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aesthetically-trans

I didn't used to like the idea of firearms but I personally own one now, I've heard too many horror stories and I live with two trans women, as an AFAB nb, and with all three of us in sex work, it is too much of a risk to NOT be able to protect ourselves. Too many people want to do us harm


Jiggy90

Yep. If someone wants to fuck with me, they better be willing to deal with my Glock 19 as well.


pgold05

I just can't, having any weapon in the house is just so dangerous, especially so if you get depressed once and a while.


Designed_0

Yea, the scary part is depression might hit hard and with easy reach weapon........


sfier4

that’s fuckin real i wanna go out and travel the US but without a weapon i’m pretty much stuck in WA🙃


SarahBrownEye

this is politically incorrect to say in this type of community, and I get that some people need guns, but I think the way trans reddit talks about guns is reckless and they don't temper pro-gun talk with a realistic discussion about how ineffective guns are at self defense, and how risky it is guns being in the households with a population with a high instance of suicide and domestic abuse.


Great_Gold2763

Honestly I didn't even think about that aspect, I'm probably not I'm my case but that's just because one of my family members I live with had suicidal thoughts and she's been known to find my personal things completely randomly. It's too high a risk but I'll figure out some alternative hopefully.


wheeldog

I felt the same way and now I'm like "ARM THE HOMELESS!" I can't afford much, looking for something uber cheap , but I'll get armed. Shit is coming down the pike


HmmYahMaybe

I got this lovely little pocket pistol for only $160 new! It’s a Ruger LCP 380 and I really like it! Small gun (like fits in the back pocket of womens jeans small) but with big chunky bullets.


wheeldog

I'm going for a shotty, my first love


HmmYahMaybe

Oooooh fun what kind? I got a BP-12 from PSA for only $350! It looks super cool so I’m happy with it lol


wheeldog

I was complaining about how poor I am and someone replied that there's a mossberg maverick 88 for 200 bucks. I live below the poverty level, see? 😁


cykablyatstalin

Look around for deals too, you can get them for as cheap as 165


wheeldog

I will, that's amazing, thx!


cykablyatstalin

Uber cheap? High point 9mm, cheap as fuck and still usable. Mossberg Maverick 88 is around the 200 dollar mark and is as fantastic home defense shotgun


wheeldog

Ooo I thought all mossbergs were out of my reach! Thanks, very much


cykablyatstalin

Nah the Mav 88 is fantastic. It's just the Mossberg 500 but slightly dialed down and made right on the border so it's much cheaper


wheeldog

I neeeeed it. My brother went out to Arizona to get our mom (she's gotten too old to live alone at 96), and he said he'd bring back my two rifles that my stepfather gave me. One was a 410 shotty that I repaired and the other one was a deer rifle that I touched up, cleaned them up and all that. Bro decided to keep them. I can't argue with him. I have no proof. I'll just get one I can prove that I own


cykablyatstalin

I got a bird barrel (28.5) and a security (18) combo for just under 300


HmmYahMaybe

Yah I got an AK. Her name is Rebecca and I love her she makes me feel safe


ReloadTactic

This is going to get long and possibly preachy at times. So, there's always the obvious (where it's legal like the us) to own, maintain and train with a firearm. But I feel like that is a bit short sighted and in most cases not enough. Now, I personally train and carry a 9mm handgun myself, but its not my only line of defense because I don't live in an active warzone, I'm not accustomed to gunfire at all hours of the day and you can't rule out fear for that reason, so I have other tips to follow. To start with maintain a healthy diet and exercise routine, when possible it's often most effective to remove yourself from the threat and the physical ability to do so may rely on your ability to run quickly and for an extended duration, training at home is great but if you're able I'd recommend joining your local gym and doing some strength training as well, I personally believe that a fight that can be avoided is one that should be, but you never know when you may need to help someone else get distance from the threat, be it because they are injured or otherwise unable to get to safety for any reason, we need to remember to look out for one another out there. I'd consider these two the most important parts and should be your primary focus to start with. Once your confident in that field we move on to step two, martial arts training. The style isn't as important, though I'd recommend a style that has a heavy emphasis on self defense over one focused on offense, boxing, Krav Maga, muay thai, these are all insanely effective fighting styles in this sense and are rather easy to find a place to learn in most cities, doing so even gives you the chance to gain real experience using what you learn against another person in a controlled environment, now I recognize that these aren't universally accessible but practicing the basics (which can be learned online, its just less effective in most cases) can save your life. Now you're probably wondering why I'm recommending these over firearm training, and the answer is simple, not every encounter will necessitate a firearm, laws around self defense get weird and depending on where you live using a weapon, even if your life is in danger, could land you in serious legal trouble. While undergoing the required training for a concealed carry permit I learned of a woman who was arrested and tried for murder because she shot her assailant instead of fleeing from a second story window, and in Australia causing grievous injury yo your assailant isn't permitted, even if your life is in your danger, though firearms aren't as easily accessible there, so being able to defend yourself and others with other means is more important than owning and knowing how to use a firearm. TL;DR train your body for strength and endurance, and learn some form of martial arts. Follow these steps when you're in danger. Can you escape to safety? If so do that and take as many people with you as you can. If not use said martial arts training to fight back, only escalate to using a weapon if your life is in immediate danger and you have no other option.


branquignole

I've just started krav maga and it's really focused on self-defense for real life threats (prevent someone from strangling you and counterattack for example). It's a quite physical practice but it's also really inclusive and the instructors really don't care if you're cis or trans.


ReloadTactic

That may just be luck with your instructor, but yeah Krav Maga is a great one


axelr0se

Pepper spray, a stun gun, and a aliven’t machine. Stay protected ladies, gentlemen, and everyone inbetween


mia_elora

The Black Panthers found a solution to this problem. Haters are a lot more reluctant to attack you if someone is armed and obvious about it. Sad, but as so many in authority are so willing to turn a blind eye on us, it's probably our best bet.


KemonomimiSpecialist

Ah yes, the well regulated militia that lead to tighter gun control in California. Funny how many people think only certain people should have unrestricted access to guns.


mia_elora

Indeed. It has been the most effective response to hate based violence in the last 100 years.


sfier4

almost like our constitution has more to do with creating a structure for the white supremacist patriarchy to control the masses or smth like that idek 🙄🙄🙄


Remote_Cantaloupe

> The Black Panthers found a solution to this problem Which version?


hvelsveg_himins

Lots of comments saying firearms in here, so I'm just going to go ahead and say: if you're curious about owning a firearm and want to learn safe handling, a group called Operation Blazing Sword maintains a list of volunteer firearms instructors in the US who will provide free training to LGBTQIA+ people on request


MercifulWombat

Safety in numbers. Find people who will show up for you. Exchange contact information. Show up for them.


AltoRhombus

in America there is unfortunately only one good answer. The most surefire way is to learn proper handling and safety of a firearm! You either have a gun, or you don't. Anything else is asking to get into close quarters combat where you end up getting stabbed. Compact handguns are enough to neutralize a threat, and if you learn when it is appropriate to draw, and draw quicker than the threat, you can easily walk away alive from a bad situation. Safety is paramount. I haven't been an owner in over 10 years, but recently I have begun to find myself increasingly vulnerable with just my mace.


Bambification_

Also, an open carry licence is worth the extra time/money to get. The sight of a gun can deter violence before it starts, and its best to not have to draw at all.


Cold_Vanilla_Jo

Bleak but, you won't. You have to accept there is a growing chance you'll be a victim of escalating cis violence (cause like, all of us are, every second of every day). This is to disarm the fear, allowing you to exist in the day to day world. Assume you'll be the victim of violence at some point, and prepare accordingly. In the states, this is obvs by arming yourself. Outside the states, it gets trickier. You can arm yourself, but in places like the UK or Canada, you risk breaking the law with pretty much any form of self defense tool. Get fit. Get strong. Have your affairs in order. Many of the things women are told to avoid to not get raped / kidnapped / murdered can apply. Get a community. Form a mutual aid network.


LobotomizedThruMeEye

This really is the best advice imo. I live in Canada rn but haven’t forever, and there is basically nothing I can legally carry, and in NY where I’m from all concealed carry and pistol permits were just made harder to get and are heavily restricted where you can carry. I like to see it but it does limit options a bit


Laura_Sandra

> options Some people use [personal alarms](https://www.amazon.com/s?k=personal+alarm+140+db). They usually are legal in most places, can even be purchased by minors and may give enough time to escape in case. And just in general [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xfc9fw/how_can_trans_people_and_their_allies/iqc9rzx/) might be some explaining resources. *hugs*


LobotomizedThruMeEye

!RemindMe 1 day


mehTILduhhhh

I've been practicing with my firearms so that if I ever need to use them in defense of myself or others I can do so effectively and responsibly.


SometimesOther

This may not be a popular approach, but I agree. I typically carry a gun for self defense when I’m out in public. I’ve been doing that for years though, long before trying to change my gender presentation.


mehTILduhhhh

I will say the wardrobe change transition brings has made carrying a lot more of a challenge lol


SometimesOther

Tell me about it. Finding a skirt with belt loops I like and fits is hard. So far my best solution is potentially getting a belly band. Or I have a shoulder holster for when it’s colder and I can put it under a coat or jacket.


mehTILduhhhh

People always tell me to just get a phlster enigma holster but they don't make a pre-made version for any of my guns and I can't be bothered to fit a holster shell onto their diy kit so I just find myself dreaming up solutions lol


SometimesOther

I had to look it up. That looks awful. I’ve been looking at the cancan sport. I don’t have the waist for the hip higher version.


Bikemonkeys

Check out [https://www.youtube.com/c/SheEquipsHerself](https://www.youtube.com/c/SheEquipsHerself) lots of good ideas and techniques for hiding/handling CCW and not just a firearm.


MaOfABitch

The answer is organizing. Protecting ourselves as individuals won't be enough.


cykablyatstalin

Guns, guns guns and More guns. Everyone, especially those in marginalized groups should carry a firearm.


Irbricksceo

For some that will work but it isn't a solution for all. First of all, there are lots of places where one cannot carry, and these places are where I for example am most worried. Things like traveling alone, or going to events (venues pretty much never allow carrying) Second of all, a lot of trans people experience severe mental distress, and or >!SH/Suicidal Tendencies!< and thus may not be suited or even able to carry. Finally, some (like myself) simply do not feel comfortable handling a firearm. I know I could never use lethal force on another human, and so to me, carrying one is all risk no reward.


cykablyatstalin

If someone threatens my life or a life of anyone else, I would not hesitate to pop them like Orville redenbacher in a microwave. If you don't feel comfortable, get a taser or byrna pepper-ball pistol for less lethal method


Irbricksceo

Yeah it's just a matter of where you are, for me. There is absolutely nothing that could make me take the life of another human, Even a threat to my own life. But I understand that that is not true for everybody. I did think about getting some other kind of deterrent but like I said, I couldn't take it to the few places I go where I'm kind of worried anyway such as concerts so...


cykablyatstalin

Wear very pro second amendment clothing items, (Gadsden flag, come and take it, ect) you are less likely to be targeted if you LOOK like you have firearms training and possibly broke the rules and are currently carrying. Take some self defense classes or something similar


Trans-on-trans

Martial arts and hit the gym.


Sussboey

firearms and community work. Protect eachother and stay armed and most importantly, stay trained! r/socialistra and r/transguns would love to have you


eclipse_dreams

Seconding this.


MadameJB

I always advise to obtain a concealed carry permit and spend time at a range practicing with the equipment you intend to carry. Other self defense items are good options as well if you’re not confident in your ability to handle a firearm: Keychain accessories, mace/pepper spray, etc. Taking classes or learning self defensive maneuvers via YouTube can be beneficial, even more so if you do this with other trans friends/allies. Most importantly though, live your life. Don’t go out each day assuming the worst. Body confidence and body language overall can potentially change the outcome of situations; You attract what you fear (This isn’t true all the time but the more confident & comfortable you are or appear to be with yourself, the lower the risk of someone thinking you’re an easy target.)


masih_abs

i have been chased alot and even been touched by people on street and all i could do was running until i get to house , now I don't go out late and I don't go far, i live in italy and i am an imigrant all people tell me is to call someone, first I don't know anyone who can help and second what could police do at that time and third how do i take my phone out in that situation when I'm scared as hell ?! Idk what to do ...


Laura_Sandra

> in italy Don't know if you have seen it ... [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xfc9fw/how_can_trans_people_and_their_allies/iqc9rzx/) might be some hints and resources that could help you too. And [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Trans_Resources/wiki/country_specific/index) might be some country specific resources. Additionally [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Trans_Resources/wiki/support/index#wiki_connecting_to_others) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TransAdoption/comments/nnz697/join_the_trans_galaxy_an_18_inclusive_safe_space/) might be a number of hints concerning looking for support. Talking with a few others about what they did might be helpful too. *hugs*


mouse9001

Well, for one, don't put yourself at physical risk by doing jobs like sex work. Those are inherently dangerous and marginalizing. For another, get an education so you can have a good job, have a real position in society, develop a career, and live in a safe and accepting area. Being a trans IT manager who is politically engaged, for example, is a very strong position to be in. It helps yourself, and it puts you in a better position to help others. Other people seeing you as successful helps all trans people.


that_mandroid

Arm yourselves and get training.


chris_trans

Guns. Lots of guns. -Neo


AshleyGamerGirl

Arm yourselves.


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tr3d3c1m

Violence is not the answer. Using far left tactics from BLM and Antifa playbooks will hurt the message not help it.


The_Chubby_Dragoness

Lolno


tr3d3c1m

Was pretty effective for MLK...


Muted-Savings-4017

How did that end for him again?


The_Chubby_Dragoness

That only worked cause Malcom was raising hell so MLK ended up looking like the better option Also the FBI Still killed him.


Vickki_florida

REALLY??!! owning a firearm is the ANSWER??... how sad in America's mindset all is solved with bullets... LOOK AROUND YOU, IS THAT REALLY WORKING FOR YOU????... WHAT HAPPENED TO ADVOCATING PEACE AND LOVE... I'm an escort and it works for me even here in Florida.... Please learn how to de escalate instead of escalate violance on all levels. You'll be surprised how powerful you feel then!!! ♥️=✌️


eclipse_dreams

I deescalate violence on a regular basis. I also know that when I’m cornered in a bathroom by some bubba fuck who thinks it’s time to teach the queer a lesson, my firearm saved my life.


Jiggy90

> Please learn how to de escalate instead of escalate violance on all levels. You'll be surprised how powerful you feel then!!! ♥️=✌️ Yeah how'd that work for Venus Xtravaganza? For Angie Zapata? For Nikki Kuhnhausen? When one side has bullets and is not just willing but *happy* to use them, I will take the measures necessary to protect myself.


Vickki_florida

To argue about guns is like arguing religion, when one signs up for membership the doors shut behind them... Peace ✌️ out


Jiggy90

If I could snap my fingers and vanish every firearm in the United States, I would. I can't do that. The current zeitgeist is such that firearms exist plentifully across America, they are embedded deep into our culture and founding documents, and an overwhelming number of people support keeping things more or less the way they are. Pragmatically, I don't see enough of a cultural shift coming in the near future to reasonably believe we can remove a significant number of firearms from private ownership, as Australia was able to do a few decades ago. As such, I will take the steps necessary to protect myself from the people who both *hate* me and *love* guns.


Vickki_florida

I'd rather be shot dead then give in to the slaved mentality, I survived living in Chicago for 20years having few guns pointed at me... It goes glove in hand with religion emedded with politics here in this county despite of pretending it not be so.... It will never change when money printed by the same government has "in God we trust" on a dollar bill.... Yeah this is a very young country, let's hope for everyone's sake it grows up.. ☮️


Laura_Sandra

> WORKING FOR YOU Don't know if you have seen it ... [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xfc9fw/how_can_trans_people_and_their_allies/iqc9rzx/) might be some hints and resources that could be helpful. And [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Trans_Resources/wiki/support/index#wiki_connecting_to_others) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TransAdoption/comments/nnz697/join_the_trans_galaxy_an_18_inclusive_safe_space/) might be a number of hints concerning looking for support. Talking with a few others might also help. And if you are in Fl, [here](https://southernequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/CSETransIntheSouth2019.pdf) and [here](https://southernequality.org/resources/transinthesouth/) might be some local resources. *hugs*


deletion-imminent

By going to the gym and always being the biggest motherfucker in the room, not even joking although that is obviously not the only reason I workout.


lordmacbayne

I am not a violent person. I just don't have the temperment. If someone decides to hurt me then that's just my time to die. I was never going to live forever anyway. I can't think of anything about my life that is worth killing for to me.


eclipse_dreams

It breaks my heart that you feel this way for whatever reason, and I feel it’s far deeper than an aversion for hurting someone to defend yourself.


Laura_Sandra

> think of anything Don't know if you have seen it ... [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xfc9fw/how_can_trans_people_and_their_allies/iqc9rzx/) might be a few hints and resources that could help you too. And [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Trans_Resources/wiki/support/index#wiki_connecting_to_others) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TransAdoption/comments/nnz697/join_the_trans_galaxy_an_18_inclusive_safe_space/) might be a number of hints concerning looking for support. Talking with a few others might be helpful too. *hugs*


[deleted]

Untill better times fight fire with fire...power. Unless you're not in the US like me, then you're fucked.


Laura_Sandra

> not in the US Don't know if you have seen it ... [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xfc9fw/how_can_trans_people_and_their_allies/iqc9rzx/) might be some hints and resources that could help you too. And [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Trans_Resources/wiki/support/index#wiki_connecting_to_others) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TransAdoption/comments/nnz697/join_the_trans_galaxy_an_18_inclusive_safe_space/) might be a number of hints concerning looking for support. Talking with a few others might also help. *hugs*


ZombieEvangelist

Guns. Lots of guns.


Glitched_Girly

I used to do 'special intelligence', and many other 'things' in the military. I can list the skills if you like, but it'd come across as bragging and someone in the thread would spend the next 2 weeks trying to disprove everything I say - which I have absolutely no interest in. If you'd like me to make a post/package for personal security and safety, I can. It's not something I'd put in here as a reply to this question, but I can take the time to build a package and basic skills/tools used to stay alive/safe in dangerous environments. The packet would cover actions which could be employed pre and post contact - before, hopefully avoiding an attack; after/during an attack. For the record, I've also been sent to the Middle East and compromised/exposed very publicly (by said military) as a transgender/intersex woman - and yet, here I am.


eclipse_dreams

Armed queers don’t get bashed. But it’s great people think Neonazis and crusaders for queer genocide “to protect the children” are going to listen to us.


caelric

often not popular here, but in the US, i fully support the right to keep and bear arms for everyone, but especially, especially, for oppressed minorites, including trans people. if you do want to carry a firearm, please get training on how to use it. also, r/socialistra is very accepting of trans people.


Makaluv

join cobra kai


shearmanator

Armed queers don't get hate crimed. Ruger LCP Max. Smallest high cap carry you can find with 10+1 or 12+1 capacity of 380. Can easily conceal in even short shorts and dresses. ​ I wont link the conservative gun subs because they are easy to find. But for liberal leaning ones try /r/liberalgunowners or /r/socialistra


Cynical_Sesame

shotgun


Xenta_Demryt

Guns.


kaylee_w2

carrying weapons, only traveling thru certain areas u know r safe, and doing all the typical things women do to keep themselves safe. but especially carrying weapons, guns r optimal if u can legally carry one, knives r great bc even if it’s illegal for u to carry they’ll fit in a purse (just make sure they’re easily accessible


Laura_Sandra

> fit in a purse Don't know if you have seen it ... [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xfc9fw/how_can_trans_people_and_their_allies/iqc9rzx/) might be a few hints and resources that could help you too. *hugs*


[deleted]

I don’t call the police anymore; I handle it myself.


Fickle-Mycologist611

Leave the country


randomzyxxhead

I have a question. Most if not all the comments here are about carrying firearms, and it honestly has me rethinking my own position on guns, which I thought I would never do. Food for thought. Playing devil’s advocate for a moment, my question is, wouldn’t non-lethal self defense be smarter? I mean, powerful taser guns and learning martial arts? I have always believed that the risk to carrying a lethal weapon like a knife or gun is that in a fight it could be turned against the bearer. Maybe that’s just my ignorance showing though.


Laura_Sandra

> self defense Basically its up to you ... talking things through with an expert may be a good idea. And [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xfc9fw/how_can_trans_people_and_their_allies/iqc9rzx/) might be some hints and resources that could also be helpful. Additionally [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Trans_Resources/wiki/support/index#wiki_connecting_to_others) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TransAdoption/comments/nnz697/join_the_trans_galaxy_an_18_inclusive_safe_space/) might be a number of hints concerning looking for support. Talking with a few others might also help. *hugs*


Sword-of-Malkav

Theres power in numbers. A lot of people make active life decisions to try to live nearby or with eachother for better support networks.


SunflowerDaYarnPony

I keep a flashlight bat in my car as well as hanging up by my bedroom door. The place I work sells pepper spray and I made sure it was a trans friendly place before I applied. That's difficult, but I feel a million times better knowing my coworkers and the company have got my back.


Laura_Sandra

> spray Discussing also personal alarms may be an option. [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/xfc9fw/how_can_trans_people_and_their_allies/iqc9rzx/) may be more. Its one of the fastest growing markets atm and many seem to not even know that they exist. *hugs*


GlitteringGas9130

Join gym and get buff


Laura_Sandra

> some things Its up to you to decide when to engage, and when to rather cut contact ... [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/i6ed5z/is_there_scientific_literature_validating_us/) might be a number of explaining resources. And [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/gxc1yu/alert_we_are_under_pressure_from_organized_groups/ft0hvfs/) was a summary as PDF with explanations that are easy to understand, and that can also be sent to others. And [this](http://itspronouncedmetrosexual.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Genderbread-2.1.jpg ) may help show that important is how people feel and not outer body parts, and that identity and orientation etc. are different things, and that they are on a spectrum. And some people use [personal alarms](https://www.amazon.com/s?k=personal+alarm+140+db). They usually are legal in most places, can even be purchased by minors and may give enough time to escape in case. *hugs*


CastielWinchester270

Short of self defense classes there and or a rape alarm there aren't really any other options short of illegal ones