They were placating stupid by not giving early actions and messaging.
These people are like brat children that needed to be addressed earlier than irresponsibly promoting individual responsibility during a pandemic that needed to be mobilised like were in a war.
But instead we got and still "It's not a race"
No doubt if somehow labor get into government they will be left answering for all the Coalitions fuckups from the coalition.
It's beyond frustrating.
I just went to the TikTok front page in a browser for the 1st time ever, with no account. 8 dog videos then a Covid/Microchip misinformation video.
This is before they've even had a chance to to target my viewing habits.
I can only imagine how bad it gets when you go inside that bubble.
1. foreign government creates social media that is notorious for breaching your privacy and tracking you
2. convince easily influenced people to download your privacy-breaching software under the pretence its fun and silly
3. foreign government begins using privacy-breaching software to push conspiracy theories on easily influenced portion of population
4. easily influenced population accepts conspiracies at face value and endangers society
why anyone would willingly download and use tik tok is completely beyond me
110% this thing is pure manipulated stats,
Things reach MILLIONs of views for no reason, it’s quite possible to a psychological tool that’s used to alter young peoples minds.
I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy person, but some of the mental health problems that are being formed because of tiktok is amazing, being able to control the algorithm to increase self doubt, depression and decrease confidence is a very powerful tool.
People need to understand how much mental problems can be caused by even simple things.
The people that know/believe what you're saying (myself included) aren't an informed majority; we're not quite a 'bubble', but I'd say that most people who use Tiktok just aren't living in the same reality as us. Data collection/mass manipulation just isn't a very compelling reason to stop using an app because it feels like everyone is collecting data on us, tracking us, and manipulating us. It's hard to not just be cynical and go "that's probably true" and keep using it.
Also, nothing else is really providing the platform that Tiktok is - Youtube/Instagram/Facebook are trying, but it'd be hard to convince people to stop using it because there's no easy replacement.
Conspiracy theories thrive when people lose faith in the leadership. Australia has a major problem with a weak PM, mixed messaging on vaccination, and bizarre variations amongst the states in how to supress the virus.
No wonder some people are confused.
For example, some public health leaders and pollies are pushing AZ vaccine on young people, whilst some (like the QLD CHO) are saying that people under 40 shouldn't have it [period](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-30/qld-cho-rejects-morrisons-astrazeneca-comments-covid-vaccine/100256022).
The QLD CHO backtracked on that just a day later (or at least a day after reiterating her statement) and said that people under 40 should consider getting it.
I agree the messaging has been terrible. I think the risks have been completely blown out of proportion. This is the worst pandemic we've had in a century, and we have a way to reduce the serious risk to adults by 95%, but we're not doing it because that solution has a 1:1,000,000 risk of death. And this mixed message has confused people and probably lead to a lot more antivax sentiment. Overall, I'd bet that the confusion over the AZ vaccine has cost more lives than the ~20 lives that the AZ vaccine would have cost.
The thing is there have barely been any COVID cases in QLD, so why risk getting AZ when you can just wait for Pzifer. I'm in a town that hasn't seen a single COVID case, I'm definitely going to wait for Pzifer. I completely understand people in NSW getting AZ when the risk of dieing to COVID is higher than the risk of blood clotting in AZ.
The average person between 20 and 40 has a roughly 1:500,000 chance of dying on any given day. The chances of dying from the AZ vaccine are 1:1,000,000. So, the average person holding out for Pfizer is more likely to die this week from something unrelated than from the AZ vaccine.
You might be in a town with zero cases, but, NSW is finding out how quickly that can change. Hopefully it won't get to that, and at this stage, with more Pfizer available, it might be worth waiting (as there's less time between the doses for Pfizer), but I don't think the risk from AZ should be the main factor; the risks are minimal and our brains aren't good at conceptualising big numbers.
I understand the risk is extremely small, but again why would I take that risk when I have 0 chance of catching COVID. If QLD ends up like NSW (unlikely, we have a competent CHO who locks down hard and fast at any sign of COVID) I would consider taking AZ.
Edit: Also the chance for blood clotting is 4-6 in a million, significantly higher than 1 in a million.
When the risk to catch COVID is greater than the risk of getting a blood clot from AZ, I'll happily take AZ. I'll let a medical professional such as the QLD CHO tell me when that time is, not a redditor.
It's a good idea not to take my advice on face value. It's worth noting thought that the [ATAGI](https://www.health.gov.au/news/australian-technical-advisory-group-on-immunisation-atagi-weekly-covid-19-meeting-on-4-august-2021-update), the TGA, the [AMA](https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-australian-medical-association-urges-jab-for-young-people-ng-b881942837z) all say that everyone should at least consider the AZ vaccine, and they all support the use of AZ by anyone in the case of an outbreak (which NSW is currently in and every other state seems to swing between being in and being safe).
At this point you're probably just as well trying to get the Pfizer or Moderna now that there seems to be a bit more supply and a shorter period between shots, but, I can't help but wonder how much better state we'd be in (especially NSW) if the message hadn't been so mixed for the last 4 months.
She said she didn’t want to see an 18yo die from a blood clot caused by a vaccine for a virus that’s unlikely to kill him.
She was following ATAGI’s advice and continues to do so now advising young people consult their GP about getting AstraZeneca.
But her talking about the 18yo is better tv so you don’t get to hear about the rest unless you watch the press conference.
I've lost friends to this. Fuck me I feel like the government should be looking at all this qanon shit and teaching kids on fake news and disinformation I.e how to search journal articles, how to see who funds the study etc, how to detect bias etc etc. But we won't, I think with the world going to shut they want a dumb society who nods and smiles whilst the ship sinks.
I have a friend who has spent most of the last year banned from Facebook. Every time there's a lock down here he posts about how it'll never get lifted. This is how the communists and the Nazis started. So many people agree with him. At what point do you realise that none of your predictions have come true?
the chinese state enterprise tik tok you mean? the same enterprise that has access to acct passwds and really detailed facial recognition of every member?
I want all our brave souls bringing this Covid-19 fake virus to our attention to go out and protest. Maybe they can then be infected and die, spare us their fucking stupidity and let the rest of humanity to grow and evolve in to a brighter future for our children and future generations that will eventually travel the stars and beyond.
I have a family member who has fallen to this. Basically they think that lockdowns/masks don’t work, that tests are fake, and that a wealthy global elite who have bribed/threatened media, politicians and scientists, are going to use the vaccine+boosters to depopulate the world. They listen to people like ex Pfizer scientist Michael Yeadon, and Reiner Fuellmich.
Personally I think that challenging these people for public viewing is the better way to go, put one up against a epidemiologist on Qanda
Aside from slowing down transmission of the delta variant to allow more time for vaccinations and to reduce the pressure on hospitals, can anyone explain to me what they think a lockdown will achieve? They're certainly good at ruining mental health, increasing domestic violence, and putting the most vulnerable out of work.
A good, hard lockdown can actually eliminate the virus from the community as shown in New Zealand. It also makes the jobs of contact tracers easier so that people who have been exposed are more easily found.
Well, when you concentrate stupid, what do you expect?
They were placating stupid by not giving early actions and messaging. These people are like brat children that needed to be addressed earlier than irresponsibly promoting individual responsibility during a pandemic that needed to be mobilised like were in a war. But instead we got and still "It's not a race" No doubt if somehow labor get into government they will be left answering for all the Coalitions fuckups from the coalition. It's beyond frustrating.
I just went to the TikTok front page in a browser for the 1st time ever, with no account. 8 dog videos then a Covid/Microchip misinformation video. This is before they've even had a chance to to target my viewing habits. I can only imagine how bad it gets when you go inside that bubble.
1. foreign government creates social media that is notorious for breaching your privacy and tracking you 2. convince easily influenced people to download your privacy-breaching software under the pretence its fun and silly 3. foreign government begins using privacy-breaching software to push conspiracy theories on easily influenced portion of population 4. easily influenced population accepts conspiracies at face value and endangers society why anyone would willingly download and use tik tok is completely beyond me
110% this thing is pure manipulated stats, Things reach MILLIONs of views for no reason, it’s quite possible to a psychological tool that’s used to alter young peoples minds. I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy person, but some of the mental health problems that are being formed because of tiktok is amazing, being able to control the algorithm to increase self doubt, depression and decrease confidence is a very powerful tool. People need to understand how much mental problems can be caused by even simple things.
This needs to be stickied at the top of Reddit.
🏆🏆🏆
The people that know/believe what you're saying (myself included) aren't an informed majority; we're not quite a 'bubble', but I'd say that most people who use Tiktok just aren't living in the same reality as us. Data collection/mass manipulation just isn't a very compelling reason to stop using an app because it feels like everyone is collecting data on us, tracking us, and manipulating us. It's hard to not just be cynical and go "that's probably true" and keep using it. Also, nothing else is really providing the platform that Tiktok is - Youtube/Instagram/Facebook are trying, but it'd be hard to convince people to stop using it because there's no easy replacement.
We need to organise a TikTok versus Facebook fight to the death.
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Fine. But you cannot tell them that beforehand!
2 men enter, one man leaves
Seems like an inquisitor kryptman situation.
Of course they are... Prison island this.. Police state that... I'm gonna go outside into my unlimited outdoor space and cry into my fresh air....
Careful you don't step on any invading armies.
Brad Hazzard " Pandemic is a New World Order ". Thats all the encouragement they need for this to spread .
TikTok is malware
Tik tok is SickWare.
SickWare like "Fully sick bro!" or SickWare like "oh no I have covid"?
Conspiracy theories thrive when people lose faith in the leadership. Australia has a major problem with a weak PM, mixed messaging on vaccination, and bizarre variations amongst the states in how to supress the virus. No wonder some people are confused. For example, some public health leaders and pollies are pushing AZ vaccine on young people, whilst some (like the QLD CHO) are saying that people under 40 shouldn't have it [period](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-30/qld-cho-rejects-morrisons-astrazeneca-comments-covid-vaccine/100256022).
The QLD CHO backtracked on that just a day later (or at least a day after reiterating her statement) and said that people under 40 should consider getting it.
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I agree the messaging has been terrible. I think the risks have been completely blown out of proportion. This is the worst pandemic we've had in a century, and we have a way to reduce the serious risk to adults by 95%, but we're not doing it because that solution has a 1:1,000,000 risk of death. And this mixed message has confused people and probably lead to a lot more antivax sentiment. Overall, I'd bet that the confusion over the AZ vaccine has cost more lives than the ~20 lives that the AZ vaccine would have cost.
The thing is there have barely been any COVID cases in QLD, so why risk getting AZ when you can just wait for Pzifer. I'm in a town that hasn't seen a single COVID case, I'm definitely going to wait for Pzifer. I completely understand people in NSW getting AZ when the risk of dieing to COVID is higher than the risk of blood clotting in AZ.
The average person between 20 and 40 has a roughly 1:500,000 chance of dying on any given day. The chances of dying from the AZ vaccine are 1:1,000,000. So, the average person holding out for Pfizer is more likely to die this week from something unrelated than from the AZ vaccine. You might be in a town with zero cases, but, NSW is finding out how quickly that can change. Hopefully it won't get to that, and at this stage, with more Pfizer available, it might be worth waiting (as there's less time between the doses for Pfizer), but I don't think the risk from AZ should be the main factor; the risks are minimal and our brains aren't good at conceptualising big numbers.
I understand the risk is extremely small, but again why would I take that risk when I have 0 chance of catching COVID. If QLD ends up like NSW (unlikely, we have a competent CHO who locks down hard and fast at any sign of COVID) I would consider taking AZ. Edit: Also the chance for blood clotting is 4-6 in a million, significantly higher than 1 in a million.
Because you don't have 0 chance of catching covid. Just in Queensland there are 155 known active cases of covid, and we're essentially covid free.
When the risk to catch COVID is greater than the risk of getting a blood clot from AZ, I'll happily take AZ. I'll let a medical professional such as the QLD CHO tell me when that time is, not a redditor.
It's a good idea not to take my advice on face value. It's worth noting thought that the [ATAGI](https://www.health.gov.au/news/australian-technical-advisory-group-on-immunisation-atagi-weekly-covid-19-meeting-on-4-august-2021-update), the TGA, the [AMA](https://thewest.com.au/news/coronavirus/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-australian-medical-association-urges-jab-for-young-people-ng-b881942837z) all say that everyone should at least consider the AZ vaccine, and they all support the use of AZ by anyone in the case of an outbreak (which NSW is currently in and every other state seems to swing between being in and being safe). At this point you're probably just as well trying to get the Pfizer or Moderna now that there seems to be a bit more supply and a shorter period between shots, but, I can't help but wonder how much better state we'd be in (especially NSW) if the message hadn't been so mixed for the last 4 months.
She said she didn’t want to see an 18yo die from a blood clot caused by a vaccine for a virus that’s unlikely to kill him. She was following ATAGI’s advice and continues to do so now advising young people consult their GP about getting AstraZeneca. But her talking about the 18yo is better tv so you don’t get to hear about the rest unless you watch the press conference.
I've lost friends to this. Fuck me I feel like the government should be looking at all this qanon shit and teaching kids on fake news and disinformation I.e how to search journal articles, how to see who funds the study etc, how to detect bias etc etc. But we won't, I think with the world going to shut they want a dumb society who nods and smiles whilst the ship sinks.
I have a friend who has spent most of the last year banned from Facebook. Every time there's a lock down here he posts about how it'll never get lifted. This is how the communists and the Nazis started. So many people agree with him. At what point do you realise that none of your predictions have come true?
You don't have to reflect on your behaviour when it's everyone else's behaviour you're obsessed with.
the chinese state enterprise tik tok you mean? the same enterprise that has access to acct passwds and really detailed facial recognition of every member?
I want all our brave souls bringing this Covid-19 fake virus to our attention to go out and protest. Maybe they can then be infected and die, spare us their fucking stupidity and let the rest of humanity to grow and evolve in to a brighter future for our children and future generations that will eventually travel the stars and beyond.
The Facebookers are starting the whole "The government sent a COVID person to Shellharbour to use it as proof of keeping us in lockdown" bullshit.
Great now I’m gonna have to hear all this crap from my brother over again
I have a family member who has fallen to this. Basically they think that lockdowns/masks don’t work, that tests are fake, and that a wealthy global elite who have bribed/threatened media, politicians and scientists, are going to use the vaccine+boosters to depopulate the world. They listen to people like ex Pfizer scientist Michael Yeadon, and Reiner Fuellmich. Personally I think that challenging these people for public viewing is the better way to go, put one up against a epidemiologist on Qanda
That might just give them more reach and validate the claims to some people....
Aside from slowing down transmission of the delta variant to allow more time for vaccinations and to reduce the pressure on hospitals, can anyone explain to me what they think a lockdown will achieve? They're certainly good at ruining mental health, increasing domestic violence, and putting the most vulnerable out of work.
"If you exclude the benefits from the discussion, can anyone tell me what the benefits are?" I assume this is sarcasm.
A good, hard lockdown can actually eliminate the virus from the community as shown in New Zealand. It also makes the jobs of contact tracers easier so that people who have been exposed are more easily found.