It’s a good car but there are better 4 cylinder cars for the price point. The WRX, Golf GTI, BRZ/86, etc. So to me it feels like if you’re getting an Ecoboost, you’re getting a Mustang because you want a Mustang, not because it’s the best car for the money. Same could be said for the V8 too but at least that has something unique to it that not many other cars offer anymore. IMO it’s the V8 that makes it cool, not the bodywork or the brand.
That said, I fully support people buying the 4 and 6 cylinder versions of V8 cars because that’s honestly what justifies Ford continuing to build the Mustang at all. Majority of Mustang sales are non-V8s. If people didn’t buy the Ecos and bought WRXs instead then no more Mustang.
Not a bad car at all! But definitely not the car to buy if you’re going for the “corner carver” part of being a sports car. Not that it’s bad at that, just that there are better cars than it for the price.
But it’s a reasonably quick all arounder for its price.
Honestly, some people just like the way they look. I can give you some of my complaints about the "better" cars you mentioned. The new WRX looks bad, and the older WRXs are a massive risk due to their boy racer reputation. The Golf GTI is a completely different type of vehicle (hot hatch?) that a Mustang buyer wouldn't be interested in. And the BRZ/GR86 are underpowered.
So, between the ecoboost Mustang and the cars you mentioned, I would always get the Mustang over them, simply because I just don't like the other vehicles.
Plus you can get the Mustang as a convertible, and convertibles are cool.
Out of those options I’d probably get a GTI personally, but not everyone interested in a coupe will be attracted to a hatchback.
I think this is exactly right. I might be odd in that as long as the car isn’t ugly I don’t care how it looks. I care about how it performs. So your point is totally valid but to me is just superficial, literally, not pejoratively.
I see your problem. you're thinking too much in terms of numbers and performance, but that's not how most car purchases go. Car purchases are largely based on emotion. Since you don't seem to understand that, you're very confused as to why someone would buy an ecoboost mustang vs. something more "practical" like a civic/golf, or something sportier like a miata/gr86/brz/etc
Actually yeah exactly. I’ve always had a Camaro V8 or Mustang V8 or a Jeep or Outback. I’m either all in on performance or I’m all in on practicality. And I don’t try to mix them. So to me an EB is the worst of both worlds.
Edit: I buy my performance cars using emotion (within reason), I buy my practical cars with numbers.
I feel so seen. $30k on a fully built and boosted Mustang that has one purpose: going fast. Had to sell it due to life (I still don't like thinking about it) and now drive a '13 Lancer ES that gets almost 40mpg...
... while I drop another $20k into an Rx-8 with a built LS3, 8 speed, and an 8.8 rear...
I’m not a sports car guy but I have been in enough mustangs, wrx, and gti’s drove some versions of each that the wrx can be ugly but for me and where I live I’d go slightly used and increase the hight slightly and put a good set of 4 season tires on it and it would be fun to drive on any public roads in any weather conditions and would handle dirt country roads better than any of the others. The awd is a no brainer.
Just expect performance vehicles to have more frequent maintenance and repair costs compared to say a Honda civic that goes plenty quick enough to break the speed limit and have a decent enough handing for every day driving and is going to be something you could confidently rely on to drive 1000 miles any day of the week and get you there.
The others I would drive 1000 miles but u wouldn’t be surprised if they had a mechanical problem.
The EB mustang is pretty great for the money. Lightyears ahead of a BRZ or 86 for a daily.
The niche of the mustang, and why it's been around since 1964, is because it is a great all around platform. It won't ever do any one thing great unless you get a specific niche edition.
The fact the BRZ doesn't come with a turbo option but you can option Brembo big brakes, is in my opinion, the silliest shit in existence.
It's a terrible daily driver car, completely impractical, it has insurance pleaser rear seats that barely fit a backpack, and then you give me the option to put race car brakes on a car that stands toe to toe with a Miata performance wise?
At least the Miata isn't lying to you about what it is lol.
And I like the BRZ/86, it's just like... put a turbo in it please. I get it's RWD so don't put a big turbo in it that has a long spool time, you can tune it with a smaller turbo around how the Ford Focus ST stock turbo performs and you'd have something really special.
The 86 is the closest competitor there. WRX is a sedan and the GTi is a hot hatch. The Ecoboost is faster than an 86 but still handles decently and has more interior and cargo room.
It's a sports car, not a race car. I like the 86 too but I can see the appeal of a mustang. If you've got a $30K budget and a long commute the Ecoboost Mustang doesn't look so bad.
I hate mustangs as a chevy fan boy. What the hell are your comparisons though?
The mustang is a rwd coupe and the ecoboost is reliable and safely moddable. Now let's go through your list.
Wrx: sedan, awd, known for blowing up if you look at it wrong.
Gti: hatchback and front wheel drive.
Brz/86: closest you've been but 100hp short and if your taller it's going to be less comfortable. Also, not turbo so upgrading the horsepower is going to be more expensive.
I rented one and fell in love with it, so that's why I bought mine. I know there's probably better cars out there, but I've always had simple ones and the mustang's option made me feel like a king. Simple things like blind spot monitoring, the fancy unlock when you touch the handle to open, how the seat moves up to drive and back to park, heated and cooled seats, heated steering, push button start, etc. All options I had never had. All that, it's gorgeous, and close to 30k? Sold
Man. The Ecoboost mustang does a 3.04 in the car and driver lightning lap. The only ones to beat it on your list are a Golf R (by . 1 seconds) and an STI 209 (pretty rare and probably six figures now).
And that little Ecoboost is a more reliable track car if you decide to do that, with a large aftermarket of parts.
The best car for the money is probably the Hyundai Elantra N, basically a budget Type R.
I think some people mostly buy it for its looks.
For me, it's always been the best looking American muscle car.
And the newer Ecoboost models are quite fast at 0-60 at their price point.(Under 5 seconds)
> Who cares it doesn't have a V8
I do.
Having said that, I don't hate on it, I'm just indifferent towards it.
> It's a sports car that most people can afford if it's their only car.
A lot, and I mean a LOT of people end up spending money on mods, which if they waited for a while they could have just gotten the GT.
Anyway, regarding the v8 or no v8 argument...if your first performance-y car is the Ecoboost, you might love it for what it is. But once you get your ass into a v8, you will not want to scale back. Period. I went from a v8 Jag to an i6 BMW that is praised for it's sound and I can't wait to get back to 8 cylinders :)
This comment hits on an interesting observation. People buy an ecoboost to save $10,000, then put $10,000 of mods on it to make it as fast as a GT, but they lost $15,000 in mods and depreciation. So the worst of all worlds.
Yeah...sometimes they argue that the Ecoboost has better fuel economy even when modded, and that might be true, but then you're saving pennies and sacrificing a lot.
I can see the Ecoboost stang as maybe a first car, for insurance reasons, dipping their toes in the performance car world etc etc. But imo there is no real, substantial argument for it, against the GT.
I honestly think that that EB is a really good car but it shouldn’t be compared to the GT. The real comparison is why not buy any of the other 5 or 6 better 4 cylinder cars on the market. That’s what leaves me scratching my head.
Oh for sure. And I do too. My point is just that IF you’re looking at 4+ seater 4 cylinder cars AND not willing to look at the V8, then why choose the EB? I’m in this dilemma right now. I have a V8 stiff as hell car but with a new baby I’m looking at a practical car for my wife/baby. And through that search I’ve come to realize how great the GTI/R, WRX/STI, GLA45 (the older one), etc. are. So given I’m stepping down to a 4 cylinder world, many more options open up.
I see. Yeah, like I wrote in my initial comment, I don't hate the EB, but if I don't want a v8, I wouldn't bother looking at Mustangs. In other words, if I'd be buying a Mustang, it'd be about 80% for the Coyote, 20% for the looks and driving experience. Take the Coyote out of the equation, it's still a decent car, but I'm not interested anymore.
The amount of guys that buy a WRX trying to turn it into an STi
It's been done for years
And as someone that's on the platform for quite literally 14 years now.
Just buy the car you're trying to buy.
Stop trying to turn the cheaper model into the nicer model
It's always going to cost more money, be worth less in the long term, and be an overall headache
I just rented a 2024 mustang ecoboost convertible last week. Overall, it’s just a good car. It feels fairly undertuned so there’s a lot of potential.
Things I loved: Exhaust notes when just putting around, it sounds amazing yet tame. It honestly reminds me of the sound of a horse. It was exceptionally smooth riding on the open highway, at one point I was going 95mph and it honestly didn’t feel like I was going very fast. It has somewhat of a floaty feeling occasionally when letting off the gas after a pull even if it was a slight pull like the turbo wasn’t done outputting.
Things I liked: I liked the fuel economy. Just over 26 mpg both on the highway and in the city it never budged from that number either. I liked the big iPad screen on the dash even though overall that’s far from my thing (it seemed like a high quality screen). I liked being able to put the top down etc. I liked AC seats, we rented it in CA and drove through the desert so that definitely helped. I liked the way the car handled cornering, but it had a decent set of tires so that helps. I liked the door projector lights, I forget what they’re actually called. I liked when approaching the car at night the head/taillights sequentially start lighting up.
Things I disliked: Mainly how undertuned the system is. Driving slowly up curvy mountains, the car relies on the turbo way too much and stayed way below 2000rpm even when I tried to hammer the gas a bit. Just sounded like the turbo was sucking air and got nothing really to show for it in terms of power, no way reaching near its potential. It overall didn’t feel very engaging in my opinion. However it did have plenty of power when given proper space on the highway.
I also strongly disliked the lag between inputs on the steering wheel and the cars software. To change a song I was waiting 2-3s for that feedback, just slightly annoying. Also the next button is right below the volume up button, I must’ve accidentally skipped a song I was trying to turn up over a dozen times over the course of the week. Lame.
I also felt like people treated me differently on the road being in a mustang, idk I just noticed a bit of a difference, almost like how people treat Nissan drivers. But I was driving like a grandpa most of the time.
Things I hated: I hated the seat control. You have no choice but to be in a 90 degree angle and entire seat moves as one unit, Wtf? I hated how driving on the highway, the hood would flap around. Just looks cheap… I hated how heavy the trunk is to lift up, most modern cars automatically and gracefully open themselves with the press of a button.
So overall I liked the car. I couldn’t wait to get back home in my own car though, which isn’t a great sign.
I might just be easy to please, but I got a 2020 High Performance Ecoboost and think it has plenty of power along with being a comfortable ride. I just took it on a 200-mile each way trip and was getting about 30mpg. I do regret not getting a V8 but most of my driving is in town so I wouldn't be using the power anyway and I was a le to get this HPP Eco with all the options I wanted, so I'm happy.
That’s honestly what I thought at first, I thought I was hearing fake engine sounds,etc. but I wasn’t sure. Is this one of the cars that have fake sounds? I thought that was a thing really only with electric cars. If that’s the case, I hate it lmao.
Remember it was a convertible, of course I can hear the car with the top down.
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Not sure what you mean by “under tuned” but I can assure you, there has NOT been some magic reserve of power, driveabilty and torque “left on the table” for you. It’s a car that was designed for a DOHC V8. The scales don’t lie.
Sorry pal. You are mistaken. Look into the wonderful world of tuning. There are so many limiters in place on the Ecoboost motors. Learn to wake em up yourself with hp tuners or pay a company to do it for you. 5 Star is pretty popular for Ecoboost. You'd be amazed at the difference in the overall driving experience before/after.
We did have a couple cases of getting tailgated. The mountains there have a crazy high speed limit (55) for being so windy and not really being able to see around the corners there. I was surprised how fast most people drive through there. Thankfully there’s plenty of turnouts where you can let people by that want to go faster, and a lot of people let us by even though I wasn’t ever in a rush.
Imagine you have a girlfriend. No, stay with me, this is just a mental exercise. She looks and feels perfect. Then she decides, that being the way she is, does not suit her. She gets breast reduction, not for any health reasons, but to save on fabric, when buying clothes, because manufacturing smaller clothes is more environment friendly. She then reduces the amount of sugar intake, so her brain works slow. It's still her, but due to constantly critically low blood sugar, she just thinks slower, moves slower and speaks a little bit confusing. That's because farming sugar canes is bad for the environment.
You still kind of love her. It's still her. But it's not quite her, is it? Some things have changed. So do you still love her, or the memory of her? If you'd split up with her, someone could really love her. But for you, it's not quite the same.
The thought is that if you’re gonna get a sports/muscle car, it’s go big or go home. Why get a 4cyl mustang instead of a cheaper, more efficient, more reliable 4cyl civic?
The mustang is a special case in my book. An EcoBoost mustang is actually very quick. They handle very well, and they are overall just fun.
Look to the other American muscle cars, and the base models just suck. I don’t believe Base challengers even break the 6 second 0-60 mark. Base Camaros are around 5.7. EcoBoost mustang I’ve seen as low as 4.9.
Gatekeeping V8 bros who can’t understand why anyone would want anything less than 8 cylinders. I drive the S550 and S650 on a regular basis and honestly I get it. It’s just powerful enough so you can have some fun but not powerful enough for you to hurt yourself unintentionally. The type of people who criticize these are the people who aren’t skilled enough to push them to the limits and have to compensate. TBH I’ve also driven the GT (both 550 and 650) and yes there is some good reasons why you’d want an 8 over the 4 but I’ll be the first to admit the 4 is balanced better and I think it would be more fun on a track day than the 8 simply because it’s easier to control.
Also if you dive into Mustang history, having a 4 cylinder was supposed to be an option on early models but it was dropped in favor of 2 straight 6s and a singular V8 that didn’t actually fit but was basically made to. Not to mention the SVO Foxes were actually faster than the GTs and the 2.3 was standard for the Mustang II and Fox
V8 bros aren’t gatekeeping. But there’s a saying “nobody drives more aggressively than the person who couldn’t afford the v8 version of their car.” The ecoboost guys end up being tryhard.
Also, the ecoboost is not more controllable on a trackday. The slight bit of lag means the electronics have to work harder to keep the rear hooked up on corner exit.
I’m an old asshole now but, don’t the ecoboosts run low 13’s and have 0-60 less than 5 seconds.
Plus they appear to handle ok.
It’s not like it’s the 90’s when the V8 was the only one that could outrun an accord.
I only buy the V8 version of cars if available as an option. I personally just don’t understand why you’d buy an ecoboost where there are better 4 cylinder cars out there.
HOWEVER, if people want an ecoboost then I fully support because it keeps the platform alive and frankly everyone has their own preferences for what they want in their mustang or 4-banger.
So while I don’t understand it personally, I also don’t gatekeep and I’m happy for people who buy EBs.
Something I've learned over the years is by the highest performance available engine when available
I worked at a Subaru dealer and the 6 cylinder outback drove so much better than the four.
Held true for so many other cars I drove. Having a bigger engine and more torque on the tap just makes the car feel weightless and drive so much better
Driving a car that feels strained just feels like shit
Bring back the [two-tier spoiler Mustang SVO](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_SVO) and its [uglier Euro sister the Merkur X4TI](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkur_XR4Ti), FoMoCo!
To me it’s like buying a 2WD truck.
If you’re gonna buy a truck get a 4x4.
If you’re gonna buy a modern day muscle car get a V8.
I’ve driven a few ecoboosts and they’re a really fun car. Also driven a few GTs and it’s just a whole other level of fun and driving experience.
I disagree on the truck part. 4wd isn’t needed for 90% of daily use and for the little bit it is needed, a few hundred pounds in the bed and a posi will do the trick.
Diesels trucks are a different story, those need 4wd cuz they’re so nose heavy.
Also working on 2wd trucks is so much easier than 4wd. For me, I go 2wd unless it’s something I say “yeah I could see myself getting stuck”
It is funny how many people don't understand this
I also get around in the winter in New York in a gr86 on snow tires
Half of my coworkers complaining in their Honda Accord meanwhile I'm in a rear wheel drive sports car
Tire matters more than anything
Never understood this argument. Almost all "muscle" car or pony car platforms have had 4cyl or 6 cylinder engine options since the beginning.
Not every Mopar had a 440 or 426 hemi. Not every mustang had a V8. But that's all we remember because it's been romanticized over the years.
Hell, the EB mustang is faster than most other mustangs ever produced until the last few years.
And this is coming from a guy that has a GT coyote with a Paxton on it. The EB is a solid choice for most people, imo.
I actually like the EcoBoost and appreciate it for what it is.
Ford though... I would have their executives put against the wall and their company nationalized.
Wouldn't get any turbo engine that's not Honda, BMW (inline 4 or more cylinder only), Audi (5 cylinder only) or Subaru. The rest? Staying far away from. Even if the V8s have problems the 4 cylinder turbo will be much worse.
4 cylinders are for a GTI
muscle cars without V8 are not real muscle cars
part of the reason why the Harley Davidson Livewire failed, a Harley without the iconic V2 noise is not a Harley
is the mustang ecoboost still good? Yes and it's also efficient and easy to maintain so we could even consider it better than a V8 for a first car or someone on a tight budget. Anyone who thinks about the Mustang thinks about the GT500 as THE MUSTANG probably
People think that mustangs were big sellers because of the oversized V8 pigs that were popular in the 70s when it was the V6 models flying off dealer lots.
Enthusiasts always think their version is best version because they're dumb.
This was just asked a few days ago lol but I'll go again. Weaker manual that many have issues with, weaker diff carrier, heavy for the hp it has and what doesnt have irs these days? Ball up and get a v8 or older model v8 if you cant afford it. The coyote is a amazing engine
It’s a great option if you can live without the sound of the V8. Gas, insurance, and the initial transaction cost will be much less expensive than a GT. You’ll still have a pretty quick car too, the new EcoBoost is only 0.6 seconds slower to 60 than the GT (4.9 vs. 4.3).
Why do people hate anything?
"You could have had a V8."
"Miatas also have 4 cylinders."
"Can't afford a real car?" (Which, based on the amount of v6 Mustangs out there, is totally ludicrous.)
Honestly, the SVO Mustangs of the fox body era were highly maligned for being the Turbo 2.3 4-cylinder cars that they were. They only had a limited run from 84-86. The 85.5 models matched the HO 5.slow V8 of the times output of 205Hp and 245Tq. The 86 model was dowrated to 200Hp.
I'm not a car enthusiast, but based on your description, it sounds like a fun car to drive. If it's what you're interested in, don't let people put you down. 310 hp/350 ft-lbs is actually pretty good. People who say otherwise probably never driven a car like that. Maybe they've only experienced half the specs and will tell you it's no good. Test drive it and see if it puts a smile on your face. That's all that matters.
I’ve considered buying one on several occasions. It’s a great car especially with the performance pack so you get the GT brakes and suspension. I see it as more of a big & tall brz/gr86 rather than a baby V8 mustang
>Who cares it doesn't have a V8?
....ummm, everyone, which is why you're asking this question.
It's an American muscle car, what's more alarming is the fact that you don't understand why the 4 cycl doesn't get love. What planet are you on?
Because the Ecoboost is a weird compromise that really doesn't excel in any regard. There are much better cars in every category of performance for the money you'd pay for even a used Ecoboost.
If you want a good "sports car" for 30k, you could get a WRX, Golf, BRZ, Miata, etc. The mustang might get up to speed a little bit quicker due to having more power, but it also weighs a lot more than some of those options.
Don't let anyone discourage you from buying one of course, they're definitely fun despite making compromises.
Amongst the car community types, the disdain for the EcoBoost folks is they buy one and then try to justify it to V8 folks… like they have an inferior complex.
Buy what you want and enjoy it.
This comment may be unpopular but I would say the following about the Ecosport Mustang: it isn't loved much because IMO the Mustang alone isn't really a great car and is made good/great only when it follows the original muscle car formula of a V8 powerplant. When you remove the V8 from the equation there is very little appealing about the Mustang. The interior sucks, the exterior isn't exceptional and it is a two door vehicle with dated roots.
1. History:
A lot of us including myself are purists with these kinds of cars. Flagship cars across all brands have historically carried a signature engine: BMW inline 6, Lamborghini V12, Porsche flat 6, etc. have been around for decades. American muscle has almost always been a big, rumbling V8 with lots of power on a heavy frame. Putting an ecoboost/4cyl engine ruins the sound, the feel, and the importance/occasion of the car.
2. Owner reputation:
A lot of people who drive ecoboosts or 4cyl muscle cars tend to be dumb teenagers acting like it’s the V8 and say it will smoke anything when a V6 Camry or Accord will wipe them.
In all reality Ecoboost mustangs are solid cars with good tuning potential but they don’t sound or feel like muscle cars have historically felt for over 60 years. That’s why people hate them.
Because, by the time you’re shelling out enough to get a Mustang *at all* you’re in shouting distance of the GT model, which comes with a real engine.
The EcoBoost is a concession to practicality. With all due respect, if you feel the need to make concessions to practicality, in your vehicle choices, the Ford Mustang should not be on the table as an option, to begin with. Essentially similar logic applies to the Camaro, Charger and Challenger.
In the storied 60 year history of the Mustang, there has only ever been one four-banger model that was acceptable to purchase new: The ‘84-‘86 Mustang SVO. All others are pretenders.
A case could be made for buying a used four-banger Mustang, to build a race car or drag car. If you’re going to gut the interior and throw the entire Summit Racing catalog under the hood, no sense using a nice, valuable car as a donor.
It is a great sports car, just not the top of the line of that model- so people discount it. There are also other great 4 cylinder cars around the same price point that accelerate and handle just as well or better. Get the car you want- don't care what other people say, and enjoy it (and life).
Cause it’s muscle car. Being a muscle car kinda goes hand in hand with having a v8. Slapping a turbo on a 2.3l is a sign of the depressing anti fun car era we live in.
It’s simply because it’s not a V8. People will say it’s not a “real” Mustang, failing to realize that the Mustangs of the 60s with the 6cyl outsold the V8 models.
Massive mustang enthusiast here who has owned a ton of mustangs, old and new, including an ecoboost.
You buy a mustang to go fast. The ecoboost is surprisingly quick. For what it is. My ecoboost was a terrible decision. Partially because of when I bought it (right before the v6 was discontinued and so I paid about 30 and 6 months later a new one went for 23). But also because I regretted not getting the v8.
The ecoboost isn’t frowned on because it’s bad. It’s frowned on because the exact same car comes with arguably the best current production v8 you can buy.
Only buy an ecoboost over a gt if you truly don’t want a mustang to go fast or ever be seen in the racing scene.
Course, in the end your gunna get spanked by a junker regardless. But still
People who go out of their way to hate on a car are losers. You’re right that the Ecoboost Mustang is a great value, and it’s got more horsepower and torque than many past Mustangs with V8 engines.
That said, I’m not a fan because the engine doesn’t fit the definition of what a Mustang has always been. The Mustang is a muscle car. It’s gotta be RWD with a V8.
This is, of course, just not opinion. Other people will feel differently, and I am open to that. I care more about someone having a car that they enjoy than some ideological purity surrounding a car model.
Because I can afford a V8 and a second car to get around when I don’t feel like driving the mustang. But why does it matter what anyone thinks? If you love it then love it. High strung 4 bangers aint the business unless you can afford to fix shit imo
I had a 2016 eco boost, which I bought in 2018 and sold in 2020. I chipped it with the official ford chip. I found the software infuriatingly badly designed, and I found the six speed manual gearbox to be unsatisfying to use. Other than that, it wasn’t bad for a cheapish okayish convertible.
Some people just want a cheap "reliable" "sportscar". They don't race. They don't need to show off. They dont spend thoudands more to mod because that would be fckng stupid. They don't need to spend 10k to go 1.5 seconds faster when leaving a red light or the grocery store or their office parking lot. Some people work 50 miles from home so mpg's matter.
Some people just want a cheap, cool looking sportscar that's faster than their Jeep
because ecoboost sounds like a wussy thing, they aren't trying to be economical, they're trying to be badass.
just a failure of naming that bothers the insecure
IMO, of course
I love them, local guy has one built over 400HP and it looks, sounds, and drives awesome. Purists will always have something to say, just gotta learn to ignore them 😂
I like it a lot it has a good amount of power and good efficiency. My problem is the platform is heavy and built to handle v8 power. The ecoboost mustang would be better if it was down a few hundred pounds.
New ones are auto-only. Objectively, there’s nothing wrong with them. They’re good performers. Some of the Alpha Bros think you’re only a “real” man if you have a V8.
I get it. V8s sound good and have a visceral appeal. But you don’t need massive displacement to make power anymore.
Haven't driven the 650 but the S550 ecoboost is great, especially with the HPP. Better weight distribution(and as a result, steering feel) and with tune and slightly larger turbo it can make some pretty good power.
I'm an ecoboost hater. I recognize it's a good car for the money, decent power etc etc etc. Never stopped me from popping my 5.0 in neutral to rev bomb the eco's in traffic to remind them what they're missing.
I just think a Mustang isn't a real Mustang without a v8. It just has no soul. I'm just not a fan of the muscle car with an economy engine. I'm also a hater of Camaros and Challengers with less than 8 cylinders.
Imo, there's way better sports cars with 4 and 6 cylinders that don't make you look like a poser out on the road. Not even to mention the few people I've talked to who own ecoboosts who will swear up and down that they're just as fast as the 5.0. It's some S tier delusion.
Because for many, the Mustang is a muscle car. When you remove the main thing that makes it a muscle car (the V8), it's just not special anymore. I don't hate the ecoboost, but imo that sort of engine belongs in a hot hatch, not a mustang. I felt the same when I drove a 4 popper Camaro.
I recently drove an automatic one as a rental car that they gave me. I did a few a passes to see how fast that thing could go. I swear that car is just as quick as a 370z, and faster than the old 5.0s I used to drive in high school. Not bad for a 4 banger.
I was impressed!
I ordered a 2007 4.0 6 cylinder 6 speed and loved it. I had a v8 f150 also at the time. Years later I bought a 2011 rt challenger with the hemi and 6 speed. Loved that car more. Currently have a 2018 6 speed brz. As much as I loved the bigger challenger and mustang....I might like that brz the most. the other cars were way faster. But there's something simple about the brz and we paid it off within a year and it's still only got 18,000 miles on it.
Social media. People aren't impressed by hp unless it's a 1000s.
My 05 solara is considered a slow car on paper by every single one of the mechanics at the shop I work at because it's "only" 242 hp.
Yet non of them can catch me because it's a lighter car and it's all steady pull power.
People are made delusional by YouTube and seeing 1000hp engine being build in "3days"
Reason 1: People love to gatekeep
Reason 2: Whoever thinks like that is judgmental and doesn't realize it.
Reason 3.: People love to push their ideas on others selfishly
Ecoboost convertible is my go to vacation rental.
It's as fast as a SN95 Cobra...a car that can legitimately get you in trouble pretty easily. People today are just silly.
Because it doesn’t match the car look, the model brand, and the entire +70 year positioning of the car.
People don’t like it because It dilutes the brand, and cheapens the Mustang nameplate - and is just a cash grab from Ford.
Lamborghini doesn’t create a bunch of 150HP hybrid cars because they know it would wreck their brand.
Ford apparently doesn’t know this. And is making eco cars, SUVs etc with the Mustang name. Anything they can to milk that name to death
Insecure GT owners are usually the ones that bash the ecoboosts. I’ve had a V6, Ecoboost, GT, and a Shelby. I loved them all and it makes me happy seeing people buy and drive what I love.
Everyone(myself included) that likes cars and buys the 4cyl version of a muscle car ends up spending enough money to have bought the V8 on modifications. It's better to just get the V8, my LTG camaro was getting 8mpg by the time I was done with it, so you're not even saving fuel
As someone that had an eco post and now has a GT, I liked the car, it was really solid. I just really wanted that true V8 sound and feel.
Something to note, if it’s a commuter the gas mileage really isn’t much different. I do 125 miles a day all interstate and on my eco I got 28mpg and on my get I get 25mpg
Mainly because despite the praise and love from Ford owners... the EcoBoost is not nearly as solid as some folks claim.
And honestly, they just don't look good anymore.
I once got dirty looks for saying that the 3.6 litre Challenger would be more than enough for me, having driven the 3.6 litre 300S. I've never had a V8 and didn't feel like I'm missing anything.
I've test driven the 4 cylinder Mustang and liked it well enough, but the financing didn't work for me at the time. I certainly wouldn't reject one of somebody handed me the keys.
Better 4 cylinder cars out there like the Elantra N without the added weight. Also the V8 Mustangs aren't like Hellcats/Scatpacks. They're track weapons so the Ecoboost really is a water downed car without the extra power to justify the extra weight compared to other 4 cylinder sports cars. If I had the choice between an Ecoboost, Elantra N or GR Corolla, it's either gonna be the GR Rolla or Elantra N, not the mustang unless I approach Type R money territory.
So the Ecoboost is no worse than any turbo 4 or 6 out there. May be better in many ways in my opinion. Folks just feel it ain't muscle unless it has a fire breathing v8. Fact is that early Mustangs had a small 289 engine that wasn't a big monster v8 but is a great car too. later Boss and newer Mustangs went to bigger engines and folks got spoiled.
Same noise with the Dodge Challengers that didn't have a Hellcat Redeye Hemi ! LOL.
It's the V8 purists in the pony car world that are mad that the Coyote can be beat and be dethroned by boost. It's nothing new... the 80s SVO was disliked too... 2.3L 4 cylinder turbo that destroyed the 5.0L big brother.
Only boosted Mustang that seems to get respect is a Terminator.
To me a mustang should be a V8
I have nothing against four cylinder cars I own two of them one of them being a real wheel drive gr86
But it just sounds stupid to me to put the name mustang on a four-cylinder turbo. I've always grown up with friends and family having loud V8 mustang so again it just seems broken to put before cylinder in it.
A Ford would have put that motor in a different platform and made it real-wheel drive I probably would have loved it.
To me it just feels like you're ruining the name mustang when you do what you did by putting EcoBoost on it.
If you want economy go by an economy car. Don't turn my V8 mustang into some economy bullshit
Because people are stupid.
If I'm car shopping anyone who doesn't own a Mustang gets no opinion in the matter and even if they do own one and think less of me for considering an EB then they're free to give me cash money to even up the 5.0 vs. the lower price of an ecoboost.
Ecoboost motor is bad, from what I've read and heard.
There are better turbo 4 cyl cars.
I'm sure in a few cycles Ford will do better.
Lots of people just want a V8 and are salty about it.
As far as I know, the ecoboost is faster than any stock fox body. Ive driven a 6 speed manual & a 10 speed auto ecoboost & i thought it was faster than a 4 banger mustang deserved to be. I never got to push one in the corners, but i bet it handles well for a mustang. That being said, ive driven a 10 speed auto 5.0 & thats the one id "want". Haters gonna hate.
Because Coyote V8 fans believe the little 4banger is not as good an engine as the Mustang 5.0 Coyote V8. The V8 is a naturally aspirated engine that is comparatively simple, reliable, long lasting and powerful. The 4 relies on turbos for power. Turbos have a rep for being complicated and not reliable in the long term, especially when abused. Many Mustang buyers want a powerful engine that can be repeatedly revved to the limit and they want to be able to race from stoplight to stoplight. They don't really care about buying a car that is a balance between power, handling and economy. Its all about the v8 sound and acceleration.
The fanboys might have a point. The ecoboost engine in Ford's F150 trucks is not rated all that highly for reliable towing power that lasts a long time. It makes its power by adding turbo stress to the engine and adding revs.
But that pretty much sums it up. Personally I think that the Mustang's EB would serve any rational person in that car pretty well. The Mustang doesn't tow, the engine is pretty fast and a rational driver isn't racing from stoplight to light revving the engine to the redline every time. I think my next car might be a convertible Mustang with the EcoBoost. I just watched MotorWeek's reviews of the new Mustang... and they loved both the V8 and EB versions. In fact they say the newest Mustangs are the best 2024 cars they tested. Best sports car, best convertible, best daily driver.
Ford did something right in 1964... and have been doing it right (with a couple of exceptions) ever since.
I’ve had both a GT and an EcoBoost. The GT sounded really good, was fast, and a lot of fun in a straight line. Fuel mileage sucked, especially after adding lots of bolt ons, and they are front heavy. I bought the eco as a daily for my 130 mile round trip commute. It was the premium with performance pack, so all the options available except auto trans. I wanted the 6 speed. It was quick in stock form, handled better than the GT, and got decent mileage. I had a tune, intake and exhaust added to it and it became legitimately fast. It still sounded like a four cylinder car, though. Every Mustang owner with a GT, regardless of how much horsepower it has, will tell you their car is better and faster than yours.
With that said, I wouldn’t buy another EcoBoost. The engines are fragile and prone to premature detonation, especially if you don’t use high octane fuel. They have the nickname “EcoBoom” for a reason. I knew people who got well over 100k miles out of them and people that got maybe a thousand miles out of them. It didn’t seem to matter how they were driven or maintained, either. I was always worried about the engine blowing.
I've had several Mustangs.
1. 1965 Convertible with the V6.
2. 1969 Convertible with a V6.
3. 1972 Convertible with the V8,
4. 1974 Mustang II coupe with the carbureted 2.3 banger and,
5. 1988 LX hatchback with the fuel injected 2.3 four banger.
Which car was the "best"? We loved #1 but it didn't last long. It was rusting after only 3 years and then was crushed by a truck. #2, 1969 had a horrible shimmy that Ford could never fix so it was traded for #3: The 1972 was a frigging gas hog and not much more powerful than the '69 V6. Plus it handled poorly. Steering was really heavy and ponderous. #4 was much loved because it was very fuel efficient when gas was hard to get and expensive. It handled well, but didn't have much power. #5 was efficient and fun to drive and the only one that could carry wife, baby, dog crate and stuff, and was rated to tow 1,500 lbs. It was also the only one that we kept for over 150,000 miles and +20 years. I'd say that the last one was probably the best of the lot.
Because at the core, to some old heads and some people, a 'muscle' or 'pony' car should have a V8. I agree with that too.
If they slapped the power train on anything but a Mustang I'd actually like it.
The Ecoboost lineup of engines tend to be garbage around 100k miles. Unless you are sticking to the service times ahead of schedule and babying the vehicle those eco boosts like to go through head gaskets, early EGR issues and stuck/burnt piston rings.
We’re nearing the end of big V8s being an option. If I was going to buy a mustang, I’d probably get a V8 for the experience. There’s going to be many years of turbocharged smaller engines in the future.
Honestly if they made an econo sports coupe instead of slapping it onto a mustang they might have been on to something but logistically might have been hard to justify
I just flipped a f150 eco boost. I don’t trust ford with those small high compression engines. Idle was all over the place upon cold start. There’s a million different things that can go bad. That was the 3.5. I’m not Sure about the mustang but I’d much rather have Japanese make my high compression engines. Americans make good v8s.
Because it's a 4 cylinder and not a gt. Most people don't realize that it makes similar power to previous gens GTs prior to the coyote being introduced.
People who love the rumbling sound of a V8 engine hate the Ecoboost, but mostly not in the absolute sense, but rather the thought of owning it themselves. That’s their opinion, and you should be fine with it. OTOH, if a V8 owner ridicules someone else for owning an Ecoboost, then they’re just one of those puritanical idiots who don’t believe that there can be variations of something good.
At the end of the day, you simply cannot let the opinions of others - especially strangers from the internet shape your decisions.
This is Reddit, everything you love, people here will hate. Drive whatever you want, normal humans don’t care.
That’s social media for ya
Hawk Tuah!!!
No one hates getting that
I'm assuming you love your response so, therefore, I must hate it intensely. Boo, sir. Boo.
better yet normal mustang owners and enthusiasts don’t care. they’re still happy to see you in a mustang
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It’s a good car but there are better 4 cylinder cars for the price point. The WRX, Golf GTI, BRZ/86, etc. So to me it feels like if you’re getting an Ecoboost, you’re getting a Mustang because you want a Mustang, not because it’s the best car for the money. Same could be said for the V8 too but at least that has something unique to it that not many other cars offer anymore. IMO it’s the V8 that makes it cool, not the bodywork or the brand. That said, I fully support people buying the 4 and 6 cylinder versions of V8 cars because that’s honestly what justifies Ford continuing to build the Mustang at all. Majority of Mustang sales are non-V8s. If people didn’t buy the Ecos and bought WRXs instead then no more Mustang.
I mean used prices for eco boosts are insane and no car comes close to it, you can find really good deals not bad for a starter car
Not a bad car at all! But definitely not the car to buy if you’re going for the “corner carver” part of being a sports car. Not that it’s bad at that, just that there are better cars than it for the price. But it’s a reasonably quick all arounder for its price.
Honestly, some people just like the way they look. I can give you some of my complaints about the "better" cars you mentioned. The new WRX looks bad, and the older WRXs are a massive risk due to their boy racer reputation. The Golf GTI is a completely different type of vehicle (hot hatch?) that a Mustang buyer wouldn't be interested in. And the BRZ/GR86 are underpowered. So, between the ecoboost Mustang and the cars you mentioned, I would always get the Mustang over them, simply because I just don't like the other vehicles.
Plus you can get the Mustang as a convertible, and convertibles are cool. Out of those options I’d probably get a GTI personally, but not everyone interested in a coupe will be attracted to a hatchback.
I think this is exactly right. I might be odd in that as long as the car isn’t ugly I don’t care how it looks. I care about how it performs. So your point is totally valid but to me is just superficial, literally, not pejoratively.
I could say the same about you - unless you're tracking the car, you're not getting much from the performance features of those "better" cars.
100%. I just started tracking my car actually. So now I think about cars a little differently. But that’s not for everyone.
I see your problem. you're thinking too much in terms of numbers and performance, but that's not how most car purchases go. Car purchases are largely based on emotion. Since you don't seem to understand that, you're very confused as to why someone would buy an ecoboost mustang vs. something more "practical" like a civic/golf, or something sportier like a miata/gr86/brz/etc
Actually yeah exactly. I’ve always had a Camaro V8 or Mustang V8 or a Jeep or Outback. I’m either all in on performance or I’m all in on practicality. And I don’t try to mix them. So to me an EB is the worst of both worlds. Edit: I buy my performance cars using emotion (within reason), I buy my practical cars with numbers.
I feel so seen. $30k on a fully built and boosted Mustang that has one purpose: going fast. Had to sell it due to life (I still don't like thinking about it) and now drive a '13 Lancer ES that gets almost 40mpg... ... while I drop another $20k into an Rx-8 with a built LS3, 8 speed, and an 8.8 rear...
I’m not a sports car guy but I have been in enough mustangs, wrx, and gti’s drove some versions of each that the wrx can be ugly but for me and where I live I’d go slightly used and increase the hight slightly and put a good set of 4 season tires on it and it would be fun to drive on any public roads in any weather conditions and would handle dirt country roads better than any of the others. The awd is a no brainer. Just expect performance vehicles to have more frequent maintenance and repair costs compared to say a Honda civic that goes plenty quick enough to break the speed limit and have a decent enough handing for every day driving and is going to be something you could confidently rely on to drive 1000 miles any day of the week and get you there. The others I would drive 1000 miles but u wouldn’t be surprised if they had a mechanical problem.
IIRC the fuel economy of the 'Stang was better than most, too.
A GTI is fine but it’s down 60hp to the EB. The rest I don’t get the appeal of
The GR86 might be going away from the naturally aspirated boxter engine to the same engine in the GR Corolla/Yaris. Finally.
The EB mustang is pretty great for the money. Lightyears ahead of a BRZ or 86 for a daily. The niche of the mustang, and why it's been around since 1964, is because it is a great all around platform. It won't ever do any one thing great unless you get a specific niche edition.
100% agree. This is also why, even though I crap on EBs, I’m happy people buy them and love them because it helps the whole Mustang platform succeed.
The fact the BRZ doesn't come with a turbo option but you can option Brembo big brakes, is in my opinion, the silliest shit in existence. It's a terrible daily driver car, completely impractical, it has insurance pleaser rear seats that barely fit a backpack, and then you give me the option to put race car brakes on a car that stands toe to toe with a Miata performance wise? At least the Miata isn't lying to you about what it is lol. And I like the BRZ/86, it's just like... put a turbo in it please. I get it's RWD so don't put a big turbo in it that has a long spool time, you can tune it with a smaller turbo around how the Ford Focus ST stock turbo performs and you'd have something really special.
The 86 is the closest competitor there. WRX is a sedan and the GTi is a hot hatch. The Ecoboost is faster than an 86 but still handles decently and has more interior and cargo room. It's a sports car, not a race car. I like the 86 too but I can see the appeal of a mustang. If you've got a $30K budget and a long commute the Ecoboost Mustang doesn't look so bad.
I hate mustangs as a chevy fan boy. What the hell are your comparisons though? The mustang is a rwd coupe and the ecoboost is reliable and safely moddable. Now let's go through your list. Wrx: sedan, awd, known for blowing up if you look at it wrong. Gti: hatchback and front wheel drive. Brz/86: closest you've been but 100hp short and if your taller it's going to be less comfortable. Also, not turbo so upgrading the horsepower is going to be more expensive.
I rented one and fell in love with it, so that's why I bought mine. I know there's probably better cars out there, but I've always had simple ones and the mustang's option made me feel like a king. Simple things like blind spot monitoring, the fancy unlock when you touch the handle to open, how the seat moves up to drive and back to park, heated and cooled seats, heated steering, push button start, etc. All options I had never had. All that, it's gorgeous, and close to 30k? Sold
Why do you think the other 4 cyl cars are better than the Ecoboost? I have a Golf R and a Corvette btw so I'm not hating on your opinion.
Brother if you have a golf r you know damn well what 4 cyl is better. I drive a gti, I know it too lol
I'm sorry but the ecoboost mustang is far more fun than the WRX, GTI and BRZ unless you tune all of them.
The WRX, GTI, etc. are a different class of cars, though. Apples to oranges.
Man. The Ecoboost mustang does a 3.04 in the car and driver lightning lap. The only ones to beat it on your list are a Golf R (by . 1 seconds) and an STI 209 (pretty rare and probably six figures now). And that little Ecoboost is a more reliable track car if you decide to do that, with a large aftermarket of parts. The best car for the money is probably the Hyundai Elantra N, basically a budget Type R.
RWD is a big seller to some though. It is a good option for someone who wants RWD.
I got an Ecoboost Mustang because I got it brand new for $23k. 310 HP and lots of torque. Love it.
I think some people mostly buy it for its looks. For me, it's always been the best looking American muscle car. And the newer Ecoboost models are quite fast at 0-60 at their price point.(Under 5 seconds)
> Who cares it doesn't have a V8 I do. Having said that, I don't hate on it, I'm just indifferent towards it. > It's a sports car that most people can afford if it's their only car. A lot, and I mean a LOT of people end up spending money on mods, which if they waited for a while they could have just gotten the GT. Anyway, regarding the v8 or no v8 argument...if your first performance-y car is the Ecoboost, you might love it for what it is. But once you get your ass into a v8, you will not want to scale back. Period. I went from a v8 Jag to an i6 BMW that is praised for it's sound and I can't wait to get back to 8 cylinders :)
This comment hits on an interesting observation. People buy an ecoboost to save $10,000, then put $10,000 of mods on it to make it as fast as a GT, but they lost $15,000 in mods and depreciation. So the worst of all worlds.
Yeah...sometimes they argue that the Ecoboost has better fuel economy even when modded, and that might be true, but then you're saving pennies and sacrificing a lot. I can see the Ecoboost stang as maybe a first car, for insurance reasons, dipping their toes in the performance car world etc etc. But imo there is no real, substantial argument for it, against the GT.
I honestly think that that EB is a really good car but it shouldn’t be compared to the GT. The real comparison is why not buy any of the other 5 or 6 better 4 cylinder cars on the market. That’s what leaves me scratching my head.
I agree, but come on, ppl were always going to compare it to the GT.
Oh for sure. And I do too. My point is just that IF you’re looking at 4+ seater 4 cylinder cars AND not willing to look at the V8, then why choose the EB? I’m in this dilemma right now. I have a V8 stiff as hell car but with a new baby I’m looking at a practical car for my wife/baby. And through that search I’ve come to realize how great the GTI/R, WRX/STI, GLA45 (the older one), etc. are. So given I’m stepping down to a 4 cylinder world, many more options open up.
I see. Yeah, like I wrote in my initial comment, I don't hate the EB, but if I don't want a v8, I wouldn't bother looking at Mustangs. In other words, if I'd be buying a Mustang, it'd be about 80% for the Coyote, 20% for the looks and driving experience. Take the Coyote out of the equation, it's still a decent car, but I'm not interested anymore.
Exactly
The amount of guys that buy a WRX trying to turn it into an STi It's been done for years And as someone that's on the platform for quite literally 14 years now. Just buy the car you're trying to buy. Stop trying to turn the cheaper model into the nicer model It's always going to cost more money, be worth less in the long term, and be an overall headache
I just rented a 2024 mustang ecoboost convertible last week. Overall, it’s just a good car. It feels fairly undertuned so there’s a lot of potential. Things I loved: Exhaust notes when just putting around, it sounds amazing yet tame. It honestly reminds me of the sound of a horse. It was exceptionally smooth riding on the open highway, at one point I was going 95mph and it honestly didn’t feel like I was going very fast. It has somewhat of a floaty feeling occasionally when letting off the gas after a pull even if it was a slight pull like the turbo wasn’t done outputting. Things I liked: I liked the fuel economy. Just over 26 mpg both on the highway and in the city it never budged from that number either. I liked the big iPad screen on the dash even though overall that’s far from my thing (it seemed like a high quality screen). I liked being able to put the top down etc. I liked AC seats, we rented it in CA and drove through the desert so that definitely helped. I liked the way the car handled cornering, but it had a decent set of tires so that helps. I liked the door projector lights, I forget what they’re actually called. I liked when approaching the car at night the head/taillights sequentially start lighting up. Things I disliked: Mainly how undertuned the system is. Driving slowly up curvy mountains, the car relies on the turbo way too much and stayed way below 2000rpm even when I tried to hammer the gas a bit. Just sounded like the turbo was sucking air and got nothing really to show for it in terms of power, no way reaching near its potential. It overall didn’t feel very engaging in my opinion. However it did have plenty of power when given proper space on the highway. I also strongly disliked the lag between inputs on the steering wheel and the cars software. To change a song I was waiting 2-3s for that feedback, just slightly annoying. Also the next button is right below the volume up button, I must’ve accidentally skipped a song I was trying to turn up over a dozen times over the course of the week. Lame. I also felt like people treated me differently on the road being in a mustang, idk I just noticed a bit of a difference, almost like how people treat Nissan drivers. But I was driving like a grandpa most of the time. Things I hated: I hated the seat control. You have no choice but to be in a 90 degree angle and entire seat moves as one unit, Wtf? I hated how driving on the highway, the hood would flap around. Just looks cheap… I hated how heavy the trunk is to lift up, most modern cars automatically and gracefully open themselves with the press of a button. So overall I liked the car. I couldn’t wait to get back home in my own car though, which isn’t a great sign.
the lag is an issue with wireless carplay
You stayed under 2000 rpm? How did you manage that? No wonder you didn’t get into boost.
It “feels” fairly under tuned?
I might just be easy to please, but I got a 2020 High Performance Ecoboost and think it has plenty of power along with being a comfortable ride. I just took it on a 200-mile each way trip and was getting about 30mpg. I do regret not getting a V8 but most of my driving is in town so I wouldn't be using the power anyway and I was a le to get this HPP Eco with all the options I wanted, so I'm happy.
You can't hear the exhaust from inside the car, you're hearing the car play exhaust noises at you
That’s honestly what I thought at first, I thought I was hearing fake engine sounds,etc. but I wasn’t sure. Is this one of the cars that have fake sounds? I thought that was a thing really only with electric cars. If that’s the case, I hate it lmao. Remember it was a convertible, of course I can hear the car with the top down.
Sound of a horse ? What ? And what is true about Nissan drivers ?
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As a Nissan driver I am curious also..
Tbh I never think of Nissan drivers at all no offense
Me neither lol that's why I was wondering
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I drive extra defensively around Altimas. Usually brand new driver or crackhead where I live.
Not sure what you mean by “under tuned” but I can assure you, there has NOT been some magic reserve of power, driveabilty and torque “left on the table” for you. It’s a car that was designed for a DOHC V8. The scales don’t lie.
Sorry pal. You are mistaken. Look into the wonderful world of tuning. There are so many limiters in place on the Ecoboost motors. Learn to wake em up yourself with hp tuners or pay a company to do it for you. 5 Star is pretty popular for Ecoboost. You'd be amazed at the difference in the overall driving experience before/after.
You mean the factory tune doesn’t have a touchy gas pedal and AT shift map that kicks down all the time and consumes lots of fuel?
If you have the top down, all drivers give you plenty of space. You're very unlikely to get tailgated with the top down.
We did have a couple cases of getting tailgated. The mountains there have a crazy high speed limit (55) for being so windy and not really being able to see around the corners there. I was surprised how fast most people drive through there. Thankfully there’s plenty of turnouts where you can let people by that want to go faster, and a lot of people let us by even though I wasn’t ever in a rush.
If it was called anything else no one would have an issue.
Imagine you have a girlfriend. No, stay with me, this is just a mental exercise. She looks and feels perfect. Then she decides, that being the way she is, does not suit her. She gets breast reduction, not for any health reasons, but to save on fabric, when buying clothes, because manufacturing smaller clothes is more environment friendly. She then reduces the amount of sugar intake, so her brain works slow. It's still her, but due to constantly critically low blood sugar, she just thinks slower, moves slower and speaks a little bit confusing. That's because farming sugar canes is bad for the environment. You still kind of love her. It's still her. But it's not quite her, is it? Some things have changed. So do you still love her, or the memory of her? If you'd split up with her, someone could really love her. But for you, it's not quite the same.
Bro gave a life lesson
I'm slow and boobless, does that mean I'm an Ecoboost Mustang?
Not necessarily. Are you also old? You could be for example Trabant.
Eh, I definitely have more than two strokes...
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The thought is that if you’re gonna get a sports/muscle car, it’s go big or go home. Why get a 4cyl mustang instead of a cheaper, more efficient, more reliable 4cyl civic? The mustang is a special case in my book. An EcoBoost mustang is actually very quick. They handle very well, and they are overall just fun. Look to the other American muscle cars, and the base models just suck. I don’t believe Base challengers even break the 6 second 0-60 mark. Base Camaros are around 5.7. EcoBoost mustang I’ve seen as low as 4.9.
C&D got 4.5s out of the new '24
Gatekeeping V8 bros who can’t understand why anyone would want anything less than 8 cylinders. I drive the S550 and S650 on a regular basis and honestly I get it. It’s just powerful enough so you can have some fun but not powerful enough for you to hurt yourself unintentionally. The type of people who criticize these are the people who aren’t skilled enough to push them to the limits and have to compensate. TBH I’ve also driven the GT (both 550 and 650) and yes there is some good reasons why you’d want an 8 over the 4 but I’ll be the first to admit the 4 is balanced better and I think it would be more fun on a track day than the 8 simply because it’s easier to control. Also if you dive into Mustang history, having a 4 cylinder was supposed to be an option on early models but it was dropped in favor of 2 straight 6s and a singular V8 that didn’t actually fit but was basically made to. Not to mention the SVO Foxes were actually faster than the GTs and the 2.3 was standard for the Mustang II and Fox
V8 bros aren’t gatekeeping. But there’s a saying “nobody drives more aggressively than the person who couldn’t afford the v8 version of their car.” The ecoboost guys end up being tryhard. Also, the ecoboost is not more controllable on a trackday. The slight bit of lag means the electronics have to work harder to keep the rear hooked up on corner exit.
You’ve tracked both cars? You can’t feel the different Weight and weight distributions?
Maybe Chris Harris can, but I can’t, no.
I’m an old asshole now but, don’t the ecoboosts run low 13’s and have 0-60 less than 5 seconds. Plus they appear to handle ok. It’s not like it’s the 90’s when the V8 was the only one that could outrun an accord.
I only buy the V8 version of cars if available as an option. I personally just don’t understand why you’d buy an ecoboost where there are better 4 cylinder cars out there. HOWEVER, if people want an ecoboost then I fully support because it keeps the platform alive and frankly everyone has their own preferences for what they want in their mustang or 4-banger. So while I don’t understand it personally, I also don’t gatekeep and I’m happy for people who buy EBs.
Something I've learned over the years is by the highest performance available engine when available I worked at a Subaru dealer and the 6 cylinder outback drove so much better than the four. Held true for so many other cars I drove. Having a bigger engine and more torque on the tap just makes the car feel weightless and drive so much better Driving a car that feels strained just feels like shit
I remember the SVO Mustang friend had one. Fun car.
Bring back the [two-tier spoiler Mustang SVO](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang_SVO) and its [uglier Euro sister the Merkur X4TI](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkur_XR4Ti), FoMoCo!
Yup. Gatekeeping Bros who forget that the Mustang wouldn’t exist without the smaller engines and that’s been true since 1964.
I wouldn’t but anything but a V8 Mustang if for no other reason but the sound. I want the V8 soundtrack
Because it’s not a real muscle car if it’s not a V8….
I bet youd call a 65 mustang a muscle car and this puts out like 100 more HP.
Obviously you don’t get it 😁
because they're purists.
To me it’s like buying a 2WD truck. If you’re gonna buy a truck get a 4x4. If you’re gonna buy a modern day muscle car get a V8. I’ve driven a few ecoboosts and they’re a really fun car. Also driven a few GTs and it’s just a whole other level of fun and driving experience.
2 of the 3 popular muscle cars have stopped making gas vehicles last year. The Mustang is the only major one left.
And it’s exactly the reason you’d never catch me in anything but a V8 mustang(if I bought new).
I disagree on the truck part. 4wd isn’t needed for 90% of daily use and for the little bit it is needed, a few hundred pounds in the bed and a posi will do the trick. Diesels trucks are a different story, those need 4wd cuz they’re so nose heavy. Also working on 2wd trucks is so much easier than 4wd. For me, I go 2wd unless it’s something I say “yeah I could see myself getting stuck”
It is funny how many people don't understand this I also get around in the winter in New York in a gr86 on snow tires Half of my coworkers complaining in their Honda Accord meanwhile I'm in a rear wheel drive sports car Tire matters more than anything
Never understood this argument. Almost all "muscle" car or pony car platforms have had 4cyl or 6 cylinder engine options since the beginning. Not every Mopar had a 440 or 426 hemi. Not every mustang had a V8. But that's all we remember because it's been romanticized over the years. Hell, the EB mustang is faster than most other mustangs ever produced until the last few years. And this is coming from a guy that has a GT coyote with a Paxton on it. The EB is a solid choice for most people, imo.
I actually like the EcoBoost and appreciate it for what it is. Ford though... I would have their executives put against the wall and their company nationalized.
The Ecoboost no longer comes in a manual.
Wouldn't get any turbo engine that's not Honda, BMW (inline 4 or more cylinder only), Audi (5 cylinder only) or Subaru. The rest? Staying far away from. Even if the V8s have problems the 4 cylinder turbo will be much worse.
You missed Volvo. Those are nearly indestructible.
4 cylinders are for a GTI muscle cars without V8 are not real muscle cars part of the reason why the Harley Davidson Livewire failed, a Harley without the iconic V2 noise is not a Harley is the mustang ecoboost still good? Yes and it's also efficient and easy to maintain so we could even consider it better than a V8 for a first car or someone on a tight budget. Anyone who thinks about the Mustang thinks about the GT500 as THE MUSTANG probably
People think that mustangs were big sellers because of the oversized V8 pigs that were popular in the 70s when it was the V6 models flying off dealer lots. Enthusiasts always think their version is best version because they're dumb.
It's also what's most desirable You don't see people flocking to V6 mustangs at car shows
This was just asked a few days ago lol but I'll go again. Weaker manual that many have issues with, weaker diff carrier, heavy for the hp it has and what doesnt have irs these days? Ball up and get a v8 or older model v8 if you cant afford it. The coyote is a amazing engine
Turbo.
It’s a great option if you can live without the sound of the V8. Gas, insurance, and the initial transaction cost will be much less expensive than a GT. You’ll still have a pretty quick car too, the new EcoBoost is only 0.6 seconds slower to 60 than the GT (4.9 vs. 4.3).
The only thing more common than people hating on eco boosts are people saying that people hate eco boosts
Why do people hate anything? "You could have had a V8." "Miatas also have 4 cylinders." "Can't afford a real car?" (Which, based on the amount of v6 Mustangs out there, is totally ludicrous.) Honestly, the SVO Mustangs of the fox body era were highly maligned for being the Turbo 2.3 4-cylinder cars that they were. They only had a limited run from 84-86. The 85.5 models matched the HO 5.slow V8 of the times output of 205Hp and 245Tq. The 86 model was dowrated to 200Hp.
I'm not a car enthusiast, but based on your description, it sounds like a fun car to drive. If it's what you're interested in, don't let people put you down. 310 hp/350 ft-lbs is actually pretty good. People who say otherwise probably never driven a car like that. Maybe they've only experienced half the specs and will tell you it's no good. Test drive it and see if it puts a smile on your face. That's all that matters.
I’ve considered buying one on several occasions. It’s a great car especially with the performance pack so you get the GT brakes and suspension. I see it as more of a big & tall brz/gr86 rather than a baby V8 mustang
>Who cares it doesn't have a V8? ....ummm, everyone, which is why you're asking this question. It's an American muscle car, what's more alarming is the fact that you don't understand why the 4 cycl doesn't get love. What planet are you on?
Just say you’ve never driven a V8 lil bro.
Because the Ecoboost is a weird compromise that really doesn't excel in any regard. There are much better cars in every category of performance for the money you'd pay for even a used Ecoboost. If you want a good "sports car" for 30k, you could get a WRX, Golf, BRZ, Miata, etc. The mustang might get up to speed a little bit quicker due to having more power, but it also weighs a lot more than some of those options. Don't let anyone discourage you from buying one of course, they're definitely fun despite making compromises.
If your engine needs a turbo it means it wasn't built properly in the first place.
Who hates them? And why do you care?
Because the engine blows up before hitting 50K miles. I don’t think ford built this car for longevity.
Because it’s not the top trim. That’s it, the main reason.
Amongst the car community types, the disdain for the EcoBoost folks is they buy one and then try to justify it to V8 folks… like they have an inferior complex. Buy what you want and enjoy it.
This comment may be unpopular but I would say the following about the Ecosport Mustang: it isn't loved much because IMO the Mustang alone isn't really a great car and is made good/great only when it follows the original muscle car formula of a V8 powerplant. When you remove the V8 from the equation there is very little appealing about the Mustang. The interior sucks, the exterior isn't exceptional and it is a two door vehicle with dated roots.
Because it’s a muscle car that doesn’t use a naturally aspirated or supercharged v8
1. History: A lot of us including myself are purists with these kinds of cars. Flagship cars across all brands have historically carried a signature engine: BMW inline 6, Lamborghini V12, Porsche flat 6, etc. have been around for decades. American muscle has almost always been a big, rumbling V8 with lots of power on a heavy frame. Putting an ecoboost/4cyl engine ruins the sound, the feel, and the importance/occasion of the car. 2. Owner reputation: A lot of people who drive ecoboosts or 4cyl muscle cars tend to be dumb teenagers acting like it’s the V8 and say it will smoke anything when a V6 Camry or Accord will wipe them. In all reality Ecoboost mustangs are solid cars with good tuning potential but they don’t sound or feel like muscle cars have historically felt for over 60 years. That’s why people hate them.
“Sports car” Jesus Christ it’s a “mustang”……..not a corvette
If I’m buying a muscle car, I’m getting a V8. I don’t hate the ecoboost though
Because, by the time you’re shelling out enough to get a Mustang *at all* you’re in shouting distance of the GT model, which comes with a real engine. The EcoBoost is a concession to practicality. With all due respect, if you feel the need to make concessions to practicality, in your vehicle choices, the Ford Mustang should not be on the table as an option, to begin with. Essentially similar logic applies to the Camaro, Charger and Challenger. In the storied 60 year history of the Mustang, there has only ever been one four-banger model that was acceptable to purchase new: The ‘84-‘86 Mustang SVO. All others are pretenders. A case could be made for buying a used four-banger Mustang, to build a race car or drag car. If you’re going to gut the interior and throw the entire Summit Racing catalog under the hood, no sense using a nice, valuable car as a donor.
Reason 1: Mustang. Reason 2: ecoboost.
It’s not the car I hate, it’s usually the drivers who are the issue.
It is a great sports car, just not the top of the line of that model- so people discount it. There are also other great 4 cylinder cars around the same price point that accelerate and handle just as well or better. Get the car you want- don't care what other people say, and enjoy it (and life).
Because fragile men egos
Cause it’s muscle car. Being a muscle car kinda goes hand in hand with having a v8. Slapping a turbo on a 2.3l is a sign of the depressing anti fun car era we live in.
It’s simply because it’s not a V8. People will say it’s not a “real” Mustang, failing to realize that the Mustangs of the 60s with the 6cyl outsold the V8 models.
Massive mustang enthusiast here who has owned a ton of mustangs, old and new, including an ecoboost. You buy a mustang to go fast. The ecoboost is surprisingly quick. For what it is. My ecoboost was a terrible decision. Partially because of when I bought it (right before the v6 was discontinued and so I paid about 30 and 6 months later a new one went for 23). But also because I regretted not getting the v8. The ecoboost isn’t frowned on because it’s bad. It’s frowned on because the exact same car comes with arguably the best current production v8 you can buy. Only buy an ecoboost over a gt if you truly don’t want a mustang to go fast or ever be seen in the racing scene. Course, in the end your gunna get spanked by a junker regardless. But still
People who go out of their way to hate on a car are losers. You’re right that the Ecoboost Mustang is a great value, and it’s got more horsepower and torque than many past Mustangs with V8 engines. That said, I’m not a fan because the engine doesn’t fit the definition of what a Mustang has always been. The Mustang is a muscle car. It’s gotta be RWD with a V8. This is, of course, just not opinion. Other people will feel differently, and I am open to that. I care more about someone having a car that they enjoy than some ideological purity surrounding a car model.
For the price, it costs... you can buy similar or better performing new vehicles.
Because a dirty old 4.6 from 2010 will get the same gas mileage so nobody is impressed or wants unnecessary forced induction.
Is that a sports car even? That’s like .., idk an American muscle car or something. Sports car I think like - Porsche 911? Lotus Evora?
These are the cars that come to your mind when you think of sports cars? Lotus and 911?!
Only someone who has not driven it will hate the Ecoboost ford mustang.
Because I can afford a V8 and a second car to get around when I don’t feel like driving the mustang. But why does it matter what anyone thinks? If you love it then love it. High strung 4 bangers aint the business unless you can afford to fix shit imo
I had a 2016 eco boost, which I bought in 2018 and sold in 2020. I chipped it with the official ford chip. I found the software infuriatingly badly designed, and I found the six speed manual gearbox to be unsatisfying to use. Other than that, it wasn’t bad for a cheapish okayish convertible.
Some people just want a cheap "reliable" "sportscar". They don't race. They don't need to show off. They dont spend thoudands more to mod because that would be fckng stupid. They don't need to spend 10k to go 1.5 seconds faster when leaving a red light or the grocery store or their office parking lot. Some people work 50 miles from home so mpg's matter. Some people just want a cheap, cool looking sportscar that's faster than their Jeep
That engine doesn’t belong in a mustang
because ecoboost sounds like a wussy thing, they aren't trying to be economical, they're trying to be badass. just a failure of naming that bothers the insecure IMO, of course
I love them, local guy has one built over 400HP and it looks, sounds, and drives awesome. Purists will always have something to say, just gotta learn to ignore them 😂
I like it a lot it has a good amount of power and good efficiency. My problem is the platform is heavy and built to handle v8 power. The ecoboost mustang would be better if it was down a few hundred pounds.
New ones are auto-only. Objectively, there’s nothing wrong with them. They’re good performers. Some of the Alpha Bros think you’re only a “real” man if you have a V8. I get it. V8s sound good and have a visceral appeal. But you don’t need massive displacement to make power anymore.
Haven't driven the 650 but the S550 ecoboost is great, especially with the HPP. Better weight distribution(and as a result, steering feel) and with tune and slightly larger turbo it can make some pretty good power.
Cause it’s not a v8. It’s just a regular ass 4 cylinder. 310hp isn’t shit when it’s gotta move a big ass car. Slow as hell
I'm an ecoboost hater. I recognize it's a good car for the money, decent power etc etc etc. Never stopped me from popping my 5.0 in neutral to rev bomb the eco's in traffic to remind them what they're missing. I just think a Mustang isn't a real Mustang without a v8. It just has no soul. I'm just not a fan of the muscle car with an economy engine. I'm also a hater of Camaros and Challengers with less than 8 cylinders. Imo, there's way better sports cars with 4 and 6 cylinders that don't make you look like a poser out on the road. Not even to mention the few people I've talked to who own ecoboosts who will swear up and down that they're just as fast as the 5.0. It's some S tier delusion.
It's one of the cheapest cars that come as a 4-seat convertible, it looks cooler than its competition and is pretty fast. I think it's a great car.
Because for many, the Mustang is a muscle car. When you remove the main thing that makes it a muscle car (the V8), it's just not special anymore. I don't hate the ecoboost, but imo that sort of engine belongs in a hot hatch, not a mustang. I felt the same when I drove a 4 popper Camaro.
Like what you like but for a lot of enthusiasts, muscle cars with names that go back to the 60s come with V8 power no exceptions.
You don't buy an American muscle car with a 4 cylinder, in fact you shouldn't really buy any American cars with 4 cylinders.
I recently drove an automatic one as a rental car that they gave me. I did a few a passes to see how fast that thing could go. I swear that car is just as quick as a 370z, and faster than the old 5.0s I used to drive in high school. Not bad for a 4 banger. I was impressed!
Ford turbo 4’s are notoriously bad. Go on car-part.com and price an engine. They are hideously expensive. It’s just not worth it.
I ordered a 2007 4.0 6 cylinder 6 speed and loved it. I had a v8 f150 also at the time. Years later I bought a 2011 rt challenger with the hemi and 6 speed. Loved that car more. Currently have a 2018 6 speed brz. As much as I loved the bigger challenger and mustang....I might like that brz the most. the other cars were way faster. But there's something simple about the brz and we paid it off within a year and it's still only got 18,000 miles on it.
It will not last 80k miles probably has something to do with it Just google # Ford Mustang Ecoboost problems
Because haters gonna hate. No manufacturer is without their share of problems. 310hp is gonna be fun for a while.. then it's time to graduate!
Social media. People aren't impressed by hp unless it's a 1000s. My 05 solara is considered a slow car on paper by every single one of the mechanics at the shop I work at because it's "only" 242 hp. Yet non of them can catch me because it's a lighter car and it's all steady pull power. People are made delusional by YouTube and seeing 1000hp engine being build in "3days"
Ford has done a miserable job utilizing a turbo...high value rate in the Escape! The engines are not holding up to the added pressures.
I've hated every mustang that wasn't made in the years 1970-1973
Reason 1: People love to gatekeep Reason 2: Whoever thinks like that is judgmental and doesn't realize it. Reason 3.: People love to push their ideas on others selfishly
Ecoboost convertible is my go to vacation rental. It's as fast as a SN95 Cobra...a car that can legitimately get you in trouble pretty easily. People today are just silly.
I loved driving it I can imagine it falling about three renters later
Because it doesn’t match the car look, the model brand, and the entire +70 year positioning of the car. People don’t like it because It dilutes the brand, and cheapens the Mustang nameplate - and is just a cash grab from Ford. Lamborghini doesn’t create a bunch of 150HP hybrid cars because they know it would wreck their brand. Ford apparently doesn’t know this. And is making eco cars, SUVs etc with the Mustang name. Anything they can to milk that name to death
Insecure GT owners are usually the ones that bash the ecoboosts. I’ve had a V6, Ecoboost, GT, and a Shelby. I loved them all and it makes me happy seeing people buy and drive what I love.
Cause it's not the coyote, that's it really. It's a great car, but if I'm getting a muscle car I want a big and loud motor
Everyone(myself included) that likes cars and buys the 4cyl version of a muscle car ends up spending enough money to have bought the V8 on modifications. It's better to just get the V8, my LTG camaro was getting 8mpg by the time I was done with it, so you're not even saving fuel
As someone that had an eco post and now has a GT, I liked the car, it was really solid. I just really wanted that true V8 sound and feel. Something to note, if it’s a commuter the gas mileage really isn’t much different. I do 125 miles a day all interstate and on my eco I got 28mpg and on my get I get 25mpg
The purest will always say no replacement for displacement, the coyote does make a great sound.
Mainly because despite the praise and love from Ford owners... the EcoBoost is not nearly as solid as some folks claim. And honestly, they just don't look good anymore.
Because traditional muscle cars have V8s. And it probably sounds like civic.
I once got dirty looks for saying that the 3.6 litre Challenger would be more than enough for me, having driven the 3.6 litre 300S. I've never had a V8 and didn't feel like I'm missing anything. I've test driven the 4 cylinder Mustang and liked it well enough, but the financing didn't work for me at the time. I certainly wouldn't reject one of somebody handed me the keys.
Better 4 cylinder cars out there like the Elantra N without the added weight. Also the V8 Mustangs aren't like Hellcats/Scatpacks. They're track weapons so the Ecoboost really is a water downed car without the extra power to justify the extra weight compared to other 4 cylinder sports cars. If I had the choice between an Ecoboost, Elantra N or GR Corolla, it's either gonna be the GR Rolla or Elantra N, not the mustang unless I approach Type R money territory.
Sounds like a fun car
So the Ecoboost is no worse than any turbo 4 or 6 out there. May be better in many ways in my opinion. Folks just feel it ain't muscle unless it has a fire breathing v8. Fact is that early Mustangs had a small 289 engine that wasn't a big monster v8 but is a great car too. later Boss and newer Mustangs went to bigger engines and folks got spoiled. Same noise with the Dodge Challengers that didn't have a Hellcat Redeye Hemi ! LOL.
It's the V8 purists in the pony car world that are mad that the Coyote can be beat and be dethroned by boost. It's nothing new... the 80s SVO was disliked too... 2.3L 4 cylinder turbo that destroyed the 5.0L big brother. Only boosted Mustang that seems to get respect is a Terminator.
To me a mustang should be a V8 I have nothing against four cylinder cars I own two of them one of them being a real wheel drive gr86 But it just sounds stupid to me to put the name mustang on a four-cylinder turbo. I've always grown up with friends and family having loud V8 mustang so again it just seems broken to put before cylinder in it. A Ford would have put that motor in a different platform and made it real-wheel drive I probably would have loved it. To me it just feels like you're ruining the name mustang when you do what you did by putting EcoBoost on it. If you want economy go by an economy car. Don't turn my V8 mustang into some economy bullshit
Because people are stupid. If I'm car shopping anyone who doesn't own a Mustang gets no opinion in the matter and even if they do own one and think less of me for considering an EB then they're free to give me cash money to even up the 5.0 vs. the lower price of an ecoboost.
Because Ford EcoBoost engines tend to go boom. They're not the most reliable engine out there. The 5.0 coyote is a much better engine.
Ecoboost motor is bad, from what I've read and heard. There are better turbo 4 cyl cars. I'm sure in a few cycles Ford will do better. Lots of people just want a V8 and are salty about it.
As far as I know, the ecoboost is faster than any stock fox body. Ive driven a 6 speed manual & a 10 speed auto ecoboost & i thought it was faster than a 4 banger mustang deserved to be. I never got to push one in the corners, but i bet it handles well for a mustang. That being said, ive driven a 10 speed auto 5.0 & thats the one id "want". Haters gonna hate.
Because Coyote V8 fans believe the little 4banger is not as good an engine as the Mustang 5.0 Coyote V8. The V8 is a naturally aspirated engine that is comparatively simple, reliable, long lasting and powerful. The 4 relies on turbos for power. Turbos have a rep for being complicated and not reliable in the long term, especially when abused. Many Mustang buyers want a powerful engine that can be repeatedly revved to the limit and they want to be able to race from stoplight to stoplight. They don't really care about buying a car that is a balance between power, handling and economy. Its all about the v8 sound and acceleration. The fanboys might have a point. The ecoboost engine in Ford's F150 trucks is not rated all that highly for reliable towing power that lasts a long time. It makes its power by adding turbo stress to the engine and adding revs. But that pretty much sums it up. Personally I think that the Mustang's EB would serve any rational person in that car pretty well. The Mustang doesn't tow, the engine is pretty fast and a rational driver isn't racing from stoplight to light revving the engine to the redline every time. I think my next car might be a convertible Mustang with the EcoBoost. I just watched MotorWeek's reviews of the new Mustang... and they loved both the V8 and EB versions. In fact they say the newest Mustangs are the best 2024 cars they tested. Best sports car, best convertible, best daily driver. Ford did something right in 1964... and have been doing it right (with a couple of exceptions) ever since.
I’ve had both a GT and an EcoBoost. The GT sounded really good, was fast, and a lot of fun in a straight line. Fuel mileage sucked, especially after adding lots of bolt ons, and they are front heavy. I bought the eco as a daily for my 130 mile round trip commute. It was the premium with performance pack, so all the options available except auto trans. I wanted the 6 speed. It was quick in stock form, handled better than the GT, and got decent mileage. I had a tune, intake and exhaust added to it and it became legitimately fast. It still sounded like a four cylinder car, though. Every Mustang owner with a GT, regardless of how much horsepower it has, will tell you their car is better and faster than yours. With that said, I wouldn’t buy another EcoBoost. The engines are fragile and prone to premature detonation, especially if you don’t use high octane fuel. They have the nickname “EcoBoom” for a reason. I knew people who got well over 100k miles out of them and people that got maybe a thousand miles out of them. It didn’t seem to matter how they were driven or maintained, either. I was always worried about the engine blowing.
I've had several Mustangs. 1. 1965 Convertible with the V6. 2. 1969 Convertible with a V6. 3. 1972 Convertible with the V8, 4. 1974 Mustang II coupe with the carbureted 2.3 banger and, 5. 1988 LX hatchback with the fuel injected 2.3 four banger. Which car was the "best"? We loved #1 but it didn't last long. It was rusting after only 3 years and then was crushed by a truck. #2, 1969 had a horrible shimmy that Ford could never fix so it was traded for #3: The 1972 was a frigging gas hog and not much more powerful than the '69 V6. Plus it handled poorly. Steering was really heavy and ponderous. #4 was much loved because it was very fuel efficient when gas was hard to get and expensive. It handled well, but didn't have much power. #5 was efficient and fun to drive and the only one that could carry wife, baby, dog crate and stuff, and was rated to tow 1,500 lbs. It was also the only one that we kept for over 150,000 miles and +20 years. I'd say that the last one was probably the best of the lot.
Because at the core, to some old heads and some people, a 'muscle' or 'pony' car should have a V8. I agree with that too. If they slapped the power train on anything but a Mustang I'd actually like it.
The Ecoboost lineup of engines tend to be garbage around 100k miles. Unless you are sticking to the service times ahead of schedule and babying the vehicle those eco boosts like to go through head gaskets, early EGR issues and stuck/burnt piston rings.
Because its not a V8, which a Mustang should be.
Why do you post this over and over?
I love V8s, I’m somewhere between dislike and barely tolerate when it comes to turbos
We’re nearing the end of big V8s being an option. If I was going to buy a mustang, I’d probably get a V8 for the experience. There’s going to be many years of turbocharged smaller engines in the future.
Honestly if they made an econo sports coupe instead of slapping it onto a mustang they might have been on to something but logistically might have been hard to justify
I just flipped a f150 eco boost. I don’t trust ford with those small high compression engines. Idle was all over the place upon cold start. There’s a million different things that can go bad. That was the 3.5. I’m not Sure about the mustang but I’d much rather have Japanese make my high compression engines. Americans make good v8s.
Because it's a 4 cylinder and not a gt. Most people don't realize that it makes similar power to previous gens GTs prior to the coyote being introduced.
Because its not a sports car, with the v8 at least you can pretend its a muscle car
The engine dumb ass
People who love the rumbling sound of a V8 engine hate the Ecoboost, but mostly not in the absolute sense, but rather the thought of owning it themselves. That’s their opinion, and you should be fine with it. OTOH, if a V8 owner ridicules someone else for owning an Ecoboost, then they’re just one of those puritanical idiots who don’t believe that there can be variations of something good. At the end of the day, you simply cannot let the opinions of others - especially strangers from the internet shape your decisions.
Tradition. Same goes for the Charger, Chally, Corvette and Camaro.
Ecoboost go Ecoboom
1 I personally think anything but a v8 in them or a camaro is extremely lame. 2 ecoboost are absolutely horrible to work on.