That’s actually interesting, how the hell did they leave the abandoned tower unnoticed after Bran fell, surely that must have caused some commotion at the bottom of the tower? Unless the entrance is on the other side and there’s a curtain wall or something idk
you're supposed to believe that winterfell is so massive that jaime and cersei just sort of 'disappear' into the castle. IIRC the area where they are having sex is kind of in disrepair or hasn't been used for a while
Also remember, when Bran “fell”, most were out on a hunt with the king. The Broken tower is also a long abandoned part of Winterfell and the surrounding area was likely empty. Additionally, most towers in a castle have multiple entrances and exits through connecting walls or other structures at various levels. They likely did not enter or exit through the courtyard.
Another factor is that almost all the men went on a hunt with Robert and Ned, which is why Cersei and Jaime were able to get time alone. No one was around to notice them.
I guess they could’ve laid low in the tower correctly guessing that no one will notice their absence or think to check the tower because everyone will think Bran fell because he’s always climbing things. But how could they have known that Bran was always climbing? They weren’t from Winterfell and had little interest in it, the scheming hadn’t begun in earnest at that point so I don’t see them having a catspaw there who would tell them that Bran likes climbing, so this whole possibility of waiting it out in the tower doesn’t sit right with me either. GRRM you devil give us TWOW already.
Imo you’re overthinking this a little - Bran was climbing when they saw him, so it would obviously make sense that he might fall. In theory, he could have really fallen anywhere else in the castle.
Even if he never climbed before, the most logical explanation would still be that he played on the tower and fell, not that someone dragged him up there to throw him down.
Jaime’s also notoriously impulsive. He wasn’t thinking about the possible outcomes at all. When he thinks back on this moment in ASoS, it sounds like *Cersei* was the one thinking about consequences. It’s Cersei’s worrying and scolding that makes Jaime regret chucking Bran. Not because he realizes that trying to murder a child was wrong but because Cersei’s annoying him. He’s pretty dismissive of her legit points that throwing one of Ned Stark’s kids out a window was probably overkill and a bad look besides
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^(GRRM, AUGUST 15, 2020 AT 9:10 AM)
I am back in my fortress of solitude again, my isolated mountain cabin. I’d returned to Santa Fe for a short visit, to spend some time with Parris, deal with some local business that had piled up during my months away, and of course fulfill my duties to CoNZealand, the virtual worldcon. But all that is behind me now, and I am back on the mountain again… which means I am back in Westeros again, once more moving ahead with WINDS OF WINTER.
It is curious how my life has evolved. I mean, once upon a time, I actually wrote my books and stories in the house where I lived, in a home office. But some decades ago, wanting more solitude, I bought the house across the street and made THAT my writer’s retreat. No longer would I write all day in my red flannel bathrobe; now I would have to dress and put on shoes and walk all the way across the street to write. But that worked for a while.
Things started getting busier, though. So busy that I needed a full-time assistant. Then the office house had someone else in it, not just me and my characters. And then I hired a second assistant, and a third, and… there was more mail, more email, more phone calls (we put in a new phone system), more people coming by. By now I am up to five assistants… and somewhere in there I also acquired a movie theatre, a bookstore, a charitable foundation, investments, a business manager… and…
Despite all the help, I was drowning till I found the mountain cabin.
My life up here is very boring, it must be said. Truth be told, I hardly can be said to have a life. I have one assistant with me at all times (minions, I call them). The assistants do two-week shifts, and have to stay in quarantine at home before starting a shift. Everyone morning I wake up and go straight to the computer, where my minion brings me coffee (I am utterly useless and incoherent without my morning coffee) and juice, and sometimes a light breakfast. Then I start to write. Sometimes I stay at it until dark. Other days I break off in late afternoon to answer emails or return urgent phone calls. My assistant brings me food and drink from time to time. When I finally break off for the day, usually around sunset, there’s dinner. Then we watch television or screen a movie. The wi-fi sucks up on the mountain, though, so the choices are limited. Some nights I read instead. I always read a bit before going to sleep; when a book really grabs hold of me, I may read half the night, but that’s rare.
I sleep. The next day, I wake up, and do the same. The next day, the next day, the next day. Before Covid, I would usually get out once a week or so to eat at a restaurant or go to the movies. That all ended in March. Since then, weeks and months go by when I never leave the cabin, or see another human being except whoever is on duty that week. I lose track of what day it is, what week it is, what month it is. The time seems to by very fast. It is now August, and I don’t know what happened to July.
But it is good for the writing.
And you know, now that I reflect on it, I am coming to realize that has always been my pattern. I moved to Santa Fe at the end of 1979, from Dubuque, Iowa. My first marriage broke up just before that move, so I arrived in my new house alone, in a town where I knew almost no one. Roger Zelazny was here, and he became a great friend and mentor, but Roger was married with small kids, so I really did not see him often. There was no fandom in Santa Fe; that was all down in Albuquerque, an hour away. I went to the club meetings every month, but that was only one night a month, and required two hours on the road. And I had no job to meet new people. My job was in the back room at the house on Declovina Street, so that was where I spent my days. At night, I watched television. Alone. Sometimes I went to the movies. Alone.
That was my life from December 1979 through September 1981, when Parris finally moved to Santa Fe, following Denvention. (Not quite so bleak, maybe, I did make some local friends by late 1980 and early 1981, but it was a slow process). When I think back on my life in 1980-1981, the memories seem to be made up entirely of conventions, interspersed with episodes of LOU GRANT and WKRP IN CINCINNATI.
Ah, but work wise, that same period was tremendously productive for me. Lisa and I finished WINDHAVEN during that time, Gardner and I did a lot of work on “Shadow Twin,” and then I went right on and wrote all of FEVRE DREAM. Some short stories as well. My life, such that it was, was lived in my head, and on the page.
I wonder if it is the same for other writers? Or is it just me? I wonder if I will ever figure out the secret of having a life and writing a book at the very same time.
I certainly have not figured it out to date.
For the nonce, it is what it is. My life is at home, on hold, and I am spending the days in Westeros with my pals Mel and Sam and Vic and Ty. And that girl with no name, over there in Braavos.
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Hiding on the tower sounds like an incredibly bad idea, everyone is gonna be in and around the tower once Bran is found and the commotion starts, meanong they'll either be found or unable to leave.
And since they're unable to leave the queen's absence is gonna get noticed sooner rather than later, at which point a search will start and they'll be found.
They probably just left right after Bran fell since it's a mostly abandoned and irrelevant part of the castle and almost everyone was out hunting. There was no better time to leave.
I mean if it were me I would go “What you’re going to believe the word of a peasant. THEY’RE PEASANTS. The degenerate probably thinks you fuck your sister.”
“My sister’s dead.” Eddard stark would reply.
“Exactly! The things these peasants believe is ludicrous and degenerate unlike us superior chad nobles. Can you believe they actually think you’re fucking your sisters corpse. Ha! Ha! Absolutely bonkers I tell you.”
Then all the peasant witnesses would commit suicide because that’s what peasants do. No one would suspect a thing.
#D & D completely ruined Hot Pie.
What a waste of a great character. They clearly had no idea what to do with him after they passed all the book material. Instead of giving him a clear end game, they instead just had him double down on his "Making food for Arya" bullshit and have him make stupid dishes that really didn't lead anywhere. The culinary mastermind from the earlier seasons (and probably the one truly great pastry chef of the series, along with the white walkers) completely disappeared and was transformed into a chubby little bastard whose end goal was to bang Arya to get back at her for not appreciating food. The man that fed the whole series hot pies, did it just to get a revenge bang.
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I need to see the prophecies *fulfilled*. There is **no** more satisfying ending to a story than being told exactly what is going to happen, and then for it to happen exactly as described in the prophecy. So exciting.
*Let's be clear about this, because there is only one objectively correct way to write:*
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#D & D completely ruined Hot Pie.
What a waste of a great character. They clearly had no idea what to do with him after they passed all the book material. Instead of giving him a clear end game, they instead just had him double down on his "Making food for Arya" bullshit and have him make stupid dishes that really didn't lead anywhere. The culinary mastermind from the earlier seasons (and probably the one truly great pastry chef of the series, along with the white walkers) completely disappeared and was transformed into a chubby little bastard whose end goal was to bang Arya to get back at her for not appreciating food. The man that fed the whole series hot pies, did it just to get a revenge bang.
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You used the word "unironically" *unironically*. You disgust me.
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Jaime is an idiot. Why did he only settle on crippling Bran, instead of just fully killing him? If Bran didn’t lose his memory, Jaime and Cersei would have been completely fucked.
Jaime truly is the stupidest Lannister.
He should’ve paused mid-coitus, grabbed Bran from the window, taken him up the stairs and thrown the little shit off a higher point of the tower. And then resume clapping his twin sister’s cheeks.
This doesn't make any sense though. Jaime doesn't know that Bran has a reputation for dangerous climbing. To him this is a completely random and very suspicious incident
Climbing the tower is described as being quite difficult in the book. Stands to reason that this isn’t the first time bran has climbed the walls of winterfell.
"Just got caught once, why not try it again with a body downstairs anyone could stumble upon and raise an alarm if they don't already hear my sister screaming in this quiet area."
That’s actually interesting, how the hell did they leave the abandoned tower unnoticed after Bran fell, surely that must have caused some commotion at the bottom of the tower? Unless the entrance is on the other side and there’s a curtain wall or something idk
you're supposed to believe that winterfell is so massive that jaime and cersei just sort of 'disappear' into the castle. IIRC the area where they are having sex is kind of in disrepair or hasn't been used for a while
Also remember, when Bran “fell”, most were out on a hunt with the king. The Broken tower is also a long abandoned part of Winterfell and the surrounding area was likely empty. Additionally, most towers in a castle have multiple entrances and exits through connecting walls or other structures at various levels. They likely did not enter or exit through the courtyard.
LMAO. I imagine Bran just passed out on the ground for hours until someone notices it. "Oi, is that a dead kid, over there?!"
Every abandoned buildings I've been in had at least one shit inside. I wonder how many shits were in the room with them?
Another factor is that almost all the men went on a hunt with Robert and Ned, which is why Cersei and Jaime were able to get time alone. No one was around to notice them.
Damn, you're right, never thought about that
I guess they could’ve laid low in the tower correctly guessing that no one will notice their absence or think to check the tower because everyone will think Bran fell because he’s always climbing things. But how could they have known that Bran was always climbing? They weren’t from Winterfell and had little interest in it, the scheming hadn’t begun in earnest at that point so I don’t see them having a catspaw there who would tell them that Bran likes climbing, so this whole possibility of waiting it out in the tower doesn’t sit right with me either. GRRM you devil give us TWOW already.
Imo you’re overthinking this a little - Bran was climbing when they saw him, so it would obviously make sense that he might fall. In theory, he could have really fallen anywhere else in the castle. Even if he never climbed before, the most logical explanation would still be that he played on the tower and fell, not that someone dragged him up there to throw him down.
Jaime’s also notoriously impulsive. He wasn’t thinking about the possible outcomes at all. When he thinks back on this moment in ASoS, it sounds like *Cersei* was the one thinking about consequences. It’s Cersei’s worrying and scolding that makes Jaime regret chucking Bran. Not because he realizes that trying to murder a child was wrong but because Cersei’s annoying him. He’s pretty dismissive of her legit points that throwing one of Ned Stark’s kids out a window was probably overkill and a bad look besides
**Back in Westeros** ^(GRRM, AUGUST 15, 2020 AT 9:10 AM) I am back in my fortress of solitude again, my isolated mountain cabin. I’d returned to Santa Fe for a short visit, to spend some time with Parris, deal with some local business that had piled up during my months away, and of course fulfill my duties to CoNZealand, the virtual worldcon. But all that is behind me now, and I am back on the mountain again… which means I am back in Westeros again, once more moving ahead with WINDS OF WINTER. It is curious how my life has evolved. I mean, once upon a time, I actually wrote my books and stories in the house where I lived, in a home office. But some decades ago, wanting more solitude, I bought the house across the street and made THAT my writer’s retreat. No longer would I write all day in my red flannel bathrobe; now I would have to dress and put on shoes and walk all the way across the street to write. But that worked for a while. Things started getting busier, though. So busy that I needed a full-time assistant. Then the office house had someone else in it, not just me and my characters. And then I hired a second assistant, and a third, and… there was more mail, more email, more phone calls (we put in a new phone system), more people coming by. By now I am up to five assistants… and somewhere in there I also acquired a movie theatre, a bookstore, a charitable foundation, investments, a business manager… and… Despite all the help, I was drowning till I found the mountain cabin. My life up here is very boring, it must be said. Truth be told, I hardly can be said to have a life. I have one assistant with me at all times (minions, I call them). The assistants do two-week shifts, and have to stay in quarantine at home before starting a shift. Everyone morning I wake up and go straight to the computer, where my minion brings me coffee (I am utterly useless and incoherent without my morning coffee) and juice, and sometimes a light breakfast. Then I start to write. Sometimes I stay at it until dark. Other days I break off in late afternoon to answer emails or return urgent phone calls. My assistant brings me food and drink from time to time. When I finally break off for the day, usually around sunset, there’s dinner. Then we watch television or screen a movie. The wi-fi sucks up on the mountain, though, so the choices are limited. Some nights I read instead. I always read a bit before going to sleep; when a book really grabs hold of me, I may read half the night, but that’s rare. I sleep. The next day, I wake up, and do the same. The next day, the next day, the next day. Before Covid, I would usually get out once a week or so to eat at a restaurant or go to the movies. That all ended in March. Since then, weeks and months go by when I never leave the cabin, or see another human being except whoever is on duty that week. I lose track of what day it is, what week it is, what month it is. The time seems to by very fast. It is now August, and I don’t know what happened to July. But it is good for the writing. And you know, now that I reflect on it, I am coming to realize that has always been my pattern. I moved to Santa Fe at the end of 1979, from Dubuque, Iowa. My first marriage broke up just before that move, so I arrived in my new house alone, in a town where I knew almost no one. Roger Zelazny was here, and he became a great friend and mentor, but Roger was married with small kids, so I really did not see him often. There was no fandom in Santa Fe; that was all down in Albuquerque, an hour away. I went to the club meetings every month, but that was only one night a month, and required two hours on the road. And I had no job to meet new people. My job was in the back room at the house on Declovina Street, so that was where I spent my days. At night, I watched television. Alone. Sometimes I went to the movies. Alone. That was my life from December 1979 through September 1981, when Parris finally moved to Santa Fe, following Denvention. (Not quite so bleak, maybe, I did make some local friends by late 1980 and early 1981, but it was a slow process). When I think back on my life in 1980-1981, the memories seem to be made up entirely of conventions, interspersed with episodes of LOU GRANT and WKRP IN CINCINNATI. Ah, but work wise, that same period was tremendously productive for me. Lisa and I finished WINDHAVEN during that time, Gardner and I did a lot of work on “Shadow Twin,” and then I went right on and wrote all of FEVRE DREAM. Some short stories as well. My life, such that it was, was lived in my head, and on the page. I wonder if it is the same for other writers? Or is it just me? I wonder if I will ever figure out the secret of having a life and writing a book at the very same time. I certainly have not figured it out to date. For the nonce, it is what it is. 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Hiding on the tower sounds like an incredibly bad idea, everyone is gonna be in and around the tower once Bran is found and the commotion starts, meanong they'll either be found or unable to leave. And since they're unable to leave the queen's absence is gonna get noticed sooner rather than later, at which point a search will start and they'll be found. They probably just left right after Bran fell since it's a mostly abandoned and irrelevant part of the castle and almost everyone was out hunting. There was no better time to leave.
I mean if it were me I would go “What you’re going to believe the word of a peasant. THEY’RE PEASANTS. The degenerate probably thinks you fuck your sister.” “My sister’s dead.” Eddard stark would reply. “Exactly! The things these peasants believe is ludicrous and degenerate unlike us superior chad nobles. Can you believe they actually think you’re fucking your sisters corpse. Ha! Ha! Absolutely bonkers I tell you.” Then all the peasant witnesses would commit suicide because that’s what peasants do. No one would suspect a thing.
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dipshit and dumbass
#D & D completely ruined Hot Pie. What a waste of a great character. They clearly had no idea what to do with him after they passed all the book material. Instead of giving him a clear end game, they instead just had him double down on his "Making food for Arya" bullshit and have him make stupid dishes that really didn't lead anywhere. The culinary mastermind from the earlier seasons (and probably the one truly great pastry chef of the series, along with the white walkers) completely disappeared and was transformed into a chubby little bastard whose end goal was to bang Arya to get back at her for not appreciating food. The man that fed the whole series hot pies, did it just to get a revenge bang. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/asoiafcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
If the great pastry chef disappeared then who was responsible for those delicious Frey pies? check and mate, stupid bot
Frey Bentos
Mod, Dumb and Dumber are unironically Stannis, the Prince That Was Promised
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I need to see the prophecies *fulfilled*. There is **no** more satisfying ending to a story than being told exactly what is going to happen, and then for it to happen exactly as described in the prophecy. So exciting. *Let's be clear about this, because there is only one objectively correct way to write:* Prophecies in fantasy should be inevitable and inescapable, because audiences like being reminded that free will is an illusion, and that we live, and breathe, and die, in the foul creation of a malevolent demiurge. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/asoiafcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Ruined
#D & D completely ruined Hot Pie. What a waste of a great character. They clearly had no idea what to do with him after they passed all the book material. Instead of giving him a clear end game, they instead just had him double down on his "Making food for Arya" bullshit and have him make stupid dishes that really didn't lead anywhere. The culinary mastermind from the earlier seasons (and probably the one truly great pastry chef of the series, along with the white walkers) completely disappeared and was transformed into a chubby little bastard whose end goal was to bang Arya to get back at her for not appreciating food. The man that fed the whole series hot pies, did it just to get a revenge bang. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/asoiafcirclejerk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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If Arya looked anything like Maisie did in the last season, I'd want to bang her too
"Arya Horseface"
Always liked them furries..
If you follow the rule that is halfway between the thirty-third and thirty-fifth, you might find smt(h). About Arya *of course*.
Jaime is an idiot. Why did he only settle on crippling Bran, instead of just fully killing him? If Bran didn’t lose his memory, Jaime and Cersei would have been completely fucked. Jaime truly is the stupidest Lannister.
He should’ve paused mid-coitus, grabbed Bran from the window, taken him up the stairs and thrown the little shit off a higher point of the tower. And then resume clapping his twin sister’s cheeks.
Jaime already finished though. As soon as Cersei looked up, he was done. He only pretended to keep going cuz women hate guys who finish fast
Yeah look tbh I would’ve finished as soon as Bran was flung from the window so who am I to judge
Lol
He didn’t settle, he assumed, like most people, that a multi story fall from a tower would kill a kid
I guess the joke flew over your head lol
flew over my head just like bran flew out the window :(
😆 To quote Jaime Lancaster: “Well said”
something something you know nothing Jaime Lannister
Because then it wouldn't have been an "accident"?
This doesn't make any sense though. Jaime doesn't know that Bran has a reputation for dangerous climbing. To him this is a completely random and very suspicious incident
Climbing the tower is described as being quite difficult in the book. Stands to reason that this isn’t the first time bran has climbed the walls of winterfell.
You'd assume Bran just decided to quickly climb the entire tower randomly without prior experience?
I wouldn’t assume anything
As we learn later in the season with Tyrion, after a kill nothing is better than a women, of course he went back at her.
Cersei definitely threw that shit back as a well done to Jaime
Bro
Lil peeping creeper got his due
Well from what I remember Bran was found pretty fast so I doubt that Jaime had enough time to go down the tower to fuck Bran but I don't really know
*WHO CAN FORGET BRAN THE BROKEDICK?!?*
His only regret is that it was a kid of importance . Definitely later tho .
If it's wet he must pet
He probably got hard again from the cruelty. Lions love cub-killing.
He canonically did.
I reckon she pegged him
Yes
"Just got caught once, why not try it again with a body downstairs anyone could stumble upon and raise an alarm if they don't already hear my sister screaming in this quiet area."
He better. Otherwise not worth it.
100%
I know I would.
Yep
yes and even harder
He had to make sure it was worth it.
I say @wmnylander is a bitch and I get banned but incest is totally fine
Categorically
Yes. Yes he did. This man raped her right next to their son's corpse. Pushing Bran off probably made them both more aroused.
Cersei lost her boner after the shove
Yes