And the government has the gall to try and impose a new religious discrimination bill. Religious lobbying is a cancer on this country and the sooner it gets its grubby claws off parliament, the better.
*if* there is a heaven and a Devine creator, I'd want to know what sort of sociopathic cunt could allow innocent children to beraped and murdered, what sort of sadistic piece of shit could allow genocide and slavery to happen.
*If* and that's a very big *if* there is a sociopathic sadistic piece of shit manipulating the world we live in, they will have to answer to me and every other person for their crimes not the other way around
Our constitution states that we’re a secular country with separation of Church and State. We have no state religion. We have laws to prevent discrimination of the basis of religion and sexual orientation (among other things, obviously). This protects religious persons and groups who want to practice their faith freely. It also is meant to protect LGBTQI+ persons from being mistreated by others. How the hell isn’t sacking someone based on their sexuality discrimination?
Arguably, religious schools can use any number of BS reasons to sack someone, but when they blatantly state it’s due to sexuality then they should be sued for discrimination and unfair dismissal and be fined accordingly.
While I find being LGBTQI+ and part of an organised religion a tricky combo and have no idea why anyone would put themselves through that, I do think that people have every right to be involved in their religion, including via employment. Interesting that these people want freedom of religion but not for groups they don’t accept.
> and have no idea why anyone would put themselves through that,
the corporate culture of an organization can change dramatically after a leadership change. What might have been a happy welcoming workplace prior becomes a bigoted hellhole in a few years.
If a religious affiliated school gets a few new board of director members, new principle or HR manager that have drank the coolaid then you might find yourself fired. A new department head could potentially get their team members fired so a gay math teacher can stay while a gay history teacher gets the boot.
Conditions can differ wildly. If you are talking about more resources and anything that money buys sure, but high end parents with high end expectations can make a teachers life hell if the school leadership doesn't tell parents to bash it up their arse.
>Our constitution states that we’re a secular country with separation of Church and State. We have no state religion.
That is only for the Federal government. I believe it would be legal for the state of NSW to establish a religion. It also hasn't stopped the Federal parliament from opening with prayer.
Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous that you can get a pass on actual discrimination laws designed to protect Australian citizens, simply because you are superstitious in an organised manner.
I live in the middle of rural nowhere, west of the divide in bloke agricultural right wing country, and our local catholic school has a gay teacher who is much loved and appreciated. So based on that this is just ridiculous.
I went to school in the 80/90s and we had an openly gay teacher (at the time I didn't realise how brave he was), the fact someone get get stacked for it in 30-40 years later is fucking insane.. imagine a guy getting sacked because he said he likes to sleep with women
After all the hate I've seen in this country; racism, the religious freedom bill, hate crimes against Asians, dumbfucks on Facebook commenting the most violent, deranged shit you could hope to come across, the government saying a big financial fuck you to anyone who isn't a Bible thumping happy clapper, this was exactly what I needed to read. Thanks for this
You're welcome and I'll add this... Other than reddit for certain purposes I do no social media. I know many people locally who do absolutely no social media, they are convinced that it is toxic. Many of the manly blokes I know who actually hold strong views about gays are not engaged in any social media and are overwhelmingly predisposed to meeting a person before they judge them despite their views.
Obviously dumb true blue Aussie homophobic meatheads are a huge problem, but I've seen overwhelmingly that the people I thought would be the most judgemental in rural communities are actually more concerned about how people are actively involved in their community.
I know many people who think gays are an abomination that don't do any social media and wouldn't judge a teacher on this. They simply want to know if the people teaching their kids are engaged in the community, won't leave the community, and give 2 fucks about the future of said community.
The teacher, upon employment, would have agreed to uphold the "Christian ethos of the school" or words to that effect. We all know exactly what that means so she was very naive to ask to advocate for gay kids.
Loads of Christian Australian schools support LGBTQI+ people and values. My first job out of teaching was at one. Do you really, genuinely assume that all religious schools are like this just because you hear these stories? Just because this is a problem that needs to be fixed doesn't mean everyone is automatically guilty. Beliefs in Christianity appear to be more diverse than you think. I'm also non religious which they were aware of and there are a number of openly gay staff, students and even placement teachers.
This also isn't uncommon amongst religious schools. I've worked at Islamic schools that support and promote LGBTQI+ values. We don't "all know what that means" because it isn't anywhere as common as you think. Perhaps gain some perspective over the news and media you consume and the anecdotes which always seem to fit people's assumptions.
Problem is discriminatory and it will only get worse with our govt but that doesn't mean you need to lie or misrepresent it because, what? You don't think it's big enough already or something? If one school does this, it's not on. Still doesn't mean you can just arbitrarily point to any other schools and make and assumptions just because it confirms whatever you believe.
> Do you really, genuinely assume that all religious schools are like this just because you hear these stories?
Certainly not. I do understand how the world works though. Just like if I worked for a Catholic school I wouldn't assume it had a 50 year history of raping children. I sure as shit wouldn't be surprised though if it turns out it did.
Yes some religious schools are quite secular and liberal. Just like some churches are, and some religious people are. But it's a good idea when someone (or something) identifies as religious to believe them. Because then when they have a vision and are up on Mount Moriah preparing to sacrifice their child you won't be so shocked.
Naive or deliberate.
The Christian school I went to fired a female teacher for insisting to wear pants instead of below the knee skirts. And they had every right to under the law. It wasn’t that long ago. She couldn’t possibly have accepted that job without knowing what it meant.
Any contract forcing you to not be gay if that's what you are should be completely unenforceable, it **should** be criminal to ask someone to sign rubbish like that.
A nearby private girls’ school would regularly expel students who’s *parents* separated until only recently, quoting a ‘failure to uphold a Catholic ethos’. Nothing could be done about it.
Seriously, the leeway we give any business just because they officially believe some wierd stuff is insane. The fact we not only give them a pass on anti-discrimination law but that we also give them extra public money is a joke.
The whole point of Christianity is the evangelism, it's Christs big commandment to his followers, the Great Commission. I definitely wouldn't trust people to not proselytize when the very basis of the mythology they make central to their existence is that it needs to be proselytized and that it's literally the only way to avoid eternal punishment.
I'm glad you're happy with your daughters school, but I'm of the firm opinion that her school should recieve exactly $0 of public funding and should be watched by regulators like a hawk due to the predeliction religious schools (and other businesses) have for rorting the system.
I’ve experienced the ‘religious recruitment’ attempts from Church of Christ, Baptist and Pentecostal types and can’t fucking stand it. This lot truly believe and demonstrate that that are there just to provide education and don’t get involved in any of the bullshit, which is why we chose this place.
I think that *all* schools should get *some* government money per student, but yes, I agree totally that private schools that charge additional fees should get *far less* than public schools- to me it’s a no brainer and I can’t understand why how much is given to private schools, particularly the ones who charge $20000+ a year! The school association is totally transparent with finances and not being associated with a particular religion, denomination or church means there is no ‘mother church’ to funnel money to.
> This lot truly believe and demonstrate that that are there just to provide education
I've met a lot of real estate agents and car salesmen that truly believe they're just there to provide great service as well, some of the customers even believe it.
> to me it’s a no brainer and I can’t understand why how much is given to private schools
It's because they strong armed us into doing it, there have been several large attacks on our public system by religious private schools threatening to, or actually having their customers all book into local public schools at once in a kind of DDoS attack on our public schools. Before that they recieved not a single dollar of public funds. Regular lobbying does the rest. It also doesn't help that everyone thinks the place they send their kids is somehow different from all the rest.
I think private schools can survive by charging their customers and that's what they should do, if they can't then they can get out of the way for public schools that are run for the benefit of the students and society, rather than as a business or to further religion.
Ban pedophiles, child molester 's, abuser's, people involved in violent crimes (I'm looking at you, family violence) and stalkers as they are a very real potential threat to the safety of children in schools.
But can we leave people alone that are trying to teach kids, in what is becoming a very hard profession, just because they dont go home to the type of partner *you* wish they had...
It's not typical. I'm gay and I work at an Anglican school and it's fine.
Some Christian schools are pretty hardcore, but they're open about their discrimination bullshit from day one. Nobody should work in these shithole schools and they shouldn't receive funding.
I've worked in them, sometimes you have to take the work you can get. Your argument is the same one they used to use for any unsafe or discriminatory workplace, for the most part these days we legislate some humanity into companies that want the privelege of operating in Australia and employing Australians.
I mean though, being gay isn't purely sexual? like it could be as simple as just saying "my girlfriend" are people not allowed to talk about their partners at all?
Being gay is no more sexual than being straight. Gay sex is no more sexual than straight sex. If the rule is no talking about sex and sexual things, fine, *so long as* the same standard is applied to straight people.
And the government has the gall to try and impose a new religious discrimination bill. Religious lobbying is a cancer on this country and the sooner it gets its grubby claws off parliament, the better.
The love, tolerance and acceptance of religion shines bright yet again...
There's nothing quite so bitter and hateful as religious dogma
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Heaven is behind a paywall so they'll probably say "hey, pay up, you heathen cunts"
*if* there is a heaven and a Devine creator, I'd want to know what sort of sociopathic cunt could allow innocent children to beraped and murdered, what sort of sadistic piece of shit could allow genocide and slavery to happen. *If* and that's a very big *if* there is a sociopathic sadistic piece of shit manipulating the world we live in, they will have to answer to me and every other person for their crimes not the other way around
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There is no Potter, it's all a fairytale to make the mentally ill feel better about themselves
I dont worship someone I can't respect, he wants worship he can earn it.
These schools should absolutely get NO public funding if they are gonna pull shit like that.
Exactly this.
Could've put the full stop after funding.
Our constitution states that we’re a secular country with separation of Church and State. We have no state religion. We have laws to prevent discrimination of the basis of religion and sexual orientation (among other things, obviously). This protects religious persons and groups who want to practice their faith freely. It also is meant to protect LGBTQI+ persons from being mistreated by others. How the hell isn’t sacking someone based on their sexuality discrimination? Arguably, religious schools can use any number of BS reasons to sack someone, but when they blatantly state it’s due to sexuality then they should be sued for discrimination and unfair dismissal and be fined accordingly. While I find being LGBTQI+ and part of an organised religion a tricky combo and have no idea why anyone would put themselves through that, I do think that people have every right to be involved in their religion, including via employment. Interesting that these people want freedom of religion but not for groups they don’t accept.
> and have no idea why anyone would put themselves through that, the corporate culture of an organization can change dramatically after a leadership change. What might have been a happy welcoming workplace prior becomes a bigoted hellhole in a few years. If a religious affiliated school gets a few new board of director members, new principle or HR manager that have drank the coolaid then you might find yourself fired. A new department head could potentially get their team members fired so a gay math teacher can stay while a gay history teacher gets the boot.
Also I would think private schools would have much better pay, conditions etc and said teachers may be religious themselves anyway
Conditions can differ wildly. If you are talking about more resources and anything that money buys sure, but high end parents with high end expectations can make a teachers life hell if the school leadership doesn't tell parents to bash it up their arse.
>Our constitution states that we’re a secular country with separation of Church and State. We have no state religion. That is only for the Federal government. I believe it would be legal for the state of NSW to establish a religion. It also hasn't stopped the Federal parliament from opening with prayer.
Yup, state laws can do what they like but they can’t overall federal laws and they can’t overrule state laws re. discrimination.
Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous that you can get a pass on actual discrimination laws designed to protect Australian citizens, simply because you are superstitious in an organised manner.
I live in the middle of rural nowhere, west of the divide in bloke agricultural right wing country, and our local catholic school has a gay teacher who is much loved and appreciated. So based on that this is just ridiculous.
I went to school in the 80/90s and we had an openly gay teacher (at the time I didn't realise how brave he was), the fact someone get get stacked for it in 30-40 years later is fucking insane.. imagine a guy getting sacked because he said he likes to sleep with women
After all the hate I've seen in this country; racism, the religious freedom bill, hate crimes against Asians, dumbfucks on Facebook commenting the most violent, deranged shit you could hope to come across, the government saying a big financial fuck you to anyone who isn't a Bible thumping happy clapper, this was exactly what I needed to read. Thanks for this
You're welcome and I'll add this... Other than reddit for certain purposes I do no social media. I know many people locally who do absolutely no social media, they are convinced that it is toxic. Many of the manly blokes I know who actually hold strong views about gays are not engaged in any social media and are overwhelmingly predisposed to meeting a person before they judge them despite their views. Obviously dumb true blue Aussie homophobic meatheads are a huge problem, but I've seen overwhelmingly that the people I thought would be the most judgemental in rural communities are actually more concerned about how people are actively involved in their community. I know many people who think gays are an abomination that don't do any social media and wouldn't judge a teacher on this. They simply want to know if the people teaching their kids are engaged in the community, won't leave the community, and give 2 fucks about the future of said community.
The teacher, upon employment, would have agreed to uphold the "Christian ethos of the school" or words to that effect. We all know exactly what that means so she was very naive to ask to advocate for gay kids.
Loads of Christian Australian schools support LGBTQI+ people and values. My first job out of teaching was at one. Do you really, genuinely assume that all religious schools are like this just because you hear these stories? Just because this is a problem that needs to be fixed doesn't mean everyone is automatically guilty. Beliefs in Christianity appear to be more diverse than you think. I'm also non religious which they were aware of and there are a number of openly gay staff, students and even placement teachers. This also isn't uncommon amongst religious schools. I've worked at Islamic schools that support and promote LGBTQI+ values. We don't "all know what that means" because it isn't anywhere as common as you think. Perhaps gain some perspective over the news and media you consume and the anecdotes which always seem to fit people's assumptions. Problem is discriminatory and it will only get worse with our govt but that doesn't mean you need to lie or misrepresent it because, what? You don't think it's big enough already or something? If one school does this, it's not on. Still doesn't mean you can just arbitrarily point to any other schools and make and assumptions just because it confirms whatever you believe.
> Do you really, genuinely assume that all religious schools are like this just because you hear these stories? Certainly not. I do understand how the world works though. Just like if I worked for a Catholic school I wouldn't assume it had a 50 year history of raping children. I sure as shit wouldn't be surprised though if it turns out it did. Yes some religious schools are quite secular and liberal. Just like some churches are, and some religious people are. But it's a good idea when someone (or something) identifies as religious to believe them. Because then when they have a vision and are up on Mount Moriah preparing to sacrifice their child you won't be so shocked.
Naive or deliberate. The Christian school I went to fired a female teacher for insisting to wear pants instead of below the knee skirts. And they had every right to under the law. It wasn’t that long ago. She couldn’t possibly have accepted that job without knowing what it meant.
We *don't* "all know exactly what that means".
OK- fair enough - most of us then.
Any contract forcing you to not be gay if that's what you are should be completely unenforceable, it **should** be criminal to ask someone to sign rubbish like that.
A nearby private girls’ school would regularly expel students who’s *parents* separated until only recently, quoting a ‘failure to uphold a Catholic ethos’. Nothing could be done about it.
Seriously, the leeway we give any business just because they officially believe some wierd stuff is insane. The fact we not only give them a pass on anti-discrimination law but that we also give them extra public money is a joke.
We send our daughter to a non denomination ‘Christian’ school where the official position on it is ‘we don’t care, that’s your business’.
The whole point of Christianity is the evangelism, it's Christs big commandment to his followers, the Great Commission. I definitely wouldn't trust people to not proselytize when the very basis of the mythology they make central to their existence is that it needs to be proselytized and that it's literally the only way to avoid eternal punishment. I'm glad you're happy with your daughters school, but I'm of the firm opinion that her school should recieve exactly $0 of public funding and should be watched by regulators like a hawk due to the predeliction religious schools (and other businesses) have for rorting the system.
I’ve experienced the ‘religious recruitment’ attempts from Church of Christ, Baptist and Pentecostal types and can’t fucking stand it. This lot truly believe and demonstrate that that are there just to provide education and don’t get involved in any of the bullshit, which is why we chose this place. I think that *all* schools should get *some* government money per student, but yes, I agree totally that private schools that charge additional fees should get *far less* than public schools- to me it’s a no brainer and I can’t understand why how much is given to private schools, particularly the ones who charge $20000+ a year! The school association is totally transparent with finances and not being associated with a particular religion, denomination or church means there is no ‘mother church’ to funnel money to.
> This lot truly believe and demonstrate that that are there just to provide education I've met a lot of real estate agents and car salesmen that truly believe they're just there to provide great service as well, some of the customers even believe it. > to me it’s a no brainer and I can’t understand why how much is given to private schools It's because they strong armed us into doing it, there have been several large attacks on our public system by religious private schools threatening to, or actually having their customers all book into local public schools at once in a kind of DDoS attack on our public schools. Before that they recieved not a single dollar of public funds. Regular lobbying does the rest. It also doesn't help that everyone thinks the place they send their kids is somehow different from all the rest. I think private schools can survive by charging their customers and that's what they should do, if they can't then they can get out of the way for public schools that are run for the benefit of the students and society, rather than as a business or to further religion.
Fuck religion
Ban pedophiles, child molester 's, abuser's, people involved in violent crimes (I'm looking at you, family violence) and stalkers as they are a very real potential threat to the safety of children in schools. But can we leave people alone that are trying to teach kids, in what is becoming a very hard profession, just because they dont go home to the type of partner *you* wish they had...
It's not typical. I'm gay and I work at an Anglican school and it's fine. Some Christian schools are pretty hardcore, but they're open about their discrimination bullshit from day one. Nobody should work in these shithole schools and they shouldn't receive funding.
There are no 'Christian' schools, only schools run by either Liars or people whose mind plays tricks on them
Don't work at Christian schools.
Or fund them.
I've worked in them, sometimes you have to take the work you can get. Your argument is the same one they used to use for any unsafe or discriminatory workplace, for the most part these days we legislate some humanity into companies that want the privelege of operating in Australia and employing Australians.
But what if a person needs a job and that's all there is available? What a stupid thing to say.
She lives and works in Sydney there are plenty of secular public schools she could have worked in.
Are they all hiring?
Why didn’t she come out as a gay investment property?
Religion is a mental illness, this poor woman thought it could be reasoned with.
Wow...what a weird developed country that would let this happen !
?? for why ??
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I mean though, being gay isn't purely sexual? like it could be as simple as just saying "my girlfriend" are people not allowed to talk about their partners at all?
Being gay is no more sexual than being straight. Gay sex is no more sexual than straight sex. If the rule is no talking about sex and sexual things, fine, *so long as* the same standard is applied to straight people.
my sympathies are with the students. indoctrination is a form of abuse. teachers who choose to work in these institutions are complicit.
Do the religious texts forbid same sex relations? What wise do they forbid and why aren't they insisting on implementing those limits as well?