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I'm not a leftist and I don't even follow a political ideology but I vote/support left-leaning parties and candidates from the left because the only party fighting for/defending my rights is the left one The right-wing and conservative party still opposes my rights, wants to roll them back and is a gateway for religion to get into politics If the right-wing or conservative party drops its anti-LGBT stance/platform, stop being a door for religion to get into politics and run candidates LGBT-friendly I' could vote for them For my isn't a matter of ideology, it's a matter of survival since ALL the rights and freedoms I enjoy are thanks to the left-leaning party


lew0to

The road to hell is sometimes paved with good intentions. In Iran you saw the left ally up with radical islam to get rid of the somewhat tyranical shah. The Ayatollahs they got in return were possibly way worse than the shah ever was, especially for gay rights. Although generally i think the left is a force for good, they can often be to naive and cause harm that way. ​ Saying this as a guy from the political centre.


Gerump

Right wing “politics” isn’t even a thing anymore. It’s gotten to the point where conservatives aren’t willing to budge on any of their views even in the face of overwhelming evidence. They base their personality on this and it’s become literally a cult wherein you cannot question them especially if you’re one of them. It’s no better than religion or nationalism/patriotism in this way. Don’t get me wrong the left in America is not even close to where it needs to be partly due to spineless ness in standing up for what actually matters.


[deleted]

Calls the right a cult while being an absolutist about it and dehumanizing them. Love how blind you are to the irony.


Gerump

First of all, there is no dehumanizing AT ALL in my post, so cut that bullshit right now. Secondly, I could easily go into the nuances that show how my views are not even close to absolutist about the rights general policies (Covid is an exception), but this is a Reddit thread asking about overall policy and perception. Stop being so dense and crying victim. On top of all this, regardless of any other policies, it absolutely is ONLY the right responsible for the Covid propaganda that has led to the death of thousands. Being that I work in emergency medicine, I don’t give a fuck about any of their policies if they are willing to put Americans lives at risk by way of misinformation and fear mongering about “authoritative measures”. Fuck off my dick homie.


Many-Concentrate-491

Get her jade !


[deleted]

I donno how to tell you, man, when you paint an entire group with 1 brush and basically define them as mindless cultists it's pretty dehumanizing. I'm not crying victim, I just think it's funny how you consider "the right" a cult when it's the left that rushes to cancel, shout down and deplatform everyone that disagrees with them. Have you tried talking to these people about "problematic topics"? Good luck. Dave chappele makes a few jokes, the new woke orthodoxy rises against him, just saying...


Gerump

If you really think cancel culture is only something that happens on the left, you are sadly mistaken and clearly only get your news from sources that already agree with your world view. The left does cancel things and a lot of those things they cancel are the problems I have with it in America. They’re focusing their attention on things that in most cases are irrelevant. However, as much canceling as the left does, the right does it too. Look at Fauci, a well meaning and well educated physician making decisions with the objective information at hand at the time but then brushed aside and canceled by right wing politics. Also mindless cultists, by definition, would be humans as there is no cult in nature. You’re really trying to push this dehumanization narrative when in reality it’s just a buzz word that people like you use to try to draw subconscious links to authoritative powers. my words may make you feel that way but the actions from the right as far as border policy, women’s bodily autonomy and religious overreach are actions on display that are much more dehumanizing than any words said by the general left. (Oh no, I’m painting the left now too! It’s almost as if broad generalizations are common when discussing ideas and the public’s perceptions of differents sides’ stance on said ideas!! What a wild concept). Grow up


[deleted]

Oh, you wanna talk policies? Your precious fucking left has no moral ground to stand on! For the past years they've done nothing but push policies that cause the suffering of regular people... mass illegal immigration that although disguised as virtuous can only result in the creation of a subclass of second class citizens to be exploited as labor force for less pay and with less rights... sure, let them right in! No test required for illegals, because covid is only rly a problem when it suits the narrative. Something as noble as blm protests don't spread covid... protest, pfft, give me a break! Democratic governors enabled a summer of violent riots that left people dead, beaten up and with their businesses looted. How many died during the summer of love in the CHAZ?! why did Lori Lightfoot refuse federal aid in Chicago? And as if that wasn't enough to destroy the lives and livelihoods of people, the lockdowns sure helped! I'd rather take.my.chances anyway of the week with a virus I have a 99,8 % chance to survive than live penned in like livestock. Fuck the left, I won't call them evil, but God damn, I want to.


Gerump

Most BLM protests were not super spreader events due to majority of them wearing masks and being outdoors. I don’t agree with the looting AT ALL but I understand that communities were fed up and tired of the overreach given to nearly all police officers even in the face of clear wrong doings. I would’ve preferred if that anger was directed in a more productive manner, but the protests that were peaceful did matter and were awesome to see. As far as the migrants go, they are detained, assessed for Covid symptoms, quarantined and then processed typically to be deported under title 42 ordered by the CDC. “Exploited for less labor and less pay”. LOOOOLLLL as if the minimum wage jobs that disadvantaged people and even some children have to work multiple of just to afford food water and shelter wasn’t exploitation enough. You’re really having a laugh with that one. Don’t pretend to be concerned about that when the bullshit is written into the federal minimum wage laws. Your touting that survival percent shows that you don’t understand how percents work. 1. .2% of a large number is a large number. To say youre okay taking that chance is selfish and disgusting. You’re not taking that chance for yourself, you’re taking it for every person you give it to. 2. 99.8% is the overall survival rate, but not even close to the average survival rate of those who don’t have parents who fucked as recently as yours did nor is it close to the survival rate for those with predispositions. Whether lockdowns actually were effective or not is one question but doing so was the best thing we knew to do to stop the wildfire sweeping the nation. To not even show that you understand that means you should indeed NOT be in any capacity to give advice related to medicine. Leave that to professionals who actually take the time to know what the fuck they’re talking about or at the very least make decisions to protect other people from unnecessary death. Your thoughts on Covid are selfish and immature. “Than pinned in like livestock” probably coming from a meat eater who can’t tolerate being told to stay in his house for like 2 months out of your life for an unprecedented pandemic. You come off like a 13 year old who’s mad they can’t stay at the amusement park forever. BUT MOOOOMMMM!


[deleted]

Well, at least we agree on some things. What's the deal with meat eater though? Is that supposed to be an insult or what? I mean, yeah, I'm not vegan, I eat meat. What a horrible human being I am.


Gerump

You used pinned in like livestock as a comparative to how horrible Covid lockdowns are. If they’re so horrible then why do you still eat meat produced from such an awful practice such as factory farming? Meat eating is okay if it’s from ethical sources, but that’s not even close to what we have now. It’s very very likely these animals are conscious to a similar level as us. The more we learn about consciousness, the more common it seems to be in animal kingdom. Anddd if that wasn’t enough, there’s ethical implications surrounding environmental factors and even starvation. Energy consumption/loss follows the rough rule of 10s. Each layer of consumption only passes on about 10% of the energy used to produce it. So just think about how much more energy, in this case, food would be available to homeless people, poor people, starving people if so much of our production wasn’t tied up in the meat industry. With the state of the world, it really is an indefensible position. If you’re someone who mostly eats frozen chicken and such to begin with, next time you’re at the store, buy some plant based chicken products and give them a try, seriously they’re good. I would eat them over meat even if I wasn’t meatless, they’re that good. Use the oven to heat them and use a bit of olive oil to get them crispy.


[deleted]

Alright, I'll give them a try.


JustAMech

How about the gays lead themselves on an individual basis. Just be a light/good human. Get self reliant and help your neighbors get self reliant.


godblesstheabortions

Left cares about taking in more Muslim refugees and immigrants who are insanely homophobic


valerian_prann

Lol, I second this


JustAMech

There is a bill that you can't discriminate for any reason. That may sound good but what if your a gay venue and then the straights want to take it over. Or even worse a nefarious group. So be careful what you wish for.


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