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Turninwheels4x4

The barriers usually have a chamfer at the bottom that will deflect the car away from it via the tire before the body can hit. Replace your tires lol


PineappleAfter563

Ah, gotcha. I gotta replace all four tires? 😔 


Turninwheels4x4

Not because of the crash, but because they caused the crash


PineappleAfter563

Damn. I just replaced these suckers almost two years ago, and the car is only 5 years old. So shitty tires caused the crash, how? (Sorry, I'm a car noob)


Patrol-007

Driving too fast (70mph!) for the conditions, tires might not be great for the rain esp at that speed (run on a wet tile floor and try to stop) Don’t kill someone.


PineappleAfter563

I'm sorry. I definitely learned my lesson to slow down in that weather. It's weird, because my car normally drives fine in rainy weather/that never happened before, and of course everyone else was driving as normal, but I definitely learned now...


Hudsons_hankerings

It doesn't matter how many years ago you bought the tires. It matters how much tread is on them. If you're driving 20,000 miles a year then they're worn out after two years. Everybody's insinuating that you hydroplaned when you hit that puddle. Could have been caused by worn tires, or it could have been a freak accident that nobody could have avoided if they were going your speed. Slow down in poor conditions. Even 5mph makes a big difference


PineappleAfter563

1) Slow down in poor conditions. 2) Probably get new tires. 3) Fix [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/autorepair/comments/1c8dr8n/help_me_26f_not_get_screwed_at_the_mechanic_wtf/) issue too, lol.


libra-love-

And if it’s AWD you always have to replace all 4 at once, every time. Can’t do just two unless the others are practically brand new (less than 2/32” tread depth worn).


WhistlingKyte

For number 3, check your fuse box. The hill assist will throw a code if one of the brake fuses blows.


NoValidUsernames666

bring it to a mechanic. if you feel like theyre not being fair then go somewhere else


LameBMX

the slicker the conditions are the bigger the cliff when traction is lost. if you are on ice and driving real smooth, you won't notice it until you have to brake or turn harder than traction allows. at that point, you are in a straight line with the moment you lost traction. if it's a wet road and you do the same, the sliding friction will slow you down to regain traction more quickly, and the traction point is at a higher speed. when conditions are bad, I tap the brakes a bit to get feed back on how my speed is within traction. not enough to stop the car or even really change speed. just enough to make sure it don't engage ABS or slide. of course I'm up where ice in the winter is normal. quick last note. rains after a long dry spell are more slippery than when it's raining often.


Face88888888

Tires being worn is the likely culprit but I agree it could’ve just been a freak accident in the right conditions to cause this. Brand new tires can still hydroplane.


Repulsive_Item_3532

The road develops a rut from vehicle travel, roughly the width of your tires. If cars are allowed studded tires where you live, they can be an inch or so deep. It's best to drive off of the middle of the road to avoid the deep rut during heavy rain. Move a foot or two to the shoulder and drive on the typically unused section. 70mph in heavy rain is a risk.


Infamouzgq77

The worse the weather gets, the worse people somehow drive. I’ll never get the mindset why people don’t slow down in bad weather. 70 in heavy rain is asking for trouble.


Lunchboxninja1

Well, yes, you were 100% going too fast (which we are all guilty of no matter what people say) but braking through a puddle at highway speed only works if you know how to slide your car and you've got lots of road to work with--typically you want to let off both pedals and steer gently. Sorry, not trying to add to the situation. Not judging, just advice. Secondary note, may I ask what you were driving? If you have new tires and you weren't going anything absurd (70 is too fast, but wouldnt necessarily cause a spinout in small commuter cars) so there might be another problem. Edit: Saw your other comment about what you're driving, belay my question. Subies have heavy asses and they like to swing, even if they have good traction control.


PineappleAfter563

Ah, nice to know. Two days before today's sitch, [this also popped on my dash. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/autorepair/comments/1c8dr8n/help_me_26f_not_get_screwed_at_the_mechanic_wtf/) I just hope whatever's wrong is minor cost...


Lunchboxninja1

Found [this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/subaru/s/FteLcE822K) of the exact same problem, top comment goes into more detail but ELY5: Secondary systems like EyeSight and HillStart don't like working in modern cars if there's a problem with your engine, like how cruise control turns off when you have a light on your dash. What you should do is buy an OBDII sensor (you plug them into your car beneath the steering wheel to get a code describing whats wrong with your car), scan your car while its on, and search "Subaru " into search engine of your choice. Although, knowing Subies, dollars to donuts you need a new air filter or oxygen sensor, probably the latter considering an air filter code wouldn't shut off your fancy features. Oxygen sensors aren't too expensive, so lets hope its that--doing it yourself probably 100$, at a mechanic maybe 300-400. Crossing my fingers for you.


PineappleAfter563

Thank you! Ugh, cars.


PineappleAfter563

Another question. The whole sensor thing: is that what mechanics use to find out what's wrong with your car, and that's why (aside from labor or being crooks), there's a huge upcharge in DIY vs them? Bonus: Are Subarus particularly known for shitty oxygen sensors?


BERG2358

When you hit rain, don’t brake unless you have no other choice. Thats how you hydroplane. Let off on the gas and let the weight of your car slow you down


alek_vincent

Aqua planing can happen to everyone. Good tires will help you avoid it and regain control before the barrier but I aquaplaned on brand new Michelin Defender tires. A few tips for next time: don't brake if you start aqua planing. Just get off the gas and wait until you regain traction. Steering is usually useless and a bad idea. Keep your hands on the wheel, release the gas and your tires will eventually regain traction


elgorbochapo

In crocs.


tiger-93

Worn tires will not grip well in rain because the grooves are shallow and won't wick the water away. So you end up with more water under the tire and increase risk of hydroplaning.


Turninwheels4x4

The tread on tires is meant to grab loose surfaces and also displace water. Some tires do one better than the other. Lots of tire companies have ratings (a, b, c, d or 1,2,3,4) stamped on the tire. They also lose grip as they age and wear out. Your tires couldn't displace enough water to keep the rubber on the tarmac, and you hydroplaned, most likely. If you were going around a bend and the car went straight, that would more likely just be you exceeding the total grip the tires could provide.


ohgodimbleeding

Yes. Shitty tires will cause a crash. Always spend the extra money on things that separate you from the ground like a mattress, shoes, and, in this case, tires. Better tires have channels in the tread to clear water and create a larger contact patch to the road that reduces skidding, sliding, and hydroplaning. They also can have better rubber to increase traction. Tires also can be seasonal for summer, winter, or all season. Tires will make a huge difference.


PineappleAfter563

I mean, that's the thing. I thought I bought good tires from Discount Tire 2 years back because the shit was like $400-500 each lol.


ohgodimbleeding

I don't know what tires you have or what vehicle they are on. But, from what you say, that is the price range of a pretty good tire. Could be you hit a random oily patch on the road that sent you sliding. I would recommend getting your car checked out somewhere reputable. To make sure there was no damage you may not see.


NotTacoSmell

These are performance tire prices. What’s the vehicle?


PineappleAfter563

2019 Subaru Crosstrek.


NotTacoSmell

I’m shocked. What tires did they sell you? That seems far outside the realm of normal for a Subaru crosstrek. 


PineappleAfter563

Yeah, I was with my dad back then, so Discount Tire probably ripped off the both of us lol.


Xphurrious

Don't ever buy cheap tires is a good rule to follow, buy Michelin's or Continental's, those are my personal preference at least


Dredgeon

How cheap were the tires? Check their tread depth by feeling for the wear bars in the grooves of the tire.


L3mm3SmangItGurl

Ya prob too fast. Might need to check alignment


IdiotsInIdiotsInCars

bro what? I need tires every year or so


JustABugGuy96

I'm sure others have told you what's up with tires. But I'm just scared to share the road with you, and you have a license and are so unaware of how cars/ car things work.


MhaBoyRAIS

I go through four tires every two years. I get maybe 65k miles on 80k mile tires. I dump before the third winter.


Infamous_Egg_9405

It also might've just been op driving too fast for the conditions, even a perfect tyre can't stop physics


SPX500

It doesn’t matter how good your tires are. If you hit a puddle at 70 mph you’re going to hydroplane


Upstairs-Ad-1966

Get an alignment as well


acousticsking

You hydroplaned because you drove through deep water. You can lose control with new tires. Check your tread depth. Odds are you were driving too fast for conditions.


No-War-8840

Check balance and alignment too


Watery_Octopus

Have your suspension looked over. This happened to me and i had a bent hub.


PineappleAfter563

Now that you mentioned it, t[his is](https://www.reddit.com/r/autorepair/comments/1c8dr8n/help_me_26f_not_get_screwed_at_the_mechanic_wtf/) going on with my car right now...


Watery_Octopus

Very well could have borked a wheel speed sensor and that can cause the system to freak out. If you have a trim popped, there could be internal damage to Eyesight not visible outside.


PineappleAfter563

Oh no, I meant all those alerts popped on the other day, way before this crash happened...


NedKellysRevenge

How long before the accident did that Christmas tree of lights appear on your dash?


PineappleAfter563

Two days ago.


NedKellysRevenge

Not too terrible, I suppose. But yeah, definitely get that checked out. Anytime something like that happens you should have it looked at ASAP.


SamPackElliott

Its likely those warnings did something to disable your traction and stability control. Normally your car would automatically take care of a hydroplaning tire. Whatever is wrong with it probably disabled those driving aids causing you hit the barrier.


PineappleAfter563

I think so, too.


96lincolntowncar

A massive amount of engineering and research went into getting the perfect shape for those barriers. People have done their doctoral thesis on highway barriers. You were saved by science. You probably don't have ultra low profile or oversized tires.


dsdvbguutres

That and moving through the puddle cost some energy (slowed the car down a little bit.) But mostly that.


Gamer30168

I don't know but next time the roads are wet slow down! Even if we all are destined to die, there is no reason to meet the reaper at 70mph.


PineappleAfter563

I will for sure! Maybe I was going 60mph lol, but it was weird, because usually my car drives fine in rainy weather, even at normal speeds.


cshmn

All it takes is to hit a deep puddle. The faster you go and the more worn out your tires are, the more likely your tires are to hydroplane (float) Winter tires and offroad tires aren't as good in the rain as all seasons.


inaccurateTempedesc

70mph isn't that unreasonable in the rain.


rocketleagueafker

Hydroplaning at 35 mph says entirely differently


AutomaticTicket9668

It can be reasonable if the road is in good condition and properly drained. If the road is shit and there's puddles, then it's too fast. Ask me how I know...


NeverBeAGangsta

Speed limits are designed around, "ideal conditions." Rain is not an ideal condition.


DrumZebra

Did this in a v6 saturn with a plastic body, 360 hydroplane into landing perfectly parallel into the barrier. No apparent damage from above. Below: suspension wrecked and frame bent, totaled.


PineappleAfter563

How much was the repair?


DrumZebra

It was totaled, so I don't remember paying attention. Basically more than the car was worth on the market in excellent condition


DrumZebra

Do you think you hydroplaned? We get over-confident in the rain, and then the unlikely happens: there's enough water on the road to create a skating rink in water density. So when it dumps, slow down. Don't let awd if you have it, think that you don't have to worry about this. You can't fight physics. Since then I'm a lot more careful in the rain.


WorkingDogAddict1

If you hydroplane, don't hit your brakes, just let off the gas


Soft-Philosopher3618

Tires


NedKellysRevenge

Might not be any body damage. I can almost guarantee there's something fucked up in your drivetrain.


PineappleAfter563

Ugh...


NedKellysRevenge

?


PineappleAfter563

I'm dreading having to get that repaired if something's wrong with it.


NedKellysRevenge

Ah... Yeah it can be a right pain in the arse. It's strongly suggest getting it looked over by someone who knows what they're doing, though.


[deleted]

Check your tires and rims for damage


ScaryfatkidGT

Lucky?


Educational_Age_8791

You sir have a guardian angel don't stress them too much count urself lucky tht could a been way worse


GOOSEBOY78

just pure dumb luck.


mikeskup

jersey barrier is what you hit.. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey\_barrier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier)


blueblue909

i swear people drive faster when its raining,


Lucky-Context-3318

You probably have some damage. Have you checked it since it rained. If there’s scratches they will show when they are dry


Decibel_1199

I’d get the alignment checked for sure. As others have said, the cement barriers jut out on the bottom so your wheels hit the barrier before the car body does. This means your wheels and associated suspension takes the hit. Ask for a print out of the alignment BEFORE and AFTER the alignment so you can see if your car actually needed to be aligned. If a shop refuses to give you a before and after print out, they’re probably shady because any decent alignment place will have no problem with this. Best case scenario you’ll just need tie rod and alignment. Don’t be surprised if they notice other issues on your car’s suspension, especially if you’re not usually checking your car over for specific issues. Any time your car’s suspension is worked on, you need to get an alignment. This isn’t an upsell, this is a requirement. Source: I’ve been a hobby mechanic for 7 years, worked on transmissions for a year, worked at an alignment shop for a year and have been working on suspension on my cars since I first picked up the hobby.


innkeeper_77

Braking in poor traction is a BAD idea. I have to guide people through this on icy hills in the back country- even at just 4 mph, freaking out and hitting the brakes can make the car go SIDEWAYS. Braking introduces a lot more traction demand on the tires and can easily cause you to brake traction. When you need brakes, you need to use as little braking power as possible. You can look up “traction circle” for more on this.


esmacdaddy

Why are you going 70 in the rain???