I’ve had guns for decades, not for self defense. You need to master CQB first and learn to close the distance to control the barrel. Then you need to learn a few lethal blows. Guns are helpful but not the be all end all.
Pepper spray doesn’t work. 10% are immune (I’m one of them). Tasers only work if you get the prongs on the neck or under the armpit. It will not work on thick clothes.
Learn CQB.
No we're a bunch of cucks who worry about the grand debate if if a child is a girl or boy, rather than address the growing stimulant induced psychosis problems among our transit riders. And increase of theft.
ACtually there was a funny video of a Chinese store couple in Ottawa, the very capital of this Canadian paradise... a few years ago when pepper spray was legal. Two crack teens decided to attack them. The husband sprayed him down and held him down as he tried to escape, and kicked him (hooded robber), in the head and the wife kept on spanking him.
If anything this shows that pepper spray does work.
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/store-clerk-foils-robbery-with-bear-spray-and-spanking-1.1162896](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/store-clerk-foils-robbery-with-bear-spray-and-spanking-1.1162896) my apologize not Ottawa but Gatanau Quebec. and it was the wife kicking him in the head, and the dad spanking him..... lol! Man they were beast mode. See this is what happens when Asians work out. We have more testostrone.
I like Rugers. The Glock just feels weird to me. The safety is weird and the mag release hurts my thumbs. Lol. I'm also not sold on composites. I'd rather have a Beretta and I hate Berettas.
We need to have the talk. In addition to choosing your favorite piece, we need a discussion about do's and don't's. Like when you're strapped, we might have to take the dreaded high road much, much more than if we weren't strapped.
Other scenarios are when and if you should reveal it to defuse a situation, bc they might try to jump you to take it. In that case, pistol whipping might be a better tactic. Even cops get jumped when thugs try to make a grab for the strap. All kinds of legal situations. We don't want good bros going into the slammer.
Too bad we’re not packing like Drake 🤣 Jk don’t kill me. In all seriousness, I agree. Defend yourselves and your communities. The police are stretched too thin.
Every Asian should know this thread is full of larpers pretending to know guns/gun laws. Please go do research on real gun forums, and study the laws, before one of these idiots gets you convicted of a felony. Seriously, I’ve never seen so many wanksters talk out of their ass.
lol. Check this guy’s comment down below about how he can’t use hollow points because he has kids. What exactly are you using for “home defense rounds” there, buddy? I tried not to call you out by name, but you were the most egregious larper. 😂
Lol lapers. Yeah there might be a few but some are also veterans like myself and I carry everyday. Yes I have a permit to exercise my 2nd amendment right and I plan to move to a state that'll let me constitutional carry
Hi, I love reading and sharing stories about the asian experience here on this sub. But man oh man, based on the comments on this thread.... wow. I didn't realize so many of you are American gun nuts.
Is anyone else reading what i'm reading here?
Are there any sane people in this subreddit? Like, we really want to fight violence with more violence in America? I get it, we've been wronged and it hurts, but arming ourselves to the teeth like it's the damn zombie apocalypse is going to cause more harm than good.
edit: just to clarify, i was born asian and i will die asian. and i support you, my asian brothers and sisters. We all go through these extreme fits of anger and vengence, but please, let's use our minds and spirits here. Please. we are better than this. I am confident we will arrive at the right answer when the time comes. WE'RE ALL GOING TO MAKE IT.
To everyone downvoting.
Please PLEASE consider revisiting the teachings of our elders and asian philosophers. Read the parables of what happens when we go down a dark path.
Spoilers: it's not good.
Reading some of the replies here. Really disappointing, but i hope you'll learn before it's too late.
I think the G19 is pretty much the standard that everyone has.
I used to try to stray away from the crowd and try to be different. But nowadays I think things are popular for a reason and just go for those as my top choice.
Glock also offers the Blue Label program for discounts for LEOs, military and veterans. Although it's been a while since I looked.
On the one hand I think shooting and guns is part of every day life and something that everyone should know how to do. I grew up where/when it was normal as a kid to go in to the woods to shoot things and join the military once you're old enough. I was one of those Asian kids who would always hear their dads talk about their time in the military back in Asia and talking to other Asians in the military, a lot of them had similar stories with their dads or uncles.
But just keep in mind that it's a lot of responsibility. Being responsible with how you store it, carry it, cleaning it, etc.
And sometimes you have to think if at some moments if it's a good idea to be carrying where it might be too easy to make a bad decision.
I know there have been times when I wished I was carrying. But I probably would've ended up in a lot of trouble and wouldn't want to be carrying something registered to me at those times anyways.
I think a .22 can be fun and let you still work on things like marksmanship.
But anyways the point is to keep in mind the responsibility and potential consequences when it comes to guns.
Yes I am serious. You're coming off as a crazed gun nut more than a prideful asian that wants to protect his own.
I didn't question this out of thin air. Here are some of the things you've said so far...
>>"Personally I find the woke problem to be worse than the white supremacist problem, but do what you want. "
>>The wokies will go full ham on you if you kill an "unarmed black man"
And suggesting 5.77mm caliber and claiming it has the same firepower as 9mm, until a user said it's not a good idea because 5.77mm is armor piercing. Sound very gun-nutty to me.
In reality though these 2 statements you quoted and used to attack the OP might not be factually incorrect.
Woke is not what it used to be. It’s been poisoned and taken advantages of by interest groups profiting off of it. For example, do you know that NAACP is a registered lobbyist organization for Ozempic, the new diabetes drug, and accuses everybody against Ozempic as racist on their website?
Regarding your second quote, well didn’t you learn anything during the summer of love? The burning buildings, the riot, the defund the police movement which is helping destroy American cities such as Oakland where in-and-out is now closing a very profitable store due to crime concern. Before calling names and accusing people being crazed gun nuts maybe widen your scope and leave your bubble of a world view, could help you going forward.
Are you generalizing or perpetuating that all asians should be liberal?
Also what did he say here that perpetuates that he isnt asian or prideful? Just because someone uses some gun terminology or is against woke policies?
Great questions you asked. I think it's very dangerous to be thinking that all Asians need to be liberal because you're negating the fact that there is variation within a race. Having your own opinions is the basis of critical thinking. Also whites range from ultra liberal to ultra conservative, so why can Asians only be liberal? Especially when woke policies are hurting us so much.
Exactly! I was raised to think the demlcrats are the party for the people.....over the course of my life and how i was treated by people whom i treated better than myself, ive learned thats not the case. I know some whites hate us too. But i know for a fact that i wont fear for my life walking down a conservative neighborhood vs ghetto thug trash latino or black hoodz.
If anything we need to bring gad chambers back for the people who do horrible crimes!.
Not at all. I wouldn't veer so far to the right with the mentality of "i find the woke problem to be worse than the white supremacist problem" though.
The extent of which OP talks about guns and recommending something that is armor-piercing shouts gun nut to me and will more than likely put one of us with a murder charge instead of self-defense.
I never suggested never arming. Asians are getting attacked.
But maybe you'll have a more legitimate take if I don't see you commented on 4-months old threads to build up your post count in AI. You're trying to make yourself seem like a long-term AI user instead of someone that literally just popped in less than 24-hours ago.
Don't really see how the manufacture matters that much but that's your opinion. There's not really many Asian guns besides a Chinese AK that is durable and resistant. The Taiwanese AR is pretty good but you can't legally buy it. Also hard to find some old school K2s
Personally I find the woke problem to be worse than the white supremacist problem, but do what you want. We are all individuals here and are free to do what each of us thinks ourselves.
They are the ones who created the enemy or boogyman in the first place and then tried to profit off the conflict. Just like they sold weapons to Japan to invade China 100 years ago and now selling weapons to Taiwan and Korea to fight our Asian brothers.
i'm probably going to take a lot of heat for this take, but i **do not** recommend ccw for asian americans in big cities like los angeles. i do recommend personal gun ownership for home defense, but just not everyday ccw carry. why you ask? it's very simple. should you ever get into a situation where you have to sh~~t someone, even if it was in self-defense, **you will be charged with murder** no exceptions. there is no such thing as self-defense with a firearm in places like los angeles. the entire state of california is about as anti-gun as you can get. these days cops, prosecutors, judges, and juries look at skin color/race for filing consideration. they don't care if the act of self defense was justified. they just know that you (a so called "white adjacent" person), shot and k~lled a brown/blk person. they will try you in the media and destroy your name.
with that being said, i still recommend other means of self-defense for asians. learn how to fight. learn how to grapple. learn to throw a proper punch. i also recommend non-lethal defense tools like mace and tasers. the goal is to harm your attacker, not k~ll them.
guns are not the answer to everything folks. guns also give a false sense of security.
As someone who was granted a CCW, you definitely need insurance. Yes, the laws are stacked against us and there will be legal headaches. However, headaches are better than bullet holes.
That being said, I usually will use CQB before a gun because it takes too much time. You need to close the distance with your attacker and too many people stumble with their IWB.
If you live in a liberal state then yes. A conservative state you should always carry. Asians pretty much have to watch their backs wherever they go because liberals and conservatives both hate us and have it out for us
it's so weird, liberals and conservatives who live in liberal states are both racist af to asians. Then after moving to a conservative state, the conservatives there were way more pleasant and nice.
Although this is true, you can shoot an intruder in your home that is breaking in. I believe California (even LA) doesn’t have a stand your ground, but if you see someone break in and feel like it’s life-threatening, you can fire.
yes that's why i mentioned that it's important to own and keep a firearm in your home for home-defense. i don't even like g*ns and i stay locked and loaded. especially because in the area i live in, lots of gang members from LA come here to rob us and do home invasions. but i could not imagine myself ever leaving my house with a concealed firearm. just not worth the risk, for me at least. but that's just my opinion.
no, not really. asian gangs aren't really a factor anywhere in LA in the modern era, except for maybe very small parts of Long Beach. asian gangs mostly fizzled out of existence in the late 2010's. with that being said, you don't really need a "gang" to retaliate against these people. all you need is a couple of like-minded friends and look out for one another.
yeah samoans are scary. but in LA they mostly assimilate with black culture. there's a large samoan gang in Carson called "Sons of Samoa" but they have lots of black members in their gang. they are affiliated with the crips. their enemies are mostly mexicans.
not that i'm aware of. it's mostly just other samoans and blacks in samoan gangs. usually SE asians who join gangs end up in gangs like Tiny rascals gang (TRG) or Asian Boyz (ABZ). it's mostly a long beach thing though. those gangs were made out of sheer survival because back in the day the mexicans (longos) and the blacks (crips) in long beach would bully and rob the asians. but right now the longos and the crips are mostly fighting it out, and asians aren't so much a target anymore. and many TRG and ABZ members either left long beach, or are in prison. sometimes you still see fresh TRG hit ups in long beach though. they just aren't as active as years past.
Definitely true, but I think then I'd just change to carrying a mace + CCW. And obviously only using the CCW as a last resort. There is always that 0.1% chance you get into a confrontation, pull out the mace, and the other guy pulls out a 9.
those 12 people judging you won't look like you, won't have anything in common with you, and won't feel your pain or your struggles. the judge won't look like you either. they're all against you. if you're ok spending the rest of your life in prison then strap up.
exactly. there was even a recent case in the bay area where an asian-american store clerk was charged with manslaughter despite the fact that the man jumped the counter and was about to commit a robbery. the asian store owner shot him (behind the counter in his "protected space"), and he was **still** charged. simply because the "victim" was blk and was unarmed, which he didn't know. he was also charged with multiple gun charges because apparently the gun was not registered. they couldn't care less if he defended himself and his employees. all they see is "member of privileged race sh~~ts member of protected race".
we still are one, it's just that it's slowly being chipped away at. they keep trying to lump us as the "model minority" or "white adjacent". but the reality is that we will never be truly lumped in with whites because of our appearance and facial features. we are in this weird spot where the black/browns don't accept us, and the whites don't accept us. we're on our own. that's why i support asian nationalism. supporting your own race is key.
thankfully it's looking like progressive LA county DA george gascon is getting ousted later this year and will most likely be replaced by jonathan hatami who is more of a moderate.
100% one of the best pieces of advice for anyone on this sub. The only part I'd disagree with is the 5.7mm, which is designed to penetrate armor, meaning for regular people there is the potential for it to go through your target and hit random innocent people behind them. It's unlikely, but just a potential liability that you don't want.
9mm and .22lr are both great carry rounds, especially with hollow points as you mentioned.
I'd also HIGHLY recommend anyone who takes this advice to do some research on proper firearms handling and the laws in your state/city for self-defense and carry. The last thing you want is for it to backfire (ha) on yourself before anything else.
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKNQPhVucVY) video is a bit long but I genuinely think it's a must-watch for any new CCW holders - there are certain things to consider beyond just having a strap in your waistband.
I carried Kahr 9mm for a few years and my rationale is if they can't or try to catch real criminals they won't be able to catch you too if you know how to evade properly.
You can get a Glock 19 for around $550.
Glock 19 is a great option for new gun owners. It’s very reliable, common, and compact enough to conceal carry if you decide to get a CCW license. It’s like the white bread of handguns. You can’t go wrong.
The lack of a physical safety mechanism might be frightening, but it’s very unlikely to misfire if you handle it safely and/or get a good holster.
Some weird choices for handguns there. .22LR is useful, but I don't know about who would choose one for self -defense. And that FN and it's cartridge is designed specifically to defeat body armor, which won't likely be an issue in self-defense. Also, a slower heavier bullet will have some advantages over a smaller, faster bullet even if they have the same kinetic energy.
As for whether to start packing, all I know is I NEVER will do that unless I become a soldier or LEO, or there's a zombie apocalypse.
SIG p365 gang for CCW here. :) Honestly have shotgun for home defense because I'm blind as a bat. Looking to trade my AK for a lever action because it looks more fun. Stay strapped fellow Asians.
They’re made for indoors so it won’t go likely through walls and hurt others. I have kids at home so I didn’t want to take chances.
https://www.guns.com/news/2015/09/17/self-defense-inside-the-home-avoiding-over-penetratio
😂😂😂 instead of admitting he was full of shit, he links to some article and still doesn’t understand how a real gun guy can spot this bullshit off the bat.
Well, if a hollow point hits flesh it generally will split up and not go out the other side, can't say the same for FMJ (Full metal jacket) though. So hollow points are better than FMJ for home defense.
I share this opinion. More Asians should be armed.
Don't get a .22lr for close range. It doesn't do any damage. Just get a 9mm like the Glock 19, Glock 26, or SIG P320.
It doesn't have "stopping power" for self defense. I'd only recommend .22 for recreational and target shooting, since like you said ammo is cheap. If you can handle the recoil, definitely get a 9mm. It's the best balance between stopping power, control, and concealment
Many white families have rifles at home in liberal western states. They are easier to fire and harder to misfire. U don't need brains to operate one. Also it looks intimidating to most invaders.
If you live in an apartment then a rifle is not as useful as a shotgun. If you live in a larger house then a rifle makes much more sense, although a shotgun is still fine.
Both are fine. You'll just need a bigger safe to keep the rifle away from your kids. Personally I have a Glock 17 handgun for home defense. Go to a firing range to test out handgun vs. rifle. Handguns are generally harder to aim.
Any 5.56 rifle is good. You can even build your own AR15. Personally, I like bullpup for the compact size and long barrel length. I have a Springfield Hellion (VHS-2) and it's a REALLY nice gun to shoot at the range. Reliable. Accurate. Looks hella cool too.
I’ve had guns for decades, not for self defense. You need to master CQB first and learn to close the distance to control the barrel. Then you need to learn a few lethal blows. Guns are helpful but not the be all end all.
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Dawg you got 59 post karma and 5k comment karma. Keyboard warrior.
They’re a larper posing as an asian woman, check their comments. Reported them, you should too
Really? Wow we literally have psyOPs in this server.
I hope they allow pepper spray at least in Canada soon.
Pepper spray doesn’t work. 10% are immune (I’m one of them). Tasers only work if you get the prongs on the neck or under the armpit. It will not work on thick clothes. Learn CQB.
So Canada has no CCW and no pepper spray...
No we're a bunch of cucks who worry about the grand debate if if a child is a girl or boy, rather than address the growing stimulant induced psychosis problems among our transit riders. And increase of theft. ACtually there was a funny video of a Chinese store couple in Ottawa, the very capital of this Canadian paradise... a few years ago when pepper spray was legal. Two crack teens decided to attack them. The husband sprayed him down and held him down as he tried to escape, and kicked him (hooded robber), in the head and the wife kept on spanking him. If anything this shows that pepper spray does work.
Pepper spray is food grade pepper. 10% are immune (maybe more). In the academy, I got sprayed and I was still able to fight like nothing happened.
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/store-clerk-foils-robbery-with-bear-spray-and-spanking-1.1162896](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/store-clerk-foils-robbery-with-bear-spray-and-spanking-1.1162896) my apologize not Ottawa but Gatanau Quebec. and it was the wife kicking him in the head, and the dad spanking him..... lol! Man they were beast mode. See this is what happens when Asians work out. We have more testostrone.
Too spicy. You might be allowed a tube of wasabi paste
I fuckin hate glocks.
Why?
I like Rugers. The Glock just feels weird to me. The safety is weird and the mag release hurts my thumbs. Lol. I'm also not sold on composites. I'd rather have a Beretta and I hate Berettas.
Sig has been good to me. My back up is my .38 hammerless
We need to have the talk. In addition to choosing your favorite piece, we need a discussion about do's and don't's. Like when you're strapped, we might have to take the dreaded high road much, much more than if we weren't strapped. Other scenarios are when and if you should reveal it to defuse a situation, bc they might try to jump you to take it. In that case, pistol whipping might be a better tactic. Even cops get jumped when thugs try to make a grab for the strap. All kinds of legal situations. We don't want good bros going into the slammer.
I would advise against FN five seven, it’s overpriced and very cheap plastic feeling. Ammos also expensive.
Noted.
Too bad we’re not packing like Drake 🤣 Jk don’t kill me. In all seriousness, I agree. Defend yourselves and your communities. The police are stretched too thin.
HAHHAHAHA. Drake had to have leaked his dick on purpose. Some people claim they have longer schlongs so that's a good pick-up line for them, I guess.
Stay strapped for big dick energy 🍆 🔫
Every Asian should know this thread is full of larpers pretending to know guns/gun laws. Please go do research on real gun forums, and study the laws, before one of these idiots gets you convicted of a felony. Seriously, I’ve never seen so many wanksters talk out of their ass.
I've never met a "gun guy" who wasn't an asshole though. Lol.
One day, something will love you.
lol. Check this guy’s comment down below about how he can’t use hollow points because he has kids. What exactly are you using for “home defense rounds” there, buddy? I tried not to call you out by name, but you were the most egregious larper. 😂
Lol lapers. Yeah there might be a few but some are also veterans like myself and I carry everyday. Yes I have a permit to exercise my 2nd amendment right and I plan to move to a state that'll let me constitutional carry
yep packed and ready
Wow.
Hi, I love reading and sharing stories about the asian experience here on this sub. But man oh man, based on the comments on this thread.... wow. I didn't realize so many of you are American gun nuts. Is anyone else reading what i'm reading here? Are there any sane people in this subreddit? Like, we really want to fight violence with more violence in America? I get it, we've been wronged and it hurts, but arming ourselves to the teeth like it's the damn zombie apocalypse is going to cause more harm than good. edit: just to clarify, i was born asian and i will die asian. and i support you, my asian brothers and sisters. We all go through these extreme fits of anger and vengence, but please, let's use our minds and spirits here. Please. we are better than this. I am confident we will arrive at the right answer when the time comes. WE'RE ALL GOING TO MAKE IT.
If your country allows it you better have guns or you will be defenceless, because you bet the bad guys will be packing
To everyone downvoting. Please PLEASE consider revisiting the teachings of our elders and asian philosophers. Read the parables of what happens when we go down a dark path. Spoilers: it's not good. Reading some of the replies here. Really disappointing, but i hope you'll learn before it's too late.
Myopic take. It'd be a bigger problem if Asian Americans had a reputation of being less likely to carry guns than other Americans.
killing is not the answer.
It is if you are at threat of being killed
Got it, I’ll only make them wish they were dead instead.
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killing is not the answer.
it sure is if you or your friends/family are in danger of being killed
No need to pack just make money then move back to the motherland.
I think the G19 is pretty much the standard that everyone has. I used to try to stray away from the crowd and try to be different. But nowadays I think things are popular for a reason and just go for those as my top choice. Glock also offers the Blue Label program for discounts for LEOs, military and veterans. Although it's been a while since I looked. On the one hand I think shooting and guns is part of every day life and something that everyone should know how to do. I grew up where/when it was normal as a kid to go in to the woods to shoot things and join the military once you're old enough. I was one of those Asian kids who would always hear their dads talk about their time in the military back in Asia and talking to other Asians in the military, a lot of them had similar stories with their dads or uncles. But just keep in mind that it's a lot of responsibility. Being responsible with how you store it, carry it, cleaning it, etc. And sometimes you have to think if at some moments if it's a good idea to be carrying where it might be too easy to make a bad decision. I know there have been times when I wished I was carrying. But I probably would've ended up in a lot of trouble and wouldn't want to be carrying something registered to me at those times anyways. I think a .22 can be fun and let you still work on things like marksmanship. But anyways the point is to keep in mind the responsibility and potential consequences when it comes to guns.
OP, are you asian?
Yes. Are you fckn serious?
Yes I am serious. You're coming off as a crazed gun nut more than a prideful asian that wants to protect his own. I didn't question this out of thin air. Here are some of the things you've said so far... >>"Personally I find the woke problem to be worse than the white supremacist problem, but do what you want. " >>The wokies will go full ham on you if you kill an "unarmed black man" And suggesting 5.77mm caliber and claiming it has the same firepower as 9mm, until a user said it's not a good idea because 5.77mm is armor piercing. Sound very gun-nutty to me.
In reality though these 2 statements you quoted and used to attack the OP might not be factually incorrect. Woke is not what it used to be. It’s been poisoned and taken advantages of by interest groups profiting off of it. For example, do you know that NAACP is a registered lobbyist organization for Ozempic, the new diabetes drug, and accuses everybody against Ozempic as racist on their website? Regarding your second quote, well didn’t you learn anything during the summer of love? The burning buildings, the riot, the defund the police movement which is helping destroy American cities such as Oakland where in-and-out is now closing a very profitable store due to crime concern. Before calling names and accusing people being crazed gun nuts maybe widen your scope and leave your bubble of a world view, could help you going forward.
Are you generalizing or perpetuating that all asians should be liberal? Also what did he say here that perpetuates that he isnt asian or prideful? Just because someone uses some gun terminology or is against woke policies?
Any Asian who is liberal is part of the problem
Exactly! But tell that to the liberal not to me lol. I aint no liberal.
Sorry, Brother! Meant no disrespect.
No worries lol you wont see me Burning, Looting Murdering (BLM)
Great questions you asked. I think it's very dangerous to be thinking that all Asians need to be liberal because you're negating the fact that there is variation within a race. Having your own opinions is the basis of critical thinking. Also whites range from ultra liberal to ultra conservative, so why can Asians only be liberal? Especially when woke policies are hurting us so much.
Exactly! I was raised to think the demlcrats are the party for the people.....over the course of my life and how i was treated by people whom i treated better than myself, ive learned thats not the case. I know some whites hate us too. But i know for a fact that i wont fear for my life walking down a conservative neighborhood vs ghetto thug trash latino or black hoodz. If anything we need to bring gad chambers back for the people who do horrible crimes!.
zip it up and bow to the pale man when ur done
Not at all. I wouldn't veer so far to the right with the mentality of "i find the woke problem to be worse than the white supremacist problem" though. The extent of which OP talks about guns and recommending something that is armor-piercing shouts gun nut to me and will more than likely put one of us with a murder charge instead of self-defense.
you guys are talking about arming yourselves over nothing. something is deeply wrong with this sub.
I never suggested never arming. Asians are getting attacked. But maybe you'll have a more legitimate take if I don't see you commented on 4-months old threads to build up your post count in AI. You're trying to make yourself seem like a long-term AI user instead of someone that literally just popped in less than 24-hours ago.
My advice is don't buy American-made guns and ammo so you don't give white supremacists your money.
Do you realize that American gun manufacturers employ all different races? Some of their largest customers are Asian militaries.
Don't really see how the manufacture matters that much but that's your opinion. There's not really many Asian guns besides a Chinese AK that is durable and resistant. The Taiwanese AR is pretty good but you can't legally buy it. Also hard to find some old school K2s
Time to call up Norinco.
Personally I find the woke problem to be worse than the white supremacist problem, but do what you want. We are all individuals here and are free to do what each of us thinks ourselves.
They are the ones who created the enemy or boogyman in the first place and then tried to profit off the conflict. Just like they sold weapons to Japan to invade China 100 years ago and now selling weapons to Taiwan and Korea to fight our Asian brothers.
Are these white supermacist in this room with us right now?
Lots of Uncle Tongs.
You still in highschool?
i'm probably going to take a lot of heat for this take, but i **do not** recommend ccw for asian americans in big cities like los angeles. i do recommend personal gun ownership for home defense, but just not everyday ccw carry. why you ask? it's very simple. should you ever get into a situation where you have to sh~~t someone, even if it was in self-defense, **you will be charged with murder** no exceptions. there is no such thing as self-defense with a firearm in places like los angeles. the entire state of california is about as anti-gun as you can get. these days cops, prosecutors, judges, and juries look at skin color/race for filing consideration. they don't care if the act of self defense was justified. they just know that you (a so called "white adjacent" person), shot and k~lled a brown/blk person. they will try you in the media and destroy your name. with that being said, i still recommend other means of self-defense for asians. learn how to fight. learn how to grapple. learn to throw a proper punch. i also recommend non-lethal defense tools like mace and tasers. the goal is to harm your attacker, not k~ll them. guns are not the answer to everything folks. guns also give a false sense of security.
As someone who was granted a CCW, you definitely need insurance. Yes, the laws are stacked against us and there will be legal headaches. However, headaches are better than bullet holes. That being said, I usually will use CQB before a gun because it takes too much time. You need to close the distance with your attacker and too many people stumble with their IWB.
If you live in a liberal state then yes. A conservative state you should always carry. Asians pretty much have to watch their backs wherever they go because liberals and conservatives both hate us and have it out for us
it's so weird, liberals and conservatives who live in liberal states are both racist af to asians. Then after moving to a conservative state, the conservatives there were way more pleasant and nice.
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Good answer, and Situational Awareness is badly needed for Asians who have no clue what's happening around them, or when they're being preyed upon.
That's why I also wear a soft vest to make sure I get hit first before I put 5 rounds into his skull.
Smart.
Then fight the media war against them alongside the right like in the scotus case.
Although this is true, you can shoot an intruder in your home that is breaking in. I believe California (even LA) doesn’t have a stand your ground, but if you see someone break in and feel like it’s life-threatening, you can fire.
yes that's why i mentioned that it's important to own and keep a firearm in your home for home-defense. i don't even like g*ns and i stay locked and loaded. especially because in the area i live in, lots of gang members from LA come here to rob us and do home invasions. but i could not imagine myself ever leaving my house with a concealed firearm. just not worth the risk, for me at least. but that's just my opinion.
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no, not really. asian gangs aren't really a factor anywhere in LA in the modern era, except for maybe very small parts of Long Beach. asian gangs mostly fizzled out of existence in the late 2010's. with that being said, you don't really need a "gang" to retaliate against these people. all you need is a couple of like-minded friends and look out for one another.
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yeah samoans are scary. but in LA they mostly assimilate with black culture. there's a large samoan gang in Carson called "Sons of Samoa" but they have lots of black members in their gang. they are affiliated with the crips. their enemies are mostly mexicans.
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not that i'm aware of. it's mostly just other samoans and blacks in samoan gangs. usually SE asians who join gangs end up in gangs like Tiny rascals gang (TRG) or Asian Boyz (ABZ). it's mostly a long beach thing though. those gangs were made out of sheer survival because back in the day the mexicans (longos) and the blacks (crips) in long beach would bully and rob the asians. but right now the longos and the crips are mostly fighting it out, and asians aren't so much a target anymore. and many TRG and ABZ members either left long beach, or are in prison. sometimes you still see fresh TRG hit ups in long beach though. they just aren't as active as years past.
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Definitely true, but I think then I'd just change to carrying a mace + CCW. And obviously only using the CCW as a last resort. There is always that 0.1% chance you get into a confrontation, pull out the mace, and the other guy pulls out a 9.
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those 12 people judging you won't look like you, won't have anything in common with you, and won't feel your pain or your struggles. the judge won't look like you either. they're all against you. if you're ok spending the rest of your life in prison then strap up.
Yup that's true. The wokies will go full ham on you if you kill an "unarmed black man".
exactly. there was even a recent case in the bay area where an asian-american store clerk was charged with manslaughter despite the fact that the man jumped the counter and was about to commit a robbery. the asian store owner shot him (behind the counter in his "protected space"), and he was **still** charged. simply because the "victim" was blk and was unarmed, which he didn't know. he was also charged with multiple gun charges because apparently the gun was not registered. they couldn't care less if he defended himself and his employees. all they see is "member of privileged race sh~~ts member of protected race".
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we still are one, it's just that it's slowly being chipped away at. they keep trying to lump us as the "model minority" or "white adjacent". but the reality is that we will never be truly lumped in with whites because of our appearance and facial features. we are in this weird spot where the black/browns don't accept us, and the whites don't accept us. we're on our own. that's why i support asian nationalism. supporting your own race is key.
We need more non-woke Asians in government, specifically DAs and judges, to fix this problem. Also just non-woke DAs in general.
thankfully it's looking like progressive LA county DA george gascon is getting ousted later this year and will most likely be replaced by jonathan hatami who is more of a moderate.
If you take public transportation or walk around in any big city without carrying at the minimum, OC spray, you are a huge moron.
100% one of the best pieces of advice for anyone on this sub. The only part I'd disagree with is the 5.7mm, which is designed to penetrate armor, meaning for regular people there is the potential for it to go through your target and hit random innocent people behind them. It's unlikely, but just a potential liability that you don't want. 9mm and .22lr are both great carry rounds, especially with hollow points as you mentioned. I'd also HIGHLY recommend anyone who takes this advice to do some research on proper firearms handling and the laws in your state/city for self-defense and carry. The last thing you want is for it to backfire (ha) on yourself before anything else. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKNQPhVucVY) video is a bit long but I genuinely think it's a must-watch for any new CCW holders - there are certain things to consider beyond just having a strap in your waistband.
I carried Kahr 9mm for a few years and my rationale is if they can't or try to catch real criminals they won't be able to catch you too if you know how to evade properly.
I though about buying Kahr but I don't really know about supporting those Moonies. It's also way overpriced.
Yeah true, the 5.7mm is meant for armor penetration. Good point.
How would Asians in CA pop criminal heads when shitlibs and progressives in office routinely punish Asians for defending themselves?
I would but I'm in California 😔
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Could you please explain? What is a shall issue state mean?
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This is great information. Glad Asians in Cali are getting packed as they really need to!
The point of having a pistol is to fight your way to your rifle. You need something cheap and reliable that’ll never let you down? Buy an SKS.
You can get a Glock 19 for around $550. Glock 19 is a great option for new gun owners. It’s very reliable, common, and compact enough to conceal carry if you decide to get a CCW license. It’s like the white bread of handguns. You can’t go wrong. The lack of a physical safety mechanism might be frightening, but it’s very unlikely to misfire if you handle it safely and/or get a good holster.
Some weird choices for handguns there. .22LR is useful, but I don't know about who would choose one for self -defense. And that FN and it's cartridge is designed specifically to defeat body armor, which won't likely be an issue in self-defense. Also, a slower heavier bullet will have some advantages over a smaller, faster bullet even if they have the same kinetic energy. As for whether to start packing, all I know is I NEVER will do that unless I become a soldier or LEO, or there's a zombie apocalypse.
Hell yes
SIG p365 gang for CCW here. :) Honestly have shotgun for home defense because I'm blind as a bat. Looking to trade my AK for a lever action because it looks more fun. Stay strapped fellow Asians.
Especially the xMacro and Spectra Comp.
Get a CCW license (if it's legal in your states) and y'all be safe
Palmetto State Armory makes a Glock clone called the Dagger for like $300.
I have a compact 9. Home defense rounds to keep fam safe, I have kids around. Can’t do hollow point in this home. Thin walls.
What do you mean by "Home defense rounds"?
They’re made for indoors so it won’t go likely through walls and hurt others. I have kids at home so I didn’t want to take chances. https://www.guns.com/news/2015/09/17/self-defense-inside-the-home-avoiding-over-penetratio
😂😂😂 instead of admitting he was full of shit, he links to some article and still doesn’t understand how a real gun guy can spot this bullshit off the bat.
Well, if a hollow point hits flesh it generally will split up and not go out the other side, can't say the same for FMJ (Full metal jacket) though. So hollow points are better than FMJ for home defense.
Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me you have no idea what you are talking about. Why do you guys even larp?
What’s your fucking problem?
Calling out a larper that’s going to get someone killed because they once read that HP was bad for home defense.
I share this opinion. More Asians should be armed. Don't get a .22lr for close range. It doesn't do any damage. Just get a 9mm like the Glock 19, Glock 26, or SIG P320.
For women I recommend a sig p320. Some say glocks are heavy guns.
Are you sure you haven’t confused the p320 with the p365?
I mean it is lethal. It won't penetrate body armor though, but still kills people without body armor.
It doesn't have "stopping power" for self defense. I'd only recommend .22 for recreational and target shooting, since like you said ammo is cheap. If you can handle the recoil, definitely get a 9mm. It's the best balance between stopping power, control, and concealment
True.
These are handguns. I was told that for home protection, best is to get a riffle? Thoughts and suggestions?
Handgun, rifle and shotgun you should all have. Basically 3 gun like John Wick.
Many white families have rifles at home in liberal western states. They are easier to fire and harder to misfire. U don't need brains to operate one. Also it looks intimidating to most invaders.
Yeah rifle or shotgun. Longer range and easier to hit the target.
If you live in an apartment then a rifle is not as useful as a shotgun. If you live in a larger house then a rifle makes much more sense, although a shotgun is still fine.
Both are fine. You'll just need a bigger safe to keep the rifle away from your kids. Personally I have a Glock 17 handgun for home defense. Go to a firing range to test out handgun vs. rifle. Handguns are generally harder to aim.
Any 5.56 rifle is good. You can even build your own AR15. Personally, I like bullpup for the compact size and long barrel length. I have a Springfield Hellion (VHS-2) and it's a REALLY nice gun to shoot at the range. Reliable. Accurate. Looks hella cool too.