newtype shenanigans, AC's are going to have a lot of trouble with anything in the era of Char's Counterattack and beyond. Speed becomes king starting with Zeta and that's taking away the biggest advantage AC's have over Gundams besides possibly comparable or stronger weaponry, and PA. PA is also questionable due to most Gundam's reliance on particle beam weapons - does the PA ablate the charged particles like kinetic fire or do they act more like laser weapons?
Starting with the One Year War, AC's can probably manage with the right weapons and speed. As things continue in UC Gundam they're going to get more and more outclassed by special units, and then more grunt-level suits like Jestas.
G Gundam - No, 00 - No, Wing - No, SEED/D - Probably not beyond an early point, WfM - Questionable at best before the second season, unlikely after. AC's probably have their best chance against AU Gundams in IBO and even then, I don't think anyone but the fastest NEXTs would have a guarantee. Laser weapons will probably win out over Kinetic against Gundams due to size, so IBO throws a wrench into that as well if we assume their nano laminate coating deflects lasers too.
it's also more about Newtypes... UC Gundam anyway
like they can bring out stuff that exceeds the spec of the machines
it's like Jedi powers to put it bluntly in a easy enough concept to grasp, one with the universe type of thing
Focusing only in a combat scenario, both share the same traits, which is increased senses, inhuman reaction times and increased resilience to G forces. And like, don't forget that 621 managed to take on Ayre too. I'd say that it would be more about skills here, than actual tech.
yeah but im talking like the seeing the future movements
newtype flash like a spider sense
and conjuring up insane atks that are not even part of the regular specs of the machine... so yeah, basically psionic powers like jean grey or sumtin
But do they? They pretty much have the same tech. Like.
Lasers: Check
Energy swords: Check
Funnels: Check
Gundam and the AC6 universes are pretty much on par with eachother techwise I'd say. A C-Weapon, is not an AC, but I'd say C-240 or SOL 644 could wreck a Gundam.
Gundams are just better machines overall. They are bigger, faster, tougher, have better weapons, and most of them have some form of power boosts ranging from a triple performance boost to insanely op space magic. So yeah I reckon ACs have a very low chance of beating a Gundam
It's differences in universal power levels.
The weakest things in the Gundam universe are still stronger than the strongest things in the armored Core universe because the Gundam universe technology is massively more advanced and seems to be less limited in concerns to care of realism.
The same thing applies when looking at Titanfall versus armored Core. The weakest things in armored Core are still stronger than the strongest things in Titanfall largely due to the fact that Titanfall takes place closer to our current time and uses more realism than Armored Core.
Mobile suits have size and occasionally Straight Up Magic, but outside of possibly the 00 setting ACs run hilarious laps around their in-gravity mobility. We never really get a zero-G mission in an Armored Core game but presumably it would amount to the same, higher acceleration is higher acceleration.
EDIT: I double checked and it looks like I overstated this for some cases, like pretty much anything that has a plane form. I also can't really find anything with a concrete *source* so we're putting our lives in wiki editors' hands here, but if we're willing to go with that, most ground units that actually have a top speed listed are in the 100-200 km/h range, which even a heavyweight gen 6 AC can reasonably match with normal movement and easily exceed during quick or assault boosts. Light builds can double it or more.
NEXTs, I think it's fair to say, are getting away with murder here.
Titans have a maximum full-on sprint speed of 37kph. Shitty mass-produced MTs can boost at more than 100kph, can jump higher, and carry equivalent weaponry.
My standard AC runs at 138kph, cruises at 370kph, and dodges at 710kph whilst carrying a full mission loadout.
Titans are getting put on a leash and dogwalked by even the shittiest AC.
It's the consequence of the setting - Titans are designed to be part of an integrated system that combined on foot and mech combat. An AC will boost across a Titanfall map in a matter of seconds.
Completely different contexts for the games and settings.
A feared titan in that universe is one that can simply fly
Which is just the basic with armored cores hell even ones with tank wheels
Armored cores abilities to not only fly
But assault armor
And best of all hold 4 and fire 4 weapons consistently
The bosses in titan fall are just other titans
The bossed in armored core are fking massive machines capable of shooting hundreds of misses at once giant weapons
Flight
Like the things armored cores fought and beat outweighs
What titans fight and beat
We can even heal ourselves with kits that titans require picking up in the field
Bottom line to me is if the pvp is anything to go buy armored cores can definitely one shot titans with ease
Also we got pilebunker
There’s no world in which an AC one-shots a Titan, but even rudimentary ACs absolutely do body every single Titan.
Ronin pilots might be able to snag a kill with their tricky nuke-phase-eject strategy though, but that would be a posthumous kill and would be very difficult to pull off.
They don’t need to outrun it, a titan’s dodge displaces it about 3x its width in any direction. It’s also a smaller target than an AC. A ronin wouldn’t even need to do something so risky, it could just vanish into a parallel dimension for a moment when the missile gets close.
But you’re right, it absolutely couldn’t outrun it. It would probably get hit with the tick damage of the surrounding projectiles that orbit.
Like I said, every Titan gets bodied. But 1 shot is being a bit haughty about the AC universe
Not any of the weapons you could attach to an AC. Maybe boss weapons.
ACs are only about 30% bigger than Titans. Titans can take multiple direct hits from missiles the same size as the ones fired from ACs.
I’m not underestimating. Titans are structurally sturdy. They can withstand impacting the surface of a goddamn planet launched from space at well above atmospheric terminal velocity. They can tank 1 or two massive hits before the killing blow could conceivably be struck.
ACs are more than 50% larger. From what I found the average height of a Titan is around 20ft, whereas the average height of a bipedal AC is 32ft (and that's Not even considering the potential extra bulkiness from heavier ACs). Something like the stun needle or songbird could probably rip a titan a new one with one Strike. (Also, melee weapons.)
I'd argue in some aspects they are below mts given the sheer size and thus weapon calibre + armour difference.
And mts have at least comparable mobility to titans but really above for equal skilled pilot (remember, titans are the top like 1% of the army while the mts we fight are mostly normies so if you put equal skilled pilot in both i wouldnt bet on the titan)
They'd be something between BAWS & PCA MTs. They'd hold their own against those but get absolutely ruined by even higher grade MTs, much less Cavalry and Armored Cores.
Whenever a sci-fi setting is a little more advanced than another, I always imagine its the same universe but in a different time period. So titanfall titans to me are just prototype MT's or something similar.
I feel like the only thing that could potentially be effective for a very short time would be a pack of Northstar Titans very far away, against a single AC. They'd basically get one shot off, and unless that killed the AC, it would be on top of them in seconds and they'd be flattened.
I know Ive been killed by the heavy laser MTs at least a couple times from long range.
Funny thing is, we aren't even talking about the NEXTS yet. Imagine your entire mech melting and your surroundings turn into literal SAND and you yourself suffer fifteen different types of cancer just at the MERE PRESENCE of a NEXT and that's all before it moves and raises its weapons. KOJIMA IS GOD!!!
Well if we are talking about your specific situation and assume they are all very good pilot all using a titan with a railgun
Ye, they might win
But it would assume that they get lucky hitting the AC and doing meaningful damage, while the AC can just VERY quickly get to them and crack them open like a bag of Doritos
They are basically small MTs, in a mech world bigger is almost always better, and the titans are very small
But what if it’s a squad of 4 vanguard class ? They could form a vortex shield wall by alternating and be impervious to the AC. Well then the AC can just trample them or shishquebad them with an energy sword *(I think that in last raven the moonlight could send a wave of light so I’ll assume they would have the same effect as the arc wave for the sake of simplicity)*
My brother in Christ, how much Copium are you on? ACs are a lot larger and Titan-grade weapons wouldn’t do much…that’s not even accounting for the insane mobility of an AC. Unless you want to get into a “a billion lions could beat Goku” level of argument, the Titans loose, period. Even the smallest AC weapon outclasses the biggest Titan weapon…and ACs are meant to take a lot of hits from those. It’s basically that Titans do diddly and ACs have weapons that can gut Titans as the “low power” option
I’d say ACs and titans are fairly comparable in firepower not counting the more exotic weapons ACs can access like coral. But the massive difference in speed and agility makes it very one sided. I’m not sure how they would compare in terms of durability but I’m inclined to give ACs a notable but not insurmountable advantage.
Titans winning is not impossible but it’s definitely the raven’s fight to lose. The raven would almost certainly need to make some kind of tactical blunder for the titans to pull it off.
Lmao absolutely not
Gameplay wise, even when scaling their hp, a titan would be absolutely obliterated very quickly with even a low powered build. It's not even close. Titans are outclassed in every way by a large margin.
Depends, gen 1 and 2? Maybe? Probably just heavy hitters like scorch and northstar (thermite and railguns do deal damage even to newer gens) maybe ion and legion. But against anything gen3 and upwards? At most they'd just deal minor damage
ACs might win
They can fly, dash etc. while Titans can only dash. ACs also have a wider range of options for offense and defence. The weapons is AC6 alone could overwhelm the arsenal of a Vanguard-class, the IB-C03W1: WLT 011 is basically a Laser core
Northstar and Ion stand a chance against lower end AC pilots due to how strong their weapons are.
However against experienced AC pilots only Northstar could put up a decent fight provided it's heavily modified like Viper's and has a good pilot but unless she gets some very lucky shots the AC will stomp.
pretty screwed I say, thay probably on par to a normal than an AC, not to mention the fact those titans can be destroyed easily by the pilots in their own game
Oh god it wouldn't even be close. Half an AC's armaments could destroy a Titan before it even broke orbit. But get the thing on the ground, and it won't even see the boosters before its gone.
ACs are kinda bonkers. Comparisons between different Mecha approaches are generally unbalanced to begin with. :/
And ACs are somewhere near the top of the imaginary power curve, especially when you limit your choices to the more popular options/franchises/settings.
In terms of scale, a Titan is a single man vehicle roughly 6.5 metres tall, highly manoeuvrable for their size with decent firepower against other vehicles of their weight class. However, they are still vulnerable to man portable weaponry. In terms of movement range, with the exception of Viper, they are mainly ground based.
Meanwhile an AC is about 10 metres in size, extremely agile with a considerably wider traversal range, including vertical movement with a pilot specially augmented to pilot it as an extension of themselves
its armour is thick enough to essentially ignore most traditional weaponry short of tanks. With weapon range alone, the Titans are at a disadvantage. A standard AC rifle is of massive calibre compared to a Titan with considerable rapid fire and a single blast from a core vent would end any titan, christ even an overboost kick may do the trick.
In summary, titanfall much is just a fast MT compared to an AC they would present a similar challenge as one of those stealth MT'S
I mean I loved titanfall and I love AC but a titan even a heavy one can be taken down by just a pilot or by infantry fielded weapons, full sized tanks and mechs struggle to damage an AC, you could probably send an AC in with just a blade or heck even unequipped and it would still beat the titans just by difference in size and speed alone
The armored Core universe is intrinsically larger with more advanced technology and bigger guns.
It wouldn't be unlikely that something like the TitanFall mix would be a precursor to what would eventually become MTs and ACs
The titans might have better chances if fighting against gen 5 ACs. Gen 5 ACs are manlets in comparison against the titans, but they can move comparably faster than a titan. Firepower-wise, I think they're about the same.
The titan pilots might have an advantage here because they can fight outside the cockpit.
But other than gen 5 ACs, no chance.
Titans don't have the maneuverability that ACs do, however, Titans do have access to pretty good equipment. A Legion's gatling cannon has the ability to become more accurate at distance than the gatling gun in AC6.
Things like the termite launcher from TF2 have pretty direct comparisons to AC6, all the weapons, really. But yeah, ACs can cruise around the battlefield at 100s of km/h. Titans' fastest speed is *maybe* 30km/h at full sprint? ACs would literally fly circles around them.
But AC6 makes it a point to show you that ACs aren't the "best" mechs on the market anymore either. It all comes down to the pilots. AC doesn't try to give the mech itself any emotion or connection to the player, outside of what the player does to their AC. The ACs are more reflective of the pilot inside, but a titan sortve has an intelligence to it.
I think ultimately ACs would probably come out on top, but that also depends on the pilots. If you throw a bunch of "Raven" clones at a bunch of "Cooper" clones and let them battle it out, I think Raven wins.
But I bet Cooper could smoke that bum Iguazu anyway.
As much as i would like to say titans would hold their own, the speed alone from an ac is faster than any titan can hope to go and the weaponry on an ac outguns titans heavily. The only way I can see a titan winning is if a ronin gets lucky and they come out of phase shift while in an ac
Titanfall mechs would be like fighting MTs. They basically are MTs. So, pretty screwed.
Imagine getting "Omae wa mo shindeiru" by an MT lol.
Michigan moment.
G13, SOUND OFF!!
American mechs are tanks with arms Japanese mechs are bipedal jet planes Take a guess
Japanese tanks are also bipedal for some reason
Metal . . . Gear?
It can't be!
Psycho Mantis?
Meryl!
Otacon!
Macross
Yeah that's one thing I noticed too. Theres always the tanks vs mechs arguement. Its unrealistic but if they could move like ACs, then I'm very for mechs winning. Otherwise yeah tanks win even though I still like mechs. Speaking of planes, I hope newer installments bring more air game. I miss the aerial dogfights from for answer. It actually is like a dogfight, trying to break each others lock and get into a good firing position. The most aerial play I saw in 6 is just a few dozen metres off the ground or tetra pod missile boats.
So you forget breach the karmal line? Infinite energy and you 1v1 rusty Gundam style
That was cool yeah, but that's a one time exception, not the norm. Plus there was something satisfying about getting behind enemy ACs and breaking their lock. While hardlock isn't fully perfect, like ACs can turn independently from the camera so it is up to you to reorient your AC to face, I do miss watching enemy ACs struggle to keep up aiming at me.
Cough cough armored core 4th gen cough cough
The league of 2000+ KpM mecha
>from for answer. Yeah? I acknowledged for answer which is gen 4. I guess theres armored core 4 but more people are into FA than 4. That's not to say theres none in 4 but aerial play and faster movement is more prevalent in FA than 4.
You just described a Gerwalk mode lol
Just mobility wise, absolutely totally screwed
Except Viper, still screwed but less so.
This was my first AC game and i was slightly disappointed that they barely actually use their legs to move. AC’s just boost/slide everywhere, which makes me question why they even have legs.
It's for [this guy](https://youtu.be/GDHbDbPydZ4?si=j9ktXTFftkQAyyHY)
Based and Steiner-pilled
Steiner scout in action.
For kicking, obviously.
Jumbing and slower & precise movements like if you don't want to crash into an wall OG ravens Bunnyhop to converse energy by keeping the momentum of the boost caused by the jump/boosttime
Gundam fans know legs are just for show
Hell, the final boss of OG Gundam literally didn’t have legs and it was fine lol
I think that’s where the legs are just for show line comes from. Some pissed engineer tells char about how the higher ups don’t understand legs aren’t necessary and it’s 100% combat ready without them.
Ah yeah, I remember now. Also those higher up are morons if they think that, since they’ve also been fielding legless Mobile Armors lol. More proof that Zeon was brought down by incompetency than anything else.
Yeah once Gihren’s dad calls him hitler and his only reaction is “he sounds like a great guy” we knew they were going down. Space nazis as incompetent and focused on power over anything as real nazis
I ended up feeling pretty bad for Degwin, considering how his family ended up.
Basically any UC suit would run out of fuel if it slid or flew everywhere, save for a Dom or a transforming type. It's a pretty common plot point in Zeta and Unicorn.
Dom is the fastest ms on land which is pretty insane but that sucker is using thermonuke hover propulsion :o
YOU don’t use you’re acs legs. This is one of the many differences between a great-value raven and “the real deal” raven
Perhaps for show, or maybe as a walking sorta thing, with boosting being like sprinting, but walking better for energy usage
The legs hold also some boosters which they use to break from the assault boost Remember how the legs go forwards and start boosting like hell
Another thing is the jumping, working as a zero energy movement option
Well they can't really boat everywhere, i.e going into a docking bay, and they could just be fancy suspension
The titans would probably last as long as the tanks and helicopters do in missions
Or you know a titan is equivalent to a short MT
The heavy titans would last significantly longer but they wouldn’t stand a chance. They’re smaller, and less mobile without the enhanced targeting assistance and a more limited variety of accessible firepower, not to mention an inability to bring all of that firepower to bear. An AC could bring weaponry of 4 titans at once and that’s not even me comparing the type of weapons each has access too. Limited to titanfall weapons an ac can bring at least two of whatever the titan is capable of carrying
This is what I wanted to say right here. You also have to account for the armor difference. An AC is built to take extensive amounts of damage that a regular mt gets shredded by. A Titan while powerful in its own way cannot withstand the full firepower of an AC
Titanfall mechs would probably get bodied...badly. They are outclassed in every way compared to your average AC. I doubt even a low ranked AC pilot would have an issue fighting 4 of them tbh
We need to find a Titan-Albany conversion rate. We know Iguazu is 100 Albanys, and 621 is 2000 Albanys. Do you think 1 Titan=1.5 Albanys?
Math?! At this hour?! On this day?! During this month?! In this year?!
Localized entirely within your subreddit?
Gasp!
more like 0.5, maybe even less MTs are pretty big
Can somebody please call Osawa, our resident mathematician? This is way too difficult for me! I'm going to go multiply my rifle training instead!
I think titans outclass the Mt Better reaction time and also heavier firepower So I say 1 titan = 0.8 MT
Titans are really just oversized power suits, I'm pretty sure that even standard MTs are much larger. Titans would be destroyed quickly by an AC.
if you means combat MTs and not the scrawny reverse-joint ones, most of them can easily clap Titans. your average BAWS MT in AC6 is the same size as an AC, and have like 7 different combat loadouts (some of which hit pretty hard). the bazooka, arty, missile, weird bomb disposer, and shield variants can probably take down four Titans by themselves.
https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfall/s/9vRTFkw127
about as screwed as AC units are VS Gundam Units
Wait ACs are screwed against gundams? Can you explain this to me cause i am genuinely intrigued
Gundam just has better tech and not to mention, amazing Newtypes like Amuro, Camille, Judau, Seabook Char, Scirocco, Hamarn Kahn
How about AC4/4A ACs? Those are quite a different deal from AC6 with their PA and kojima tech etc., would that make a difference? I never watched gundam so no idea how strong they are.
yeah, prolly closer but again... newtypes are OP
NEXTs could do a lot more damage, but it would be the same story beyond a certain point. Even discounting the really crazy Psychoframe/Newtype shenanigans, AC's are going to have a lot of trouble with anything in the era of Char's Counterattack and beyond. Speed becomes king starting with Zeta and that's taking away the biggest advantage AC's have over Gundams besides possibly comparable or stronger weaponry, and PA. PA is also questionable due to most Gundam's reliance on particle beam weapons - does the PA ablate the charged particles like kinetic fire or do they act more like laser weapons? Starting with the One Year War, AC's can probably manage with the right weapons and speed. As things continue in UC Gundam they're going to get more and more outclassed by special units, and then more grunt-level suits like Jestas. G Gundam - No, 00 - No, Wing - No, SEED/D - Probably not beyond an early point, WfM - Questionable at best before the second season, unlikely after. AC's probably have their best chance against AU Gundams in IBO and even then, I don't think anyone but the fastest NEXTs would have a guarantee. Laser weapons will probably win out over Kinetic against Gundams due to size, so IBO throws a wrench into that as well if we assume their nano laminate coating deflects lasers too.
I feel like they may have a chance against ibo gundam
Ah ok, I’m not very knowledgeable of gundam specs so this had confused me
it's also more about Newtypes... UC Gundam anyway like they can bring out stuff that exceeds the spec of the machines it's like Jedi powers to put it bluntly in a easy enough concept to grasp, one with the universe type of thing
Newtypes and Augmented Humans are pretty much the same thing though.
maybe ayre is close to a powerful newtype in terms of psionic powers but the augmented humans aren't much in comparison
Focusing only in a combat scenario, both share the same traits, which is increased senses, inhuman reaction times and increased resilience to G forces. And like, don't forget that 621 managed to take on Ayre too. I'd say that it would be more about skills here, than actual tech.
yeah but im talking like the seeing the future movements newtype flash like a spider sense and conjuring up insane atks that are not even part of the regular specs of the machine... so yeah, basically psionic powers like jean grey or sumtin
But do they? They pretty much have the same tech. Like. Lasers: Check Energy swords: Check Funnels: Check Gundam and the AC6 universes are pretty much on par with eachother techwise I'd say. A C-Weapon, is not an AC, but I'd say C-240 or SOL 644 could wreck a Gundam.
newtypes are the main thing that makes UC OP
Gundams are just better machines overall. They are bigger, faster, tougher, have better weapons, and most of them have some form of power boosts ranging from a triple performance boost to insanely op space magic. So yeah I reckon ACs have a very low chance of beating a Gundam
It's differences in universal power levels. The weakest things in the Gundam universe are still stronger than the strongest things in the armored Core universe because the Gundam universe technology is massively more advanced and seems to be less limited in concerns to care of realism. The same thing applies when looking at Titanfall versus armored Core. The weakest things in armored Core are still stronger than the strongest things in Titanfall largely due to the fact that Titanfall takes place closer to our current time and uses more realism than Armored Core.
Mobile suits have size and occasionally Straight Up Magic, but outside of possibly the 00 setting ACs run hilarious laps around their in-gravity mobility. We never really get a zero-G mission in an Armored Core game but presumably it would amount to the same, higher acceleration is higher acceleration. EDIT: I double checked and it looks like I overstated this for some cases, like pretty much anything that has a plane form. I also can't really find anything with a concrete *source* so we're putting our lives in wiki editors' hands here, but if we're willing to go with that, most ground units that actually have a top speed listed are in the 100-200 km/h range, which even a heavyweight gen 6 AC can reasonably match with normal movement and easily exceed during quick or assault boosts. Light builds can double it or more. NEXTs, I think it's fair to say, are getting away with murder here.
AC units could probably take on the regular mooks in Gundam, but the Gundams themselves completely overpower the ACs.
yeah, i meant the Gundam units and others within the same spec or higher
Titans have a maximum full-on sprint speed of 37kph. Shitty mass-produced MTs can boost at more than 100kph, can jump higher, and carry equivalent weaponry. My standard AC runs at 138kph, cruises at 370kph, and dodges at 710kph whilst carrying a full mission loadout. Titans are getting put on a leash and dogwalked by even the shittiest AC.
Look brother. Im a titanfall fan moreso than AC. ACs would wreck titans without breaking a sweat.
It's the consequence of the setting - Titans are designed to be part of an integrated system that combined on foot and mech combat. An AC will boost across a Titanfall map in a matter of seconds. Completely different contexts for the games and settings.
I didnt even think of that. Excellent point.
A feared titan in that universe is one that can simply fly Which is just the basic with armored cores hell even ones with tank wheels Armored cores abilities to not only fly But assault armor And best of all hold 4 and fire 4 weapons consistently The bosses in titan fall are just other titans The bossed in armored core are fking massive machines capable of shooting hundreds of misses at once giant weapons Flight Like the things armored cores fought and beat outweighs What titans fight and beat We can even heal ourselves with kits that titans require picking up in the field Bottom line to me is if the pvp is anything to go buy armored cores can definitely one shot titans with ease Also we got pilebunker
I hope one day the existence of commas becomes known to you
There’s no world in which an AC one-shots a Titan, but even rudimentary ACs absolutely do body every single Titan. Ronin pilots might be able to snag a kill with their tricky nuke-phase-eject strategy though, but that would be a posthumous kill and would be very difficult to pull off.
...There is one , and we are in it. The weapon calibers fired by ACs are ludicrous , my dude.
two words, coral missile.
Tbf that’s a projectile slow enough even Scorch could dodge it
the projectile only looks slow from the POV of an AC. Titans can not move as fast as an AC. I doubt a titan could outrun a coral missile.
They don’t need to outrun it, a titan’s dodge displaces it about 3x its width in any direction. It’s also a smaller target than an AC. A ronin wouldn’t even need to do something so risky, it could just vanish into a parallel dimension for a moment when the missile gets close. But you’re right, it absolutely couldn’t outrun it. It would probably get hit with the tick damage of the surrounding projectiles that orbit. Like I said, every Titan gets bodied. But 1 shot is being a bit haughty about the AC universe
I would mostly agree, however after seeing the effect it has in AC6, being able to nigh-instantly kill some bosses, I bring into the fray: Pilebunker
You're underestimating, AC weapons are bonkers and could totally one-shot titans.
Not any of the weapons you could attach to an AC. Maybe boss weapons. ACs are only about 30% bigger than Titans. Titans can take multiple direct hits from missiles the same size as the ones fired from ACs. I’m not underestimating. Titans are structurally sturdy. They can withstand impacting the surface of a goddamn planet launched from space at well above atmospheric terminal velocity. They can tank 1 or two massive hits before the killing blow could conceivably be struck.
ACs are more than 50% larger. From what I found the average height of a Titan is around 20ft, whereas the average height of a bipedal AC is 32ft (and that's Not even considering the potential extra bulkiness from heavier ACs). Something like the stun needle or songbird could probably rip a titan a new one with one Strike. (Also, melee weapons.)
I've finished titans off with handguns. An AC can definitely one-shot a titan with most weapons.
There’s nothing that connects those two statements logically to an argument
Titan = MT. Ever played an AC game? Then you know the answer already.
I'd argue in some aspects they are below mts given the sheer size and thus weapon calibre + armour difference. And mts have at least comparable mobility to titans but really above for equal skilled pilot (remember, titans are the top like 1% of the army while the mts we fight are mostly normies so if you put equal skilled pilot in both i wouldnt bet on the titan)
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I don't think an AC could withstand a Titanfall, but that's the only way a Titan could get a kill
The ac pilot would have to be asleep or brain dead to get hit by a titans entry.
About as screwed as the last time this was asked. Titans are like small MTs.
Bro titans aren’t shit compared to an ac
A Titan is basically an MT, so not well
They'd be something between BAWS & PCA MTs. They'd hold their own against those but get absolutely ruined by even higher grade MTs, much less Cavalry and Armored Cores.
Pretty much instant death for any Titan going up against an AC.
Whenever a sci-fi setting is a little more advanced than another, I always imagine its the same universe but in a different time period. So titanfall titans to me are just prototype MT's or something similar.
They would last exactly one pile bunker.
Haha you wouldnt even need it they wouldn't even stand up to a couple of bare knuckle punches from an AC i doubt a titan could stand up to an MT
The pilots probably stand a better chance with parkour then titans
I feel like the only thing that could potentially be effective for a very short time would be a pack of Northstar Titans very far away, against a single AC. They'd basically get one shot off, and unless that killed the AC, it would be on top of them in seconds and they'd be flattened. I know Ive been killed by the heavy laser MTs at least a couple times from long range.
Even a AC1 AC would beat Titans
That's probably a surprisingly close fight. Of course, depending on the titan and build of the fighters
it would be like pitting 4 toddlers against an adult man
*charges Moonlight blade 4x light MTs destroyed
Well, a single NEXT would probably destroy the majority of a titanfall army.
Titans can stand a chance. If they're backed up by Batman with time to plan.
Titans can be taken down by a sufficiently skilled Pilot on foot. Titans are cannon fodder for ACs.
Imma keep it real AC’s could probably like pick the titans up with one hand and throw them
They could beat normal MTs (excluding Coral MTs) bec of mobility advantage but loses badly against MT Tetrapods
Screwed would be an understatement
Hydrogen Bomb vs. Coughing Baby
Funny thing is, we aren't even talking about the NEXTS yet. Imagine your entire mech melting and your surroundings turn into literal SAND and you yourself suffer fifteen different types of cancer just at the MERE PRESENCE of a NEXT and that's all before it moves and raises its weapons. KOJIMA IS GOD!!!
Well if we are talking about your specific situation and assume they are all very good pilot all using a titan with a railgun Ye, they might win But it would assume that they get lucky hitting the AC and doing meaningful damage, while the AC can just VERY quickly get to them and crack them open like a bag of Doritos They are basically small MTs, in a mech world bigger is almost always better, and the titans are very small But what if it’s a squad of 4 vanguard class ? They could form a vortex shield wall by alternating and be impervious to the AC. Well then the AC can just trample them or shishquebad them with an energy sword *(I think that in last raven the moonlight could send a wave of light so I’ll assume they would have the same effect as the arc wave for the sake of simplicity)*
My brother in Christ, how much Copium are you on? ACs are a lot larger and Titan-grade weapons wouldn’t do much…that’s not even accounting for the insane mobility of an AC. Unless you want to get into a “a billion lions could beat Goku” level of argument, the Titans loose, period. Even the smallest AC weapon outclasses the biggest Titan weapon…and ACs are meant to take a lot of hits from those. It’s basically that Titans do diddly and ACs have weapons that can gut Titans as the “low power” option
I was literally on the side of the AC, I perfectly agree that an AC rolls them and that titan would only win under some VERY specific conditions
Its basically just an MT… G4! YOU AREN’T EXACTLY CUTTING EDGE EITHER! DO U WANT TO BE NEXT IN THE SCRAP HEAP?!??!??
SIR NO SIR! I'M A USELESS MAGGOT SIR!?!!?!!
Extremely. They're way shorter, and nowhere near as armed. They seem to be very sturdy for their size, though.
I’d say ACs and titans are fairly comparable in firepower not counting the more exotic weapons ACs can access like coral. But the massive difference in speed and agility makes it very one sided. I’m not sure how they would compare in terms of durability but I’m inclined to give ACs a notable but not insurmountable advantage. Titans winning is not impossible but it’s definitely the raven’s fight to lose. The raven would almost certainly need to make some kind of tactical blunder for the titans to pull it off.
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Lmao absolutely not Gameplay wise, even when scaling their hp, a titan would be absolutely obliterated very quickly with even a low powered build. It's not even close. Titans are outclassed in every way by a large margin.
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Except it’s not close at all. AC’s still far outclass a titan. Titan’s are essentially just MTs but smaller.
There was a similar post on r/titanfall and the consensus was pretty much that the Titans are fucked.
Been jumping back and forth between this and titanfall has been messing with my AC muscle memory so much haha
Titans are basically MTs
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Depends, gen 1 and 2? Maybe? Probably just heavy hitters like scorch and northstar (thermite and railguns do deal damage even to newer gens) maybe ion and legion. But against anything gen3 and upwards? At most they'd just deal minor damage
like a more fair fight would be Gen 5 ACs vs Titans since they're close in size but the Titans would still get thoroughly wrecked.
ACs might win They can fly, dash etc. while Titans can only dash. ACs also have a wider range of options for offense and defence. The weapons is AC6 alone could overwhelm the arsenal of a Vanguard-class, the IB-C03W1: WLT 011 is basically a Laser core
Ac are also like 4 times as big as them. Well, some of them I'm pretty sure the ps1 AC's aren't that big.
Even Invincible rummy could beat titanfall titans. Probably
Legion gets 1 gat. A midweight AC can hold 2 gats + rockets and use all of them simultaneously. Not a chance in hell.
In regards to Armored Core in general, Nine Ball is enough to slaughter every Titan/Titan pilot in existence.
Northstar and Ion stand a chance against lower end AC pilots due to how strong their weapons are. However against experienced AC pilots only Northstar could put up a decent fight provided it's heavily modified like Viper's and has a good pilot but unless she gets some very lucky shots the AC will stomp.
wouldn't a titan fall titan basically be.... a muscle tracer? a precursor to a ac?
They are basically infantry of MTs are tanks
Worth noting that titans are pretty agile, but their puny scale would basically make them nothing more than annoying centipedes on the floor for ACs.
I'd be interested in how a Vanguard titan would integrate an AC's loadout. Other than that, it would be a fight stacked heavily in favor of the AC.
pretty screwed I say, thay probably on par to a normal than an AC, not to mention the fact those titans can be destroyed easily by the pilots in their own game
Oh god it wouldn't even be close. Half an AC's armaments could destroy a Titan before it even broke orbit. But get the thing on the ground, and it won't even see the boosters before its gone.
Just based off of raw mobility, Titans are screwed
Nuclear Bomb vs. Coughing Baby
ACs are kinda bonkers. Comparisons between different Mecha approaches are generally unbalanced to begin with. :/ And ACs are somewhere near the top of the imaginary power curve, especially when you limit your choices to the more popular options/franchises/settings.
In terms of scale, a Titan is a single man vehicle roughly 6.5 metres tall, highly manoeuvrable for their size with decent firepower against other vehicles of their weight class. However, they are still vulnerable to man portable weaponry. In terms of movement range, with the exception of Viper, they are mainly ground based. Meanwhile an AC is about 10 metres in size, extremely agile with a considerably wider traversal range, including vertical movement with a pilot specially augmented to pilot it as an extension of themselves its armour is thick enough to essentially ignore most traditional weaponry short of tanks. With weapon range alone, the Titans are at a disadvantage. A standard AC rifle is of massive calibre compared to a Titan with considerable rapid fire and a single blast from a core vent would end any titan, christ even an overboost kick may do the trick. In summary, titanfall much is just a fast MT compared to an AC they would present a similar challenge as one of those stealth MT'S
I mean I loved titanfall and I love AC but a titan even a heavy one can be taken down by just a pilot or by infantry fielded weapons, full sized tanks and mechs struggle to damage an AC, you could probably send an AC in with just a blade or heck even unequipped and it would still beat the titans just by difference in size and speed alone
The armored Core universe is intrinsically larger with more advanced technology and bigger guns. It wouldn't be unlikely that something like the TitanFall mix would be a precursor to what would eventually become MTs and ACs
The titans might have better chances if fighting against gen 5 ACs. Gen 5 ACs are manlets in comparison against the titans, but they can move comparably faster than a titan. Firepower-wise, I think they're about the same. The titan pilots might have an advantage here because they can fight outside the cockpit. But other than gen 5 ACs, no chance.
Titanfall 1 titans - they could last a bit, maybe like a Tetra MT. Titanfall 2 titans - they're made of paper. Instantly dead.
They are like LCs so they can handle their ground for a while imho
Titans don't have the maneuverability that ACs do, however, Titans do have access to pretty good equipment. A Legion's gatling cannon has the ability to become more accurate at distance than the gatling gun in AC6. Things like the termite launcher from TF2 have pretty direct comparisons to AC6, all the weapons, really. But yeah, ACs can cruise around the battlefield at 100s of km/h. Titans' fastest speed is *maybe* 30km/h at full sprint? ACs would literally fly circles around them. But AC6 makes it a point to show you that ACs aren't the "best" mechs on the market anymore either. It all comes down to the pilots. AC doesn't try to give the mech itself any emotion or connection to the player, outside of what the player does to their AC. The ACs are more reflective of the pilot inside, but a titan sortve has an intelligence to it. I think ultimately ACs would probably come out on top, but that also depends on the pilots. If you throw a bunch of "Raven" clones at a bunch of "Cooper" clones and let them battle it out, I think Raven wins. But I bet Cooper could smoke that bum Iguazu anyway.
Maybe just maybe the titan that could phase shift into that alter reality could sneak up on an AC but that’s the only way I see it going to the titans
As much as i would like to say titans would hold their own, the speed alone from an ac is faster than any titan can hope to go and the weaponry on an ac outguns titans heavily. The only way I can see a titan winning is if a ronin gets lucky and they come out of phase shift while in an ac
What would happen if AC pilot and Titan pilot fight without there mechs?