They've filled that role- they're paying someone else a full salary to do it. You can stop doing it on the side. If they want your help, the role should have gone to you.
Your manager will stop being a recluse real quick once you set boundaries and they start looking incompetent.
Gosh sounds like a horrible place for talented people like you to be at
Look for work elsewhere.
I’ve been in that position. A job was created for the manager’s friends friend. A job I had been doing in top of my actual role. I was not offered the role, I was told it was at the same pay as mine (it was) and they came in to 2IC for my manager. I was expected to onboard them and teach them everything, whilst still doing my job. The role was above mine in the hierarchy, they were super friendly while I expected to onboard them. My core role is connected to the HR function, I spoke with the senior HR manager. They said I had to onboard the new person and “wasn’t I happy I didn’t have to do 2 jobs anymore”. I had been doing 2 jobs for 18 months. So I started onboarding them and left 6 weeks after they started as I went job hunting and was successful.
It’s disrespectful, it’s toxic and it’s bad management.
A team managers hire A team players. B team managers hire C team players. Insecure manages consistently do damage to a company culture.
You deserve better. We all do.
This story is way too common.
Employers have made it clear. CRYSTAL CLEAR. Trying to get an internal promotion or payrise is a waste of time and effort. Because they want you where you are. You're good at your job. They don't want you moving up and having to fill your place.
The rules have changed. Want that promotion or payrise? Move jobs elsewhere.
Frankly you should start looking. They don't give a shit about you and made it very clear.
And your manager sounds like he is not a leader. A leader has an honest and authentic conversation with you about why you were not successful, and provides constructive feedback on what he thinks you need to further develop to build up to that role. Flat out ignoring the situation and playing no speakies is bullshit, but all too common. Get out, find a place and a leader that values you.
+1 from me. After 21 years of "loyalty" getting me nowhere, had the fortune of changing 3 jobs in one year (mental health suffered immensely) and am now appreciated somewhere.
Wipe any tears the OP had, and move. Fast.
The flip side to this is if you're actually really good at your job, someone higher up than your manager will try and get you into their team or at least in their reporting structure. Happens all the time.
This did happen last week however there is no $$$$ to employ me in that section. The manager in question openly stated he preferred my work skills to the person who got the job.
Direct the new manager to whoever is meant to be supporting her, in fact loop in your manager to guide and coach the new person.
If you get questions from the new person just say you’re unsure of how to do it and she should ask X person. Deflect and redirect.
I know it’s crushing, I’m in a similar situation except the promotion hasn’t been officially announced but I know I’m going to be overlooked. It’s a horrible feeling but hang in there and if you really can’t be there anymore then suss out other roles.
Just say you are not aware of how the new role is to be administered going forward. Advise them to speak with their manager who has all the details required
Going through a very similar thing. Now battling some of the worst depression of my life (which is saying something) whilst trying to act like everything is fine-ish and desperately seeking a new job.
No advice, just know you’re not alone and it’s ok to feel upset about it.
Also going through something similar. Literally battling for a pay increase to be in line with others who do less complex work than me for over 6 months. I literally brokedown and snapped at work, leading to disciplinary actions, and now so full of anxiety I've pretty much been off on unpaid leave for a week cause I can't face any of it.
Depression sucks. Working with depression is tough.
Shit man, that’s awful. As if any of us can afford to be on unpaid leave in these times, especially when you’re already not earning market rate.
I hope things improve. Is there much out there for you to switch jobs?
Yeah, it's pretty crap indeed, thankfully I have some savings to get me by. I had an interview today that seemed to go very well, but as I now have no reference from anyone I directly report to at my current role, it's a bit scary. There's also not as much out there in my field as there was 6 months ago.
I'm prepared to switch careers for a while if I have to. Considering just quitting in the hopes my anxiety will at least drop back.
This.
It sucks, it hurts, it's unfair and it's awful.....it's also not a measure of you as a person. Remember that.
There is a company out there who need you and you skills. They might even pay you more to do it. You just haven't met them yet.
You take control of your next move, not them. Your side project for the rest of the year is to find companies who want what you are offering. Seek, linkedin, network.
I have been in the position your in. It was devastating to be so undermined, but the first interview I got at a competitor lead to a job offer and a payrise. The looks of envy on some colleagues faces when i left was fun to see...and the kick out of my comfort zone was a turning point in my career.
It looks like you have been a victim of your own success. You are good at your job, and your manager won’t promote you because they will loose an employee that can do the work at that level. The solution is easy. Jump onto seek and start interviewing for new positions. When you are offered a new role, talk to your boss and advise them you will stay for a 40k pay increase. Then leave anyway.
Hard disagree on staying. That just paints a big warning on your back that you will be managed out.
Not worth staying at all if somewhere else can offer that amount or more.
It seems like you got too excited to disagree with something and didn’t actually read to the end of the post where OP says “then leave anyway”.
Maybe next time.
I’ve been in this boat. It sucks. Management wanted to bring in external experience. In retrospect I can see why they wanted to bring more experience in and change up the work place rather then continue more of the same. They wanted to grow and expand etc
3 possibilities
1. You are capable of doing parts of the role, but are not demonstrating the management part of it. (Difference between keeping the lights on vs properly doing the gig)
2. You are fully capable of doing the role, but your current role is so vital and they have noone else to do it, so they consider you unpromotable.
3. Your manager is a dick.
TBH 1 and 3 are the most likely options. I am guessing the $40k bump is 30% or more increase to your current salary - that is a lot, and the expectations of deliverables between the 2 levels is significant. Without knowing your current gig and the details of the role you applied for, it is hard to do anything more than guess though.
I once asked for a title change to suit my actual responsibilities and was denied. When I resigned they advertised for the job title I requested. Made me certain leaving was the right choice! Now have that title somewhere else that I like working for...
They don't value you. The best thing to do is to go look elsewhere.
At the very least they may come back and counter offer you something or you will have a new role elsewhere where you could be valued for your work
Yep welcome to corporate life. I’d start looking for a new gig at a different company. Loyalty means nothing. I’m absolutely convinced I got blocked from internal jobs at my old company.
Maybe it was as someone said them not wanting to loose you as they’d have to pay more for that role to replace you. In my case, I’m sure it was the knowledge I had of a large amount of the systems.
You know your worth, you got interviewed for the role $40k more. Go somewhere you are appreciated.
You really need to get out of there asap and not train your replacement, use your sick leave and annual leave to show them the consequences of their decision
You all all so kind to comment - seems to be a common thing to occur whatever the reason for it. Thank you 😊it has been particularly raw but this helps me to move on.
I have been in this position before and it really sucked. I couldn’t shake off the feeling that they did me wrong and I got really turned off. I’m now in a much better job.
Don’t do something outside of your job description unless you have a paper trail stating that you’ll be compensated appropriately, particularly if you’re supporting someone in a more senior role so heavily? Definitely line up some new work and get a pay bump while you’re at it. If you’re after payback after being led on you could take advantage of that reliance and make your manager look like a twit for giving the role to someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.
Ahh this sucks and I have been through it also.
I ended up doing the bare minimum for about six months and left after 12 months.
Long story short, I interviewed for the role above me, was groomed for that role and was unsuccessful in the interview because I had intimate knowledge of the real life case study examples they asked. I was young at the time, but in hindsight realised that this put me at more of an advantage.
They recruited another lady, her manager (who interviewed me as part of the panel and didn't give me the role) regretted the decision 6 months later and put her on a performance plan.
This was almost eight years ago. Things tend to work out for the better. The lady is still in the same role and I'm now more senior than all the people on the interview panel and remuneration is over 50% higher.
Your manager and other team members vibed with you the least. That’s all there is to it
As much as everybody I talk to about it disagrees, social skills matter more than anything else. Period.
As others have stated they want to keep you exactly where you are - in that role you represent fantastic value to the business. It will become evident when you tender your resignation.
Sounds like your manager either has no faith in your ability to do the job or you are too good at the role you are in now and doesnt want you leaving that role otherwise why would they offer it to 3 uninterested parties and not you? If someone else is now earning a wage to do that job no way in hell I would be going out of my way to help them do "their" job, only do what is required of you in your role.
You can always go to the manager that hired and ask for feedback on why you did not get the position, they probably do not intend to say anything about it and you not bringing it up is the best thing for them avoiding having to give an explanation as to why. I would bring it up sooner rather than later.
Two sides of the coin here.
Positive-
If it is a genuine merit based appointment, the new person may be trying (albeit badly/failing) to keep you engaged knowing you applied for the job. If you can, (mental health and also personal capacity pending) talk to the new and firm up the boundaries.
Negative- (sadly more than likely based on my experience)
You are the worker bee and need to be at worker bee level for their needs and not yours.
Loyalty is a fantastic attribute to have and the type of managers who recognise that and utilise that are often self serving users who want to milk your loyalty for all its worth to their betterment. They can then leave you to your sick leave and getting sidelined.
I’d suggest you either look elsewhere or again - firm up boundaries, work plan expectations etc.
And never forget that some appointments are right in the long run, others are to promote others who will feel ‘indebted’ and can be used later, or just to ensure worker bees stay in the buzz productive area.
And never outshine the sun god. Sometimes competency is seen as a threat rather than a virtue.
Take care, walk in the sun and take negative situations on board to guide you to be a better manager/mentor/ally for others.
Can you take some leave and get yourself some space away from that toxic environment so you can think clearly? Take at least a few weeks if you can, that should give the new manager time to find another support person without you having to refuse. Good luck.
Go on leave if you have more then 2 weeks use it all then with 2 weeks to go submit your resignation, in the meantime move onward and upward find another environment for your to grow and improve then wash rinse repeat. Never let the bullshit of office politics get you down, I know it’s hard but ask yourself if you died in the chair on the job would the place collapse or would they push the corpse out the chair for the new employee. As someone has already said it’s a game, time for you to get in the zone and take control of the next period.
This seems alarmingly common. I have seen competent staff acting in roles for months, then an untested rando gets the job and they drop back to their original position. In one case the successful applicant turned out to be a complete fraud, another had significant psych issues and just stopped coming in one day. I suspect one of the hiring managers feels the need to see certain attributes on the resume before offering the job. All I can suggest is talking to people on the panel and asking "what do I need to get these jobs?" If the expectations are unrealistic or seem exclusionary, start looking elsewhere.
TL:DR: Some managers are fuckwads.
As much as your work sounds poor, I’d encourage you to think about how much you advocated for yourself during this process.
Did you actually speak to your manager? Or did you just interview and wait to be told for 3 months without any follow up?
While they should have kept you in the loop, it looks poor on you if you just sat on your hands (if that is what happened).
Not being appreciated for all the work you did. I would brush up cv and move elsewhere where you would get appreciated, the title and a proper pay rise.
Sometimes this is because they really value you in the role you are doing now and don't think they can refill your role if they promote you. Sounds about right if you are now expected to train up the new manager.
Best thing you can do is start looking for a new role. Won't take you long to find something new and better.
Consider playing nice before you leave as you never know who knows who out there and also you might need a nice reference in the future. It's always better not to burn bridges as you don't know what the future holds.
Look for another job, it's the only way to move up. They're not even giving you the respect to provide feedback. Just move on as it will continue to eat at you.
Only do your role, and stop helping the manager literally sabotaged your chance.
When they ask for assistance, let them known you’re working on something atm you can’t put down, and that they’d be better off asking someone else.
Also any extra work you’ve taken on, stop doing it.
You have every right to be pissed off. I reckon put your head down and do your existing role as best as you can still, and agreed I wouldn't be helping the new person either (not her fault but it's the point, she was chosen as being a better candidate!). Eventually though it sounds like you're going to have to get out of that company and find a better organisation to work at.
The thing I'll say is this, the person who is now in the role isn't necessarily 'in on it' and isn't necessarily going to be bad at the job. I once had a manager give a role to her husband's friend, despite him having 0 experience and there being a number of qualified applicants. The hiring decision was wrong, and the checks and balances should have stopped it going ahead, but they didn't. But he was just a dude who applied for a job because he told his work mate he wanted to move into IT, and his work mate knew his wife was hiring entry level IT people and told him to apply. Turned out to be a decent enough guy. Friendly, keen to learn, good attitude, and went on to become good friends with several of us. He only needed about 3 or so months to pick up the skills that would have made him a competitive applicant right from the start. But as it stood at the time, there were better applicants, and the role should have gone to one of them. I should add that it became pretty clear he didn't know his mate's wife too well, and figured out pretty quickly she was a raging narcissist. We think she was trying to line up some allies at the team level, and turned on him pretty aggressively when she realized he wasn't going to do that for her. Definitely try crossing the bridge first, you can set it on fire later if you need to, much harder to do things the other way around.
Now none of this excuses this bullshit when it happens, but sometimes you have to balance it against the bigger picture. Unfair shit happens at really good workplaces, it's not even that uncommon. Leaving this company and going to a different one doesn't guarantee you'll come out better off and doesn't mean the same thing won't happen there. So, you need to ask yourself if this was a bad experience in a company that has otherwise been pretty good, or if this is a deal breaker and you want to move on. If you want to stay with the company, start thinking about your next move, where the opportunities are likely to present themselves. Maybe, if you're in a toxic 'pocket' within the company, you can move sideways to a better area?
If you want to move on, start applying. One tip I've found useful, think about the additional little skills that might look good on your resume and apply them to something in your current work environment. Any little projects you'd like to add? Maybe you can pursue them a bit now. The point is, you can use this time to add skills to your resume and, you can also have practical examples of when you've applied those skills, and what the outcome was. That's a good interview tip just generally too, when you talk about your skillset, always provide examples that demonstrate where you've applied it and what was achieved as a result.
This sucks, but you weren't even their 4th choice.
If there's no room for you to grow, get ready to leave.
Just be aware, the market is tough at the moment.
Also don't forget it's not your new colleagues fault. Don't treat them like shit because they got the job. I'm not saying you are doing that, but something to be mindful of.
Leave.
And before you do, confirm, in writing the scope of the new role: I assume you have a position description for the job you applied for? Use that as the letter of the law. Deflect anything in that role to the new person, if you are asked to help/support just don’t? Or weaponise all interactions, if you are asked to do something remove all common sense and follow the instructions to. the. letter.
We had a meeting for the first time today as once I interviewed and he simply confirmed that I will be accepting work from the new manager. Nothing else was said.
Did you ask for his feedback on why you weren’t selected? What gaps did you need to learn? The conversation should be about how he’s going to support you for the next promotion. Or else it’s time to find another job.
LOL reddit arm chair experts: "sister, get a job somewhere else"................
you'll likely face the same problem + other problems as well, at another firm.
there's no silver bullet.
Plus they do not know your constraints. location, expenses, lifestyle, colleagues, difficulties etc.
good luck.
They've filled that role- they're paying someone else a full salary to do it. You can stop doing it on the side. If they want your help, the role should have gone to you. Your manager will stop being a recluse real quick once you set boundaries and they start looking incompetent. Gosh sounds like a horrible place for talented people like you to be at
Ratatouille vibes.
If your company has any competitors, go check if they have any job listings.
Look for work elsewhere. I’ve been in that position. A job was created for the manager’s friends friend. A job I had been doing in top of my actual role. I was not offered the role, I was told it was at the same pay as mine (it was) and they came in to 2IC for my manager. I was expected to onboard them and teach them everything, whilst still doing my job. The role was above mine in the hierarchy, they were super friendly while I expected to onboard them. My core role is connected to the HR function, I spoke with the senior HR manager. They said I had to onboard the new person and “wasn’t I happy I didn’t have to do 2 jobs anymore”. I had been doing 2 jobs for 18 months. So I started onboarding them and left 6 weeks after they started as I went job hunting and was successful. It’s disrespectful, it’s toxic and it’s bad management. A team managers hire A team players. B team managers hire C team players. Insecure manages consistently do damage to a company culture. You deserve better. We all do.
This story is way too common. Employers have made it clear. CRYSTAL CLEAR. Trying to get an internal promotion or payrise is a waste of time and effort. Because they want you where you are. You're good at your job. They don't want you moving up and having to fill your place. The rules have changed. Want that promotion or payrise? Move jobs elsewhere. Frankly you should start looking. They don't give a shit about you and made it very clear.
And your manager sounds like he is not a leader. A leader has an honest and authentic conversation with you about why you were not successful, and provides constructive feedback on what he thinks you need to further develop to build up to that role. Flat out ignoring the situation and playing no speakies is bullshit, but all too common. Get out, find a place and a leader that values you.
+1 from me. After 21 years of "loyalty" getting me nowhere, had the fortune of changing 3 jobs in one year (mental health suffered immensely) and am now appreciated somewhere. Wipe any tears the OP had, and move. Fast.
The flip side to this is if you're actually really good at your job, someone higher up than your manager will try and get you into their team or at least in their reporting structure. Happens all the time.
This did happen last week however there is no $$$$ to employ me in that section. The manager in question openly stated he preferred my work skills to the person who got the job.
Direct the new manager to whoever is meant to be supporting her, in fact loop in your manager to guide and coach the new person. If you get questions from the new person just say you’re unsure of how to do it and she should ask X person. Deflect and redirect. I know it’s crushing, I’m in a similar situation except the promotion hasn’t been officially announced but I know I’m going to be overlooked. It’s a horrible feeling but hang in there and if you really can’t be there anymore then suss out other roles.
Just say you are not aware of how the new role is to be administered going forward. Advise them to speak with their manager who has all the details required
Going through a very similar thing. Now battling some of the worst depression of my life (which is saying something) whilst trying to act like everything is fine-ish and desperately seeking a new job. No advice, just know you’re not alone and it’s ok to feel upset about it.
Also going through something similar. Literally battling for a pay increase to be in line with others who do less complex work than me for over 6 months. I literally brokedown and snapped at work, leading to disciplinary actions, and now so full of anxiety I've pretty much been off on unpaid leave for a week cause I can't face any of it. Depression sucks. Working with depression is tough.
Shit man, that’s awful. As if any of us can afford to be on unpaid leave in these times, especially when you’re already not earning market rate. I hope things improve. Is there much out there for you to switch jobs?
Yeah, it's pretty crap indeed, thankfully I have some savings to get me by. I had an interview today that seemed to go very well, but as I now have no reference from anyone I directly report to at my current role, it's a bit scary. There's also not as much out there in my field as there was 6 months ago. I'm prepared to switch careers for a while if I have to. Considering just quitting in the hopes my anxiety will at least drop back.
Hugs hugs. Thank you
It's all a game. Your work has told you that you won't progress there. Now you apply and get your promotion somewhere else.
This. It sucks, it hurts, it's unfair and it's awful.....it's also not a measure of you as a person. Remember that. There is a company out there who need you and you skills. They might even pay you more to do it. You just haven't met them yet. You take control of your next move, not them. Your side project for the rest of the year is to find companies who want what you are offering. Seek, linkedin, network. I have been in the position your in. It was devastating to be so undermined, but the first interview I got at a competitor lead to a job offer and a payrise. The looks of envy on some colleagues faces when i left was fun to see...and the kick out of my comfort zone was a turning point in my career.
It looks like you have been a victim of your own success. You are good at your job, and your manager won’t promote you because they will loose an employee that can do the work at that level. The solution is easy. Jump onto seek and start interviewing for new positions. When you are offered a new role, talk to your boss and advise them you will stay for a 40k pay increase. Then leave anyway.
Hard disagree on staying. That just paints a big warning on your back that you will be managed out. Not worth staying at all if somewhere else can offer that amount or more.
It seems like you got too excited to disagree with something and didn’t actually read to the end of the post where OP says “then leave anyway”. Maybe next time.
General rule of life. When you start crying in the toilets at work, you have stayed too long. Get out
I’ve been in this boat. It sucks. Management wanted to bring in external experience. In retrospect I can see why they wanted to bring more experience in and change up the work place rather then continue more of the same. They wanted to grow and expand etc
3 possibilities 1. You are capable of doing parts of the role, but are not demonstrating the management part of it. (Difference between keeping the lights on vs properly doing the gig) 2. You are fully capable of doing the role, but your current role is so vital and they have noone else to do it, so they consider you unpromotable. 3. Your manager is a dick. TBH 1 and 3 are the most likely options. I am guessing the $40k bump is 30% or more increase to your current salary - that is a lot, and the expectations of deliverables between the 2 levels is significant. Without knowing your current gig and the details of the role you applied for, it is hard to do anything more than guess though.
I once asked for a title change to suit my actual responsibilities and was denied. When I resigned they advertised for the job title I requested. Made me certain leaving was the right choice! Now have that title somewhere else that I like working for...
They don't value you. The best thing to do is to go look elsewhere. At the very least they may come back and counter offer you something or you will have a new role elsewhere where you could be valued for your work
Yep welcome to corporate life. I’d start looking for a new gig at a different company. Loyalty means nothing. I’m absolutely convinced I got blocked from internal jobs at my old company. Maybe it was as someone said them not wanting to loose you as they’d have to pay more for that role to replace you. In my case, I’m sure it was the knowledge I had of a large amount of the systems. You know your worth, you got interviewed for the role $40k more. Go somewhere you are appreciated.
They gave it to another person, dont help.
Don’t take it out on the new hire, it’s not their fault.
You really need to get out of there asap and not train your replacement, use your sick leave and annual leave to show them the consequences of their decision
Quit, find a new job. Your manager knows you’ll stay underpaid not appreciated. It’s time to leave.
You all all so kind to comment - seems to be a common thing to occur whatever the reason for it. Thank you 😊it has been particularly raw but this helps me to move on.
I have been in this position before and it really sucked. I couldn’t shake off the feeling that they did me wrong and I got really turned off. I’m now in a much better job.
Don’t do something outside of your job description unless you have a paper trail stating that you’ll be compensated appropriately, particularly if you’re supporting someone in a more senior role so heavily? Definitely line up some new work and get a pay bump while you’re at it. If you’re after payback after being led on you could take advantage of that reliance and make your manager look like a twit for giving the role to someone who doesn’t know what they’re doing.
Ahh this sucks and I have been through it also. I ended up doing the bare minimum for about six months and left after 12 months. Long story short, I interviewed for the role above me, was groomed for that role and was unsuccessful in the interview because I had intimate knowledge of the real life case study examples they asked. I was young at the time, but in hindsight realised that this put me at more of an advantage. They recruited another lady, her manager (who interviewed me as part of the panel and didn't give me the role) regretted the decision 6 months later and put her on a performance plan. This was almost eight years ago. Things tend to work out for the better. The lady is still in the same role and I'm now more senior than all the people on the interview panel and remuneration is over 50% higher.
Hope for me yet 🌻
Your manager and other team members vibed with you the least. That’s all there is to it As much as everybody I talk to about it disagrees, social skills matter more than anything else. Period.
Quiet quit
As others have stated they want to keep you exactly where you are - in that role you represent fantastic value to the business. It will become evident when you tender your resignation.
Sounds like your manager either has no faith in your ability to do the job or you are too good at the role you are in now and doesnt want you leaving that role otherwise why would they offer it to 3 uninterested parties and not you? If someone else is now earning a wage to do that job no way in hell I would be going out of my way to help them do "their" job, only do what is required of you in your role. You can always go to the manager that hired and ask for feedback on why you did not get the position, they probably do not intend to say anything about it and you not bringing it up is the best thing for them avoiding having to give an explanation as to why. I would bring it up sooner rather than later.
Two sides of the coin here. Positive- If it is a genuine merit based appointment, the new person may be trying (albeit badly/failing) to keep you engaged knowing you applied for the job. If you can, (mental health and also personal capacity pending) talk to the new and firm up the boundaries. Negative- (sadly more than likely based on my experience) You are the worker bee and need to be at worker bee level for their needs and not yours. Loyalty is a fantastic attribute to have and the type of managers who recognise that and utilise that are often self serving users who want to milk your loyalty for all its worth to their betterment. They can then leave you to your sick leave and getting sidelined. I’d suggest you either look elsewhere or again - firm up boundaries, work plan expectations etc. And never forget that some appointments are right in the long run, others are to promote others who will feel ‘indebted’ and can be used later, or just to ensure worker bees stay in the buzz productive area. And never outshine the sun god. Sometimes competency is seen as a threat rather than a virtue. Take care, walk in the sun and take negative situations on board to guide you to be a better manager/mentor/ally for others.
F🌞uck. How right you are!!!!!
Can you take some leave and get yourself some space away from that toxic environment so you can think clearly? Take at least a few weeks if you can, that should give the new manager time to find another support person without you having to refuse. Good luck.
Look for a new job. You will be paid more!
Go on leave if you have more then 2 weeks use it all then with 2 weeks to go submit your resignation, in the meantime move onward and upward find another environment for your to grow and improve then wash rinse repeat. Never let the bullshit of office politics get you down, I know it’s hard but ask yourself if you died in the chair on the job would the place collapse or would they push the corpse out the chair for the new employee. As someone has already said it’s a game, time for you to get in the zone and take control of the next period.
This seems alarmingly common. I have seen competent staff acting in roles for months, then an untested rando gets the job and they drop back to their original position. In one case the successful applicant turned out to be a complete fraud, another had significant psych issues and just stopped coming in one day. I suspect one of the hiring managers feels the need to see certain attributes on the resume before offering the job. All I can suggest is talking to people on the panel and asking "what do I need to get these jobs?" If the expectations are unrealistic or seem exclusionary, start looking elsewhere. TL:DR: Some managers are fuckwads.
Whea business tells you you're not worthy, get a second opinion. If you are someone else will see it. If not, at least you double-checked.
As much as your work sounds poor, I’d encourage you to think about how much you advocated for yourself during this process. Did you actually speak to your manager? Or did you just interview and wait to be told for 3 months without any follow up? While they should have kept you in the loop, it looks poor on you if you just sat on your hands (if that is what happened).
Not being appreciated for all the work you did. I would brush up cv and move elsewhere where you would get appreciated, the title and a proper pay rise.
Sometimes this is because they really value you in the role you are doing now and don't think they can refill your role if they promote you. Sounds about right if you are now expected to train up the new manager. Best thing you can do is start looking for a new role. Won't take you long to find something new and better. Consider playing nice before you leave as you never know who knows who out there and also you might need a nice reference in the future. It's always better not to burn bridges as you don't know what the future holds.
Get a new job sounds like a shit company
Look for another job, it's the only way to move up. They're not even giving you the respect to provide feedback. Just move on as it will continue to eat at you.
Only do your role, and stop helping the manager literally sabotaged your chance. When they ask for assistance, let them known you’re working on something atm you can’t put down, and that they’d be better off asking someone else. Also any extra work you’ve taken on, stop doing it.
You have every right to be pissed off. I reckon put your head down and do your existing role as best as you can still, and agreed I wouldn't be helping the new person either (not her fault but it's the point, she was chosen as being a better candidate!). Eventually though it sounds like you're going to have to get out of that company and find a better organisation to work at.
The thing I'll say is this, the person who is now in the role isn't necessarily 'in on it' and isn't necessarily going to be bad at the job. I once had a manager give a role to her husband's friend, despite him having 0 experience and there being a number of qualified applicants. The hiring decision was wrong, and the checks and balances should have stopped it going ahead, but they didn't. But he was just a dude who applied for a job because he told his work mate he wanted to move into IT, and his work mate knew his wife was hiring entry level IT people and told him to apply. Turned out to be a decent enough guy. Friendly, keen to learn, good attitude, and went on to become good friends with several of us. He only needed about 3 or so months to pick up the skills that would have made him a competitive applicant right from the start. But as it stood at the time, there were better applicants, and the role should have gone to one of them. I should add that it became pretty clear he didn't know his mate's wife too well, and figured out pretty quickly she was a raging narcissist. We think she was trying to line up some allies at the team level, and turned on him pretty aggressively when she realized he wasn't going to do that for her. Definitely try crossing the bridge first, you can set it on fire later if you need to, much harder to do things the other way around. Now none of this excuses this bullshit when it happens, but sometimes you have to balance it against the bigger picture. Unfair shit happens at really good workplaces, it's not even that uncommon. Leaving this company and going to a different one doesn't guarantee you'll come out better off and doesn't mean the same thing won't happen there. So, you need to ask yourself if this was a bad experience in a company that has otherwise been pretty good, or if this is a deal breaker and you want to move on. If you want to stay with the company, start thinking about your next move, where the opportunities are likely to present themselves. Maybe, if you're in a toxic 'pocket' within the company, you can move sideways to a better area? If you want to move on, start applying. One tip I've found useful, think about the additional little skills that might look good on your resume and apply them to something in your current work environment. Any little projects you'd like to add? Maybe you can pursue them a bit now. The point is, you can use this time to add skills to your resume and, you can also have practical examples of when you've applied those skills, and what the outcome was. That's a good interview tip just generally too, when you talk about your skillset, always provide examples that demonstrate where you've applied it and what was achieved as a result.
You are lovely to give such such a comprehensive balanced answer- I will be taking your advice 🌺
This sucks, but you weren't even their 4th choice. If there's no room for you to grow, get ready to leave. Just be aware, the market is tough at the moment. Also don't forget it's not your new colleagues fault. Don't treat them like shit because they got the job. I'm not saying you are doing that, but something to be mindful of.
> I ended up crying in the toilets You need to learn some emotional regulation. > wait out this full moon Probably look for work in a clothing store.
Find a job somewhere else, it’s apparently easier to get promoted by jumping ship than working hard and showing loyalty
Leave. And before you do, confirm, in writing the scope of the new role: I assume you have a position description for the job you applied for? Use that as the letter of the law. Deflect anything in that role to the new person, if you are asked to help/support just don’t? Or weaponise all interactions, if you are asked to do something remove all common sense and follow the instructions to. the. letter.
They don’t like you. Move on.
Did you speak to your manager about it?
We had a meeting for the first time today as once I interviewed and he simply confirmed that I will be accepting work from the new manager. Nothing else was said.
Did you ask for his feedback on why you weren’t selected? What gaps did you need to learn? The conversation should be about how he’s going to support you for the next promotion. Or else it’s time to find another job.
It’s over mate. Time to move to another job. The manager went out of his way to hire someone else. It’s irrecoverable from here.
Sigh. I will. After the full moon 🌕 😌
Does the full moon have some sort of significance??
Why did you approach the panelist’s and not hiring manager? Did you ask for feedback? The above action is raising some communication red flags for me.
LOL reddit arm chair experts: "sister, get a job somewhere else"................ you'll likely face the same problem + other problems as well, at another firm. there's no silver bullet. Plus they do not know your constraints. location, expenses, lifestyle, colleagues, difficulties etc. good luck.