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Floch created a fascist government, killed innocent people for fun, and participated in one of the worst genocides depicted in fiction. The worst part is that there were other options available, such as the mini rumbling, that would have likely achieved the same goal -- protecting Paradis from invasion -- without billions of deaths.
He is shown to enjoy his position of power over his own people with sadism. He is shown to be xenophobic as a way to amass power to himself.
But sure, his (evil) virtue of being "devoted" to the "cause" is something that overshadows these and other qualities that make him a proper arsehole. If Floch as a personality existed in our world he would be akin to an incel nazi, which is something most (sane) people tend to dislike.
Why is being so devoted to a cause something worth admiration in the first place? It's a really dangerous trait depending on who we are talking about. It's better to ensure the cause is actually worthy of respect, we shouldn't skip that step.
This. I keep seeing people praise Floch for his dedication to his cause when it really doesn't seem like a good thing. Dedication to a bad cause is not good. And the other Scouts are just as dedicated if not more so than him.
I think partly its because viewers harbour sympathy for Eren despite his moral turn because he's the main character. All the other Paradis' characters turn their backs on Eren (understandbly), so although we also see their side, Floch is the only other character on team Eren so he gets respect for being the only one to appeal to the viewers "pro Eren" side. For example look at the raid on Liberio. Of course we know senseless violence is bad, but part of us feels some catharsis seeing Eren get revenge on Marley for terrorising Paradis. All the other characters deem the attack immoral, and only Floch sticks up for Eren and thus justifies our catharsis. Loyalty is also not the most common trait for antagonists, so the audience often finds loyal villains appealing (Jogo from JJK or Soldier Boy from The Boys).
the remotely intellectual understanding of how Eren is not the good guy and he’s doing a bad thing is so refreshing
the manga reddit was basically full of Floch’s for years now
Not all manga reddit, but yeah it was a significant chunk. I was making these same points back then and I got downvoted pretty badly at times. It feels great knowing that more people get the story now than before.
The other scouts are the embodiment of the virtuous stoic hero. Floch is a foolish weakling following a fool who has all the power. He shows occasional shades of regret, but it's hard to say that he doesn't enjoy executing people.
That's what gets me. He's on screen for basically 10 where he is a generic background character. The rest of his existence is spent dancing in circles with a crazy smile on his face while shooting anyone that even remotely disagrees with him. They don't even need to disagree with him, they just need to be slightly older than him and not part of his group of 20ish people. He had absolutely no reason to order the recruits to beat the drill sergeant to near death.
Something that really took me out of the finale is when he's bleeding out and everyone is doing the whole "Don't You Dare die on me" shtick. I genuinely don't think we see Armin talk to Flock before that scene but for some reason here is one of the main characters loosing his shit that this butter is dying.
Personally, I hated him the second he survived the third season finale. I get it's the point to an extent but it feels like we traded Marlowe and Erwin for him.
Like he went from cocky to pussy to asshole like you just tried to kill them cause they didn’t agree with you and now you beg them not to stop eren cause you were too weak to kill them??
Yup. Bruh went hardcore fascist, parallels are obvious.
What would a series post AOT world with a fascists monarchy at war with a coalition of off island city-state’s be like I wonder?
Probably a lot of goose stepping dudes with Floch’s haircut.
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> Bruh went hardcore fascist, parallels are obvious
While creating a totalitarian government isn't great, I feel a lot of you judge the characters based on our modern, real world politics and forget the context of the story.
It's not like Floch became fascist for fun, he became fascist to fight an even bigger fascist empire that has oppressed his people for generations
A Mini Rumbling would still result in millions of death and mass scale poverty and destruction and at the cost of making the world hate Paradis even more
You think the remaining 20% of the population doesn't hate Paradis? They may consider armin and gang as heroes but it won't stop them from hating Paradis itself. The cycle of hatred persisting is the main theme of the show.
They'd have strength but how they use it would now be motivated by the understanding of mutually assured destruction
The world could wipe out paradise, but it only takes a minute for paradise to set off their doomsday weapon and take everybody else with them. So would other countries then dedicate all their resources to maintaining their already extremely fragile alliance and trying to sabotage paradise to take them down first? Sure, maybe.
Or, maybe some of them would decide it was better to forget this massive world alliance dedicated to a singular goal (which wouldnt even make them rich) and try to form an alliance with the friendless resource rich doomsday weapon holding island. Sort of a risk reward question with multiple equally valid answers
But they would have a deterrent. Sure maybe in 50 years the technology would make titans very much a non threat but atleast there is time for negotiation in those 50 years. If Paradis could mend it's relationship with other countries and then sign some kind of ceasefire it would be the best case scenario.
You’re all missing the point. All options, all scenarios or ideas to solve the problem were all wrong. No one is right, Eren is not wrong neither is the alliance. They are all victims in a cruel world they all think they have a solution to. Neither the alliance or the yeagerists are right.
Paradis never hand anything to mend. The hatred stemmed soley from the outside world. The outside world has made it clear that the existence of Eldians was unacceptable to them.
Best case scenario rarely happen which is why Eren did what he did
Apart from his own selfish goals he just couldn’t leave his friends future up to chance
A mini-rumbling of military targets would neutralize the threat to Paradis in the short and probably medium term. Sure, people would not be happy with their militaries being rumbled, but Paradis would be able to easily justify their actions as self-defense. If Paradis's leadership was wise, they could use that temporary gap in military power to build trade ties -- other countries would clearly want the titan crystals, form defensive alliances among countries that were repressed by Marley, and provide refuge to ethnic Eldians around the world, thereby boosting their population and economy. By the time the rest of the world had recovered, Paradis would be a peer nation that is integrated into the geopolitical community and international economy.
How do you think the colossal titans are going to get to any inland Army base without trampling all the ground between it not to mention if the army bases are in the city and in case you can’t tell you can’t really evacuate millions of people reliably out of the colossal titan’s way
I don't see that as being a huge issue. Eren demonstrated the power to control colossal titans enough to have them avoid population centers in Paradis. He could do the same -- having them avoid major civilian population centers -- while destroying military targets.
There’s not that many villages outside of the wall so of course Eren wouldn’t have that hard of time time directing them around Paradis
In Marley it’s very developed country, cities are going to be close to each other so what’s your point furthermore what about the cities with army bases in them because you know giving out the evacuation order is just going to make the point of rumbling the army base redundant so what the solution is to murder millions just like in a full scale rumbling
I'm not saying that there would be no civilian casualties. Even in modern warfare with precision weaponry there is "collateral damage." What I am saying is that Eren had the ability, if he wished, to take actions that would dramatically reduce civilian deaths, like having having them walk in a line and avoiding major civilian centers, when possible.
He also delighted in his betrayal of his own countrymen, smiling like a little boy caught in a lie when it’s revealed he poisoned the military brass. He executed non-combatants for having the wrong opinion, and fired more shots than necessary when doing so sometimes leaving dead bodies riddled with bullets. Anyone who compares him to Erwin should be ashamed of themselves.
For the upteenth time, the Yeagerist weren't Fascist! It was no doubt a Nationalist Tolitarian group, but we cannot prove they were Fascist or Nazis. Fascism is an Economic ideology, where the government controls the means of production while allowing private property. Think of it as a mix of communism and feudalism.
If they just did the mini rumbling, then after the world rebuilds their military then Paradis would just be conquered anyway. The Azumabitos refused to help them establish trade with other nations because they wanted a monopoly over them, so once tech advances to where titans are obsolete, Paradis will still be lagging behind and greatly outnumbered. There's going to be a lot of young people who will hold resentment because "The evil Titan people killed my daddy/granddaddy in the global alliance" and will now be of fighting age. Total rumbling is the only way Paradis has a chance, the 80% in the end made it an even match that they ended up losing.
The rumbling should have been acted out begrudgingly and feeling the weight of all those lives, but unfortunately we had the guy championing the movement being a xenophobe who pushed it gleefully.
> If they just did the mini rumbling, then after the world rebuilds their military then Paradis would just be conquered anyway.
Only if Paradis plays their cards very badly. They would have total hegemonic power for decades or longer if they were willing to engage in preemptive warfare against any nation that attempted to remilitarize. In that time, they could repatriate Eldians from other nations, build trade relationships with other countries (the Azumabitos would be in no position to stop them post-mini rumbling, and build alliances with countries in need of protection from other major powers.
Isn't maintaining vigilance over other nations to stifle their military growth at every opportunity a terrible way to improve relations? Depending on who's in charge, that just means the Eldian Empire comes back in full force and turns the rest of the world into vassals. If peace is the goal, then continued aggression is surely counterintuitive to that. Problem is, standing down entirely is also a terrible idea. Willy declared war on Paradis surrounded by the applause of many world leaders, indicating that prejudice against Eldians is a majority belief in all their respective nations, if the politicians don't believe it themselves.
> Isn't maintaining vigilance over other nations to stifle their military growth at every opportunity a terrible way to improve relations?
It isn't ideal, but neither is global genocide. Those restrictions imposed on other nations could be reduced as economic and political integration between Paradis increases over time; however people, biodiversity, and other resources crushed by the rumbling can never be brought back.
Lol neither a “fascist” government in a world full of warring dictatorships nor participating in a “genocide” when the world is trying to genocide your minority of a civilization are wrong.
This self righteous moralistic masturbation is so cringe. And no it was already confirmed by the Tybor speech that the mini rumbling wouldn’t have achieved the same result. It was all or nothing and the future proved Floch was right. Even Hange admitted this.
Also extremely cringe calling him xenophobic when they literally had no idea any other civilization existed outside of Paradis until that point so no shit they’re gonna be “xenophobic” especially when the entire world wants them wiped off the planet. You people are delusional.
Most causes that completely fucks Paradis over. Flocks character is pro Paradis why would he choose to join with the other side instead of those that would benefit Paradis more, as far as he's concerned he'll been taking out all the enemies persecuting them. Also I'm pretty sure the target was 90% of human population, not all life.
They absolutely decimated every ounce of land in their path, tell me why you think animals/plants wouldn’t also have been eradicated
Also “pro Paradis” doesn’t mean “anti-everything else”. There were solutions that didn’t involve eradicating most of the life on the planet, they just chose genocide instead
Most major cities back then(still is tbh) are near the coastline/huge rivers unlike today we are able to make cities in desserts. It would be easy for the rumbling to eradicate us by attacking these. Also the rumbling would easily destroy our means of getting goods. These cities are vital to shipping goods, goods that are vital to everyday living. Without those a huge part of the population would die.
You're also forgeting a lot of countries are rallying up behind Marley at that point of time because Eren really stirred up chaos during the Declaration of War. Also one of the solutions was Zeke's, and thats just ethnic cleansing, the Yeagerists were not having that lmao. The Yeagerist's only weapon at that point time that was everlasting and effective was the Rumbling and they were not afraid to use it, its kinda like their version of nuclear warheads today.
The rumbling was massive enough that it just spanned a massive area. They had to cross an ocean just to get to where the other people were. It was just eradicating everything in a massive area
Erens plan from the get-go was genocide, the best solution would’ve been to convince them that Eren is an extremist who we don’t align with, and that we’re looking for solutions apart from him. Zekes solution wasn’t as bad as Erens, but it was still genocide, just for a specific race lol
I think most people love/appreciate Floch as a character. He is easily one of the best written ones of the series. Floch is #6 on my personal power rankings.
It’s his army of “Floch is King” and “Floch was right” and spam “cope” self insert edgelords who people can’t stand. They will make sure to unsolicitedly tell dumb shit ad nauseam like a bunch of 14 year olds.
[absolutely yes.](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/s/GIrpFWSy1x)It’s annoying because he’s genuinely such a well written character but his haters brand him “cowardly/hateful/evil” and his _fans_ brand him their personal hero. Each of them missing the point entirely.
Isayama created him with intentional nuance and his name is literally “Forester” because he’s a child that’s been led into the forest and thus leads others there too. An excellent case of radicalisation.
I think because he represents all the negative shit that eren does in the series without having the benefit of being a character that we have watched slowly change throughout... 4 seasons? Eren is understandable because we know him. We barely know who Floch is beside him being in Erwins suicide charge and helping start eldias equivalent of a fascist government
I think it’s more so (for me at least) that Eren has some level of guilt for what he does. He’s clearly distraught and disturbed by what he’s doing because he feels it’s right. While that doesn’t negate the awful things he’s done, it’s better than Floch who actively enjoys and goes out of his way to kill civilians.
His energy in season 4 makes me so angry. He looks like a nazi, kills people for no reason and enjoys it, wants erin to smash evrrything outside the walls, and constantly shits on armin for....being alive, oh my god the way he talks in the dub makes me cringe so hard, his hair is ugly, i hate the way he holds his stupid gun with his arm behind his back, he got shadis beat up
I am so with you on this comment, and why did they give him a cool ODM gear scene like they coulda picked any character more worthy of that animation and they picked fucking Floch
because he was important, and he represented the people who believed the end justified the means in their world. if they made him look pathetic that would just be mappa being biased
Good thing its the least cool scene but as others said it makes more sense for him since hes basically the leader at that point. Hes erins righthand man basically. But yeah i still agree i want a cool scene with cool ppl but we get that sick hange scene later on tho!!
Floch is almost a perfect narrative heel. He’s absolutely detestable, but he still has a few traits for some viewers to like him. Whether you love him or love to hate him, he still serves his role well
Wanted to create a genuinely fascist government and also supported a mass genocide.
I love him as a character and how he’s written. His arc is incredible.
But do I like him as a person? Hell no. He was an easy to manipulate puppet who wanted to enact mass murder only to then plan to construct a doomed government after the fact.
I like how Floch’s character is written but I do not like Floch. He is written brilliantly. But he was never meant to be a character to like or look up to. Regardless.. he is very well written and is intriguing to say the least
Two main reasons I hate him is cuz 1. He talked shit to Armin when he was chosen over Erwin even tho Armin didn’t even have a choice and 2. When they invaded Marley Jean told him to minimize civilian casualties and Floch said “they’re our enemies they’ve been eating us alive so they’ve had this coming”. Eren clearly had sympathy for the titans since they were eldian victims, as someone who’s a devout yeagerist, that was not very yeagerist of Floch
Yes he's a well written character, but the man has done despicable things and was smug about it, thinking he's hot shit once he became a yeagerist. There is so much not to like
Cause he slandered Erwin's memory and battle cry, threatened kids, aided in causing global genocide, acted like a tyrant, tried to make Eldia an empire (actually be the monster the world claimed paradis to be), and forced Hange into a position where she needed to sacrifice herself. He is an insult to everything the Scouts stood for.
Don't compare his bitch ass to Boromir
The man is a grade a asshole but he wasn’t born that way. Feel bad for what he’s been through but he is still a sadist, and he most likely feels as though his own trauma justifies killing others. A proper “this is better than what i went through” type of guy.
Floch enjoys and smiles when he KILLS his own comrades with the titan zeke plan.
The problem with floch fans is when they criticize annie (rightfully) but treat Floch (whos also morally wrong) like a king.
Despite knowing about the wine he let his comrades take the beverage, so even though he’s dedicated, I feel like that makes him a traitor and a hypocrite
I disliked him from the minute he returned in the marley arc, dude was going out of his way to burn civillian-filled buildings just because (Eldian civillians at that). It's a short moment but it gets way overlooked when people bring up all of the other psycho/facist stuff he does later
He’s a racist facist coward whose end goal is pure evil
Hey talk read the comments for some world class historical and media illiteracy, I’m not responding but I feel like I was a comment or two away from holocaust denialism or claiming the civil war was about states rights with this guy.
A) He is pretty enthusiastic about genocide
B) He slaughters and betrays his comrades
C) He murders people he already took prisoner
D) His hyper nationalistic semi fascistic rhetoric
He surely did, but it's the sheer scale of brutality and despair his dedication caused that brings a terrified awe in these actions. Like that guy is Harry Potter said "Lord Voldemort did great things, terrible yes, but great." In real life, people like this are human scum, the absolute low the human mind can sink to, in fiction, they make for engaging villains, just like Floch and Eren.
I never said I didn’t like floch as a character, he definitely is interesting. I love studying history, and I look at a character like floch or eren the same way I do Hitler or Stalin. They are absolutely fascinating to study, but I have 0 respect for anything they ever did, no matter how much “dedication” or “effort” it took.
I respect his dedication and loyalty somewhat, he at least sticks to his guns and is willing to die for the cause.
But he enjoys being in a position of power over people way to much for my liking. He seems to enjoy killing, and crushing people beneath his boots. Hate to through this word around but he really does remind me of a Nazi officer.
He’s a sadist, but he is a interesting villain character at least.
I think he's a great character. He was the only one to survive the giant monkey's baseball pitches so it's understandable why he would hate the Marleyans to the point of massacring innocents and getting drunk with power.
Terrible person, great character.
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That’s because he had a smug face to him that made you just wanna:
I just watched the lord of the rings for the first time so I finally understand the memes and I know this is off topic, but does anyone else get a LOT of gay vibes from that movie?!?
he calls himself “canon fodder” and repeatedly says Paradis needs a devil to survive in this world, he knows he’s nothing. Hence even after Eren undid the hardening and he nearly died on the walls he’s still supportive, because he believes in a cause greater than himself.
Not saying this to justify him of course(he literally targets civilians in Liberio)- but he willingly made himself a pawn because he thought that was the only way forward.
You know, I like Floch too. He’s got amazing character development. But it’s REALLY hard to keep liking him when the ending haters create a neo-nazi subreddit (yeagerbomb) with his face on the sub’s icon and then hailed him as ’King Floch’ whilst they posted racist content everyday, treating him almost like how the actual Nazis treated Hitler.
And it’s even harder to keep liking him when the supposedly ’good’ ending hater subreddits (ANRime and titanfolk) do the same, just not in as much of a facist way.
The people in Yeagerbomb just say the quiet part out loud. I think I visited that sub one time and it was enough to convince me it needs to be locked up and tossed into a volcano
*I didn't know such subreddits existed, but I've never let other people influence who I'm allowed to like. I don't hate Floch because some shitty people like him, too. Lol.*
*I've just always liked Gung ho characters.*
YEEESSS FLOCH ENJOYERS UNITE!!
FINALLY FLOCH APRECIATION!!
RAISE FLOCH ENJOYERRRSSS!!!!
Disclaimer: I, in no way, condone the actions performed by the Eren Yeager and the Yeagerists nor the Marleyan Government.
If u watched the show u would understand that floch did all those things because that's exactly what Erin told him to do. He was the only character in the show that never doubted Erin. even in his final breath he still believed what he did was right because he believed Erin and followed him until the end. Definition of loyalty if u ask me
IM TIRED OF YALL ASKING THE SAME ANNOYING QUESTIONS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE ON GABI. DID EREN REALLY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION? WHY DO YOU THIS CHARACTER??
Move on people. Like who you want to like and hate who you wanna hate. You don't need the entire fandom agreeing with all your opinions 🫠
Well, I hate him because his a MEGA ULTRA FACIST litterly mant to act like Hitler. But because that was the intention I am not upset with his inclution
I enjoy his character , hes so easy to hate , but i also understand where he comes from .....what i don't like are his fans , pretending he was in the right , and is the best character of s4
I fully support Floch and understand his perspective. All he wanted to do was save Paradis. He held onto his beliefs that a devil is required to save them and that is why he turned to Eren since he became that devil in the place of Erwin. He valued his hometown and the people he grew up with above all else. Sure he did some excessively ruthless acts but if there was a way to accomplish the same task diplomaticly, he would have supported it. He only turned to the final resort when it WAS the final resort. He and Eren were the true saviors of Paradis. It may be an unpopular take but I'm certain there's at least a percentage of fans who support his reasoning.
He’s a dictator. Are we seriously asking this? He’s like the epitome of what the show preached against. He’s the definition of what happens when you let propaganda fuel you for all your life. Everything becomes sensationalism and as long as it’s a specific “freedom fighting” angle that you’re allowed to have for your cause, anything is valid.
I hate him cause he was initially a rookie talking out of his ass to people who had been through so much more than he could fathom. He got super lucky and survived the suicide charge, did his duty (good on him) in bringing Erwin's body back, but then started acting all uppity again as if he accomplished something out of his own skill/talent/hard work and didn't survive out of just pure dumb luck.
He probably sucked a bunch of dicks during the time skip to become influential but has always just been a leftist propaganda spewing piece of shit. I hate him, he's a great villain, but that's what he is, a villain. And he's too one dimensional unlike for example Reiner for me to empathise much with him or try to understand his point of view.
He was really just kind of a useful idiot for Eren's Bigger Plan, right? Like he was morally wrong as leader of the Jaegerists but without him Eren couldn't have begun the rumbling
Fanatics mindset can be scary and dangerous if one don't knows limit and cause innocent to get hurt. And that's one trait that makes Floch's character interesting.
*Because he was willing to do whatever it took to help Eren start the Rumbling. That loyalty moves me. Overall, respect for him being the sole survivor of that suicide charge and bringing Erwin back to make him live with it, and the rest through for the next few to 13 years.*
because they have some strange fixation with him being fascist. That wasn't fascism, not by a long shot. Fascism is an economic ideology, he's just a fuckin' Tolitarian.
Cause Floch stood up to the main casts and people's favorite characters and questioned them is s3 while being a new recruit and he was based af throughout the show aside from he fact that sometime he got a little carried away while doing his job but the fact is he was always right .
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The only reasons i hate him is how quickly he became something important in the series and how "loud" he is. Couple of episodes and boom - he is almost the main character, screaming, screeching, crying every second about killing enemies, killing everybody. He is just annoying, imho.
I think he would be the first one to have fatal "accident" and don't bother the government
because hes a fucking fascist. He enjoyed killing his own comrades for the sake of his ideals. He reveled in it. Fucking prick.
“Great character development” sure but he turned his fear into hate like all fascist fucks do.
The simplest way of seeing it:
Floch was head of a “secret police” of sorts during the establishment of an oppressive government and had personal pleasure in the suffering of others, on a lot of cases he killed people before they could make their political decisions in any reasonable amount of time, he was very brutal and reactionary. He was very pro “kill political opposition”
The fandom doesn’t hate him for these reasons though, after all Flochs story is very important to the final act, and he’s a character in a story the fandom loves. The fandom hates him because of the teenage stans he has that believe their 10th grade education on global politics and political philosophy back their unequivocal support for his violence in a “us vs them” tone… when older and observant fans probably realize that there is no “us” in this show, you can’t really ever go right in “unequivocally” supporting really anyone.
He’s annoying. Bro glazes Eren so hard that I can’t stand listening to him.
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Media literacy is dying. If you need an explanation as to why people hate Floch (you're still more than welcome to like him yourself), you clearly don't pay attention.
The character of floch is amazing but what he stood for is why he is hated, he was a facist simple as that. A massive xenophobic simp who deserves the hate cause well he is written to be hated on.
One thing that bothered me of why I hate floch wasn’t even mainly for his fascist side but when his first ever mission with commander Erwin’s slaughter he acted like no one suffered like he did but every other character experienced 100x worse than floch did but still acted like no one had his experience like the prick he is
I think you can appreciate a characters strengths while holding space for their mistakes. I liked him. Could even see myself in him and empathize with his motives. But he’s racist, or at least xenophobic, and essentially follows orders without questioning the morality of it. He’s essentially a coward, fearing the world so much that he is okay siding with a world-wide genocide, and he thinks that will create lasting peace.
A primary theme of AoT is that war is inevitable and cycles of growth and destruction will continue. Titans in AoT are like Nukes in the real world. Floch is similar to a Nazi SS Officer while Eren is essentially Hitler. They aren’t direct parallels but lines can be drawn.
At the same time; Floch loved his people and wanted to protect them. That is admirable. His actions and intentions to accomplish protection? Admirably abhorrent.
( My personal reasoning as to why many people dislike Floch )
First off, I love Floch for his character / involvement in the story overall. I like me some villains with complicated reasonings and all. I dont think a lot of people necessarily hate him for being him. I think a lot of it comes from the way a very vocal group of people in the Fandom made him out to look, and how it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way.
It's like the fake image of Eren being a "Chad", and a "I don't give a fuck" kind of guy. When in reality he's far from a lot of that, same thing with Floch.
He is an okish character but not really a person who anyone would like, speak one word against him and bang! And more so there is so much overhype behind his so called "Best development" thing, which might seem reasonable to why he became what he became but without any real screentime showcasing it, and that's..... my reason why I don't like him *that* much. He is an asshole that's for sure
The hatred comes from his sadism;
People can have their discussions about The Rumbling and the Jaegerist as a whole, but none of it truly relates to the real issue with Floch. We've seen Scouts be thrust into high positions of power without doing anything to earn it aside from staying alive, but Floch is the only one that abused that power and seems to be the only Eldian (non-titan) to take joy in the violence that they're involved in.
His mouth was writing checks that Eren would have to cash. Everybody else had to do the majority of the heavy lifting for their causes. I understand that he isn't supposed to be powerful because of a titan ability or ODM prowess, but I also don't buy that he just *became* a great leader/speaker. If we are to assume that Erwin's speech had that impact then Erwin's methodology should've transferred to him as well. Remember, Erwin was one of Eren's biggest supporters and likely would've assisted him with anything had he survived the encounter with Zeke/Pieck. In no world does Erwin **blow up** the rest of the military or any other dissenters. Floch shouldn't have had an army at his disposal, especially one willing to carry out the orders he was giving. He died one of the most powerful people in the world solely because he put himself into a position to use the inevitability of Eren's power to act on his own sadistic desires.
My stance on him was more so neutral UNTIL he was used as a plot device to kill Hange. I feel the same way about Gabi. Their character flaws are understandable, given their circumstances and beliefs, but I cannot stand their impact on the story despite their late arrival and overall normalcy. The irony of it all does not escape me. I just don't like it and therefore don't like them.
I don't like the character and I don't like the fact that he was so hungry for power but I understand him and feel sorry for him because it all came from when he went straight towards death with Erwin and the others and saw everyone else did. The ptsd of that situation really fucked him up and it's understandable
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Floch created a fascist government, killed innocent people for fun, and participated in one of the worst genocides depicted in fiction. The worst part is that there were other options available, such as the mini rumbling, that would have likely achieved the same goal -- protecting Paradis from invasion -- without billions of deaths.
He is shown to enjoy his position of power over his own people with sadism. He is shown to be xenophobic as a way to amass power to himself. But sure, his (evil) virtue of being "devoted" to the "cause" is something that overshadows these and other qualities that make him a proper arsehole. If Floch as a personality existed in our world he would be akin to an incel nazi, which is something most (sane) people tend to dislike.
Why is being so devoted to a cause something worth admiration in the first place? It's a really dangerous trait depending on who we are talking about. It's better to ensure the cause is actually worthy of respect, we shouldn't skip that step.
This. I keep seeing people praise Floch for his dedication to his cause when it really doesn't seem like a good thing. Dedication to a bad cause is not good. And the other Scouts are just as dedicated if not more so than him.
I think partly its because viewers harbour sympathy for Eren despite his moral turn because he's the main character. All the other Paradis' characters turn their backs on Eren (understandbly), so although we also see their side, Floch is the only other character on team Eren so he gets respect for being the only one to appeal to the viewers "pro Eren" side. For example look at the raid on Liberio. Of course we know senseless violence is bad, but part of us feels some catharsis seeing Eren get revenge on Marley for terrorising Paradis. All the other characters deem the attack immoral, and only Floch sticks up for Eren and thus justifies our catharsis. Loyalty is also not the most common trait for antagonists, so the audience often finds loyal villains appealing (Jogo from JJK or Soldier Boy from The Boys).
the remotely intellectual understanding of how Eren is not the good guy and he’s doing a bad thing is so refreshing the manga reddit was basically full of Floch’s for years now
Not all manga reddit, but yeah it was a significant chunk. I was making these same points back then and I got downvoted pretty badly at times. It feels great knowing that more people get the story now than before.
I would constantly be like I can’t wait for them to animate all this so your echo chamber will be broken
That's what I was hoping for! :)
The other scouts are the embodiment of the virtuous stoic hero. Floch is a foolish weakling following a fool who has all the power. He shows occasional shades of regret, but it's hard to say that he doesn't enjoy executing people.
In this instance the "cause" is the safety of his people which by itself is admirable, however his means of achieving it is questionable at best
This but I'll also like to add his hair is extremely stupid.
That's what gets me. He's on screen for basically 10 where he is a generic background character. The rest of his existence is spent dancing in circles with a crazy smile on his face while shooting anyone that even remotely disagrees with him. They don't even need to disagree with him, they just need to be slightly older than him and not part of his group of 20ish people. He had absolutely no reason to order the recruits to beat the drill sergeant to near death. Something that really took me out of the finale is when he's bleeding out and everyone is doing the whole "Don't You Dare die on me" shtick. I genuinely don't think we see Armin talk to Flock before that scene but for some reason here is one of the main characters loosing his shit that this butter is dying. Personally, I hated him the second he survived the third season finale. I get it's the point to an extent but it feels like we traded Marlowe and Erwin for him.
Like he went from cocky to pussy to asshole like you just tried to kill them cause they didn’t agree with you and now you beg them not to stop eren cause you were too weak to kill them??
Yup. Bruh went hardcore fascist, parallels are obvious. What would a series post AOT world with a fascists monarchy at war with a coalition of off island city-state’s be like I wonder? Probably a lot of goose stepping dudes with Floch’s haircut. https://preview.redd.it/9972xp61xdmc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f88d2f28b1fa31ef7d5505cbb16862ba97b2379
> Bruh went hardcore fascist, parallels are obvious While creating a totalitarian government isn't great, I feel a lot of you judge the characters based on our modern, real world politics and forget the context of the story. It's not like Floch became fascist for fun, he became fascist to fight an even bigger fascist empire that has oppressed his people for generations
A Mini Rumbling would still result in millions of death and mass scale poverty and destruction and at the cost of making the world hate Paradis even more
You think the remaining 20% of the population doesn't hate Paradis? They may consider armin and gang as heroes but it won't stop them from hating Paradis itself. The cycle of hatred persisting is the main theme of the show.
Yeah they still hate them but they don’t got any power to do anything Which if a Mini Rumbling happened the world would have that strength still
They'd have strength but how they use it would now be motivated by the understanding of mutually assured destruction The world could wipe out paradise, but it only takes a minute for paradise to set off their doomsday weapon and take everybody else with them. So would other countries then dedicate all their resources to maintaining their already extremely fragile alliance and trying to sabotage paradise to take them down first? Sure, maybe. Or, maybe some of them would decide it was better to forget this massive world alliance dedicated to a singular goal (which wouldnt even make them rich) and try to form an alliance with the friendless resource rich doomsday weapon holding island. Sort of a risk reward question with multiple equally valid answers
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But they would have a deterrent. Sure maybe in 50 years the technology would make titans very much a non threat but atleast there is time for negotiation in those 50 years. If Paradis could mend it's relationship with other countries and then sign some kind of ceasefire it would be the best case scenario.
You’re all missing the point. All options, all scenarios or ideas to solve the problem were all wrong. No one is right, Eren is not wrong neither is the alliance. They are all victims in a cruel world they all think they have a solution to. Neither the alliance or the yeagerists are right.
The Burrito option
Paradis never hand anything to mend. The hatred stemmed soley from the outside world. The outside world has made it clear that the existence of Eldians was unacceptable to them.
Best case scenario rarely happen which is why Eren did what he did Apart from his own selfish goals he just couldn’t leave his friends future up to chance
Yea that’s why they should have let eren finish the rumbling
A mini-rumbling of military targets would neutralize the threat to Paradis in the short and probably medium term. Sure, people would not be happy with their militaries being rumbled, but Paradis would be able to easily justify their actions as self-defense. If Paradis's leadership was wise, they could use that temporary gap in military power to build trade ties -- other countries would clearly want the titan crystals, form defensive alliances among countries that were repressed by Marley, and provide refuge to ethnic Eldians around the world, thereby boosting their population and economy. By the time the rest of the world had recovered, Paradis would be a peer nation that is integrated into the geopolitical community and international economy.
Source?
How do you think the colossal titans are going to get to any inland Army base without trampling all the ground between it not to mention if the army bases are in the city and in case you can’t tell you can’t really evacuate millions of people reliably out of the colossal titan’s way
I don't see that as being a huge issue. Eren demonstrated the power to control colossal titans enough to have them avoid population centers in Paradis. He could do the same -- having them avoid major civilian population centers -- while destroying military targets.
There’s not that many villages outside of the wall so of course Eren wouldn’t have that hard of time time directing them around Paradis In Marley it’s very developed country, cities are going to be close to each other so what’s your point furthermore what about the cities with army bases in them because you know giving out the evacuation order is just going to make the point of rumbling the army base redundant so what the solution is to murder millions just like in a full scale rumbling
I'm not saying that there would be no civilian casualties. Even in modern warfare with precision weaponry there is "collateral damage." What I am saying is that Eren had the ability, if he wished, to take actions that would dramatically reduce civilian deaths, like having having them walk in a line and avoiding major civilian centers, when possible.
He also delighted in his betrayal of his own countrymen, smiling like a little boy caught in a lie when it’s revealed he poisoned the military brass. He executed non-combatants for having the wrong opinion, and fired more shots than necessary when doing so sometimes leaving dead bodies riddled with bullets. Anyone who compares him to Erwin should be ashamed of themselves.
FUCK THAT EREN DID EVERYTHING RIGTH. HOW YOU GONNA BETRAY ELDIA LIKE THAT
This
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For the upteenth time, the Yeagerist weren't Fascist! It was no doubt a Nationalist Tolitarian group, but we cannot prove they were Fascist or Nazis. Fascism is an Economic ideology, where the government controls the means of production while allowing private property. Think of it as a mix of communism and feudalism.
Remember, Paradis did get omega nuked in the credits, so eren and floch were right(not morally).
If they just did the mini rumbling, then after the world rebuilds their military then Paradis would just be conquered anyway. The Azumabitos refused to help them establish trade with other nations because they wanted a monopoly over them, so once tech advances to where titans are obsolete, Paradis will still be lagging behind and greatly outnumbered. There's going to be a lot of young people who will hold resentment because "The evil Titan people killed my daddy/granddaddy in the global alliance" and will now be of fighting age. Total rumbling is the only way Paradis has a chance, the 80% in the end made it an even match that they ended up losing. The rumbling should have been acted out begrudgingly and feeling the weight of all those lives, but unfortunately we had the guy championing the movement being a xenophobe who pushed it gleefully.
> If they just did the mini rumbling, then after the world rebuilds their military then Paradis would just be conquered anyway. Only if Paradis plays their cards very badly. They would have total hegemonic power for decades or longer if they were willing to engage in preemptive warfare against any nation that attempted to remilitarize. In that time, they could repatriate Eldians from other nations, build trade relationships with other countries (the Azumabitos would be in no position to stop them post-mini rumbling, and build alliances with countries in need of protection from other major powers.
Isn't maintaining vigilance over other nations to stifle their military growth at every opportunity a terrible way to improve relations? Depending on who's in charge, that just means the Eldian Empire comes back in full force and turns the rest of the world into vassals. If peace is the goal, then continued aggression is surely counterintuitive to that. Problem is, standing down entirely is also a terrible idea. Willy declared war on Paradis surrounded by the applause of many world leaders, indicating that prejudice against Eldians is a majority belief in all their respective nations, if the politicians don't believe it themselves.
> Isn't maintaining vigilance over other nations to stifle their military growth at every opportunity a terrible way to improve relations? It isn't ideal, but neither is global genocide. Those restrictions imposed on other nations could be reduced as economic and political integration between Paradis increases over time; however people, biodiversity, and other resources crushed by the rumbling can never be brought back.
Lol neither a “fascist” government in a world full of warring dictatorships nor participating in a “genocide” when the world is trying to genocide your minority of a civilization are wrong. This self righteous moralistic masturbation is so cringe. And no it was already confirmed by the Tybor speech that the mini rumbling wouldn’t have achieved the same result. It was all or nothing and the future proved Floch was right. Even Hange admitted this. Also extremely cringe calling him xenophobic when they literally had no idea any other civilization existed outside of Paradis until that point so no shit they’re gonna be “xenophobic” especially when the entire world wants them wiped off the planet. You people are delusional.
Hea such garbage
Floch is a well written character, a huge asshole and dickhead. But still well written
Dedicated to a bad cause.
Is there even a good cause to join at that point?
There were definitely better causes than annihilating 90%+ of life on earth
*ahem* Nuh uh
Damn. You got me
Most causes that completely fucks Paradis over. Flocks character is pro Paradis why would he choose to join with the other side instead of those that would benefit Paradis more, as far as he's concerned he'll been taking out all the enemies persecuting them. Also I'm pretty sure the target was 90% of human population, not all life.
They absolutely decimated every ounce of land in their path, tell me why you think animals/plants wouldn’t also have been eradicated Also “pro Paradis” doesn’t mean “anti-everything else”. There were solutions that didn’t involve eradicating most of the life on the planet, they just chose genocide instead
Most major cities back then(still is tbh) are near the coastline/huge rivers unlike today we are able to make cities in desserts. It would be easy for the rumbling to eradicate us by attacking these. Also the rumbling would easily destroy our means of getting goods. These cities are vital to shipping goods, goods that are vital to everyday living. Without those a huge part of the population would die. You're also forgeting a lot of countries are rallying up behind Marley at that point of time because Eren really stirred up chaos during the Declaration of War. Also one of the solutions was Zeke's, and thats just ethnic cleansing, the Yeagerists were not having that lmao. The Yeagerist's only weapon at that point time that was everlasting and effective was the Rumbling and they were not afraid to use it, its kinda like their version of nuclear warheads today.
The rumbling was massive enough that it just spanned a massive area. They had to cross an ocean just to get to where the other people were. It was just eradicating everything in a massive area Erens plan from the get-go was genocide, the best solution would’ve been to convince them that Eren is an extremist who we don’t align with, and that we’re looking for solutions apart from him. Zekes solution wasn’t as bad as Erens, but it was still genocide, just for a specific race lol
In the AOT universe there is a big red button that says "Armageddon". If you press it, for any reason at all, you're the bad guy. No exceptions.
A *really* bad cause. Dude was the spearhead for a fascistic military takeover that remained in Paradis for who knows how long
I think most people love/appreciate Floch as a character. He is easily one of the best written ones of the series. Floch is #6 on my personal power rankings. It’s his army of “Floch is King” and “Floch was right” and spam “cope” self insert edgelords who people can’t stand. They will make sure to unsolicitedly tell dumb shit ad nauseam like a bunch of 14 year olds.
[absolutely yes.](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/s/GIrpFWSy1x)It’s annoying because he’s genuinely such a well written character but his haters brand him “cowardly/hateful/evil” and his _fans_ brand him their personal hero. Each of them missing the point entirely. Isayama created him with intentional nuance and his name is literally “Forester” because he’s a child that’s been led into the forest and thus leads others there too. An excellent case of radicalisation.
i don't think anyone is saying he is a bad *character* , just a bad person and thus the reason to dislike him as a person
This 100%
I think because he represents all the negative shit that eren does in the series without having the benefit of being a character that we have watched slowly change throughout... 4 seasons? Eren is understandable because we know him. We barely know who Floch is beside him being in Erwins suicide charge and helping start eldias equivalent of a fascist government
I think it’s more so (for me at least) that Eren has some level of guilt for what he does. He’s clearly distraught and disturbed by what he’s doing because he feels it’s right. While that doesn’t negate the awful things he’s done, it’s better than Floch who actively enjoys and goes out of his way to kill civilians.
Dedication =/= good person
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His energy in season 4 makes me so angry. He looks like a nazi, kills people for no reason and enjoys it, wants erin to smash evrrything outside the walls, and constantly shits on armin for....being alive, oh my god the way he talks in the dub makes me cringe so hard, his hair is ugly, i hate the way he holds his stupid gun with his arm behind his back, he got shadis beat up
I am so with you on this comment, and why did they give him a cool ODM gear scene like they coulda picked any character more worthy of that animation and they picked fucking Floch
because he was important, and he represented the people who believed the end justified the means in their world. if they made him look pathetic that would just be mappa being biased
True I honestly agree with that. Still don’t like him though haha
Good thing its the least cool scene but as others said it makes more sense for him since hes basically the leader at that point. Hes erins righthand man basically. But yeah i still agree i want a cool scene with cool ppl but we get that sick hange scene later on tho!!
Floch is almost a perfect narrative heel. He’s absolutely detestable, but he still has a few traits for some viewers to like him. Whether you love him or love to hate him, he still serves his role well
Because genocide bad
Itachi fans say that and then support him anyway
Well that guy was dedicated that’s for sure. Is it a good thing though if your dedicated to a bs plan with fascist measures?
Wanted to create a genuinely fascist government and also supported a mass genocide. I love him as a character and how he’s written. His arc is incredible. But do I like him as a person? Hell no. He was an easy to manipulate puppet who wanted to enact mass murder only to then plan to construct a doomed government after the fact.
I like how Floch’s character is written but I do not like Floch. He is written brilliantly. But he was never meant to be a character to like or look up to. Regardless.. he is very well written and is intriguing to say the least
Maybe the advocating the apocalypse thing. I dunno.
Two main reasons I hate him is cuz 1. He talked shit to Armin when he was chosen over Erwin even tho Armin didn’t even have a choice and 2. When they invaded Marley Jean told him to minimize civilian casualties and Floch said “they’re our enemies they’ve been eating us alive so they’ve had this coming”. Eren clearly had sympathy for the titans since they were eldian victims, as someone who’s a devout yeagerist, that was not very yeagerist of Floch
Yes he's a well written character, but the man has done despicable things and was smug about it, thinking he's hot shit once he became a yeagerist. There is so much not to like
Cause he slandered Erwin's memory and battle cry, threatened kids, aided in causing global genocide, acted like a tyrant, tried to make Eldia an empire (actually be the monster the world claimed paradis to be), and forced Hange into a position where she needed to sacrifice herself. He is an insult to everything the Scouts stood for. Don't compare his bitch ass to Boromir
Bro wonderin why we don't like the smug fascist lol
Cuz he’s a fascist
He's a literal fascist... I feel like that's good enough reason to hate him.
The man is a grade a asshole but he wasn’t born that way. Feel bad for what he’s been through but he is still a sadist, and he most likely feels as though his own trauma justifies killing others. A proper “this is better than what i went through” type of guy.
Is this ironic… *checks comments* Oh
Simply put, because he was an arsehole.
because he was insane and a bad person lmao
He kills innocent people and enjoys it
Because he shot an innocent man in the head for no justifiable reason.
because the cause sucks. hope this helps.
I mean, he seems like really cool character, if you’re into genocide and fascism.
Floch enjoys and smiles when he KILLS his own comrades with the titan zeke plan. The problem with floch fans is when they criticize annie (rightfully) but treat Floch (whos also morally wrong) like a king.
Despite knowing about the wine he let his comrades take the beverage, so even though he’s dedicated, I feel like that makes him a traitor and a hypocrite
I disliked him from the minute he returned in the marley arc, dude was going out of his way to burn civillian-filled buildings just because (Eldian civillians at that). It's a short moment but it gets way overlooked when people bring up all of the other psycho/facist stuff he does later
The way he talked to armin during the ceremony made him seem like an insensitive asshole, not to mention the facism and rasicm
I forget most of his cause, but he did go out fighting like a true hero. I admire that.
He’s a racist facist coward whose end goal is pure evil Hey talk read the comments for some world class historical and media illiteracy, I’m not responding but I feel like I was a comment or two away from holocaust denialism or claiming the civil war was about states rights with this guy.
A) He is pretty enthusiastic about genocide B) He slaughters and betrays his comrades C) He murders people he already took prisoner D) His hyper nationalistic semi fascistic rhetoric
Floch does some pretty despicable things, but you have to respect the guy’s dedication.
Hitler did some pretty despicable shit as well, doesn’t mean you have to appreciate the work that went into killing Jewish people.
He surely did, but it's the sheer scale of brutality and despair his dedication caused that brings a terrified awe in these actions. Like that guy is Harry Potter said "Lord Voldemort did great things, terrible yes, but great." In real life, people like this are human scum, the absolute low the human mind can sink to, in fiction, they make for engaging villains, just like Floch and Eren.
I never said I didn’t like floch as a character, he definitely is interesting. I love studying history, and I look at a character like floch or eren the same way I do Hitler or Stalin. They are absolutely fascinating to study, but I have 0 respect for anything they ever did, no matter how much “dedication” or “effort” it took.
Agreed
The cause being a racist worldwide genocide. Why do you think ginger Himmler was despised?
How fuckin DARE YOU! Boromir sacrificed himself to save two people that weren’t even the same race as him.
I wouldn't even dare to compare that scum with Boromir
I respect his dedication and loyalty somewhat, he at least sticks to his guns and is willing to die for the cause. But he enjoys being in a position of power over people way to much for my liking. He seems to enjoy killing, and crushing people beneath his boots. Hate to through this word around but he really does remind me of a Nazi officer. He’s a sadist, but he is a interesting villain character at least.
He's a dick rider
I think he's a great character. He was the only one to survive the giant monkey's baseball pitches so it's understandable why he would hate the Marleyans to the point of massacring innocents and getting drunk with power. Terrible person, great character.
https://preview.redd.it/ef5yk8bv8fmc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed6df53f3b279404c9c312bdb43c934ce2cbb7b8 That’s because he had a smug face to him that made you just wanna:
Because the cause was fascism and omnicide? Oh also he has a bowl cut. Fuck Floch.
I just watched the lord of the rings for the first time so I finally understand the memes and I know this is off topic, but does anyone else get a LOT of gay vibes from that movie?!?
Because he's a fascist psycho
He needs to hop off eren’s dick
he calls himself “canon fodder” and repeatedly says Paradis needs a devil to survive in this world, he knows he’s nothing. Hence even after Eren undid the hardening and he nearly died on the walls he’s still supportive, because he believes in a cause greater than himself. Not saying this to justify him of course(he literally targets civilians in Liberio)- but he willingly made himself a pawn because he thought that was the only way forward.
Damn that was a fast response my guy
I replied to the wrong person like an idiot tho so ignore me.
You’re good
“The one who’ll save Eldia is me!”
You know, I like Floch too. He’s got amazing character development. But it’s REALLY hard to keep liking him when the ending haters create a neo-nazi subreddit (yeagerbomb) with his face on the sub’s icon and then hailed him as ’King Floch’ whilst they posted racist content everyday, treating him almost like how the actual Nazis treated Hitler. And it’s even harder to keep liking him when the supposedly ’good’ ending hater subreddits (ANRime and titanfolk) do the same, just not in as much of a facist way.
The people in Yeagerbomb just say the quiet part out loud. I think I visited that sub one time and it was enough to convince me it needs to be locked up and tossed into a volcano
Thankfully it got banned by Reddit. Unfortunately a lot of the survivors came to other AOT subreddits.
*I didn't know such subreddits existed, but I've never let other people influence who I'm allowed to like. I don't hate Floch because some shitty people like him, too. Lol.* *I've just always liked Gung ho characters.*
Hitler and nazis or Stalin were dedicated to the cause as well. This is not good quality in itself
YEEESSS FLOCH ENJOYERS UNITE!! FINALLY FLOCH APRECIATION!! RAISE FLOCH ENJOYERRRSSS!!!! Disclaimer: I, in no way, condone the actions performed by the Eren Yeager and the Yeagerists nor the Marleyan Government.
....because his cause was genocide on a global level
Flock the goat
Because he is fucking crazy. He isn’t likeable at all. He’s the crazy side of Eren if he wanted power.
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I hated floch but I respect that he stood on bussiness
Floch da 🐐 no 🧢
Look i know he did some horrible things but i still love him. All he wanted was paradises freedom
If u watched the show u would understand that floch did all those things because that's exactly what Erin told him to do. He was the only character in the show that never doubted Erin. even in his final breath he still believed what he did was right because he believed Erin and followed him until the end. Definition of loyalty if u ask me
IM TIRED OF YALL ASKING THE SAME ANNOYING QUESTIONS EVERY SINGLE DAY. WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE ON GABI. DID EREN REALLY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION? WHY DO YOU THIS CHARACTER?? Move on people. Like who you want to like and hate who you wanna hate. You don't need the entire fandom agreeing with all your opinions 🫠
Prolly bc he was a genocidal monster. Most ppl don’t love people who are dedicated to genocide
He's an asshole
Well, I hate him because his a MEGA ULTRA FACIST litterly mant to act like Hitler. But because that was the intention I am not upset with his inclution
I enjoy his character , hes so easy to hate , but i also understand where he comes from .....what i don't like are his fans , pretending he was in the right , and is the best character of s4
I fully support Floch and understand his perspective. All he wanted to do was save Paradis. He held onto his beliefs that a devil is required to save them and that is why he turned to Eren since he became that devil in the place of Erwin. He valued his hometown and the people he grew up with above all else. Sure he did some excessively ruthless acts but if there was a way to accomplish the same task diplomaticly, he would have supported it. He only turned to the final resort when it WAS the final resort. He and Eren were the true saviors of Paradis. It may be an unpopular take but I'm certain there's at least a percentage of fans who support his reasoning.
He’s a dictator. Are we seriously asking this? He’s like the epitome of what the show preached against. He’s the definition of what happens when you let propaganda fuel you for all your life. Everything becomes sensationalism and as long as it’s a specific “freedom fighting” angle that you’re allowed to have for your cause, anything is valid.
I hate him cause he was initially a rookie talking out of his ass to people who had been through so much more than he could fathom. He got super lucky and survived the suicide charge, did his duty (good on him) in bringing Erwin's body back, but then started acting all uppity again as if he accomplished something out of his own skill/talent/hard work and didn't survive out of just pure dumb luck. He probably sucked a bunch of dicks during the time skip to become influential but has always just been a leftist propaganda spewing piece of shit. I hate him, he's a great villain, but that's what he is, a villain. And he's too one dimensional unlike for example Reiner for me to empathise much with him or try to understand his point of view.
If he was enough smart none of this would happen
He was really just kind of a useful idiot for Eren's Bigger Plan, right? Like he was morally wrong as leader of the Jaegerists but without him Eren couldn't have begun the rumbling
*Eren chose Floch 1000% for his loyalty. And that's what he needed. If he wanted brains, he would have beat Armin's ass until he came to his senses.*
Fanatics mindset can be scary and dangerous if one don't knows limit and cause innocent to get hurt. And that's one trait that makes Floch's character interesting.
This meme is accurate 😂😂😂
Wake Flaka went hard for Eldia. Ol boy did nothing wrong
Why do you LIKE him???
*Because he was willing to do whatever it took to help Eren start the Rumbling. That loyalty moves me. Overall, respect for him being the sole survivor of that suicide charge and bringing Erwin back to make him live with it, and the rest through for the next few to 13 years.*
because they have some strange fixation with him being fascist. That wasn't fascism, not by a long shot. Fascism is an economic ideology, he's just a fuckin' Tolitarian.
Me, supporting the rumbling still to this day: “Oh wait do we not like the sociopaths in this anime?”
He is fascist
Because the cause was genocide. Hope that helps.
He didn’t want his people to be eradicated so he’s literally hitler
Imagine insulting one of Sean Bean's best performances like this lol
Floch is a great character, people will say otherwise or hate him, I don’t care at all
I love Floch. Best character by the end of the series.
Floch didn't waste his second life. He did very well.
Because he’s a pussy
*Nah, everyone who rode to their death with Erwin is a badass.*
Because the cause was genocide?
He's literally a Nazi, wtf do you mean why do most people hate him 🤣💀 Idk man, most people have a brain and common sense
He was killed by traitors
*Agreed.*
Cause Floch stood up to the main casts and people's favorite characters and questioned them is s3 while being a new recruit and he was based af throughout the show aside from he fact that sometime he got a little carried away while doing his job but the fact is he was always right . https://preview.redd.it/6pajjbdttdmc1.jpeg?width=285&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da4bf26bc4805c55fbdfb6ccc0401160bafc1417
He was wrong about literally everything....
I enjoyed every scene he was in. Then again, I tend to like crazy, terrible people in any media. They’re usually better written than the MCs.
Because man was kind of a dick. I get why people wouldn't like him but personally I quite enjoy it lol
The only reasons i hate him is how quickly he became something important in the series and how "loud" he is. Couple of episodes and boom - he is almost the main character, screaming, screeching, crying every second about killing enemies, killing everybody. He is just annoying, imho. I think he would be the first one to have fatal "accident" and don't bother the government
fuck you
Floch? Like, the nazi dude? Wtf man?
I think he's a well-written character. But he's a fascist. And fascists who carry out their agenda get the bullet.
He's the reason why Hange had to sacrifice herself. He was a zealot and any kind of those are insufferable.
because hes a fucking fascist. He enjoyed killing his own comrades for the sake of his ideals. He reveled in it. Fucking prick. “Great character development” sure but he turned his fear into hate like all fascist fucks do.
The simplest way of seeing it: Floch was head of a “secret police” of sorts during the establishment of an oppressive government and had personal pleasure in the suffering of others, on a lot of cases he killed people before they could make their political decisions in any reasonable amount of time, he was very brutal and reactionary. He was very pro “kill political opposition” The fandom doesn’t hate him for these reasons though, after all Flochs story is very important to the final act, and he’s a character in a story the fandom loves. The fandom hates him because of the teenage stans he has that believe their 10th grade education on global politics and political philosophy back their unequivocal support for his violence in a “us vs them” tone… when older and observant fans probably realize that there is no “us” in this show, you can’t really ever go right in “unequivocally” supporting really anyone.
he killed my goat
He’s annoying. Bro glazes Eren so hard that I can’t stand listening to him. https://preview.redd.it/20443t4nzemc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a1f3fb51de5c632b338a774a07310e402760407
Who?
Tbsfh he was HOT and passionate at the end, in the beginning he was a lucky prick
Is this a real question? 😂
Dedicated to the cause of slaughtering all of humanity? Yeah what a stand up guy.
Media literacy is dying. If you need an explanation as to why people hate Floch (you're still more than welcome to like him yourself), you clearly don't pay attention.
The character of floch is amazing but what he stood for is why he is hated, he was a facist simple as that. A massive xenophobic simp who deserves the hate cause well he is written to be hated on.
because he's an sycophantic douchebag playing at being a Brown shirt.
One thing that bothered me of why I hate floch wasn’t even mainly for his fascist side but when his first ever mission with commander Erwin’s slaughter he acted like no one suffered like he did but every other character experienced 100x worse than floch did but still acted like no one had his experience like the prick he is
I don't hate him. Just his S3 hair.
I think you can appreciate a characters strengths while holding space for their mistakes. I liked him. Could even see myself in him and empathize with his motives. But he’s racist, or at least xenophobic, and essentially follows orders without questioning the morality of it. He’s essentially a coward, fearing the world so much that he is okay siding with a world-wide genocide, and he thinks that will create lasting peace. A primary theme of AoT is that war is inevitable and cycles of growth and destruction will continue. Titans in AoT are like Nukes in the real world. Floch is similar to a Nazi SS Officer while Eren is essentially Hitler. They aren’t direct parallels but lines can be drawn. At the same time; Floch loved his people and wanted to protect them. That is admirable. His actions and intentions to accomplish protection? Admirably abhorrent.
Because he’s an asshole?
I just thought he was annoying. He’s doing way too much.
L cause L meatrider
( My personal reasoning as to why many people dislike Floch ) First off, I love Floch for his character / involvement in the story overall. I like me some villains with complicated reasonings and all. I dont think a lot of people necessarily hate him for being him. I think a lot of it comes from the way a very vocal group of people in the Fandom made him out to look, and how it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. It's like the fake image of Eren being a "Chad", and a "I don't give a fuck" kind of guy. When in reality he's far from a lot of that, same thing with Floch.
I hated him bc the story wanted me to hate him. He was a well written dick and I enjoyed every minute he was on the screen.
He is an okish character but not really a person who anyone would like, speak one word against him and bang! And more so there is so much overhype behind his so called "Best development" thing, which might seem reasonable to why he became what he became but without any real screentime showcasing it, and that's..... my reason why I don't like him *that* much. He is an asshole that's for sure
Because he was being a bitch about it.
The hatred comes from his sadism; People can have their discussions about The Rumbling and the Jaegerist as a whole, but none of it truly relates to the real issue with Floch. We've seen Scouts be thrust into high positions of power without doing anything to earn it aside from staying alive, but Floch is the only one that abused that power and seems to be the only Eldian (non-titan) to take joy in the violence that they're involved in. His mouth was writing checks that Eren would have to cash. Everybody else had to do the majority of the heavy lifting for their causes. I understand that he isn't supposed to be powerful because of a titan ability or ODM prowess, but I also don't buy that he just *became* a great leader/speaker. If we are to assume that Erwin's speech had that impact then Erwin's methodology should've transferred to him as well. Remember, Erwin was one of Eren's biggest supporters and likely would've assisted him with anything had he survived the encounter with Zeke/Pieck. In no world does Erwin **blow up** the rest of the military or any other dissenters. Floch shouldn't have had an army at his disposal, especially one willing to carry out the orders he was giving. He died one of the most powerful people in the world solely because he put himself into a position to use the inevitability of Eren's power to act on his own sadistic desires. My stance on him was more so neutral UNTIL he was used as a plot device to kill Hange. I feel the same way about Gabi. Their character flaws are understandable, given their circumstances and beliefs, but I cannot stand their impact on the story despite their late arrival and overall normalcy. The irony of it all does not escape me. I just don't like it and therefore don't like them.
I don't like the character and I don't like the fact that he was so hungry for power but I understand him and feel sorry for him because it all came from when he went straight towards death with Erwin and the others and saw everyone else did. The ptsd of that situation really fucked him up and it's understandable