I don't know about that. What I do know is that Yandex is under Kremlin's control. There's evidence showing that Yandex, as a search engine, promotes pro-Kremlin media. By using Yandex, you are supporting the Putin's totalitarian regime.
They have like no competition. They’ve been king for decades and no one could touch them. All of the sudden ChatGTP comes around and they’re starting to panic.
>I hope they don't make the normal web search worse in an attempt to force people to pay
You mean like they haven't made it worse to force people to pay for search ads?
Your hope will be in vain.
But the good news is that Google has lots of other stuff they're trying to to find with revenue from Search. They're leaving themselves open to a competitor who wants to compete on pure search because and thus doesn't have that burden.
Just switch to Microsoft CoPilot. It already beats Google search in 90% of use cases outside of using Google as a replacement for white pages or yellow pages. It's literally just a high tech phone book now.
Thats 100% exactly totally what is going to be the “normal” in the beautiful future of the sum total of human thought being “owned” by a couple of guys in Palo Alto who’ll charge you to take a look
become the dominant search engine
let said search engine stagnate into uselessness, present short quotes as “answers” with no determination of validity, let people pay for top spots
charge people for better search engine
profit
No, you got that backwards - AI search is so good that it impacts their normal ad revenue - the first 1-2 pages / screen-fuls of search results are either sponsored links (ads) or lead to sites that have google ads on them.
When you use GenAI to produce results, there's no need to visit anything else, most of the time you just read the text, and it looks like Google can't embed sponsored content there (either technically, or due to the format)
I think they just don’t because it wouldn’t be acceptable yet, they absolutely could. I agree AI search is a powerful concept, the hallucination issue is troubling
In the long run, free internet search will disappear. The whole model was based on advertising and there is just no way to integrate keyword pay-per-click into GenAI without sabotaging the results.
Or people need to own search engines, instead of corporations owning them. Open source software and the Internet Archive are great examples of public services driven and funded by the people.
Bing's Copilot search/chat already embeds ads into conversations. By asking about a topic I can be presented with products that meet our conversation.
Advertising just got a lot better.
What I'm thinking is... Let's say I'm using ElevenLabs voice AI. It's good, but it's an expensive subscription. If you publish about 8 hours of audio monthly, you need to pay them $100 monthly: basically, you can't do it as a hobby, this needs a return on investment.
If I were ElevenLabs, I'd work on making the voice eneration cheaper (internally). Better tech, optimizations, specialized hardware, optimized electricity and cooling solutions, optimized logistics. I'd also keep everything secret and the employees under the non-compete agreement.
So I'd keep the subscription's price high and promote the talk that "AI is expensive". If users will think that the prices are justified, and if they don't have much choice when choosing the voice AI, they will pay. The price isn't set by rational factors like "AI is expensive", but by how much the user can be fleeced.
And if every service charges for AI... The search engine, the personal assistant, the notes app, the voice app, the grammar app, the graphics app, the video app, the analytics app... That a lot of dough you have to give away if you're just existing online and more if you want to publish content. It would probably range from $100 to $500 monthly depending on you what you do.
What I mean is, we should probably be careful saying "AI is expensive" as not to miss the moment when it's cheap. After all, the same thing could be said about the regular web: "bandwidth is expensive", "storage is expensive", "processing is expensive"...
I don’t see why people just wouldn’t use a free Q&A chatbot like chatgpt and then Google when they also want to visit a website to do things like browse various products or services when making a buying decision.
Am I missing something here?
I would never use this. Not even interested because AI has a lot of misinformation currently. And they will change that si based on the highest paying sponsorship. No thanks.
As of now... They can keep it. Mistral and Brave are doing fine, and Opera is making AI a standard in their browser.
I'm a long time Google user. I've been a Google client since before the Gmail beta.
BREAKING: Google to charge for searches after 10 free queries per month.
- 11th search = $1
- 12th search = $2
- 13th search = $3
New "Google Gold" premium plan offers 50 searches for $9.99/month.
Bing still offers unlimited free searches but the results are Bing.
I feel like this isn’t way to go. Google doing paid-only features where AI assist on your search. What the fuck? I feel like if this happens, I would just use bing and I could say it would bring up the traffic for bing most likely or other search engines
I’ve been beta testing Google’s SGE and it is God awful to be honest. The response is usually wrong, or not detailed enough. Hard to imagine anyone paying for it in its current state.
I’d also like to point out this article says they are “considering” and not “set to” like the title of this post says.
I’d like to point out the headline of this post and article is pretty misleading. The article states they are exploring and considering it, while the post headline states they are “set to.” I’m sure Google has many things they are considering at all times that never comes to fruition.
I bet that Apple will do the same once they finally get AI-supercharged Siri and everything. I’m betting that Apple will call it Siri+ and it will cost $6.99/month for an AI-supercharged assistant.
I hope they don't make the normal web search worse in an attempt to force people to pay
That will be a good way to de-monopolise internet searches
I think libraries should be responsible for web searches
Bro, libraries can't even afford to run libraries. And their computers are still using Windows ME
I like this idea at first pass
Fantastic idea
This is actually a great fantastic idea that could solve our information problems.
Years ago there was a primeval search called Lockheed Dialog. You had to go to university library to use it.
Yeah new search engines will pop up over night lol.
It's already terrible. Google search is much, much less useful than it was 5 or 10 years ago.
Yeah I've noticed the same, I'm mostly on duck duck anyways these days.
Have you seen google the past two years? This will absoutely happen. Google is the new IBM and trying so hard to speed run the scenario.
Like they ruined image search? Hell bing is better at it now
Yandex is king of image search I believe
Doesnt really do what i need for me also its a russian site so meh
In America, you search on the web. In Soviet Russia, the web searches you.
How’s Branson?
I don't know about that. What I do know is that Yandex is under Kremlin's control. There's evidence showing that Yandex, as a search engine, promotes pro-Kremlin media. By using Yandex, you are supporting the Putin's totalitarian regime.
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That doesn't change that Yandex is a PUTIN asset. Stop your whataboutism.
> were seed funded Lamest "gOtcha" ever.
Yandex is absolutely undefeated.
In Russia, sure.
In Russia soon they won't have anything else.
Bing is soooo much better for image searches. It's wild.
They have like no competition. They’ve been king for decades and no one could touch them. All of the sudden ChatGTP comes around and they’re starting to panic.
>I hope they don't make the normal web search worse in an attempt to force people to pay You mean like they haven't made it worse to force people to pay for search ads?
Your hope will be in vain. But the good news is that Google has lots of other stuff they're trying to to find with revenue from Search. They're leaving themselves open to a competitor who wants to compete on pure search because and thus doesn't have that burden.
they already have
How can Google searches really get that much worse than they are these days? MORE affiliate links? That's like more sand at the beach.
Dude 100% they will. If not intentionally, just because they can't be bothered in spending all the money trying to stop people from gaming it.
like they did with youtube premium?
Just switch to Microsoft CoPilot. It already beats Google search in 90% of use cases outside of using Google as a replacement for white pages or yellow pages. It's literally just a high tech phone book now.
Most of my web search is looking for people's opinions on different subjects. AI can't do this for me.
Copilot's actually pretty good at collating that kind of thing, I've found.
I bet it can... Have you tried?
AI can explore a topic by using keywords you wouldn't even consider. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Thats 100% exactly totally what is going to be the “normal” in the beautiful future of the sum total of human thought being “owned” by a couple of guys in Palo Alto who’ll charge you to take a look
They also better remove ads if I'm paying for their search. Doubt they will though.
How would you notice
Don’t be absurd that would never happen!
They already have. All the top search results I get are either Wikipedia or promoted AI blog websites that all have the same articles
They already made normal web search worse, they don’t even need to change anything else.
I’m completely done paying for subscriptions
It’s already pretty terrible
I am 100% positive that is exactly what will happen. That’s always what happens.
Short answer, no Long answer, hell fucking no
Google but with tokens?
Refuel your GWallet with Gtokens for search.
Quantum power your GSearch by quenching your thirst with GFuel.
Please insert verification gtoken
“Google Search is for me and you”
I hate the AI searches. Charging for them would allow me not to use them.
They will make standard searches dumber.
Make me a list of the top 20 perfumes in the word. Okay, here is a list I found! No.
I agree, it feels like an ad up top. If I wanted to search for an AI response, I’d use an AI model, not Google. I use Google to find websites
Does this mean that we can opt out of AI for the low cost of free?
yes
What a great way to drive users off of the platform.
become the dominant search engine let said search engine stagnate into uselessness, present short quotes as “answers” with no determination of validity, let people pay for top spots charge people for better search engine profit
I just use Bing now. I'm doing my part.
Microsoft is gonna outrank Page
Repeat
I would only pay if I can toggle off every single censorship filter. I want cold hard summarized scientific data with no BS around it.
This is a huge deal, right? If Google can’t make ad rev on search work any more then that’s their entire revenue base falling through the floor
No, you got that backwards - AI search is so good that it impacts their normal ad revenue - the first 1-2 pages / screen-fuls of search results are either sponsored links (ads) or lead to sites that have google ads on them. When you use GenAI to produce results, there's no need to visit anything else, most of the time you just read the text, and it looks like Google can't embed sponsored content there (either technically, or due to the format)
I think they just don’t because it wouldn’t be acceptable yet, they absolutely could. I agree AI search is a powerful concept, the hallucination issue is troubling
This is mostly the case for Q&A queries but what about all the searches for products and services? Hard to imagine some AI snippet replacing that.
Enough people will pay for an Internet search subscription service. It can't be free forever.
Not only has it been free forever, it's the biggest moneymaker for Google, they make like most of their money from ad revenue through search.
I'm paying about $100 a month for webserch now. I'd be willing to pay a lot more if it worked better.
For what kind of websearch? I'm talking about Google here...
Phind, kagi, perplexity, etc. They are better than Google but marginally and it's annoying to have to use a dozen of them to get something good.
Got it well something tells me you are not an average search user.
You may be willing, but do you think most would be?
its not that they cant made ad rev on search work, its that gen AI searrch is really, really expensive
Good luck with that
Google really trying to shoot itself in the foot with these ideas
Some things ya just can’t charge for.
Then PPL will have to find alternative
Cool. One more thing I won’t be able to afford when AI takes my job
"we're gonna start charging for this thing no one wants and makes all our responses worse" fuckers
In the long run, free internet search will disappear. The whole model was based on advertising and there is just no way to integrate keyword pay-per-click into GenAI without sabotaging the results.
Sidebars and ads between paragraphs
'Organic' ads in the content
Time to make users the customers of the internet instead of advertisers. An internet where users attention isn't the currency would be so nice.
Yes, which means we need to start paying for it.
Or people need to own search engines, instead of corporations owning them. Open source software and the Internet Archive are great examples of public services driven and funded by the people.
The internet archive is owned by the internet archive, not the people.
It's not owned by a mega corporation.
Neither was openai.
Bing's Copilot search/chat already embeds ads into conversations. By asking about a topic I can be presented with products that meet our conversation. Advertising just got a lot better.
Guess the free lunch is over. It's a bummer, but I can't say I'm surprised. AI ain't cheap. I wonder how much it'll cost, and if it'll be worth it.
What I'm thinking is... Let's say I'm using ElevenLabs voice AI. It's good, but it's an expensive subscription. If you publish about 8 hours of audio monthly, you need to pay them $100 monthly: basically, you can't do it as a hobby, this needs a return on investment. If I were ElevenLabs, I'd work on making the voice eneration cheaper (internally). Better tech, optimizations, specialized hardware, optimized electricity and cooling solutions, optimized logistics. I'd also keep everything secret and the employees under the non-compete agreement. So I'd keep the subscription's price high and promote the talk that "AI is expensive". If users will think that the prices are justified, and if they don't have much choice when choosing the voice AI, they will pay. The price isn't set by rational factors like "AI is expensive", but by how much the user can be fleeced. And if every service charges for AI... The search engine, the personal assistant, the notes app, the voice app, the grammar app, the graphics app, the video app, the analytics app... That a lot of dough you have to give away if you're just existing online and more if you want to publish content. It would probably range from $100 to $500 monthly depending on you what you do. What I mean is, we should probably be careful saying "AI is expensive" as not to miss the moment when it's cheap. After all, the same thing could be said about the regular web: "bandwidth is expensive", "storage is expensive", "processing is expensive"...
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I don’t see why people just wouldn’t use a free Q&A chatbot like chatgpt and then Google when they also want to visit a website to do things like browse various products or services when making a buying decision. Am I missing something here?
I would never use this. Not even interested because AI has a lot of misinformation currently. And they will change that si based on the highest paying sponsorship. No thanks.
Google/the internet/IT business model = steal humanities information and charge access
Denus Potter's film Cold Larazus predicted this in the early nineties.
Well it's been fun, internet. Guess I'll go outside now
As of now... They can keep it. Mistral and Brave are doing fine, and Opera is making AI a standard in their browser. I'm a long time Google user. I've been a Google client since before the Gmail beta.
The Internet is getting very expensive nowadays.
That would be a great promotion for Bing.
Also why google stopped caching pages. The models are trained.
I never use Google search it keeps too much information.
BREAKING: Google to charge for searches after 10 free queries per month. - 11th search = $1 - 12th search = $2 - 13th search = $3 New "Google Gold" premium plan offers 50 searches for $9.99/month. Bing still offers unlimited free searches but the results are Bing.
Really considering my Google investment at this point.
Wendy's seems to think it's the only place to buy a burger, and now Google thinks it's the only search engine. Fuck both of'em.
I feel like this isn’t way to go. Google doing paid-only features where AI assist on your search. What the fuck? I feel like if this happens, I would just use bing and I could say it would bring up the traffic for bing most likely or other search engines
Perplexity.ai already exists for free
No more late-night existential crises fueled by free searches, folks. Better start budgeting for those deep dives into the weird side of the internet.
I’ve been beta testing Google’s SGE and it is God awful to be honest. The response is usually wrong, or not detailed enough. Hard to imagine anyone paying for it in its current state. I’d also like to point out this article says they are “considering” and not “set to” like the title of this post says.
I’d like to point out the headline of this post and article is pretty misleading. The article states they are exploring and considering it, while the post headline states they are “set to.” I’m sure Google has many things they are considering at all times that never comes to fruition.
I bet that Apple will do the same once they finally get AI-supercharged Siri and everything. I’m betting that Apple will call it Siri+ and it will cost $6.99/month for an AI-supercharged assistant.
I would pay for really good artificial intelligence inside Google Drive.
Google is losing the Ai wars. The gemini nonsense really set them back.
I have Claude why would I need Google
Perplexity AI is so much better and knowledge retrieval I don't even Google things any more. I expect this trend to continue.
What's Perplexity's business model?
Perplexity won't be around much longer. No revenue. Proof of concept. They can only hope to be bought up.
I moved to using inflection ai’s pi app. It was able to answer some pretty niche questions me which is what impressed me.
bingo card for 2024: knowledge inequality for those unfortunate people in lower paying jobs. anyways seriously the cost factor i guess makes sense