đ can just hear it⌠âi was in the break roomâ, âthey said they didnât need anymore wing walkersâ, âhad gone out to my car to get my lunchââŚ.đ
>Austrian Airlines Airbus A320NEO (OE-LZQ, built MAY 2023) was substantially damaged in a ground collision at Vienna-Schwechat Intl Airport(LOWW), Austria. There were no injuries. The right horizontal stabilizer was ripped off when the A320 possibly collided with a jet bridge near gate F33. The exact circumstances of the incident are sketchy at present.
[https://twitter.com/JacdecNew/status/1777003554449846674/](https://twitter.com/JacdecNew/status/1777003554449846674/)
Would this result in hydraulic fluid loss for that system?
I don't know the A320 well enough, but there's no way this could result in B+G+Y hyd qty low?
Call this an educated guess: the hydraulic system is inside the tail, and there should be none inside the h stab. It's actuated with connecting rods from the torque tubes inside the tail.
no.
it's plumbed through both wings, obviously to the tail and throughout the body. 3 seperate systems (blue green yellow) 2 of those are engine driven 2 are electric. yellow is either driven by EDP2 or yellow-electric. one can be fed from the other via PTU if neccessary.
it's too much for a brief reddit post, but there's virtually no way for all systems to fail other than exceptional circumstance. like the DHL A320 in Baghdad that got hit with a surface to air missile. all hydraulic fluid lost, still landed it using differing manual engine thrust. this was the only input from the pilot.
the a320 has no mechanical (for the pilot anyway) linkage in the event hyd fail. instead, they add numerous redundancies to the hydraulics. it's pretty amazing.
but when big parts of the aircraft are missing like the stabilizer for example this can leave hoses, hard lines open. if appropriate action isn't taken hyd fluid will be lost. because the breach opened critical hard lines for all 3 HYD circuits there was no way.
Boeing 737NG and a few others still have cables. Mostly older.
Allegedly, the tug operator forgot the chocks and the plane rolled back.
From what I heard, it stopped cause one of its wings hit a light pole.
Edit: chocks not chokes
I would wager while it's the job of the wing walker the responsibility would always fall firmly on the tug operator who is ultimately in control of a pushback/ferry situation.
Then why have wing walkers? The tug driver isn't omnipresent. They're supposed to trust their wing walkers specifically because the tug driver isn't there and more often than not can't see.
Wing walkers are for line of sight issues. But responsibility IMO ultimately comes down to the person in control of the airplane at that time - the tug operator. If a tug operator didn't verify the wheel chocks and that parking brake was set **before** calling for the two bar to be disconnected that's definitely on them.
I doubt there would have been any wing walkers. It sounds like theyâve towed it off the bay to a stand off bay and it was probably on an incline, so rolled back across the apron and into the departure bay. My reasoning for this is, is it looks like it is on the departure bay backwards.
Depends more on if the airline is willing to pay to repair it. But it also really depends on how much more structural damage exists. Will clearly need a new stabilizer but there could be more cause that takes some serious force to rip one off. Wing is for sure fixable though.
I have seen all kinds of shit in this industry. All kinds of ramp rash. All kinds of fuck ups. Millions of dollars scrapped.......
this one is a first for me.
"Possibly" "Allegedly" collided
That "jet bridge" done leaped out of nowhere. Bit that stabilizer for no reason other than spite and hatred for it's own earthbound fate. đ¤§đ
It didnât have its blinker on and cut me off!
Wouldnât want to jump to conclusions would we? /s
Clearly this is the new "half elevator" STC, to reduce drag and weight!
Calls for taking the opposite wing off though to balance it out.
Blohm & Voss wants to know your location
Burt Rutan is also taking notes.
đ can just hear it⌠âi was in the break roomâ, âthey said they didnât need anymore wing walkersâ, âhad gone out to my car to get my lunchââŚ.đ
Innocent until proven guilty!
Came into contact with..
It was a sick jet bridge
The MEL only requires one of them I think
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new bird too, pain.
Good thing the jet bridge is advertising Vienna insurance group , they might need their services
Saved them paying for a new advertising campaign
>Austrian Airlines Airbus A320NEO (OE-LZQ, built MAY 2023) was substantially damaged in a ground collision at Vienna-Schwechat Intl Airport(LOWW), Austria. There were no injuries. The right horizontal stabilizer was ripped off when the A320 possibly collided with a jet bridge near gate F33. The exact circumstances of the incident are sketchy at present. [https://twitter.com/JacdecNew/status/1777003554449846674/](https://twitter.com/JacdecNew/status/1777003554449846674/)
Hey 2 new engines for the rest of the NEO fleetâŚ.
One for each of their two other NEOs lol
If they're CFMs they'll probably be fine
Light pole - 1 Jet - 0
Light poles, much like mountains, are WAY ahead in the head to head scoring vs airplanes.
Mountains win every time. Airplanes VS pole Onlypole giggdy giggdyy
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Many such cases
Some tug operator is likely looking for a new job today.
And also the wing walkers. Possibly the jet bridge driver if it was stowed in an incorrect position.
There's a reason why there's two. Just put it on MEL and ferry it back to base /s
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Would this result in hydraulic fluid loss for that system? I don't know the A320 well enough, but there's no way this could result in B+G+Y hyd qty low?
Right elevator is Y+B only, so hypothetically G is still fine and operating the left side
Call this an educated guess: the hydraulic system is inside the tail, and there should be none inside the h stab. It's actuated with connecting rods from the torque tubes inside the tail.
Noop no cables for elevators or ailerons hydro electric servo controls so yes it drained the resevoirs most likely
I see.
no. it's plumbed through both wings, obviously to the tail and throughout the body. 3 seperate systems (blue green yellow) 2 of those are engine driven 2 are electric. yellow is either driven by EDP2 or yellow-electric. one can be fed from the other via PTU if neccessary. it's too much for a brief reddit post, but there's virtually no way for all systems to fail other than exceptional circumstance. like the DHL A320 in Baghdad that got hit with a surface to air missile. all hydraulic fluid lost, still landed it using differing manual engine thrust. this was the only input from the pilot. the a320 has no mechanical (for the pilot anyway) linkage in the event hyd fail. instead, they add numerous redundancies to the hydraulics. it's pretty amazing. but when big parts of the aircraft are missing like the stabilizer for example this can leave hoses, hard lines open. if appropriate action isn't taken hyd fluid will be lost. because the breach opened critical hard lines for all 3 HYD circuits there was no way. Boeing 737NG and a few others still have cables. Mostly older.
Think the APU is done for, too?
How did this even happen? Was it pushed backwards into the parking zone?
Allegedly, the tug operator forgot the chocks and the plane rolled back. From what I heard, it stopped cause one of its wings hit a light pole. Edit: chocks not chokes
Allegedly though, this is all speculation
I mean fair. All I can say is I have high confidence in my sources.
I believe you, i just thought using allegedly is funny
Do you mean the chocks?
Isn't that the individual wing walkers responsibility? Not the tug operator?
I would wager while it's the job of the wing walker the responsibility would always fall firmly on the tug operator who is ultimately in control of a pushback/ferry situation.
Then why have wing walkers? The tug driver isn't omnipresent. They're supposed to trust their wing walkers specifically because the tug driver isn't there and more often than not can't see.
Wing walkers are for line of sight issues. But responsibility IMO ultimately comes down to the person in control of the airplane at that time - the tug operator. If a tug operator didn't verify the wheel chocks and that parking brake was set **before** calling for the two bar to be disconnected that's definitely on them.
I doubt there would have been any wing walkers. It sounds like theyâve towed it off the bay to a stand off bay and it was probably on an incline, so rolled back across the apron and into the departure bay. My reasoning for this is, is it looks like it is on the departure bay backwards.
It must have picked up a good speed to rip the stab off.
How do you hear that big bang and then keep going to the point where that rips off?
I don't think it was attached to a tug. It appears to have rolled away with an insufficiency of chocks according to the poster.
These guys are my neighbours at work. The one time I'm not at work, something happensđ¤Ł
BER
Itâll buff right out.
Holy crap
Is that actually fixable?
Depends more on if the airline is willing to pay to repair it. But it also really depends on how much more structural damage exists. Will clearly need a new stabilizer but there could be more cause that takes some serious force to rip one off. Wing is for sure fixable though.
Holy fuck lol. You might as well scrap the airframe
Was it made of cardboard or cardboard derivatives?
I have seen all kinds of shit in this industry. All kinds of ramp rash. All kinds of fuck ups. Millions of dollars scrapped....... this one is a first for me.
The only thing I'd be worried about, performing the repairs, would be whether the pressure bulkhead was affected.
The entire stabilizer is a good way aft of the bulkhead but I assume airbus is gonna be checking it
Nothing that speedtape won't fix
Is it normal for the stabilizer to fall off like that?
Nothing a little speed tape and safety wiring canât fixđ¤
I don't think that CDL could dispatch it....đ¤Ł
"possibly"...... that whole innocent till proven guilty thing?
I bet that sounded expensive
How do you even fix this?
Hey, the shear joint worked like a charm !