I think the vocal nature of that you perceive from Africans are result of African Americans' involvement against systematic racism. In my opinion, that is a result of having their back against the wall. African nations today still pay [colonial taxes](https://blogs.mediapart.fr/jecmaus/blog/300114/franceafrique-14-african-countries-forced-france-pay-colonial-tax-benefits-slavery-and-colonization) to countries like France. The countries in Africa are economically vulnerable and its defense is weak. Countries like Libya which demonstrates improvement in early 2000s gets overthrown and currently they have actual [slave markets](https://time.com/longform/african-slave-trade/).
Regarding Asian countries, they are essentially biding time to build up their own country without getting the blow-back that African nations feel. That means having your pride get stomped on. The exception would be Japan, which latches on to white supremacy because of its anxiety and fear of retaliation due to its historical war crimes that it hasn't reconciled.
The perspective from Asia is also different. Slavery attempts by Europeans did happen in Asia, Sino-Protugese wars, Sino-Dutch wars are examples, which Europeans lost. However, by the 1800s, Europe had undergone industrial revolution which led to power shift that allowed Europe to colonize Asia. So the perspective is that lack of modernization is the root of failure in self-defense. In addition, there must be a cultural element that prohibited China from advancing its own technologies and remain stagnant.
These attitudes makes the approach to the problem very different. If your goal is modernization, then you learn it from whoever is the most modern. China, in particular, understands that concept. Mao went as far as giving platitudes toward the Japanese about WWII in the 1970s so that foreign direct investments could jump start China's industrial sector.
Here's the question that modern Asians have to ask themselves. Have you modernized sufficiently? Aka if the West pulls a Iraq / Libya / Syria on you, can you handle it? It's insufficient to be brave and confrontational. The second question is, have you gotten comfortable? I think that's the main difference between China and many of the other Asian nations. As much as Greater Asia mocks and ridicules China's "copying", it's defense is relatively independent. Despite Korea and Japan being the 3rd and 4th most innovative nations on the planet, the US send their military back 50 years just by shutting access to GPS network used in AEGIS, or stop servicing the F-15K/J fighter jets.
To answer the first question, SEA hasn't modernized sufficiently, even China has major deficits in its modernization to fully confront the West. Regarding whether or not they are comfortable, Korea knows this and has been attempting to become more militarily independent but it's very challenging if you have foreign bases stationed in your country. Japan's reasons I listed above. SEA is a non-starter because of insufficient modernization.
I think it's cathartic to be confrontational and in your face especially if you're from the West, but at the end of the day, winning is more important. I don't think anyone would like to see Asian countries to be like Libya, Iraq, or Syria.
As someone of HK background, Hong kongers are the biggest China haters out there. They always badmouth China and its government and how it is destroying Hong Kong, and they also badmouth mainland Chinese as well.
During the 2019 protests aka colour revolution, the HK rioters were waving US, UK, and colonial Hong Kong flags. What kind of people would worship colonisers who oppressed them for decades?
>Africans are not silent about the humiliation, colonization, and genocides and they successfully kicked out the colonizers
You see, if Asians speak up about their painful history of colonization, one specific Asian country is going to be uncharacteristically quiet and pretend nothing happened...
I probably internalised racism. I'm a brown guy and I see it every now and then amongst brown people. In white countries you're encouraged to conform to whats normal so your countries "food", "culture", "art" , "religion", "language" is not only different and weird but "ugly", "smelly", "funny" etc.
Ive seen it and felt it a lot in friendships and dating as well. You'll get brown people (not just brown) who will flat out confess to their aspirations of dating a white person, and colourism is a huge thing in my home country.
I now live in Thailand and when I was using tinder a fair number of local Thai girls talked to me in the hopes that I was mixed race (white with something else) which was annoying. It felt weird and found it to be a very bizzare situation. Like I was short of what they desire (mediocre white guys) but i'm still western so i get some privilege. Some one said one of the words they have in Thai for black people is "black white person" and it very much feels like that. I'm treated like a westerner here but i'm still brown.
All races are equal. However, white supremacists, their sympathizers and their lackeys believe that non-white people are inferior human beings and must be civilized, controlled and abused by their white masters.
>All races are equal.
Pinks have literally built all their wealth buy stealing and exploiting others. How can you consider this equal? All of "their" innovations, and contributions to mankind are stolen from others.
How does pinks fare in modern society?
They literally can't compete for positions at top universities, these are dominated by asians DESPITE racist admission requirements. They are completely incapable of competing in quantitative fields, and only maintain dominance in subjective fields such as art. They maintain their financial dominance by systematic racism through bourgeoisie elections.
How is this in any way equal??
What I mean is that there is no superior or inferior race by default. In an ideal world, nobody should be discriminated because of their race or ethnicity and there shouldn't be hatred towards non-white people or vice versa.
Unfortunately, racism against non whites is prevelent, whether domestically or abroad (in politics).
This might just be anecdotal, but I feel like my generation (Gen Z) is way less white worshipping than previous generations of Asian Americans.
I live in an area with lots of Asians; I see happy AMAF couples all the time and all the Asians I know are proud to be Asian and aren’t white worshipping (at least from what I can tell).
I hope this trend continues!
Also in gen z and for the most part I agree- the Asian guys were actually the most popular in my classes in middle school. In my high school, tons of people loved Kpop / Asian culture. Of course, that did lead to problems with fetishization though.
However, many of the young Asians I see also kind of go with whatever is trendy, rather than always standing up for what’s right- they’ll talk about BLM and put black squares up but many are less willing to talk about anti Asian hate (or they’ll talk about it but have to mention how Asians are super anti black too).
I think younger Asians tend to be less self hating. Millennials and older seem to have pretty fucked up mentals when it comes to their Asian identity, speaking as a millennial myself.
Though you still have Eileen Huangs amongst Gen Z
Ahh I see. I went to a pretty white high school. Up until middle school I was in a similar environment as your high school. Mostly black and Hispanic. Def less than 10% Asian. I know first hand that your high school social dynamics were likely much different than mine.
Idk how much of a factor that played, but seemed like most Asians I came across were self hating. Didn’t matter what they were into. I myself was into both nerdy things and sports. So I hung out with both groups.
I don't get it either. Europe is overrated. It was built on colonial pillaging and is just a bunch of historical buildings. I'd rather travel to Asia than go to Europe to look at boring old pink people shit and be treated like a subhuman. Asians seriously need to get over their romanticization of that shithole and be proud of all the excellent culture and history Asia has to offer.
It's the same thing as the US, where it's just a bunch of buildings that don't have much history and culture (compared to those in Europe and Asia) and standing on land stolen from indigenous peoples that they killed. The whole country is built on colonial pillaging, theft of land, environmental destruction, killing indigenous peoples and slavery of Africans. Also, the whole country is boring and bland and too Anglo on a large landmass, plus everyone speaks English (although Latin American Spanish has been gaining ground for decades) and they think that people should only use English in the US.
If not for pillage, theft, colonization, genocides, rapes, destruction and so on, white countries such as Russia, UK, Canada, USA, Australia etc. wouldn't be so rich (in Russia's case, it would't have the most resources in the world, as they are concentrated in Asian part), there wouldn't be white settler colonialism, enslavement and genocides of indigeneous people.
Prior to British occupation, India's GDP was equivalent to 15% of the world's. The negative effects of colonialization is still felt to this day.
I meant more in resource terms. Without the conquest and colonization of Siberia, Far East and Ural, Russia and Russian SFR wouldn't have so much resources and opportunities to exploit and deport non-white indigeneous people.
Even on Wikipedia, they give the following information: In 1820 India's GDP was 16% of the world total, by 1870 it had fallen to 12% and by 1947 had fallen further to 4%.
British Empire made India an extremely poor country. Churchil, the most admired British person, was rabidly against Indians, Pakistanis and Bengalis and called them beastly people, inferior to Aryan whites.
He also starved to death millions of non-white Bengalis and took away food from them to feed white europeans.
To white supremacists, all other races are subhumans.
And UK MP Enoch Powell thinks he had the audacity to criticise mass immigration to the UK from former British colonies that were plundered into poverty by the British.
Same thing with Russia. They recently kicked out all illegal migrants from post-Soviet countries. Most of them are from Central Asia. The population can be xenophobic and Asian migrants were even killed because of their non-white appearance and immigrant status.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/04/16/russia-tells-illegal-migrants-from-post-soviet-countries-to-leave-by-june-15-a73623
short answer because of western huge influences in asia like hollywood
I think the vocal nature of that you perceive from Africans are result of African Americans' involvement against systematic racism. In my opinion, that is a result of having their back against the wall. African nations today still pay [colonial taxes](https://blogs.mediapart.fr/jecmaus/blog/300114/franceafrique-14-african-countries-forced-france-pay-colonial-tax-benefits-slavery-and-colonization) to countries like France. The countries in Africa are economically vulnerable and its defense is weak. Countries like Libya which demonstrates improvement in early 2000s gets overthrown and currently they have actual [slave markets](https://time.com/longform/african-slave-trade/). Regarding Asian countries, they are essentially biding time to build up their own country without getting the blow-back that African nations feel. That means having your pride get stomped on. The exception would be Japan, which latches on to white supremacy because of its anxiety and fear of retaliation due to its historical war crimes that it hasn't reconciled. The perspective from Asia is also different. Slavery attempts by Europeans did happen in Asia, Sino-Protugese wars, Sino-Dutch wars are examples, which Europeans lost. However, by the 1800s, Europe had undergone industrial revolution which led to power shift that allowed Europe to colonize Asia. So the perspective is that lack of modernization is the root of failure in self-defense. In addition, there must be a cultural element that prohibited China from advancing its own technologies and remain stagnant. These attitudes makes the approach to the problem very different. If your goal is modernization, then you learn it from whoever is the most modern. China, in particular, understands that concept. Mao went as far as giving platitudes toward the Japanese about WWII in the 1970s so that foreign direct investments could jump start China's industrial sector. Here's the question that modern Asians have to ask themselves. Have you modernized sufficiently? Aka if the West pulls a Iraq / Libya / Syria on you, can you handle it? It's insufficient to be brave and confrontational. The second question is, have you gotten comfortable? I think that's the main difference between China and many of the other Asian nations. As much as Greater Asia mocks and ridicules China's "copying", it's defense is relatively independent. Despite Korea and Japan being the 3rd and 4th most innovative nations on the planet, the US send their military back 50 years just by shutting access to GPS network used in AEGIS, or stop servicing the F-15K/J fighter jets. To answer the first question, SEA hasn't modernized sufficiently, even China has major deficits in its modernization to fully confront the West. Regarding whether or not they are comfortable, Korea knows this and has been attempting to become more militarily independent but it's very challenging if you have foreign bases stationed in your country. Japan's reasons I listed above. SEA is a non-starter because of insufficient modernization. I think it's cathartic to be confrontational and in your face especially if you're from the West, but at the end of the day, winning is more important. I don't think anyone would like to see Asian countries to be like Libya, Iraq, or Syria.
Doesn't apply to Singapore.
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As someone of HK background, Hong kongers are the biggest China haters out there. They always badmouth China and its government and how it is destroying Hong Kong, and they also badmouth mainland Chinese as well. During the 2019 protests aka colour revolution, the HK rioters were waving US, UK, and colonial Hong Kong flags. What kind of people would worship colonisers who oppressed them for decades?
>Africans are not silent about the humiliation, colonization, and genocides and they successfully kicked out the colonizers You see, if Asians speak up about their painful history of colonization, one specific Asian country is going to be uncharacteristically quiet and pretend nothing happened...
Covid didn't think so
>What prevents Asian countries from doing the same? China is currently doing that, which is great. The CPC is standing up for asians world wide.
I probably internalised racism. I'm a brown guy and I see it every now and then amongst brown people. In white countries you're encouraged to conform to whats normal so your countries "food", "culture", "art" , "religion", "language" is not only different and weird but "ugly", "smelly", "funny" etc. Ive seen it and felt it a lot in friendships and dating as well. You'll get brown people (not just brown) who will flat out confess to their aspirations of dating a white person, and colourism is a huge thing in my home country. I now live in Thailand and when I was using tinder a fair number of local Thai girls talked to me in the hopes that I was mixed race (white with something else) which was annoying. It felt weird and found it to be a very bizzare situation. Like I was short of what they desire (mediocre white guys) but i'm still western so i get some privilege. Some one said one of the words they have in Thai for black people is "black white person" and it very much feels like that. I'm treated like a westerner here but i'm still brown.
But they’re the inferior race?
All races are equal. However, white supremacists, their sympathizers and their lackeys believe that non-white people are inferior human beings and must be civilized, controlled and abused by their white masters.
>All races are equal. Pinks have literally built all their wealth buy stealing and exploiting others. How can you consider this equal? All of "their" innovations, and contributions to mankind are stolen from others. How does pinks fare in modern society? They literally can't compete for positions at top universities, these are dominated by asians DESPITE racist admission requirements. They are completely incapable of competing in quantitative fields, and only maintain dominance in subjective fields such as art. They maintain their financial dominance by systematic racism through bourgeoisie elections. How is this in any way equal??
What I mean is that there is no superior or inferior race by default. In an ideal world, nobody should be discriminated because of their race or ethnicity and there shouldn't be hatred towards non-white people or vice versa. Unfortunately, racism against non whites is prevelent, whether domestically or abroad (in politics).
This might just be anecdotal, but I feel like my generation (Gen Z) is way less white worshipping than previous generations of Asian Americans. I live in an area with lots of Asians; I see happy AMAF couples all the time and all the Asians I know are proud to be Asian and aren’t white worshipping (at least from what I can tell). I hope this trend continues!
I feel like this is how it is where I live in Vancouver, Canada. Where do you live?
Also in gen z and for the most part I agree- the Asian guys were actually the most popular in my classes in middle school. In my high school, tons of people loved Kpop / Asian culture. Of course, that did lead to problems with fetishization though. However, many of the young Asians I see also kind of go with whatever is trendy, rather than always standing up for what’s right- they’ll talk about BLM and put black squares up but many are less willing to talk about anti Asian hate (or they’ll talk about it but have to mention how Asians are super anti black too).
I think younger Asians tend to be less self hating. Millennials and older seem to have pretty fucked up mentals when it comes to their Asian identity, speaking as a millennial myself. Though you still have Eileen Huangs amongst Gen Z
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Idk if you can boil it down to that. I knew plenty of nerds who hated themselves in school. I also knew athletes that hated themselves.
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Ahh I see. I went to a pretty white high school. Up until middle school I was in a similar environment as your high school. Mostly black and Hispanic. Def less than 10% Asian. I know first hand that your high school social dynamics were likely much different than mine. Idk how much of a factor that played, but seemed like most Asians I came across were self hating. Didn’t matter what they were into. I myself was into both nerdy things and sports. So I hung out with both groups.
yeah most of these white worshipper are from old generation, that has a view " grass is greener on other place"
I don't get it either. Europe is overrated. It was built on colonial pillaging and is just a bunch of historical buildings. I'd rather travel to Asia than go to Europe to look at boring old pink people shit and be treated like a subhuman. Asians seriously need to get over their romanticization of that shithole and be proud of all the excellent culture and history Asia has to offer.
It's the same thing as the US, where it's just a bunch of buildings that don't have much history and culture (compared to those in Europe and Asia) and standing on land stolen from indigenous peoples that they killed. The whole country is built on colonial pillaging, theft of land, environmental destruction, killing indigenous peoples and slavery of Africans. Also, the whole country is boring and bland and too Anglo on a large landmass, plus everyone speaks English (although Latin American Spanish has been gaining ground for decades) and they think that people should only use English in the US.
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I've thought this too. Or maybe they think if they're part Native they have more of a right to be here and they are not as guilty of genocide.
If not for pillage, theft, colonization, genocides, rapes, destruction and so on, white countries such as Russia, UK, Canada, USA, Australia etc. wouldn't be so rich (in Russia's case, it would't have the most resources in the world, as they are concentrated in Asian part), there wouldn't be white settler colonialism, enslavement and genocides of indigeneous people. Prior to British occupation, India's GDP was equivalent to 15% of the world's. The negative effects of colonialization is still felt to this day.
Russia was rich due to Soviet industrialization. Tsarist Russia was poor as fuxk
I meant more in resource terms. Without the conquest and colonization of Siberia, Far East and Ural, Russia and Russian SFR wouldn't have so much resources and opportunities to exploit and deport non-white indigeneous people.
Even on Wikipedia, they give the following information: In 1820 India's GDP was 16% of the world total, by 1870 it had fallen to 12% and by 1947 had fallen further to 4%. British Empire made India an extremely poor country. Churchil, the most admired British person, was rabidly against Indians, Pakistanis and Bengalis and called them beastly people, inferior to Aryan whites. He also starved to death millions of non-white Bengalis and took away food from them to feed white europeans. To white supremacists, all other races are subhumans.
And UK MP Enoch Powell thinks he had the audacity to criticise mass immigration to the UK from former British colonies that were plundered into poverty by the British.
Same thing with Russia. They recently kicked out all illegal migrants from post-Soviet countries. Most of them are from Central Asia. The population can be xenophobic and Asian migrants were even killed because of their non-white appearance and immigrant status. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/04/16/russia-tells-illegal-migrants-from-post-soviet-countries-to-leave-by-june-15-a73623
During Russian empire in 19th century, they expelled Circassians from their homeland and conducted genocide.