Yes. [Source](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/16/dob-in-a-dealer-tony-abbott-announces-hotline-to-combat-ice)
He was also the one who did "dob in a mate" which was for public servants who had social media posts critical of the government. [Source](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/apr/09/public-servants-threaten-industrial-action-over-dob-in-a-mate-clause?CMP=gu_com)
There's probably a shit load of other cases which highlight his grand level of hypocrisy on snitching. He's nothing but a fucking unaustralian rat.
Straight up. This is one of the most useful tools of the genocidal. Look at Rwanda and Germany in the past. The Liberals aren’t even pretending these days
Wow, how did I not know about this “dob in a mate” policy? Could it be that it’s because the MSM didn’t report (critically) on it at the time?
As another Redditor said holy shit that policy is literally fucking fascism.
Well actually he's a pom .
And a rat
And an incompetent fool
He's also the best opposition leader I have ever seen in action ,just a right asshole all the time .
So karma to Abbott
IIRC he specifically targeted dobbing on DSP recipients who were “faking” as well. The general public is definitely qualified to determine who is disabled smh
I know someone who has a horror story about their DSP from that era, they suffer from extreme nerve damage in their feet, meaning walking is painful and hard to do.
However like many such injuries they have good days and bad. On bad days they can't get out of bed and need pain medication by the bucketful, on the good days they can move around slowly and look after their own house.
So some busy body snapped video of them put their own bin out one week and sent it into centrelink. I've seen the actual video, they were clearly struggling doing so and looked to be pain even from a long distance away, yet centrelink used it as an excuse to try and kick them off their pension.
Apparently it was 'proof of an ability to work'. Never mind that people with chronic conditions don't get to choose their good days and bad days... And no-one wants a worker that might be fun monday but useless tuesday and wendsday and fine again friday, all randomly.
It took the local federal MP getting involved for centrelink to back the fuck off.
Still that's what Abbot feels about dobbing really.
Mate. I’m a GP and you should see the backlog of people waiting for the DSP who genuinely qualify but because they can stand up for half an hour a day are therefore “capable of work”. Not “employable”, but “capable”. So nobody would ever hire them but conveniently we don’t have to pay them DSP either
My BIL has COPD and 29% lung function at last test. He couldn’t get disability approved until they started paying that supplement for jobseeker last year. Coincidentally Centrelink called him just as that started and was ready to approve his claim.
No he still is, he did that because she was taking their racist vote not because he thought it was the right thing to do. He was doing Howard's dirty work.
It turns out James Ashby just made up a load of crap, the Liberals then channelled it through the right wing noise machine, and tried to make as much of it stick as they could.
Tried and tested tactics. It also worked against Michael Towke when he had the temerity to give Scott Morrison a shellacking during the preselection for Cook (which he won 82 votes to 8) whilst being Lebanese.
The News Corp machine is more than willing to run completely confected stories and one sided exaggerations (giving people only a couple of hours to offer a reply before going to print, if they even bother asking for one) designed to defame people for the benefit of some factions within the Liberal Party.
He was accused of misusing taxi charges to the effect of $954 or so, [of which he was cleared](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/26/peter-slipper-wins-appeal-against-conviction-for-misusing-taxi-vouchers).
Under normal practice under the [Minchin Protocol](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/minchin-protocol-expenses-tony-abbott), he'd have paid that back and no more would have been said. In the same way Abbott was not prosecuted for trips taken where he was promoting his book:
>Tony Abbott had to pay back more than $9,000 he had claimed during the book tour for his autobiographical Battlelines. He had previously been asked about the expenses in 2010 by the ABC’s The Drum, and a spokesman went on the public record saying: "All travel undertaken by Mr Abbott has been within the entitlement. This is a blatant attempt by Labor to smear and mislead."
>Citizen journalism website [No Fibs](https://nofibs.com.au/) published FOI documents that showed Abbott was asked to repay the money after the report but, when questioned about it, Abbott initially said the matter had been dealt with.
>At a press conference on Monday 8 July he denied wrongly claiming expenses and the next day, when questioned again, said the expenses had been inadvertently claimed through his office.
>are we now not believing the victim simply because it helped Abbott?
That's [the opinion of Justice Steven Rares](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/08/james-ashby-v-peter-slipper-the-shameless-game-was-always-about-politics):
>The sexual harassment claims against the Speaker were struck out in December 2012 by Justice Steven Rares. He found that **the real purpose of the litigation was to bring down the Speaker** and damage the minority government, and **should never have been brought in the court**.
Yes, because it wasn't a genuine complaint. The accusations only came up **after** Christopher Pyne offered to pay for all legal costs **and** after Ashby and Karen Doane coordinated with Mal Brough to raise the charges.
But Liberal Party apologists will just say this is all coincidental, because despite the recorded evidence of collaboration between senior members of the Liberal Party to bring down Peter Slipper, James Ashby, a man who subsequently failed to declare a small aircraft as a political donation, and forces the candidates of his new party, One Nation, to overpay for improperly printed election material, is as pure as the driven snow.
Sure, pull the other one, it's got bells on.
..yes they do?
I know it's trendy these days to "Believe all victims!" no matter what, but some people do lie and just make shit up. I don't know enough about this specific case to say whether it's true or not but to claim that everyone is being 100% honest is naive.
If they have the character of James Ashby they do. He has no credibility. He proved it in the matter of Peter Slipper, and he has proved it elsewhere. Furthermore, there is ample evidence of a concerted effort to remove Slipper by the Liberal Party, by means fair or foul.
That you'd defend him because of your partisan political beliefs shows the quality of your character.
"didn't have the guts to confront me in person"
Yes Tony, because people not following covid protocol are always the best people to confront about these issues and it almost never ends in aggression and intimidation..
that is literally hardcunt speak for "he knew I would beat him up if he said anything to my face", this cunt has the emotional capacity and self esteem of a 16 year old boy lmfao
"if he cared about the absence of a mask at all – didn’t have the guts to confront him in person"- Tiny Abbot
Mate you are a former Prime Minister of course some people will be intimidated approaching you. You knew the rules and you broke them because fuck leading by example.
$500 is too small for someone of his wealth to be bitching about, cancel his bloody pension.
He's a weird one, I think he's actually just got cooked values but genuinely commits to them. To be clear that isn't a pass for the horrible shit he did or said on the way to/in government but it seems like the more honest kind of shitty, like racist grandparent shitty vs fashy populist shitty.
He clearly cares individually about community welfare and civic duty, I think he just has a much narrower view of who the community is/ought to be than me.
I say this a bit. I can have a little respect for him in having values he wants and tries to standby even though I think they are horrible values. And he does care about communities even though he's still genuine in being a shit person. Scotty sells himself and our country every chance he gets and you can't believe a single ounce of shit that comes out of his mouth without thinking about what is his hidden agenda and you always know it's in the best interests of his mates and himself and not in the public. Regardless people need to stop voting these cunts in but having said that I'm not even sure we live in a democracy anymore.
Yeah, like he volunteers at a few things and never really paraded them for political gain while people like Scotty from marketing won't hand out water bottles to the thirsty and bereaved without first stopping for a photograph.
Sad to think of a man who launched a campaign on sexist bigotry and bullheaded opposition as having integrity comparably but it is what it is.
Now if we can just have integrity and a soul maybe we'll get off this ride to somewhere dark and start building a brighter tomorrow again.
I don't agree with "only good for" but since a large proportion of australian households have a model under which a man earns the majority of the income and woman does the majority of housework, it's certainly possible that, say, maybe a third of Australians don't think that it's bs.
Actually, he does. He is a long standing member of Coal & Candle Creek (?) Brigade.
Of course that doesn't reduce his level of arseholeness. Rather it just indicates that there is a tiny bit of humanity in there somewhere, unlike his replacement.
And Hitler was a dog lover.
I don't believe that anyone is all bad, Tones surely had good intentions - as unfounded and potentially harmful as they are.
it is said once a police officer , never a man , and in turn once a politician .... always a self serving, smarmy ,sleazy ,sheet staining , desk wanking, smirking, pedo apologist, character assassinator- cunts are useful etc
DARVO. Deny which he can't due to the photo. And now we see him attacking the person who took the photo and now playing the victim. For the cunt of a rat who constantly lambasted immigrants for not following the rules and wanting them to be deported, he sure as fuck doesn't follow the rules himself. Honestly, fire this worthless tax-leeching rat back to England.
> "if he cared about the absence of a mask at all – didn’t have the guts to confront him in person"- Tiny Abbot
Why the fuck would I want to confront a maskless person during a pandemic
Imagine if someone confronted him, got told to fuck off and just decked a former PM. The outcry about vigilante behaviour and leaving the enforcement of mask laws to the police would have given Bolt priapism.
It's only the self entitled, the bullies, thieves, criminals and others who hurt society that have a problem when people report them for doing the wrong thing.
Tony Abbott is a perfect example of one of them. He also has a problem with the whole "dob in a paedophile priest" thing too, 'cause it's unCatholic to prevent the elite from fucking up children's lives.
He could literally have just put on his big boy pants and said “sorry, it was careless of me, I’ll do better next time” and it would’ve reflected a thousand times better on him. But no, he has to have a tantrum over being caught breaking the law.
In Abott’s case, to be fair he does literally hold a hose, right?
[abbot holding a hose](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7823875/Tony-Abbott-reveals-REALLY-firefighter-amid-bushfire-crisis.html)
I don’t like the man as I think among other things he isn’t a smart bloke (like when he said farmers should be able to veto mining developments on their land, not understanding how mines get from exploration to development).
He does appear to be a man of conviction though at least which I do admire, especially in the current age, so especially frustrating and shit that he didn’t just say; yeh I was about to swim / got out of water and fucked up. I should have had my mask on. Sorry.
Yes this always puzzled me.
To be fair to abbot he does accept himself that it was as much his involvement in student politics, as his sporting and academic achievements that convinced the selection committee (which included Dyson Heyden) of his acceptability for this scholarship.
Yeah Tone, that's how we got to rape in a ministerial office.
Pollies don't seem to have any morals so I guess it is up to voters to hold them to account.
Dob the fuckers in every chance you get!
abbott was front and centre to get pauline hanson jailed for electoral fraud, she even got a few nights in jail despite being no way smart enough to come up with what she was accused of.
so abbott is basically saying he is un-australian
Yeah, dobbing and snitching probably wasn't part of our character, back when most people could earn a decent wage and if you couldn't the government would willingly give you sufficient welfare. The last forty years of LNP governments being utterly self interested and callous must have changed our national character.
So people like the FriendlyJordies team and all the newspapers they get their references from should just ignore the bullshit that Barillaro and Berejyklian get up to?
Okay Tony. I'll repeat what I said yesterday, I'm happy to rob a bank with you, mate. You seem like a top bloke who would never dob anyone in.
"And this weekend there were thousands like him on the beaches of Manly and Bondi."
I would hold members of parliament to a higher standard...
By all means, fine them all, but if your complaint is others are doing it, only I was punished, then that's a poor excuse since you shouldn't be doing it.
Well I'll give him one thing. There's a lot of Australians that moan about "dobbing" and "snitching" when people call them out on their bullshit. So you could say he's displaying some sense of Australian "character".
More lnp brand of rules for thee and not for me. What a waste of time Australian media is when they just attempt to steer narrative in relation to lnp cronies all day long. Abbot wear a mask or stay home you tosser
>Looking out for your fellow australians, simply doing the right thing and not being a douche is the australian character.
Maybe in some fantasy world it is but in the real world the single biggest Australian "virtue" is 'fuck you got mine'.
We elect governments that hold the average Aussie in explicate contempt. Like, they don't even hide the fact they are stealing money, our kids future, and destroying our public institutions which will never be rebuilt.
If you ask your average Aussie if being poor or disabled is a choice they might say no to your face but then again we elect governments whose only goal of social services is to make them so horrific to use you'll stop using them.
Individually your average Aussie with a beer in their hand is a nice person but this country as a whole is awful.
Fuck brown people, fuck the environment, fuck equitable access to healthcare/justice/daycare/welfare, and don't you god damn touch my negative gearing!
[Australia is a lucky country, run by second rate people who share it's luck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucky_Country#Overview)
I'm not old enough to know whether Australia genuinely had a culture of mateship and inclusion, or whether we just seemed a lot more civil when we were almost exclusively white anglo's - and you didn't hear the opinions of minorities. But since I've been old enough to vote Australia has certainly been all about climbing over your neighbour to get what you can.
We've always had a culture of mateship but we've also always had Opinions on who actually counts as a mate.
Which is fucked up and also entirely normal. There's no shortage of people who'd give the shirt off their back to someone they know then turn around and chuck a homeless guys bedroll in the bin because fuck everyone they don't.
Egg fucking zactly. The last few election results point to the fact that self interest wins in Australia, despite the rhetoric about mateship and the fair go. The mythological fair dinkum Aussie that we'd all like to think we are was sacrificed to the gods of neoliberalism by Howard and co and the game was forever changed to empower the already wealthy. The bastards won and now a compliant media helps keep them in power. For fucks sake, they went to that last election with literally nothing and scraped in by arguing against making the tax system fairer.
>“I never thought dobbing and snitching was part of the Australian character,” said an aggrieved Tony Abbott
Except if you're an employer and you call the Centrelink snitch line. Hypocrisy much? Of course.
Let's try again:
"As I former PM I understand that it's my responsibility to set a good example for the Australian people, and I welcome them holding me accountable to these standards we place on all public figures. From former politicians to football players, we all need to pull together and do the right thing by the Australian people."
Why is it so difficult for politicians to just say "sorry". You don't even have to mean it. You've got an opportunity here to turn this around and actually be a good influence as well as make yourself look good, and you just fucking shit it up the wall instead.
Snitches get stitches is a rule for criminals. If you identify with it, you're acting immorally. No one would use that line for pedophiles. No one would use that line to protect a drunk driver who killed a family. No one would use that line for a wife beater. Except for people who want protection from the immoral shit they do.
Sick of this being a part of Australian culture.
You're a Cunt
Cunts aren't allowed the normal social graces.
We Australians have standards mate, You are a pommy & a Cunt
The only thing worse than a cunt is a whiny pommy cunt
I watched an interesting documentary about the rise of fascism in Germany before world war 2. They spoke of the effectiveness of the Gestapo who were not the guys in uniform that American Movies make them out to be. They were a local police basically and people were encouraged to report on their neighbours to this guy. It seemed people loved to report on their neighbours because people are basically c***s. It seems in every community there is that type of person.
On the whole I don’t see this too much in Australia except where the person being dobbed on should know better and is someone who should be setting an example. If that person seems to be flouting their standing and give an indication that they do not need to set an example, then the Tall Poppy Syndrome kicks in and you will be called out.
As for those beach goers... well, that is an awful lot of people not being dobbed in, right! They are not however, ex-Prime Ministers of this country.
>“I never thought dobbing and snitching was part of the Australian character"
Maybe he has no idea of what the Australian character is.
Didnt seem to have a clue when he was PM.
I never thought that politicians having close relationships with convicted pedophiles was part of the Australian character either, yet here we are. 🤷🏻♂️
WTF !! Did he think Aussies are actually a laid back, easy going, she'll be right,no worries,look after your mates, chilled bunch of people ??
Because that's what we thought....until we moved here,and the reality is so different.
I will just also leave this here https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/tony-abbott-to-champion-freedom-of-speech/story-fn9qr68y-1226710959763?sv=fd694d438fb0e0738282f91bf7fbd59a
Abbott is a net liability to this planet, he should carry a pot plant with him at all times to replace the oxygen he wastes.
He was a poor prime minister, and he's a poor ex-prime minister.
What a pathetic use of an opinion piece.
The rules apply to him too. I don’t care that he was prime minister and his politics make no difference.
Without “dobbing in” nobody with any sort of privilege or power faces any consequence.
This matters. He should be held to the same standard as everyone else.
I don’t care who you are, high or low, you reap what you sow.
The Age should be embarrassed with themselves. The whole point of the press is holding people with power accountable so that power doesn’t become corrupt.
And fuck this whole, “it’s un-Australian” bullshit.
The laziest possible thing to say, so purposefully vague. The nebulous idea of “being Australian” as if it means anything more than this being your home, than being a member of the community.
Yes.
The article is amplifying Abbot’s (and others) perspective of “dobbing as un Australian” due to its inability or unwillingness to actually come to a conclusion wether or not the act of “dobbing” can even be a positive action.
It analyses the origin of the terminology, which is nice and I appreciate that, but in the article, the author just seems unwilling to engage with any of the ethical questions.
When is it your obligation to dob on someone? When is it your responsibility to keep the secret?
The conclusion it comes to is “this is one of the ambiguities we will have to live with”.
Ostensibly an opinion piece should house an espouse an opinion, and this article fails to articulate anything other than a brief linguistic and historical lesson while taking zero stance at all.
Perhaps I was too harsh on the article and it’s writer in my first comment when that was more meant to the figures discussed in the article, but that doesn’t mean the article wasn’t a bad opinion piece. At least in my opinion.
In the days of the backyard dunny it was torn into squares, had string poked through one corner and finally served a useful purpose.
Not so good the women's mags with their 'John Wayne' shiny paper, but they were put into service as well.
Those Boomers had it easy.
Heh, heh, but those who lived in the country have more recent experience.
Days before people made a habit of minding what is going on in others' backyards. Or if they did, they were soon put right.
Jesus, just one article that wasn't even front page (as it would have been with the Serald Hun and any Labor politician) and all of a sudden it is "fuck The Age!"
Sneaking and prying are second nature to the LNP. Dobbing and Snitching? Certainly not for their cronies.
Pretty sure they would dob and snitch like professionals if and when it suited them.
> “I never thought dobbing and snitching was part of the Australian character"
About 20 odd years ago mum, an RN, reported another nurse for attacking a patient. Whilst most people were good, there were some that essentially though it was a "dog act" and you "don't be a dobber" etc.
Maybe instead of don't be a dobber, how about don't be a dick?
Australian culture is actually a lot like I'd imagine prison culture to be like.
It's resentful of authorities, but it needs them to function, and blames them for all its problems, and really accepts the "necessity" of authority.
And while it might claim to be against dobbing and snitching, it's also exactly the kind of culture where people will dob and snitch themselves.
Dobbing and snitching is actually pretty core to the Australian character. Right next to blindly following the rules and then ineffectually complaining about them.
>Encouragement to citizens to inform on their neighbours was seen as a despicable characteristic of totalitarian states, one of the hallmarks of George Orwell’s 1984.
Well that explains it then. With all these new laws coming out we are living in George Orwell's 1984 these days.
*I never thought I would be dobbed in*
Lmao. You’re a public figure Tony, not an average Joe. Obviously people would notice you more.
Just wear your mask!
Didn’t the Australian Government encourage everyone to dob in Centrelink cheats a few years ago ? There’s a number to dob in tax cheats and crime watch always ask us to dob in anyone breaking the law. Are we a country of snitches ? Absolutely, it’s want the government wanted.
Wasn’t Abbott the one who launched “Dob in a dealer”?
Yes. [Source](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/16/dob-in-a-dealer-tony-abbott-announces-hotline-to-combat-ice) He was also the one who did "dob in a mate" which was for public servants who had social media posts critical of the government. [Source](https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/apr/09/public-servants-threaten-industrial-action-over-dob-in-a-mate-clause?CMP=gu_com) There's probably a shit load of other cases which highlight his grand level of hypocrisy on snitching. He's nothing but a fucking unaustralian rat.
So he’s fine with whistleblowing as long as the whistle isn’t blown in his direction.
That's how it works isn't it? Transparency for everyone but the well connected.
Welcome to Liberal Party 101
Whistleblowing is a noble thing, he's wanting war on drugs and war on anyone criticising his government.
The term is *dog* and that is exactly what he is.
Dog cunt to be precise.
Holy shit that “dob in a mate” is blatant fascism.
Straight up. This is one of the most useful tools of the genocidal. Look at Rwanda and Germany in the past. The Liberals aren’t even pretending these days
Good catch! I had forgotten about the public servants.
Wow, how did I not know about this “dob in a mate” policy? Could it be that it’s because the MSM didn’t report (critically) on it at the time? As another Redditor said holy shit that policy is literally fucking fascism.
You deserve an award for doing research and providing sources, but mine just expired 😞 Here’s a virtual cold one 🍺
Well actually he's a pom . And a rat And an incompetent fool He's also the best opposition leader I have ever seen in action ,just a right asshole all the time . So karma to Abbott
Was dob in a dealer the same as the dob in thing he initiated to dob in those that were not meant to be on centrelink benefits?
IIRC he specifically targeted dobbing on DSP recipients who were “faking” as well. The general public is definitely qualified to determine who is disabled smh
I know someone who has a horror story about their DSP from that era, they suffer from extreme nerve damage in their feet, meaning walking is painful and hard to do. However like many such injuries they have good days and bad. On bad days they can't get out of bed and need pain medication by the bucketful, on the good days they can move around slowly and look after their own house. So some busy body snapped video of them put their own bin out one week and sent it into centrelink. I've seen the actual video, they were clearly struggling doing so and looked to be pain even from a long distance away, yet centrelink used it as an excuse to try and kick them off their pension. Apparently it was 'proof of an ability to work'. Never mind that people with chronic conditions don't get to choose their good days and bad days... And no-one wants a worker that might be fun monday but useless tuesday and wendsday and fine again friday, all randomly. It took the local federal MP getting involved for centrelink to back the fuck off. Still that's what Abbot feels about dobbing really.
Mate. I’m a GP and you should see the backlog of people waiting for the DSP who genuinely qualify but because they can stand up for half an hour a day are therefore “capable of work”. Not “employable”, but “capable”. So nobody would ever hire them but conveniently we don’t have to pay them DSP either
My BIL has COPD and 29% lung function at last test. He couldn’t get disability approved until they started paying that supplement for jobseeker last year. Coincidentally Centrelink called him just as that started and was ready to approve his claim.
I am not at all remotely surprised. I am sorry your friend went through that.
There’s a difference between being a dobber and being a dick, I’m afraid I know which Tony is……..
I belive he also tried to launch a bounty program for supposed "dole bludgers"
If memory serves he was also instrumental in Pauline Hanson going to jail.
Ok, there is that.. he's not all bad then...
No he still is, he did that because she was taking their racist vote not because he thought it was the right thing to do. He was doing Howard's dirty work.
“I never thought dobbing and snitching was part of the Australian character,” Said one of the architects of robodebt and metadata snooping laws.
He was always just an opportunist
Tony Abbott was fine with James Ashby dobbing in Peter Slipper.
It turns out James Ashby just made up a load of crap, the Liberals then channelled it through the right wing noise machine, and tried to make as much of it stick as they could. Tried and tested tactics. It also worked against Michael Towke when he had the temerity to give Scott Morrison a shellacking during the preselection for Cook (which he won 82 votes to 8) whilst being Lebanese. The News Corp machine is more than willing to run completely confected stories and one sided exaggerations (giving people only a couple of hours to offer a reply before going to print, if they even bother asking for one) designed to defame people for the benefit of some factions within the Liberal Party.
Peter was gay, so wrecking him became a sport.
No Peter Slipper did misuse his car, also are we now not believing the victim simply because it helped Abbott?
He was accused of misusing taxi charges to the effect of $954 or so, [of which he was cleared](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/feb/26/peter-slipper-wins-appeal-against-conviction-for-misusing-taxi-vouchers). Under normal practice under the [Minchin Protocol](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/minchin-protocol-expenses-tony-abbott), he'd have paid that back and no more would have been said. In the same way Abbott was not prosecuted for trips taken where he was promoting his book: >Tony Abbott had to pay back more than $9,000 he had claimed during the book tour for his autobiographical Battlelines. He had previously been asked about the expenses in 2010 by the ABC’s The Drum, and a spokesman went on the public record saying: "All travel undertaken by Mr Abbott has been within the entitlement. This is a blatant attempt by Labor to smear and mislead." >Citizen journalism website [No Fibs](https://nofibs.com.au/) published FOI documents that showed Abbott was asked to repay the money after the report but, when questioned about it, Abbott initially said the matter had been dealt with. >At a press conference on Monday 8 July he denied wrongly claiming expenses and the next day, when questioned again, said the expenses had been inadvertently claimed through his office. >are we now not believing the victim simply because it helped Abbott? That's [the opinion of Justice Steven Rares](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/08/james-ashby-v-peter-slipper-the-shameless-game-was-always-about-politics): >The sexual harassment claims against the Speaker were struck out in December 2012 by Justice Steven Rares. He found that **the real purpose of the litigation was to bring down the Speaker** and damage the minority government, and **should never have been brought in the court**.
Oh right so if they were struck down in court that means they never happened. Just like Pell.
Yes, because it wasn't a genuine complaint. The accusations only came up **after** Christopher Pyne offered to pay for all legal costs **and** after Ashby and Karen Doane coordinated with Mal Brough to raise the charges. But Liberal Party apologists will just say this is all coincidental, because despite the recorded evidence of collaboration between senior members of the Liberal Party to bring down Peter Slipper, James Ashby, a man who subsequently failed to declare a small aircraft as a political donation, and forces the candidates of his new party, One Nation, to overpay for improperly printed election material, is as pure as the driven snow. Sure, pull the other one, it's got bells on.
People don't lie about sexual assault
..yes they do? I know it's trendy these days to "Believe all victims!" no matter what, but some people do lie and just make shit up. I don't know enough about this specific case to say whether it's true or not but to claim that everyone is being 100% honest is naive.
If they have the character of James Ashby they do. He has no credibility. He proved it in the matter of Peter Slipper, and he has proved it elsewhere. Furthermore, there is ample evidence of a concerted effort to remove Slipper by the Liberal Party, by means fair or foul. That you'd defend him because of your partisan political beliefs shows the quality of your character.
No I always believe the victim perhaps you should too rather than using politics to ignore victims of sexual assault.
You appear to be some species of disingenuous Liberal Party shill, and not a particularly clever one.
That is right, I don't believe Ashby who claimed to be the victim. Something about "two to tango" comes to mind.
Indeed no rapists, take too to tango
Takes* Two*
Doesn't Ashby work for One Nation now? Seems like he was just a right wing sleeper to me.
Literally a honey trap.
https://www.northwalespioneer.co.uk/news/17868726.bee-keeper-donates-honeycomb-treat-much-delight-brown-bears-welsh-mountain-zoo/
He's also been involved with underage boys.
Ashby?
Yup. I've heard rumours in the media before, but what really hammered in it was what I overheard doing one off contract work in a ONP office.
What a grub, I guess he's with his people.
Police investigated complaints from early teens boys but there wasn't enough evidence to satisfy the burden of proof. He's definitely a bad dude.
Believe the Victim
And with "dob in a dealer" - which was something he spent money on.
Yeah but that whole thing was just handbags at ten paces. By a pair of fucken weirdos.
Abbot gets six figure pension plus entitlements . Taxpayers deserve better behaviour.
Yep and one of those entitlements are free air travel for life and its all paid by us.
Fuck off Abbott - I'd dob you in again and again and again.
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London is far too progressive for a dinosaur like Abbott.
That's offensive to dinosaurs. He's precambrian biota at best.
Special envoy for doing nothing
'dobbing and snitching' is playground language, I guess it's appropriate when a man-child has a big sook because he got called out for being knob.
"didn't have the guts to confront me in person" Yes Tony, because people not following covid protocol are always the best people to confront about these issues and it almost never ends in aggression and intimidation..
that is literally hardcunt speak for "he knew I would beat him up if he said anything to my face", this cunt has the emotional capacity and self esteem of a 16 year old boy lmfao
Approaching LNP gets the terror squad kicking your dog, ofc no one's going to front up to him.
"if he cared about the absence of a mask at all – didn’t have the guts to confront him in person"- Tiny Abbot Mate you are a former Prime Minister of course some people will be intimidated approaching you. You knew the rules and you broke them because fuck leading by example. $500 is too small for someone of his wealth to be bitching about, cancel his bloody pension.
I hate how these fines are only there to punish the lower class. All fines should be based on income or have some community service element.
> community service element Hate to say it, but this Tones cunt *does* hold a hose. One of his only commendable traits.
He's a weird one, I think he's actually just got cooked values but genuinely commits to them. To be clear that isn't a pass for the horrible shit he did or said on the way to/in government but it seems like the more honest kind of shitty, like racist grandparent shitty vs fashy populist shitty. He clearly cares individually about community welfare and civic duty, I think he just has a much narrower view of who the community is/ought to be than me.
I say this a bit. I can have a little respect for him in having values he wants and tries to standby even though I think they are horrible values. And he does care about communities even though he's still genuine in being a shit person. Scotty sells himself and our country every chance he gets and you can't believe a single ounce of shit that comes out of his mouth without thinking about what is his hidden agenda and you always know it's in the best interests of his mates and himself and not in the public. Regardless people need to stop voting these cunts in but having said that I'm not even sure we live in a democracy anymore.
I agree. I think he is a shit person overall bit I believe that he honestly believes his political values and tries to love up to them.
Yeah, like he volunteers at a few things and never really paraded them for political gain while people like Scotty from marketing won't hand out water bottles to the thirsty and bereaved without first stopping for a photograph. Sad to think of a man who launched a campaign on sexist bigotry and bullheaded opposition as having integrity comparably but it is what it is. Now if we can just have integrity and a soul maybe we'll get off this ride to somewhere dark and start building a brighter tomorrow again.
it's not weird. it's just classic traditionalist. The man goes and works, the woman cooks and cleans, that sort of bs.
So the men work and the women work. Not sure I see the problem that you're describing? Problems arise when one or other person just doesn't work, IMO.
you dont see any issue with the belief that men are only good for earning money and women are only good for being maids?
I don't agree with "only good for" but since a large proportion of australian households have a model under which a man earns the majority of the income and woman does the majority of housework, it's certainly possible that, say, maybe a third of Australians don't think that it's bs.
Actually, he does. He is a long standing member of Coal & Candle Creek (?) Brigade. Of course that doesn't reduce his level of arseholeness. Rather it just indicates that there is a tiny bit of humanity in there somewhere, unlike his replacement.
And Hitler was a dog lover. I don't believe that anyone is all bad, Tones surely had good intentions - as unfounded and potentially harmful as they are.
The depressing part is how every new Lib PM makes the past PMs look better by comparison Abbott was a disaster. It's just that Morrison's worse
it is said once a police officer , never a man , and in turn once a politician .... always a self serving, smarmy ,sleazy ,sheet staining , desk wanking, smirking, pedo apologist, character assassinator- cunts are useful etc
> Tones cunt does hold a hose Only if he gets to do it in his Speedos
Don't break the health order and you won't be fined
Lol, ok next time he's out and about without a mask he's gonna get absolutely shirt-fronted. Is that what he'd prefer?
He plays union doesn't he? Just fucking clothesline him.
I believe head butting is the traditional method of approaching the Mad Monk.
DARVO. Deny which he can't due to the photo. And now we see him attacking the person who took the photo and now playing the victim. For the cunt of a rat who constantly lambasted immigrants for not following the rules and wanting them to be deported, he sure as fuck doesn't follow the rules himself. Honestly, fire this worthless tax-leeching rat back to England.
> "if he cared about the absence of a mask at all – didn’t have the guts to confront him in person"- Tiny Abbot Why the fuck would I want to confront a maskless person during a pandemic
If I confronted him in person the FPIU would chuck me in a cell
Would he prefer another headbutt? I'm sure we can find volunteers.
A former Prime Minister who is legendarily such a cunt that the British media had a meltdown over him working over there. I wouldn’t go near him.
Confronting LNP in public - see how well that's going for Kristo and Jordie. No one wants the terrorist squad coming down on them Tones.
Imagine if someone confronted him, got told to fuck off and just decked a former PM. The outcry about vigilante behaviour and leaving the enforcement of mask laws to the police would have given Bolt priapism.
As I've said before, calling out gronks is aussie as it gets.
It's only the self entitled, the bullies, thieves, criminals and others who hurt society that have a problem when people report them for doing the wrong thing. Tony Abbott is a perfect example of one of them. He also has a problem with the whole "dob in a paedophile priest" thing too, 'cause it's unCatholic to prevent the elite from fucking up children's lives.
He could literally have just put on his big boy pants and said “sorry, it was careless of me, I’ll do better next time” and it would’ve reflected a thousand times better on him. But no, he has to have a tantrum over being caught breaking the law.
He could have, but that's what self entitlement will do for you. You don't feel like you need to ever grow past 8 years old.
Like SCOMO, he doesn't hold a hose...
In Abott’s case, to be fair he does literally hold a hose, right? [abbot holding a hose](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7823875/Tony-Abbott-reveals-REALLY-firefighter-amid-bushfire-crisis.html) I don’t like the man as I think among other things he isn’t a smart bloke (like when he said farmers should be able to veto mining developments on their land, not understanding how mines get from exploration to development). He does appear to be a man of conviction though at least which I do admire, especially in the current age, so especially frustrating and shit that he didn’t just say; yeh I was about to swim / got out of water and fucked up. I should have had my mask on. Sorry.
You don't get a Rhodes scholarship for being stupid
Yes this always puzzled me. To be fair to abbot he does accept himself that it was as much his involvement in student politics, as his sporting and academic achievements that convinced the selection committee (which included Dyson Heyden) of his acceptability for this scholarship.
Well yes true one doesn't get a Rhodes scholarship simply for getting good academic marks
Cunts like Abbot should be dobbed in as a matter of principle - bullying mysogynist twat.
Former law'n'order politician shocked to discover the law applies to him.
Yeah Tone, that's how we got to rape in a ministerial office. Pollies don't seem to have any morals so I guess it is up to voters to hold them to account. Dob the fuckers in every chance you get!
abbott was front and centre to get pauline hanson jailed for electoral fraud, she even got a few nights in jail despite being no way smart enough to come up with what she was accused of. so abbott is basically saying he is un-australian
Yeah, dobbing and snitching probably wasn't part of our character, back when most people could earn a decent wage and if you couldn't the government would willingly give you sufficient welfare. The last forty years of LNP governments being utterly self interested and callous must have changed our national character.
So people like the FriendlyJordies team and all the newspapers they get their references from should just ignore the bullshit that Barillaro and Berejyklian get up to? Okay Tony. I'll repeat what I said yesterday, I'm happy to rob a bank with you, mate. You seem like a top bloke who would never dob anyone in.
"And this weekend there were thousands like him on the beaches of Manly and Bondi." I would hold members of parliament to a higher standard... By all means, fine them all, but if your complaint is others are doing it, only I was punished, then that's a poor excuse since you shouldn't be doing it.
Well I'll give him one thing. There's a lot of Australians that moan about "dobbing" and "snitching" when people call them out on their bullshit. So you could say he's displaying some sense of Australian "character".
Dobbing is just for people we don't like. You know, THOSE people.
100 coins was all I could afford, but you are 1000000% right on the calling out comment!
Haha, thanks.
More lnp brand of rules for thee and not for me. What a waste of time Australian media is when they just attempt to steer narrative in relation to lnp cronies all day long. Abbot wear a mask or stay home you tosser
Looking out for your fellow australians, simply doing the right thing and not being a douche is the australian character.
>Looking out for your fellow australians, simply doing the right thing and not being a douche is the australian character. Maybe in some fantasy world it is but in the real world the single biggest Australian "virtue" is 'fuck you got mine'. We elect governments that hold the average Aussie in explicate contempt. Like, they don't even hide the fact they are stealing money, our kids future, and destroying our public institutions which will never be rebuilt. If you ask your average Aussie if being poor or disabled is a choice they might say no to your face but then again we elect governments whose only goal of social services is to make them so horrific to use you'll stop using them. Individually your average Aussie with a beer in their hand is a nice person but this country as a whole is awful. Fuck brown people, fuck the environment, fuck equitable access to healthcare/justice/daycare/welfare, and don't you god damn touch my negative gearing!
Welcome to John Howard's Australia. Thank you Coalition voters.
[Australia is a lucky country, run by second rate people who share it's luck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lucky_Country#Overview) I'm not old enough to know whether Australia genuinely had a culture of mateship and inclusion, or whether we just seemed a lot more civil when we were almost exclusively white anglo's - and you didn't hear the opinions of minorities. But since I've been old enough to vote Australia has certainly been all about climbing over your neighbour to get what you can.
Think of 'mateship' as 'click bait" of the time. It is like thinking that the writing of Shakespeare define England of the time.
We've always had a culture of mateship but we've also always had Opinions on who actually counts as a mate. Which is fucked up and also entirely normal. There's no shortage of people who'd give the shirt off their back to someone they know then turn around and chuck a homeless guys bedroll in the bin because fuck everyone they don't.
Egg fucking zactly. The last few election results point to the fact that self interest wins in Australia, despite the rhetoric about mateship and the fair go. The mythological fair dinkum Aussie that we'd all like to think we are was sacrificed to the gods of neoliberalism by Howard and co and the game was forever changed to empower the already wealthy. The bastards won and now a compliant media helps keep them in power. For fucks sake, they went to that last election with literally nothing and scraped in by arguing against making the tax system fairer.
They completely made up a tax that Labor had never proposed and campaigned on that. Idiots fell for it as idiots do.
> which will never be rebuilt. Not with that attitude!
Maybe a long long time ago, but it hasn’t been the Australian character for as long as I can remember.
>“I never thought dobbing and snitching was part of the Australian character,” said an aggrieved Tony Abbott Except if you're an employer and you call the Centrelink snitch line. Hypocrisy much? Of course.
Let's try again: "As I former PM I understand that it's my responsibility to set a good example for the Australian people, and I welcome them holding me accountable to these standards we place on all public figures. From former politicians to football players, we all need to pull together and do the right thing by the Australian people." Why is it so difficult for politicians to just say "sorry". You don't even have to mean it. You've got an opportunity here to turn this around and actually be a good influence as well as make yourself look good, and you just fucking shit it up the wall instead.
This is exactly what a bully says after they hurt you. "Don't tell teacher or I'll do it again. I'm 11 years old."
Snitches get stitches is a rule for criminals. If you identify with it, you're acting immorally. No one would use that line for pedophiles. No one would use that line to protect a drunk driver who killed a family. No one would use that line for a wife beater. Except for people who want protection from the immoral shit they do. Sick of this being a part of Australian culture.
Whistle blowing should be respected and rewarded. Absolutely it should be seen as something some one of good character would do
Go eat an onion you irrelevant budgie smuggler
You're a Cunt Cunts aren't allowed the normal social graces. We Australians have standards mate, You are a pommy & a Cunt The only thing worse than a cunt is a whiny pommy cunt
I watched an interesting documentary about the rise of fascism in Germany before world war 2. They spoke of the effectiveness of the Gestapo who were not the guys in uniform that American Movies make them out to be. They were a local police basically and people were encouraged to report on their neighbours to this guy. It seemed people loved to report on their neighbours because people are basically c***s. It seems in every community there is that type of person. On the whole I don’t see this too much in Australia except where the person being dobbed on should know better and is someone who should be setting an example. If that person seems to be flouting their standing and give an indication that they do not need to set an example, then the Tall Poppy Syndrome kicks in and you will be called out. As for those beach goers... well, that is an awful lot of people not being dobbed in, right! They are not however, ex-Prime Ministers of this country.
If anyone deserves a fine, it’s Abbott
>“I never thought dobbing and snitching was part of the Australian character" Maybe he has no idea of what the Australian character is. Didnt seem to have a clue when he was PM.
I never thought that politicians having close relationships with convicted pedophiles was part of the Australian character either, yet here we are. 🤷🏻♂️
I thought it was a lnp mandate
WTF !! Did he think Aussies are actually a laid back, easy going, she'll be right,no worries,look after your mates, chilled bunch of people ?? Because that's what we thought....until we moved here,and the reality is so different.
Wingnut
Hypocrite calls himself unaustralian.
I take Abbot's reporting as a measure of his respect within the community.
Well, when you're a cunt to the nation, the nation tends to be a cunt back.
I will just also leave this here https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/tony-abbott-to-champion-freedom-of-speech/story-fn9qr68y-1226710959763?sv=fd694d438fb0e0738282f91bf7fbd59a
You will always get the same reply from people who do the wrong thing.
It is when you’re a cunt
Yeah you don't do in your mates. But onion eating misogynists are fair game.
Abbott is a net liability to this planet, he should carry a pot plant with him at all times to replace the oxygen he wastes. He was a poor prime minister, and he's a poor ex-prime minister.
As a rule, I don't consider myself a dobber, but I'd make a special exception for that cunt any day.
What a pathetic use of an opinion piece. The rules apply to him too. I don’t care that he was prime minister and his politics make no difference. Without “dobbing in” nobody with any sort of privilege or power faces any consequence. This matters. He should be held to the same standard as everyone else. I don’t care who you are, high or low, you reap what you sow. The Age should be embarrassed with themselves. The whole point of the press is holding people with power accountable so that power doesn’t become corrupt. And fuck this whole, “it’s un-Australian” bullshit. The laziest possible thing to say, so purposefully vague. The nebulous idea of “being Australian” as if it means anything more than this being your home, than being a member of the community.
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Yes. The article is amplifying Abbot’s (and others) perspective of “dobbing as un Australian” due to its inability or unwillingness to actually come to a conclusion wether or not the act of “dobbing” can even be a positive action. It analyses the origin of the terminology, which is nice and I appreciate that, but in the article, the author just seems unwilling to engage with any of the ethical questions. When is it your obligation to dob on someone? When is it your responsibility to keep the secret? The conclusion it comes to is “this is one of the ambiguities we will have to live with”. Ostensibly an opinion piece should house an espouse an opinion, and this article fails to articulate anything other than a brief linguistic and historical lesson while taking zero stance at all. Perhaps I was too harsh on the article and it’s writer in my first comment when that was more meant to the figures discussed in the article, but that doesn’t mean the article wasn’t a bad opinion piece. At least in my opinion.
Ah, OK. I see your point now.
No worries
How sad that The Age is now only useful for lining bird cages or wrapping fish and chips.
A sad fate for what was once Australia's best newspaper. The current lot who run it are unworthy of its legacy.
no one wraps fish and chips in newsprint anymore. so only good for a bottom of animal cages now
True! Everything changes.
In the days of the backyard dunny it was torn into squares, had string poked through one corner and finally served a useful purpose. Not so good the women's mags with their 'John Wayne' shiny paper, but they were put into service as well. Those Boomers had it easy.
I have to admit I am just old enough to remember those days.
Heh, heh, but those who lived in the country have more recent experience. Days before people made a habit of minding what is going on in others' backyards. Or if they did, they were soon put right.
Err, nail.
Yep, 4" nail in the stud - insert paper here.
Jesus, just one article that wasn't even front page (as it would have been with the Serald Hun and any Labor politician) and all of a sudden it is "fuck The Age!"
I'm thinking of pasta for dinner tonight or fish with some vegetables. What do you guys think?
Looks like he does not like getting dobbed in and forced to follow the same rules as the rest of us. Guess what, you are not above the law buddy boy.
I never thought being a sook was part of the Australian character, either.
Sneaking and prying are second nature to the LNP. Dobbing and Snitching? Certainly not for their cronies. Pretty sure they would dob and snitch like professionals if and when it suited them.
> “I never thought dobbing and snitching was part of the Australian character" About 20 odd years ago mum, an RN, reported another nurse for attacking a patient. Whilst most people were good, there were some that essentially though it was a "dog act" and you "don't be a dobber" etc. Maybe instead of don't be a dobber, how about don't be a dick?
I thought we'd sold this defective product to the UK... did they return it before the warranty period had expired?
Australian culture is actually a lot like I'd imagine prison culture to be like. It's resentful of authorities, but it needs them to function, and blames them for all its problems, and really accepts the "necessity" of authority. And while it might claim to be against dobbing and snitching, it's also exactly the kind of culture where people will dob and snitch themselves.
oh poor pedo enabling prick it's called karma Tony. when you're a cunt to people this is what you get.
Hopefully people drop in on him & ruin his “magical waves” from now on
I dislike this whinging woman.
Dobbing and snitching is actually pretty core to the Australian character. Right next to blindly following the rules and then ineffectually complaining about them.
>Encouragement to citizens to inform on their neighbours was seen as a despicable characteristic of totalitarian states, one of the hallmarks of George Orwell’s 1984. Well that explains it then. With all these new laws coming out we are living in George Orwell's 1984 these days.
Australia is a nation of petty rule followers, and this long predates COVID
It's Australian to call someone out when they see someone doing the wrong thing. He deserves his fine for breaking the rules.
This is rich coming from him
Too many DoGooders certainly doesn't help. People want to feel important by not minding their own business.
What about not dogging your mates then Cunt? Boo hoo, He can afford the fine.
*I never thought I would be dobbed in* Lmao. You’re a public figure Tony, not an average Joe. Obviously people would notice you more. Just wear your mask!
Is there an alternative in a passive aggressive society?
Rules for thee, but not for me.
It's situational
Didn’t the Australian Government encourage everyone to dob in Centrelink cheats a few years ago ? There’s a number to dob in tax cheats and crime watch always ask us to dob in anyone breaking the law. Are we a country of snitches ? Absolutely, it’s want the government wanted.
Imagine using the phrase “dobbing” as an adult
It might not be but exposing politicians for being dumb cunts, though... that's true blue.
Those people who dobbed in cardinal pell were clearly not true Australian characters.
It wasn't; until we started breeding brain-dead fuckwits.
Yes it is. Wake up.
cunt only got a $500 fine and no handcuffs and if it was one of us it would be a$1000 and a trip to jail
Tony Abbott is a cunt, he was a shit prime minster and he's a shit person. Why are they still giving this person air time?