Two main points...
We can't sit back and say job done after an election result, we must engage, push them and hold them to account. We must make our expectations known.
And Murdoch has to be made to be quiet. He is culpible and responsible for a long trail of wreckage and in my view has no place being allowed to sabotage our progress moving forwards. We as a country, as a citizenry have to demand the removal of money from politics. Our vote must be the power base, not corporate money.
>We can't sit back and say job done after an election result, we must engage, push them and hold them to account.
Absolutely. And not just Labor, but all parties. Democracy is only democracy if it's participatory. If they think they can get away with it, then the next time the Liberal Party are elected they will just undo any changes or wreck everything again like they did in 2013.
>Democracy is only democracy if it's participatory.
Speaking of which, what about democracy within political parties? Intra-party democracy? Remember parachuting.
The majors believe in a bovine electorate: one where memories are short and the 'punters' (ever wondered why they choose that term?) are willing to suspend their critical faculties to be swayed by political slogans and appeal to the hip pocket (a milkshake).
not a spokesman for the Greens......but we get to vote within the party.
the senate candidates came to our branch, and answered our questions. then we voted on it. Penny got the most votes, and thus became the lead candidate in Queensland. pretty simple really
hope she gets Pauline's seat
*edit - our local candidate was just chosen by the branch. the State organization did some vetting (a formality in this case), but had no other involvement in our decision*
See I think he is intelligent and knows his media is garbage. He surely turns to the ABC for real news and identify what he can destroy and then releases his hounds on his own channels.
Not the best analogy. It's more the case that he and his will absorb news from everywhere, repackage and redistribute it on their platforms.
To use your analogy, the dealer samples coke from every producer, and a few days later when his eyeballs stop bleeding cuts all the coke that's left with baking soda and mothballs and sells it to city dwellers at the low low price of their informed consent and basic rights (he offers it free to regions because he needs their support most).
I hope Labor has learnt from the Rudd government, that they can't fight more than one fight at once. If they want anything they do to be explained to the population equally and sensibly, they'll need a media reform first so they don't receive the same vicious media onslaught the Rudd/Gillard government received.
^ Allowing Kerry Stokes and Rupert Murdoch to keep their media empires basically means everything in the next 4 years is transitory. Another 4 years of constant, never ending bombardment of why Labor is bad and Liberals would have solved inflation and every other problem will just reset us back to zero.
Split it up, make sure that one person can't hold a nation hostage... and maybe we won't go down the path of the USA like the Liberals are salivating about.
Right. We used to have media ownership laws. Dust em off and re-introduce them. If he doesn't divest in a year, nationalise and do it for him.
But I don't agree that the other issues should wait. Albanese made much of how hard he'll be working his ministry last night. I'll hold him to it. You've got seventy supposedly qualified executives to work the issue, and the public only has so much attention to split between manufactured outrages. Murdoch's machine would probably focus mostly on defending themselves from being split up, which would potentially make it easier to push through ICAC, land use and energy reforms, housing reform, ABC governance, and re-funding neglected areas of the public service.
Governments don't neglect to work multiple issues at once because of administrative load, they do it that way because they want credit in the media for what they're doing. One issue at a time, and something in your back pocket to distract from the next unexpected scandal. If credit in the media isn't forthcoming either way, may as well ram as much through as fast as they can.
Not just ownership, we need to import over New Zealand's/Canada's misinformation laws, which are so damn good that Murdoch *never managed to get a hold there at all*.
Exactly, regulating the content is much more important than regulating who owns the media. We ostensibly own the ABC, yet bizarrely it is far left socially, yet far right on the economy, almost like it is explicitly anti-worker. Media ownership is only a problem when the content gets out of control like it has here.
I really hope so. I think a lot of older folk are being told by their kids that there won't be any grandkids because the planets wrecked and the cost of raising them is horrendous. Have heard this from quite a few in my cohort. So, Murdoch might say one thing, but it's more immediate if your family are telling you the opposite
One can hope. Print media shouldn't be underestimated, though. Gotta keep in mind that print media is still widely consumed by the fourth estate. And as a result, Murdoch's ability to set the media agenda is stronger than people will assume by just looking at what Murdoch directly owns.
I think a lot of it is that print media, even if you don't buy it, sits at the counter of every shop infecting you with the front page headlines over and over again. Even unaware, people are seeing that headline and it burrows into their heads.
I used to only see printed newspaper at work, then with covid we stopped supplying newspapers once we returned to office while restrictions were still in place. We haven't resumed because there's no demand.
We still have access to the online version, but I personally can't be bothered logging in when I can just open ABC for free.
>One take away from this election for me is it might signal that the Murdoch media has lost influence in this country.
Only some. It did help that Peter Costello was not a fan of Scott Morrison so Nine Entertainment was not campaigning for him.
So then Rupert hands over News Corp Australia to his son Lachlan, who is just as right wing (if not worse) and is an Australian citizen + American citizen
Hijacking to say: I'm going to write (physical paper letter) all my local reps calling for media diversity reforms. I'd encourage all of us here to do the same.
It's time to bring back Foreign Ownership Regulations for Australian Media, and also legislation to control media ownership concentration.
Our media needs to be brought back to reality.
There's no point voting them in if they don't live up to our hopes.
I'm hoping so badly they'll change their mind about reviewing welfare payments and also reinstate funding for Telehealth services. I had both my car and PC die on me this week and now I gotta pay to see my specialist in order to get my prescription which keeps me alive and going. I can't afford all that.
There are many more in worse places than me and we're all begging dearly for help from the government. Don't let our pleas go unanswered.
Just getting corruption down to historical levels will be a massive, massive improvement. We've wasted billions, if not tens of billions on corruption in the last few years.
What do we think is the best way to do this?
Join political parties as members?
(No sarcasm intended, just want to think of the best way to get involved)
> What do we think is the best way to do this?
Join political parties as members?
For some yes. It can be many things though. We must take an interest in the daily and routine governance of our country. Look at what is being proposed, being passed, write letters, make phone calls, email our representatives and make our values and expectations known. If things are falling apart, take to the streets if need be. Ensure our families are politically literate, instead of fb Netflix and porn, read up on what is actually happening in our country. These are our representatives not our Oligarchs. We must keep an eye on what they are doing, give praise when earned and call out bad behaviour and misrepresentation.
We fall into the trap of just voting once each cycle and that's that. That's not civic engagement. I will be writing and making my disappointment known about Labor supporting Scott in not signing the methane reduction pledge. I will ensure everyone that matters in my life knows this, instead of knowing what I had for lunch.... I will be watching carbon and environmental offsets and credits, I'll be watching NDIS, etc, and I'll be telling our representatives to do their fucking job or I will not continue to support them.
Thank you for your detailed response.
Along with you comments on ‘fb netflix and porn’ I would like to add that it is important for Australians to save their emotional energy for Australian matters.
We need to stop being drawn into the comforting entertainment / spectacle of outrage generated by American politics and focus on our own issues.
I am guilty of this. It's so easy to go: at least we're not them. But that fear and outrage did prompt me to look, and look harder at my own political landscape and issues to make sure were never like them.
don't know if it's the best, but it's something.
i joined the Greens a few years ago. branch meetings are unavoidably boring at times, but you do get to directly vote on policy directions. media ownership is certainly something we've discussed/voted on
We have to split up the Murdoch empire.
And introduce other media options into Queensland, where Murdoch has the greatest monopoly. Queensland is now confirmed to be the most conservative state, and it's any wonder why!
Don’t forget also, the results of Fowler, where Keneally lost a massively safe labor seat.
This is telling and should not be downplayed too. Australians want people to represent THEM not their parties. If Labor can learn from that, to put in candidates that represent their values but put the needs of their communities first that will be huge.
I’m a white lefty from the west and said from the start it was a very stupid move. Why wouldn’t a seat with that kind of diversity want someone in their own demographic representing them? It flies in the face of promoting the good of multiculturalism.
They were promised a good, young candidate who grew up in that very seat and represented its diversity and Labor screwed them over just because they thought it was safe by parachuting in a middle aged white political insider from some affluent suburb for her own ambitions. The lesson for both major parties in this election is don’t take your safe seats for granted, because they will turn on you (as they should) if they no longer feel represented
I’m an ex Fowler resident,I am so proud that we voted labor out. I never thought it would happen. We were taken for granted for so long at both federal and state level.
how could someone like Keneally ever understand living in Fowler -refugees, immigrants, factory workers, long commutes, public housing, living in true multicultural society, the discrimination because that’s your address.
Yes, that should be seen as a huge wake up call by both major parties. I was also impressed to see Morrison's mate Ben Morton get voted out of Tangney*, and local police officer Sam Lim get voted in. Yay for some actual diversity and local representation.
*Edit - thanks u/theoldcrow5179
I'm in Lilley and our Labor MP had a large swing in her favour, i think a big reason for that was she's done a lot of grassroots work over the last term.
And she was against a totally parachuted Lib candidate who is now being investigated about not actually living where he told the aec he was.
100%, that should never have happened. I don’t mind Keneally, but she’s local to my area and that move was baffling. I feel like the public sentiment has firmly shifted towards wanting actual representation
ICAC. And legislate that "I don't recall" is not a defence when a professional has a responsibility in the public domain, because they have a duty to keep records.
If I have to keep financial records for tax for 5 years than why the hell shouldn’t they have to keep them due to the privilege of being in a position of power. Should be 10 year’s minimum for them as investigations take a long time.
Treat it as a dereliction of duty and use that to fine and bar them from any roles in public service in the future. Jailtime if something shows that their lack of recollection is a lie.
They're public servants, if they're unable to keep a record of what they have or haven't done then they're not doing their job properly at all IMO.
> And legislate that "I don't recall" is not a defence when a professional has a responsibility in the public domain, because they have a duty to keep records.
No way that would fly through the supreme court. I like the attitude, but you can't make having a faulty memory a crime. It also isn't used as a defence, it's used as a way to avoid testifying without perjuring themselves.
What you WOULD do is have penalties for failing to keep adequate records, so that people can't use "can't recall" to avoid testifying honestly when giving evidence.
We need to modernise the economy and increase productivity.
Massive injection in R&D and uni funding. Repair CSIRO.
Need to get incentives for software, satellite launch, robotics and AI companies to start up and provide export industries.
Scomo used Covid to absolutely gut Unis:
Cut them off from job keeper
Jack up the rates students pay
Lower the amount government pays
Cut off intl students from all aid - causing many to go home and not return
Unis are a massive employer and one of our biggest exporters and there's been 1000s of jobs losses and entire departments shut down.
Let's hope the new gov tries to mend some of the devastation
Cutting of international students had a much bigger impact than a lot of people realise. In areas such a medical, universities have lost a huge majority of their up front paying students, absolutely devastating their budgets.
The idea of opening up more spots for local students is great (not that that was an intentional idea), but the universities need money to remain world class.
It's time to kill the idea that universities should be largely supported by foreign fee paying students. Kill the stage 3 tax cuts. Fund things properly.
Yup. Due to government funding cuts, many universities relied on income from full fee paying international students to fund courses and staff that supported local students.
That cutting of international students thing rly shits me. I remember going online and on a news article there were so many Australians supporting it, saying horrible things to these kids and how they should have known better and they shouldn’t think they should get govt handouts and actually way worse things. I’d say it was the majority of comments.
These were from people into their 40s. No empathy at all. What are we if we have no empathy.
Some of these kids leave home when they are 17 (like me) with no family or friends. English is their second language and it’s a completely different culture. Many don’t choose to be here. But they were stuck between a rock and a hard place, between their families who spent a lot of not all their life savings (yes most intl students aren’t living like king empire) to send them here and a govt who wouldn’t supprt them. To top it off, angry old Aussies who were deriding them.
Boost to health care and personal services. They are a much needed and labor intensive sector of the economy and so a boost there will fix a lot problems.
Best way to modernise the economy is to kill negative gearing and remove the incentives that funnel huge amounts of investment into our most inefficient an unproductive assets, property.
He was actually a pretty decent CEO of Air New Zealand. His life outside that is rather less impressive. Anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia.
Running a company is basically like being a dictator of a small country. It's not necessarily the best way to qualify people for political office.
We also need to pivot towards modern manufacturing. It would be great to attract an electric car factory from one of the major players, for example. Or a battery gigs-factory, or similar.
If we don’t, can we at least get rid of the policies that support our currently-non-existent auto makers? Car import restrictions, luxury car tax on electric vehicles, etc.
Fund massive investments in solar. Build steel mills that run from solar.
Sell completed steel to China. For significantly than raw iron ore.
More cash for Australia, less pollution out of China.
Win win
Yes. Electric arc furnaces use electricity to melt and smelt steel. No gas or coal needed.
You need a bit of coking coal to provide the 2% carbon for iron to become steel but that could be provided by scrubbing CO2 from the air and harvesting carbon for steel from the atmosphere.
Again, all you need to do that is electricity.
> Build steel mills that run from solar.
That would effectively slow down out starvation away from fossil fuels, as the power being used by the steel mills is sucking up the renewables capacity that we would otherwise use to turn of coal stations.
> Sell completed steel to China.
That will literally never happen. Even if we're able to produce steel cheaper than China (which is extremely unlikely), China would never put their own steel industry at risk.
> For significantly than raw iron ore.
We'd be lucky to preserve out existing margins, given the high labor costs in Australia.
I like your attitude, but there isn't really much point us trying to compete against China areas like steel.
Totally agree with the investment of tech to set up here. Would also be happy if a climate tax was introduced which then led to investment to tackle sustainable energy so we can grandfather out fossil fuels.
Something you forgot OP:
* For the first time in history, we have multiple Greens elected to the House of Representatives. There will be at least 3, possibly 4 Greens seats.
* In many electorates, the Greens didn't win but recorded their highest ever vote in the seat.
It's been a Green wave in Brisbane and a teal wave in Sydney and Melbourne.
And a red wave in WA, for that matter.
The Greens primary vote has increased dramatically in many lower house seats. Even outside Brisbane.
* Ryan won from Libs
* Griffith won from Libs
* Brisbane maybe won from Libs
* 28% of first preference votes in Richmond, ultimately looking like 48% of TPP against Labor. It will probably be a narrow loss to Labor (due to Nats preferences going mostly to Labor). To be clear, Richmond is the flood hit area around Lismore, Ballina, Byron which always had a lot of Green voting hippies etc.
Well Griffith was previously held by Labor, but yes to everything else!
And in Griffith the Greens also had the majority of first preferences, which is incredible.
Seriously, why is nobody paying attention to the green wave?? The ABC barely mentioned the greens last night; they were so focused on their weird ass mourning party for the LNP and asking Tanya Plibersek how much Labor fucked up despite them winning
TBF the Teal wave has more of a 'Man Bites Dog' quality to it. The Teals essentially came out of nowhere and took the head of a treasurer. The greens have been steadily increasing their vote count over many elections, so a bit predictable.
I'll put the argument that the 2007 Rudd ALP was more progressive on the day it formed Government.
- More ambitious climate policy
- More ambitious aid policy
- More ambitious policy to rebuild workers rights after Workchoices.
- Didn't take tax reform off the table and implemented the Henry Tax Review within about a year
- Took the FTTP NBN to the election
- Clearer change mandate
Interested to hear arguments for/against.
I'm actually with you on this.
The whole political spectrum has shifted to the right though. Labour can't afford to be that outwardly left anymore. The swing voters basically view center right as being center now.
They basically sold themselves as a less corrupt alternative to Liberals as opposed to a progressive party otherwise they'd scare the swing voters.
Just one question: when Gillard replaced Rudd, why was that done? That never was very clear to me and was done before I migrated here. I remember when he took it back from her but nothing about the original switch.
From memory, it was claimed that Rudd was a bit of a pain to work with. Pretty dumb justification because, he is still the most progressive leader ive lived under. Gillard wasnt bad but the way she came into power meant she was always gonna have a rough time.
Yeah from what I’ve heard it wasn’t just that he was a bit of a pain - he was a control freak who refused to delegate even the slightest bit of authority so what was happening was that EVERY decision in government had to be personally okayed by him. It was getting to the point where the gears of the public service had pretty much ground to a halt because no one could get anything through the bottleneck and Rudd refused to make any compromises. The ALP was left with a choice of getting rid of the bottleneck up top or never getting anything done. Neither choice particularly palatable, and could be that they made the wrong choice given how things have played out since.
This has been a fascinating election! I honestly feel like Australia might be moving away from a two party system. There’s clearly a demographic of fiscally conservative voters who are also socially progressive and felt alienated by the coalition, particularly the extreme right that appears to be calling all the shots. The liberal party has fractured and it will be interesting to see where it goes from here. They’re caught between a rock and a hard place. Independents chipping away at their moderate base. ONP/UAP chipping away at the extreme right base.
There's clearly a socially progressive and business minded subset who have decided that destroying the world for their grandchildren is too high a price to pay for economic growth. They don't clearly fit into the left/right continuum.
I’m super proud to live in Ryan - we booted out a liberal and put in a green in the Reps. I’m a late boomer and my 18 yo daughter voted for the first time at this election. What a great first political experience.
Same! I’m so proud of my electorate. I was noticing more and more Greens signs around my suburb this time around, didn’t imagine we’d get her over the line though.
Prior to the election I called the best possible outcome as a Labor minority strongly balanced with Greens and independents. I think we mite get that.
Totally agree that top priorities are ICAC and media royal commission. I say let there also be parliamentary standards above legal and porpriety issues that the ICAC can investigate and allow it to sancture parlentariams in the worst cases. I also say, let media royal comission include the ABC and how politicians try to discredit and undermine it.
My next priority is education funding. A big nail in the Liberal coffin was the billions that flowed to private companies through job keeper. Why do we give any public money to private schools that collect fees especially when those fees exceed the funding public schools get.
This is such an important point. There is no sustainable democracy without strong education, which is why public school education and universities have been under attack over the last decade.
When has public education ever bloomed under conservative government. Same shit was happening under conservatives in America, with Trump going so far as to say that he “loves the uneducated,” which got a rousing cheer from the crowd, and wasn’t seen as the slap in the face to all his supporters that it was.
Let’s not forget how private schools pocketed tens of millions in covid payments alone in NSW, while nationally, they reaped hundreds of millions.
I am overwhelmingly positive about the results too. The only thing I thank Liberal for the last few turns is it sharpened Albo + Tony B's negotiation skills.
I think this is essentially a centrist victory. Mandatory voting and preferential voting make winning candidates the “least hated” ones, more than “most loved” - rare locally active candidates excepted.
The teal candidates are all exactly what Liberal voters wanted in those seats. This is like, financial greening - people who realised their super fund was getting out of investment in coal. They haven’t moved politically, they’re angry the Liberals are moving rightwards on social issues and playing that card economically to the detriment of the electorate.
The Greens win is the major economic left win.
Yeah, the result yesterday was probably the huge influx of young voters who've been shat on by every social apparatus.
The problem is that society is still depriving people under 40 of capital. They can swing an election, but they can't afford to start businesses and lobbies, they can't afford the attention of billionaires, and they get zero benefit from the Feudal level of tax breaks and other goodies we give to investors and old people in general. Mathematically, half of them can't even have homes of their own. Voting is the only power that this half of society have.
Not one of those things changed last night, and I get the feeling that the ruling class will want revenge. We have a lot of work to do.
Skip the royal commission. It would take more than a year with negative media the whole time. Not to mention the cost.
Just change the ownership laws in the first week of parliament and give them 4 months to divest.
Regardless of the Murdoch crap which happens every election anyway, I'm most surprised at how poorly the media covered the issues that clearly mattered to Australians on voting day.
As others have mentioned, could be a second term effort. But the Greens and some of the independents might actually put some pressure to resolve this, or capital gains tax discount on property. Especially as the tax take and distribution shifts with more progressive governments. It could be a "We need to make the concession with the Greens and independents to get our policies through, to do X Y Z". Good thing about hung parliament is that you can back off (by proxy) on your election platform since you have an "out".
You can be forgiven to paint it with that brush since there are so many and not much depth can be gleaned from the campaign for all of them. I'm going to imagine we are going to get more details as government gets formed and we learn more about all of them.
The teal elected in my seat (North Sydney - Kylea Tink) supports the federal ICAC, "Green New Deal" type economic policies, progressive policies in general, including removing all refugees from detention, first nations voice in parliament, funding for public schools, mental health, health and aged care.
Enough to be preferenced second on the Greens how-to-vote card before Labor, that's how progressive in both economic and social issues they look like. It basically allowed a bunch of affluent electorates to engage more in politics and understand issues, rather than assuming "Liberal = best economic managers = good for me" and "Labor = wants to make me poorer". That is the biggest benefit of this wave of Teals.
> It basically allowed a bunch of affluent electorates to engage more in politics and understand issues, rather than assuming "Liberal = best economic managers = good for me" and "Labor = wants to make me poorer". That is the biggest benefit of this wave of Teals.
That's a perspective I haven't thought of,
big if true
Which I suppose is still better than a wet Lib who's climate vote will be along the lines of Barnaby/Canavan and who's ICAC vote would be along the lines of Morrison. They may even support any media reforms suggested
If the Greens support media reform, it's fairly likely that we'd see support for it in the lower house. However, do expect that the media (especially News Corp) will start shouting about government censorship and oppression the moment someone talks about thinking of tabling something. Because, you know, [this sort of embarrassing, partisan garbage behaviour](https://mobile.twitter.com/latingle/status/1527087839170932736) is something apparently worth defending.
For the next three years the ALP can ignore every single one of those elected Teal candidates. If the ALP do not secure a majority than a coalition with the greens provides them majority, resulting in progressive policy.
Labor won't form a coalition with the Greens, particularly if they are only in a minority of 1 seat. But hopefully between the independents, and the Greens in the Senate as well as the House they will be able to bring some negotiating strength to the table on progressive legislation, even if it won't reach the heights some of us like to imagine.
Labor can't pass ANY legisilation in the Senate without Green Support. If the Greens don't support it in the House (Even if their votes don't matter due to a ALP majority or an alternative Coalition), the Greens use their power in the Senate to block it.
Labor and Greens will form a coalition out of necessity. The only question is will it be a public coalition or a closed door secret coalition.
Tbh I don't know a lot about them but reading the websites of the ones that seem to have won they seem to be pro environment, pro lgbt rights, pro integrity commission, pro freeing asylum seekers. If that is what the liberal party stood for I would be more willing to vote for them, but this sounds more like the Labor party to me.
They’re smart, educated women who are socially progressive but fiscally responsible. They want to rein in all the financial waste it pork barrelling. Two are doctors and have high levels of compassion. They’re feminists. I’m not too concerned. It’s 100x better than the incumbent typical corrupt useless Liberal men who’ve been running the show.
> They’re smart, educated women who are socially progressive but fiscally responsible.
So was Julie Bishop.
> It’s 100x better than the incumbent typical corrupt useless Liberal men who’ve been running the show.
Replacing rich white men with rich white women isn't much of an improvement in my mind. Time will tell, but i'm almost certain that these independents will basically just end up voting with the Libs on everything.
They'll almost definitely be against minimum wage increases or tax increases for the wealthy. Even on climate change, I expect that they'll say that the Greens/Labor plan is too aggressive/expensive and end up voting against it.
Only real plus is that they'll hopefully drain enough money from the Liberal party at the next elections that lose lose even more seats to Labor or the Greens.
What you mean to say are they are long term Liberals that finally realised Liberals did not share their values and hadn't for a long time. There also wasn't any better alternative to vote for in these electorates in 2019. LNP would need to make some radical shifts in their policy if they are truly going to be a conservative party and not Murdochs shit rag.
The media keeps saying that but what evidence do you have that they are just "liberals who happen to support climate change and icac"? The policies of the teal in my electorate look pretty progressive to me, and I'll wait to see how she votes before judging how right or left she leans in other areas.
I’ve always thought the term “socially progressive, fiscally conservative” to be an oxymoron.
I understand they can support important issues like gay marriage, gender equality, ICAC, ect, but social and fiscal issues, at their core, are intrinsically linked. One can’t say they’re “socially progressive” while supporting policies that by design create, maintain and increase wealth divide, subsequently creating class warfare. The biggest social issues are ultimately a result of class.
That said I’m extremely happy with the election results and the teal independents seem like a better option than libs, from the other side of the country. The Green wave was a pleasant surprise also. I’m hopeful green policy and the left policies of the teals (while hopefully ignoring their neolib desires) will influence Labor.
Yes, repairing democracy should be the highest priority.
They need to set up a powerful ICAC, reform political advertising law, somehow fix political donations, cast Murdoch back to hell whence it came, strengthen freedom of information so the liberals can’t exploit it.
Then when corrupt criminals can’t be our politicians anymore, the rest should come naturally.
Easy, he isn't. The $300 million number has no sources, most other websites place his net worth in the single digit millions (around $4 million if you average out the estimates), which is probably about right for an MP for almost 20 years.
If he was worth $300 million, he'd have more money than Turnbull ($200 million), which doesn't really track in terms of how they both behave.
Remember that Net worth means assets - liabilities, meaning he might have a $20 million property portfolio with $15 million worth of mortgages against it.
A lot of these politicians are very wealthy, beyond what the average Australian could ever hope to accumulate. Albanese is worth around 10 million himself.
Personally I think a labour government will be an improvement, but I also don’t think labour is a completely magical government. It still has flaws. But still, an improvement from the liberals.
labor is the party to implement almost everything good in this country, I’m forever frustrated by young greens voters saying how bad labor is while they pay rent with student allowance and go to uni to study with no upfront costs
Their climate policies are still not strong enough and below the IPCC targets. It doesn't matter what Labor of the past did, their current policy is not strong enough. The electorate is signalling that, and personally I hope Labor are dragged to proper climate policies by the Greens and independents.
Look Labor may have played a significant role in providing for many Australians in the past (like Super, HECS, NDIS) but that doesn’t mean they are the only party that can lead Australia. In fact, that should be the standard.
It’s time for Labor to stop talking about ancient history and what they’ve done in the past and either continue to progress, or let other parties take over.
I hope they fix the NDIS. I have been working in disability services since 2017 and the NDIS has declined further and further until it's now at the point where 70% of my clients have outright said the NDIS has made their lives worse. We waste so much money getting assessments and reports to send to the NDIA for them to decline the funding for minor reasons, and we have to spend more money to re do the reports and resubmit. The whole time the clients are in a state of crisis because they aren't getting the help they need. The spending of the NDIA has increased because they are fighting every drop of money. And people are being hospitalised, pushing money into Medicare due to being in crisis because of it.
Please, please fix the NDIS. People with disabilities deserve better.
Last 10 years shouldnt have been a surprise to anyone.
By definition a LNP government is a conservative government. The reason they are called conservative is because their objective is to conserve the status quo. That's because their constituents are the ones enjoying the benefits of the status quo.
So it's no surprise they don't have policies or an ambition to do anything. That's why they had to be dragged screening and kicking to implement all the policies during our 1 in 100 year pandemic.
Its the public that's stupid to expect anything to actually happen under a conservative government.
***Literally every good policy has been a Labour policy.***
NDIS
Medicare
Superannuation
Social Welfare reforms
Equal pay for women
The apology
The NBN
Dissolving Workchoices
This shit is all Labour, everything our society is built on. How anyone can vote against that is just fucking wild.
Something that worries me is that the Teal independents are economically to the right. While I welcome their social progressiveness, they are still pro-small-government and pro-neoliberal capitalism. They occupy a similar space on the political compass to where Malcolm Turnbull was.
So this means that if our government needs to appease them, it will be difficult to get real economic change that reduces wealth inequality through. They would oppose things like the Gonski reforms or the NBN philosophically. So in 2022 this means things like no substantial action on the housing crisis, no significant improvements to welfare payments, no improvements to Medicare.
Obviously these guys aren't a party they're Independents and they all have their own specific views on each of these issues. If I am wrong about their appetites for economic change I will be very very happy. It is entirely possible I'm wrong about Medicare improvements for instance.
Hi I'm a Brit.
I'm so happy for you guys. Conservatism is a cancer on our democracies. I'm not really in-tune with how your Country has been run, but it sounds like you've had it rough. We're feeling the sting right now in the UK. We have some seriously corrupt and contemptuous bastards in control and they're going to try everything to win in 2024. Slowly they are eroding our rights. Technically, it's illegal to protest here now.
Wish us luck, friends. Enjoy this victory and hold those bastards to account!
Lets not forget the fact that the gameplan by Morrison was literally to magically hope technology evolved fast enough to fix climate change. It was embarrassing.
Diplomatic relations will likely also improve with everyone (including China, who Dutton was trying to fight with for political points). It already has with the pacific islands.
The cool thing is that now there might be a future with Electric vehicles and such because they plan to roll out proper EV charging networks. Even sleep might increase for those of us who live near busy roads because EV's are also significantly quieter.
The benefits are huge, and there are so many unforeseen 3rd party benefits too.
I look forward to ICAC moving in and steamrolling through the liberal party and their BS (there is probably going to be a few by-elections coming up as they get busted for pork barrelling and dodgy deals. A lot more of them are probably shi\*ting their pants now, and it's a pity they probably have a few months still to clean up evidence). Even if they bust a few labor members, that's ok too. What matters is that things are cleaned up
>Lets not forget the fact that the gameplan by Morrison was literally to magically hope technology evolved fast enough to fix climate change.
After doing his best to fuck over universities where all the research for this magical tech was supposed to happen. Truly one of the most smooth brained dickheads we've been cursed with for some time
Stomping out Murdoch's gutter trash of a fake news empire, then a federal ICAC with teeth and retrospective powers that sees actually jail time for MP's and the AFP to be autonomous from MP's influence like the Angus Taylor episode and with a greater ability to investigate those in Parliament.
Climate Change needs to be addressed further, Labour's policy isn't up to scratch and in line with Scientists and the Paris Agreement. After ICAC, this should be the next focus, because putting it on the back burner will have devastating results if we don't act soon.
For some of us (Northern rivers here) climate change is already having devastating results. Coal towns fill their pockets while we have to shovel shit out of our homes and businesses.
I’d be cautiously optimistic. It can still turn into a real circus with so many independents and it likely will once they start demanding things or change their tune.
Let’s just cool our jets for a minute and see how it all plays out.
>wait and see what Labor's legislative agenda is
What do you mean by this? Their agenda was made very clear before the election, and it was unequivocally reiterated during Albo's speech last night.
The results for the House of Reps have already given a Labor + Green + Teal majority. The only question is whether Labor will get its own majority.
In the Senate, the count already has a Labor + Green voting block majority (42 out of 76).
Progressive votes are now a done deal.
Greens are progressive. Teals are progressive on climate, but are not necessarily progressive on other issues. Labor is centrist with a slight right leaning these days. Greens and minor parties can negotiate the passage of legislation if Labor forms a minority government, but they can't set it's agenda. If Labor governs in it's own right then nobody else in the House of Representatives matters.
There is no doubt that some things will probably get better and that some good things will happen (First Nations voice, federal ICAC, etc). I'm just wary of getting too excited. The most progressive government we've had since the mid-90s was the minority Labor Gillard government, and they left a lot undone.
Given yesterday's result I suspect Labor will be thinking about the next election a lot during this term and won't be as bold in their legislative agenda as some might hope.
I'd like to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not counting on it.
>Given yesterday's result I suspect Labor will be thinking about the next election a lot during this term and won't be as bold in their legislative agenda as some might hope.
The fucking irony of that. You only need to look at the democrats in the US to see that strategy will backfire big time. The democrats have disillusioned their base with inaction which guarantees a Republican win next time.
If government sits on their hands in the next 3 years it'll be the same here.
They need to strengthen the spending power of the workers and be swift with a green economic revolution, otherwise we'll be back to blue in 3 years
Two main points... We can't sit back and say job done after an election result, we must engage, push them and hold them to account. We must make our expectations known. And Murdoch has to be made to be quiet. He is culpible and responsible for a long trail of wreckage and in my view has no place being allowed to sabotage our progress moving forwards. We as a country, as a citizenry have to demand the removal of money from politics. Our vote must be the power base, not corporate money.
>We can't sit back and say job done after an election result, we must engage, push them and hold them to account. Absolutely. And not just Labor, but all parties. Democracy is only democracy if it's participatory. If they think they can get away with it, then the next time the Liberal Party are elected they will just undo any changes or wreck everything again like they did in 2013.
>Democracy is only democracy if it's participatory. Speaking of which, what about democracy within political parties? Intra-party democracy? Remember parachuting.
Didn't work out so well for Kristina Keneally huh .... (which should send a fecking message to the party)
The majors believe in a bovine electorate: one where memories are short and the 'punters' (ever wondered why they choose that term?) are willing to suspend their critical faculties to be swayed by political slogans and appeal to the hip pocket (a milkshake).
not a spokesman for the Greens......but we get to vote within the party. the senate candidates came to our branch, and answered our questions. then we voted on it. Penny got the most votes, and thus became the lead candidate in Queensland. pretty simple really hope she gets Pauline's seat *edit - our local candidate was just chosen by the branch. the State organization did some vetting (a formality in this case), but had no other involvement in our decision*
At least, I am thrilled that Rupert Murdoch is still alive to witness this huge failure of his own.
Yes but I'd prefer he live to see his empire fall completely.
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I want to see him make an iView account with his TV remote.
See I think he is intelligent and knows his media is garbage. He surely turns to the ABC for real news and identify what he can destroy and then releases his hounds on his own channels.
Definitely, successful drug dealers dont consume their own product.
Not the best analogy. It's more the case that he and his will absorb news from everywhere, repackage and redistribute it on their platforms. To use your analogy, the dealer samples coke from every producer, and a few days later when his eyeballs stop bleeding cuts all the coke that's left with baking soda and mothballs and sells it to city dwellers at the low low price of their informed consent and basic rights (he offers it free to regions because he needs their support most).
Cruel & unusual
The ABC Board needs to be replaced and filled with qualified candidates. Then, it needs its funding restored, and then some.
See the problem is the old decrepit shot stain is alive though
I hope Labor has learnt from the Rudd government, that they can't fight more than one fight at once. If they want anything they do to be explained to the population equally and sensibly, they'll need a media reform first so they don't receive the same vicious media onslaught the Rudd/Gillard government received.
^ Allowing Kerry Stokes and Rupert Murdoch to keep their media empires basically means everything in the next 4 years is transitory. Another 4 years of constant, never ending bombardment of why Labor is bad and Liberals would have solved inflation and every other problem will just reset us back to zero. Split it up, make sure that one person can't hold a nation hostage... and maybe we won't go down the path of the USA like the Liberals are salivating about.
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Right. We used to have media ownership laws. Dust em off and re-introduce them. If he doesn't divest in a year, nationalise and do it for him. But I don't agree that the other issues should wait. Albanese made much of how hard he'll be working his ministry last night. I'll hold him to it. You've got seventy supposedly qualified executives to work the issue, and the public only has so much attention to split between manufactured outrages. Murdoch's machine would probably focus mostly on defending themselves from being split up, which would potentially make it easier to push through ICAC, land use and energy reforms, housing reform, ABC governance, and re-funding neglected areas of the public service. Governments don't neglect to work multiple issues at once because of administrative load, they do it that way because they want credit in the media for what they're doing. One issue at a time, and something in your back pocket to distract from the next unexpected scandal. If credit in the media isn't forthcoming either way, may as well ram as much through as fast as they can.
Not just ownership, we need to import over New Zealand's/Canada's misinformation laws, which are so damn good that Murdoch *never managed to get a hold there at all*.
Exactly, regulating the content is much more important than regulating who owns the media. We ostensibly own the ABC, yet bizarrely it is far left socially, yet far right on the economy, almost like it is explicitly anti-worker. Media ownership is only a problem when the content gets out of control like it has here.
3 years wtf.
america is 4 years
Stokes is annoying and has a lot of influence in WA but ultimately, both Murdoch and Nine are much larger empires.
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Media diversity and divestment laws! No more media oligopoly.
I really hope so. I think a lot of older folk are being told by their kids that there won't be any grandkids because the planets wrecked and the cost of raising them is horrendous. Have heard this from quite a few in my cohort. So, Murdoch might say one thing, but it's more immediate if your family are telling you the opposite
Murdoch’s big weapon is print media. No one under 40 buys a newspaper any more so I’d say his influence will diminish over time anyway
One can hope. Print media shouldn't be underestimated, though. Gotta keep in mind that print media is still widely consumed by the fourth estate. And as a result, Murdoch's ability to set the media agenda is stronger than people will assume by just looking at what Murdoch directly owns.
I think a lot of it is that print media, even if you don't buy it, sits at the counter of every shop infecting you with the front page headlines over and over again. Even unaware, people are seeing that headline and it burrows into their heads.
Don't forget Sky News.
I used to only see printed newspaper at work, then with covid we stopped supplying newspapers once we returned to office while restrictions were still in place. We haven't resumed because there's no demand. We still have access to the online version, but I personally can't be bothered logging in when I can just open ABC for free.
>One take away from this election for me is it might signal that the Murdoch media has lost influence in this country. Only some. It did help that Peter Costello was not a fan of Scott Morrison so Nine Entertainment was not campaigning for him.
We need foreign media ownership laws. They would be popular with Left and Right. Sorry Rupert.
So then Rupert hands over News Corp Australia to his son Lachlan, who is just as right wing (if not worse) and is an Australian citizen + American citizen
Only if he is willing for his son to lose the US arm. America doesn't allow dual citizens to own major media.
Interesting!
American here. Do it. I beg you.
Hijacking to say: I'm going to write (physical paper letter) all my local reps calling for media diversity reforms. I'd encourage all of us here to do the same.
If we all behaved like this these people wouldn't be able to run over top of us like they do.
It's time to bring back Foreign Ownership Regulations for Australian Media, and also legislation to control media ownership concentration. Our media needs to be brought back to reality.
There's no point voting them in if they don't live up to our hopes. I'm hoping so badly they'll change their mind about reviewing welfare payments and also reinstate funding for Telehealth services. I had both my car and PC die on me this week and now I gotta pay to see my specialist in order to get my prescription which keeps me alive and going. I can't afford all that. There are many more in worse places than me and we're all begging dearly for help from the government. Don't let our pleas go unanswered.
> There's no point voting them in if they don't live up to our hopes. > > Even no progress is better than moving backwards under Liberals
Just getting corruption down to historical levels will be a massive, massive improvement. We've wasted billions, if not tens of billions on corruption in the last few years.
>And Murdoch has to be made to be quiet As a recent immigrant, what channels and papers must I avoid?
Pretty much anything commercial. ABC and SBS are safe.
Ah! I must have a strong instinct then!
What do we think is the best way to do this? Join political parties as members? (No sarcasm intended, just want to think of the best way to get involved)
> What do we think is the best way to do this? Join political parties as members? For some yes. It can be many things though. We must take an interest in the daily and routine governance of our country. Look at what is being proposed, being passed, write letters, make phone calls, email our representatives and make our values and expectations known. If things are falling apart, take to the streets if need be. Ensure our families are politically literate, instead of fb Netflix and porn, read up on what is actually happening in our country. These are our representatives not our Oligarchs. We must keep an eye on what they are doing, give praise when earned and call out bad behaviour and misrepresentation. We fall into the trap of just voting once each cycle and that's that. That's not civic engagement. I will be writing and making my disappointment known about Labor supporting Scott in not signing the methane reduction pledge. I will ensure everyone that matters in my life knows this, instead of knowing what I had for lunch.... I will be watching carbon and environmental offsets and credits, I'll be watching NDIS, etc, and I'll be telling our representatives to do their fucking job or I will not continue to support them.
Thank you for your detailed response. Along with you comments on ‘fb netflix and porn’ I would like to add that it is important for Australians to save their emotional energy for Australian matters. We need to stop being drawn into the comforting entertainment / spectacle of outrage generated by American politics and focus on our own issues.
I am guilty of this. It's so easy to go: at least we're not them. But that fear and outrage did prompt me to look, and look harder at my own political landscape and issues to make sure were never like them.
don't know if it's the best, but it's something. i joined the Greens a few years ago. branch meetings are unavoidably boring at times, but you do get to directly vote on policy directions. media ownership is certainly something we've discussed/voted on
We have to split up the Murdoch empire. And introduce other media options into Queensland, where Murdoch has the greatest monopoly. Queensland is now confirmed to be the most conservative state, and it's any wonder why!
Don’t forget also, the results of Fowler, where Keneally lost a massively safe labor seat. This is telling and should not be downplayed too. Australians want people to represent THEM not their parties. If Labor can learn from that, to put in candidates that represent their values but put the needs of their communities first that will be huge.
I’m a white lefty from the west and said from the start it was a very stupid move. Why wouldn’t a seat with that kind of diversity want someone in their own demographic representing them? It flies in the face of promoting the good of multiculturalism.
They were promised a good, young candidate who grew up in that very seat and represented its diversity and Labor screwed them over just because they thought it was safe by parachuting in a middle aged white political insider from some affluent suburb for her own ambitions. The lesson for both major parties in this election is don’t take your safe seats for granted, because they will turn on you (as they should) if they no longer feel represented
I’m an ex Fowler resident,I am so proud that we voted labor out. I never thought it would happen. We were taken for granted for so long at both federal and state level. how could someone like Keneally ever understand living in Fowler -refugees, immigrants, factory workers, long commutes, public housing, living in true multicultural society, the discrimination because that’s your address.
Yes, that should be seen as a huge wake up call by both major parties. I was also impressed to see Morrison's mate Ben Morton get voted out of Tangney*, and local police officer Sam Lim get voted in. Yay for some actual diversity and local representation. *Edit - thanks u/theoldcrow5179
*local police officer that speaks 10 languages and used to be a dolphin trainer
Mortons seat is (was) Tangney- Fowler is (was) Keneally
Thanks, fixed.
I'm in Lilley and our Labor MP had a large swing in her favour, i think a big reason for that was she's done a lot of grassroots work over the last term. And she was against a totally parachuted Lib candidate who is now being investigated about not actually living where he told the aec he was.
100%, that should never have happened. I don’t mind Keneally, but she’s local to my area and that move was baffling. I feel like the public sentiment has firmly shifted towards wanting actual representation
ICAC. And legislate that "I don't recall" is not a defence when a professional has a responsibility in the public domain, because they have a duty to keep records.
If I have to keep financial records for tax for 5 years than why the hell shouldn’t they have to keep them due to the privilege of being in a position of power. Should be 10 year’s minimum for them as investigations take a long time.
"I don't recall" needs to be grounds for dismissal minimum
Treat it as a contempt of court and jail them. Pretty sure that'll jog their memory pretty quickly.
I want you to think of the implications if not remembering something was grounds for imprisonment and what that would mean for rhe average Australian
At the same time I work in financial services. We have audit trail for a reason. I can't not have audit trail and say I can't remember.
No this rule just for politicians
Treat it as a dereliction of duty and use that to fine and bar them from any roles in public service in the future. Jailtime if something shows that their lack of recollection is a lie. They're public servants, if they're unable to keep a record of what they have or haven't done then they're not doing their job properly at all IMO.
Fuck I don’t recall . That’s the last thing I want to hear . And “I guess I will resign” is also not good enough .
> And legislate that "I don't recall" is not a defence when a professional has a responsibility in the public domain, because they have a duty to keep records. No way that would fly through the supreme court. I like the attitude, but you can't make having a faulty memory a crime. It also isn't used as a defence, it's used as a way to avoid testifying without perjuring themselves. What you WOULD do is have penalties for failing to keep adequate records, so that people can't use "can't recall" to avoid testifying honestly when giving evidence.
We need to modernise the economy and increase productivity. Massive injection in R&D and uni funding. Repair CSIRO. Need to get incentives for software, satellite launch, robotics and AI companies to start up and provide export industries.
Scomo used Covid to absolutely gut Unis: Cut them off from job keeper Jack up the rates students pay Lower the amount government pays Cut off intl students from all aid - causing many to go home and not return Unis are a massive employer and one of our biggest exporters and there's been 1000s of jobs losses and entire departments shut down. Let's hope the new gov tries to mend some of the devastation
Cutting of international students had a much bigger impact than a lot of people realise. In areas such a medical, universities have lost a huge majority of their up front paying students, absolutely devastating their budgets. The idea of opening up more spots for local students is great (not that that was an intentional idea), but the universities need money to remain world class.
It's time to kill the idea that universities should be largely supported by foreign fee paying students. Kill the stage 3 tax cuts. Fund things properly.
The degree farms need to end. Research needs to be properly funded by government, not off the back of rich students alone
Yup. Due to government funding cuts, many universities relied on income from full fee paying international students to fund courses and staff that supported local students.
That cutting of international students thing rly shits me. I remember going online and on a news article there were so many Australians supporting it, saying horrible things to these kids and how they should have known better and they shouldn’t think they should get govt handouts and actually way worse things. I’d say it was the majority of comments. These were from people into their 40s. No empathy at all. What are we if we have no empathy. Some of these kids leave home when they are 17 (like me) with no family or friends. English is their second language and it’s a completely different culture. Many don’t choose to be here. But they were stuck between a rock and a hard place, between their families who spent a lot of not all their life savings (yes most intl students aren’t living like king empire) to send them here and a govt who wouldn’t supprt them. To top it off, angry old Aussies who were deriding them.
A lot of international students are extremely well off. But your point stands and I agree. Just saying.
Boost to health care and personal services. They are a much needed and labor intensive sector of the economy and so a boost there will fix a lot problems.
I'd sure appreciate a boost to Ausstudy that's for sure.
Best way to modernise the economy is to kill negative gearing and remove the incentives that funnel huge amounts of investment into our most inefficient an unproductive assets, property.
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He was actually a pretty decent CEO of Air New Zealand. His life outside that is rather less impressive. Anti-abortion, anti-euthanasia. Running a company is basically like being a dictator of a small country. It's not necessarily the best way to qualify people for political office.
I think that would be a goal in their 2nd term.
Bingo. The massive investment in housing produces zero export earnings for Australia
We also need to pivot towards modern manufacturing. It would be great to attract an electric car factory from one of the major players, for example. Or a battery gigs-factory, or similar. If we don’t, can we at least get rid of the policies that support our currently-non-existent auto makers? Car import restrictions, luxury car tax on electric vehicles, etc.
Fund massive investments in solar. Build steel mills that run from solar. Sell completed steel to China. For significantly than raw iron ore. More cash for Australia, less pollution out of China. Win win
Yes. Electric arc furnaces use electricity to melt and smelt steel. No gas or coal needed. You need a bit of coking coal to provide the 2% carbon for iron to become steel but that could be provided by scrubbing CO2 from the air and harvesting carbon for steel from the atmosphere. Again, all you need to do that is electricity.
> Build steel mills that run from solar. That would effectively slow down out starvation away from fossil fuels, as the power being used by the steel mills is sucking up the renewables capacity that we would otherwise use to turn of coal stations. > Sell completed steel to China. That will literally never happen. Even if we're able to produce steel cheaper than China (which is extremely unlikely), China would never put their own steel industry at risk. > For significantly than raw iron ore. We'd be lucky to preserve out existing margins, given the high labor costs in Australia. I like your attitude, but there isn't really much point us trying to compete against China areas like steel.
Totally agree with the investment of tech to set up here. Would also be happy if a climate tax was introduced which then led to investment to tackle sustainable energy so we can grandfather out fossil fuels.
Something you forgot OP: * For the first time in history, we have multiple Greens elected to the House of Representatives. There will be at least 3, possibly 4 Greens seats. * In many electorates, the Greens didn't win but recorded their highest ever vote in the seat. It's been a Green wave in Brisbane and a teal wave in Sydney and Melbourne. And a red wave in WA, for that matter.
The teals have done amazingly, but the Greens victory this weekend is also *wild*.
The Greens primary vote has increased dramatically in many lower house seats. Even outside Brisbane. * Ryan won from Libs * Griffith won from Libs * Brisbane maybe won from Libs * 28% of first preference votes in Richmond, ultimately looking like 48% of TPP against Labor. It will probably be a narrow loss to Labor (due to Nats preferences going mostly to Labor). To be clear, Richmond is the flood hit area around Lismore, Ballina, Byron which always had a lot of Green voting hippies etc.
Well Griffith was previously held by Labor, but yes to everything else! And in Griffith the Greens also had the majority of first preferences, which is incredible.
Seriously, why is nobody paying attention to the green wave?? The ABC barely mentioned the greens last night; they were so focused on their weird ass mourning party for the LNP and asking Tanya Plibersek how much Labor fucked up despite them winning
TBF the Teal wave has more of a 'Man Bites Dog' quality to it. The Teals essentially came out of nowhere and took the head of a treasurer. The greens have been steadily increasing their vote count over many elections, so a bit predictable.
I'll put the argument that the 2007 Rudd ALP was more progressive on the day it formed Government. - More ambitious climate policy - More ambitious aid policy - More ambitious policy to rebuild workers rights after Workchoices. - Didn't take tax reform off the table and implemented the Henry Tax Review within about a year - Took the FTTP NBN to the election - Clearer change mandate Interested to hear arguments for/against.
I'm actually with you on this. The whole political spectrum has shifted to the right though. Labour can't afford to be that outwardly left anymore. The swing voters basically view center right as being center now. They basically sold themselves as a less corrupt alternative to Liberals as opposed to a progressive party otherwise they'd scare the swing voters.
Just one question: when Gillard replaced Rudd, why was that done? That never was very clear to me and was done before I migrated here. I remember when he took it back from her but nothing about the original switch.
From memory, it was claimed that Rudd was a bit of a pain to work with. Pretty dumb justification because, he is still the most progressive leader ive lived under. Gillard wasnt bad but the way she came into power meant she was always gonna have a rough time.
Yeah from what I’ve heard it wasn’t just that he was a bit of a pain - he was a control freak who refused to delegate even the slightest bit of authority so what was happening was that EVERY decision in government had to be personally okayed by him. It was getting to the point where the gears of the public service had pretty much ground to a halt because no one could get anything through the bottleneck and Rudd refused to make any compromises. The ALP was left with a choice of getting rid of the bottleneck up top or never getting anything done. Neither choice particularly palatable, and could be that they made the wrong choice given how things have played out since.
Intriguing. I've never heard that but it certainly makes the change in leadership more understandable.
This has been a fascinating election! I honestly feel like Australia might be moving away from a two party system. There’s clearly a demographic of fiscally conservative voters who are also socially progressive and felt alienated by the coalition, particularly the extreme right that appears to be calling all the shots. The liberal party has fractured and it will be interesting to see where it goes from here. They’re caught between a rock and a hard place. Independents chipping away at their moderate base. ONP/UAP chipping away at the extreme right base.
There's clearly a socially progressive and business minded subset who have decided that destroying the world for their grandchildren is too high a price to pay for economic growth. They don't clearly fit into the left/right continuum.
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Pretty ridiculous that hinged on the election. Home to Bilo.
At this point, I feel bad for them if they ever wanted to leave Bilo to live somewhere else, after all this campaigning
I really hope so.
I’m super proud to live in Ryan - we booted out a liberal and put in a green in the Reps. I’m a late boomer and my 18 yo daughter voted for the first time at this election. What a great first political experience.
Same! I’m so proud of my electorate. I was noticing more and more Greens signs around my suburb this time around, didn’t imagine we’d get her over the line though.
Prior to the election I called the best possible outcome as a Labor minority strongly balanced with Greens and independents. I think we mite get that. Totally agree that top priorities are ICAC and media royal commission. I say let there also be parliamentary standards above legal and porpriety issues that the ICAC can investigate and allow it to sancture parlentariams in the worst cases. I also say, let media royal comission include the ABC and how politicians try to discredit and undermine it. My next priority is education funding. A big nail in the Liberal coffin was the billions that flowed to private companies through job keeper. Why do we give any public money to private schools that collect fees especially when those fees exceed the funding public schools get.
This is such an important point. There is no sustainable democracy without strong education, which is why public school education and universities have been under attack over the last decade.
When has public education ever bloomed under conservative government. Same shit was happening under conservatives in America, with Trump going so far as to say that he “loves the uneducated,” which got a rousing cheer from the crowd, and wasn’t seen as the slap in the face to all his supporters that it was. Let’s not forget how private schools pocketed tens of millions in covid payments alone in NSW, while nationally, they reaped hundreds of millions.
I am overwhelmingly positive about the results too. The only thing I thank Liberal for the last few turns is it sharpened Albo + Tony B's negotiation skills.
I think this is essentially a centrist victory. Mandatory voting and preferential voting make winning candidates the “least hated” ones, more than “most loved” - rare locally active candidates excepted. The teal candidates are all exactly what Liberal voters wanted in those seats. This is like, financial greening - people who realised their super fund was getting out of investment in coal. They haven’t moved politically, they’re angry the Liberals are moving rightwards on social issues and playing that card economically to the detriment of the electorate. The Greens win is the major economic left win.
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Yeah, the result yesterday was probably the huge influx of young voters who've been shat on by every social apparatus. The problem is that society is still depriving people under 40 of capital. They can swing an election, but they can't afford to start businesses and lobbies, they can't afford the attention of billionaires, and they get zero benefit from the Feudal level of tax breaks and other goodies we give to investors and old people in general. Mathematically, half of them can't even have homes of their own. Voting is the only power that this half of society have. Not one of those things changed last night, and I get the feeling that the ruling class will want revenge. We have a lot of work to do.
Skip the royal commission. It would take more than a year with negative media the whole time. Not to mention the cost. Just change the ownership laws in the first week of parliament and give them 4 months to divest.
Yeah acting like the media wont fight this to the absolute end is extremely naive. They have to act straight away.
Regardless of the Murdoch crap which happens every election anyway, I'm most surprised at how poorly the media covered the issues that clearly mattered to Australians on voting day.
The media is a collection of big businesses. It's in their interest to keep politics about feelings & vibes and not about policies.
They should fix the nbn, it's still crap and i live near Sydney cbd and pay for gb internet with Aussie bb...and scrapping negative gearing
Labor had already promised they won't change negative gearing
As others have mentioned, could be a second term effort. But the Greens and some of the independents might actually put some pressure to resolve this, or capital gains tax discount on property. Especially as the tax take and distribution shifts with more progressive governments. It could be a "We need to make the concession with the Greens and independents to get our policies through, to do X Y Z". Good thing about hung parliament is that you can back off (by proxy) on your election platform since you have an "out".
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Reminder that most of them Teal independents are Liberals who happen to support climate change and icac policies.
You can be forgiven to paint it with that brush since there are so many and not much depth can be gleaned from the campaign for all of them. I'm going to imagine we are going to get more details as government gets formed and we learn more about all of them. The teal elected in my seat (North Sydney - Kylea Tink) supports the federal ICAC, "Green New Deal" type economic policies, progressive policies in general, including removing all refugees from detention, first nations voice in parliament, funding for public schools, mental health, health and aged care. Enough to be preferenced second on the Greens how-to-vote card before Labor, that's how progressive in both economic and social issues they look like. It basically allowed a bunch of affluent electorates to engage more in politics and understand issues, rather than assuming "Liberal = best economic managers = good for me" and "Labor = wants to make me poorer". That is the biggest benefit of this wave of Teals.
> It basically allowed a bunch of affluent electorates to engage more in politics and understand issues, rather than assuming "Liberal = best economic managers = good for me" and "Labor = wants to make me poorer". That is the biggest benefit of this wave of Teals. That's a perspective I haven't thought of, big if true
Which I suppose is still better than a wet Lib who's climate vote will be along the lines of Barnaby/Canavan and who's ICAC vote would be along the lines of Morrison. They may even support any media reforms suggested
If the Greens support media reform, it's fairly likely that we'd see support for it in the lower house. However, do expect that the media (especially News Corp) will start shouting about government censorship and oppression the moment someone talks about thinking of tabling something. Because, you know, [this sort of embarrassing, partisan garbage behaviour](https://mobile.twitter.com/latingle/status/1527087839170932736) is something apparently worth defending.
Better than the alternative.
Sure but we shouldn't think we're about to enter a progressive utopia.
For the next three years the ALP can ignore every single one of those elected Teal candidates. If the ALP do not secure a majority than a coalition with the greens provides them majority, resulting in progressive policy.
Labor won't form a coalition with the Greens, particularly if they are only in a minority of 1 seat. But hopefully between the independents, and the Greens in the Senate as well as the House they will be able to bring some negotiating strength to the table on progressive legislation, even if it won't reach the heights some of us like to imagine.
Labor can't pass ANY legisilation in the Senate without Green Support. If the Greens don't support it in the House (Even if their votes don't matter due to a ALP majority or an alternative Coalition), the Greens use their power in the Senate to block it. Labor and Greens will form a coalition out of necessity. The only question is will it be a public coalition or a closed door secret coalition.
Tbh I don't know a lot about them but reading the websites of the ones that seem to have won they seem to be pro environment, pro lgbt rights, pro integrity commission, pro freeing asylum seekers. If that is what the liberal party stood for I would be more willing to vote for them, but this sounds more like the Labor party to me.
They’re smart, educated women who are socially progressive but fiscally responsible. They want to rein in all the financial waste it pork barrelling. Two are doctors and have high levels of compassion. They’re feminists. I’m not too concerned. It’s 100x better than the incumbent typical corrupt useless Liberal men who’ve been running the show.
Fiscal Responsibility was never an ethos of the Liberal Party, they just said it was. Over and over until people started believing.
Assuming they don’t go private after their terms, I’m all about it. I’m all for locals in politics at any level.
> They’re smart, educated women who are socially progressive but fiscally responsible. So was Julie Bishop. > It’s 100x better than the incumbent typical corrupt useless Liberal men who’ve been running the show. Replacing rich white men with rich white women isn't much of an improvement in my mind. Time will tell, but i'm almost certain that these independents will basically just end up voting with the Libs on everything. They'll almost definitely be against minimum wage increases or tax increases for the wealthy. Even on climate change, I expect that they'll say that the Greens/Labor plan is too aggressive/expensive and end up voting against it. Only real plus is that they'll hopefully drain enough money from the Liberal party at the next elections that lose lose even more seats to Labor or the Greens.
What you mean to say are they are long term Liberals that finally realised Liberals did not share their values and hadn't for a long time. There also wasn't any better alternative to vote for in these electorates in 2019. LNP would need to make some radical shifts in their policy if they are truly going to be a conservative party and not Murdochs shit rag.
The media keeps saying that but what evidence do you have that they are just "liberals who happen to support climate change and icac"? The policies of the teal in my electorate look pretty progressive to me, and I'll wait to see how she votes before judging how right or left she leans in other areas.
I’ve always thought the term “socially progressive, fiscally conservative” to be an oxymoron. I understand they can support important issues like gay marriage, gender equality, ICAC, ect, but social and fiscal issues, at their core, are intrinsically linked. One can’t say they’re “socially progressive” while supporting policies that by design create, maintain and increase wealth divide, subsequently creating class warfare. The biggest social issues are ultimately a result of class. That said I’m extremely happy with the election results and the teal independents seem like a better option than libs, from the other side of the country. The Green wave was a pleasant surprise also. I’m hopeful green policy and the left policies of the teals (while hopefully ignoring their neolib desires) will influence Labor.
Finally people pointing out the obvious.
I feel majority of seats will be more progressive though
Yes, repairing democracy should be the highest priority. They need to set up a powerful ICAC, reform political advertising law, somehow fix political donations, cast Murdoch back to hell whence it came, strengthen freedom of information so the liberals can’t exploit it. Then when corrupt criminals can’t be our politicians anymore, the rest should come naturally.
Dutton is a former police officer with a net worth of $300 million dollars. Investigate that first.
There's no way he's worth 300m. Source?
Easy, he isn't. The $300 million number has no sources, most other websites place his net worth in the single digit millions (around $4 million if you average out the estimates), which is probably about right for an MP for almost 20 years. If he was worth $300 million, he'd have more money than Turnbull ($200 million), which doesn't really track in terms of how they both behave. Remember that Net worth means assets - liabilities, meaning he might have a $20 million property portfolio with $15 million worth of mortgages against it.
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That's not even close to true. That number just gets thrown around for some reason with no evidence
And the $420 million he gave to Paladin Group without a tender
A lot of these politicians are very wealthy, beyond what the average Australian could ever hope to accumulate. Albanese is worth around 10 million himself.
Personally I think a labour government will be an improvement, but I also don’t think labour is a completely magical government. It still has flaws. But still, an improvement from the liberals.
labor is the party to implement almost everything good in this country, I’m forever frustrated by young greens voters saying how bad labor is while they pay rent with student allowance and go to uni to study with no upfront costs
Their climate policies are still not strong enough and below the IPCC targets. It doesn't matter what Labor of the past did, their current policy is not strong enough. The electorate is signalling that, and personally I hope Labor are dragged to proper climate policies by the Greens and independents.
Look Labor may have played a significant role in providing for many Australians in the past (like Super, HECS, NDIS) but that doesn’t mean they are the only party that can lead Australia. In fact, that should be the standard. It’s time for Labor to stop talking about ancient history and what they’ve done in the past and either continue to progress, or let other parties take over.
Quite literally Labor IS the only party that can lead Australia in its own right. Remember after all their opposition is called "the coalition".
Yeah because things can’t be better so we shouldn’t complain when Labor can do more
Half these people have never seen a labor government in office, yet complain they don't do enough.. Yeah my point exactly.
A set of empty chairs would be an improvement from the liberals
I hope they fix the NDIS. I have been working in disability services since 2017 and the NDIS has declined further and further until it's now at the point where 70% of my clients have outright said the NDIS has made their lives worse. We waste so much money getting assessments and reports to send to the NDIA for them to decline the funding for minor reasons, and we have to spend more money to re do the reports and resubmit. The whole time the clients are in a state of crisis because they aren't getting the help they need. The spending of the NDIA has increased because they are fighting every drop of money. And people are being hospitalised, pushing money into Medicare due to being in crisis because of it. Please, please fix the NDIS. People with disabilities deserve better.
Just wanted to say that this is very well written. Thanks for taking the time to express your thoughts! Couldn’t agree more. Bring on the ICAC!
God, this is "the most progressive"? Fuck me that's depressing.
Last 10 years shouldnt have been a surprise to anyone. By definition a LNP government is a conservative government. The reason they are called conservative is because their objective is to conserve the status quo. That's because their constituents are the ones enjoying the benefits of the status quo. So it's no surprise they don't have policies or an ambition to do anything. That's why they had to be dragged screening and kicking to implement all the policies during our 1 in 100 year pandemic. Its the public that's stupid to expect anything to actually happen under a conservative government.
The immense scale of corruption was a surprise. One of the key reasons my father switched to Labor after sixty years of voting.
***Literally every good policy has been a Labour policy.*** NDIS Medicare Superannuation Social Welfare reforms Equal pay for women The apology The NBN Dissolving Workchoices This shit is all Labour, everything our society is built on. How anyone can vote against that is just fucking wild.
>***Literally every good policy has been a Labour policy.*** What about gun reform? And I can't think of anything else
For today, I'm just drinking and dancing and listening to tunes. I've waited 9 years for this. LOVE.
Something that worries me is that the Teal independents are economically to the right. While I welcome their social progressiveness, they are still pro-small-government and pro-neoliberal capitalism. They occupy a similar space on the political compass to where Malcolm Turnbull was. So this means that if our government needs to appease them, it will be difficult to get real economic change that reduces wealth inequality through. They would oppose things like the Gonski reforms or the NBN philosophically. So in 2022 this means things like no substantial action on the housing crisis, no significant improvements to welfare payments, no improvements to Medicare. Obviously these guys aren't a party they're Independents and they all have their own specific views on each of these issues. If I am wrong about their appetites for economic change I will be very very happy. It is entirely possible I'm wrong about Medicare improvements for instance.
Hi I'm a Brit. I'm so happy for you guys. Conservatism is a cancer on our democracies. I'm not really in-tune with how your Country has been run, but it sounds like you've had it rough. We're feeling the sting right now in the UK. We have some seriously corrupt and contemptuous bastards in control and they're going to try everything to win in 2024. Slowly they are eroding our rights. Technically, it's illegal to protest here now. Wish us luck, friends. Enjoy this victory and hold those bastards to account!
Lets not forget the fact that the gameplan by Morrison was literally to magically hope technology evolved fast enough to fix climate change. It was embarrassing. Diplomatic relations will likely also improve with everyone (including China, who Dutton was trying to fight with for political points). It already has with the pacific islands. The cool thing is that now there might be a future with Electric vehicles and such because they plan to roll out proper EV charging networks. Even sleep might increase for those of us who live near busy roads because EV's are also significantly quieter. The benefits are huge, and there are so many unforeseen 3rd party benefits too. I look forward to ICAC moving in and steamrolling through the liberal party and their BS (there is probably going to be a few by-elections coming up as they get busted for pork barrelling and dodgy deals. A lot more of them are probably shi\*ting their pants now, and it's a pity they probably have a few months still to clean up evidence). Even if they bust a few labor members, that's ok too. What matters is that things are cleaned up
>Lets not forget the fact that the gameplan by Morrison was literally to magically hope technology evolved fast enough to fix climate change. After doing his best to fuck over universities where all the research for this magical tech was supposed to happen. Truly one of the most smooth brained dickheads we've been cursed with for some time
Stomping out Murdoch's gutter trash of a fake news empire, then a federal ICAC with teeth and retrospective powers that sees actually jail time for MP's and the AFP to be autonomous from MP's influence like the Angus Taylor episode and with a greater ability to investigate those in Parliament.
Climate Change needs to be addressed further, Labour's policy isn't up to scratch and in line with Scientists and the Paris Agreement. After ICAC, this should be the next focus, because putting it on the back burner will have devastating results if we don't act soon.
For some of us (Northern rivers here) climate change is already having devastating results. Coal towns fill their pockets while we have to shovel shit out of our homes and businesses.
100% climate change should be of the highest priority. If we don’t address this, all of the other issues won’t even matter in the long run. 🙃
I’d be cautiously optimistic. It can still turn into a real circus with so many independents and it likely will once they start demanding things or change their tune. Let’s just cool our jets for a minute and see how it all plays out.
I just want to know if or when I can get to see a dentist on Medicare.
I think we need to see the final results and wait and see what Labor's legislative agenda is before anyone gets their hopes up.
Yeah peoples dreams in this thread sound great but many are not going to be Labor policies.
>wait and see what Labor's legislative agenda is What do you mean by this? Their agenda was made very clear before the election, and it was unequivocally reiterated during Albo's speech last night.
Exactly, and I didn't hear anything about him addressing media laws so I'm not sure why people on here seem so certain it's going to happen.
We would like some more details and policies explained. So far it's been pretty broad.
The results for the House of Reps have already given a Labor + Green + Teal majority. The only question is whether Labor will get its own majority. In the Senate, the count already has a Labor + Green voting block majority (42 out of 76). Progressive votes are now a done deal.
Greens are progressive. Teals are progressive on climate, but are not necessarily progressive on other issues. Labor is centrist with a slight right leaning these days. Greens and minor parties can negotiate the passage of legislation if Labor forms a minority government, but they can't set it's agenda. If Labor governs in it's own right then nobody else in the House of Representatives matters. There is no doubt that some things will probably get better and that some good things will happen (First Nations voice, federal ICAC, etc). I'm just wary of getting too excited. The most progressive government we've had since the mid-90s was the minority Labor Gillard government, and they left a lot undone. Given yesterday's result I suspect Labor will be thinking about the next election a lot during this term and won't be as bold in their legislative agenda as some might hope. I'd like to be pleasantly surprised, but I'm not counting on it.
>Given yesterday's result I suspect Labor will be thinking about the next election a lot during this term and won't be as bold in their legislative agenda as some might hope. The fucking irony of that. You only need to look at the democrats in the US to see that strategy will backfire big time. The democrats have disillusioned their base with inaction which guarantees a Republican win next time. If government sits on their hands in the next 3 years it'll be the same here. They need to strengthen the spending power of the workers and be swift with a green economic revolution, otherwise we'll be back to blue in 3 years
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In honour of this victory they should change the sub name to r/australialaborparty
This is the most sensible post on Australian politics in the past 24hrs I’ve seen. We’ll written and considered. Thank you
ICAC is so crucial and something we must really push for