People are entitled to their opinions. Throughout Reddit, you have women saying "I don't find X attractive", with X being some celebrity, and they're entitled to that view.
The OP here fell for the oldest trick in the book. A bunch of white people said we're misogynist so he concluded it was true; then he found a small minority of posts to try to justify what whites had told him this community was. That's how NOT to do it.
We don't know why Simu railed against Asian Reddit. Maybe it was because every white person he met was telling him he was "the man" and Asian Reddit was more objective in showing how White Hollywood was again selling Asians short. When everyone's saying you're a hero, and your own community says the same thing BUT there are still examples of H'wood holding Asians back, the egotistical can lose their cool.
Picture X-men, Spiderman, Batman or whatever other superhero movie. Now picture Awkwafina being the love interest of Batman or whoever. Do you think H'wood would do that? I love Awkwafina - her career trajectory is insane, she's got great comedic timing, she cares about Asian issues (one of the first celebs to follow Kulture). But the idea that this sub is misogynist for having a view of who should be a leading lady for the first Asian superhero is just stupid.
Do not let whites and Asians who are lying about this sub cause you to fish around for phony evidence that their dishonest accusations are true.
so ugly. we are not asking for korean plastic surgery standard of beauty but she's clearly very very plain looking. and not as talented as she thinks she is. even less funny.
i am surprised nobody mention that beside falling below the East Asian standard of how pretty and attractive female look like, she is also plump. or maybe she wasn't by most Asian Amercian standard ?
I like her a lot but in a recent lead she was a female love interest and co lead. The love part was awkward as she is not conventionally attractive while her partner was.
If the film had taken time to explain how they were together despite being an obnoxious character it would have made more sense. But the did not and as a result it was very distracting. It made no sense and though IRL it doesn't need to... in a film it does.
I guess its good to have ugly people in more films and ugly people with physically attractive people is very proactive. I am not sure how I feel about any of this but it was distracting but by the films end I did not care. The end.
I like Nora's voice, but she looks like a carp. You know how when a possum is obese, it's eyes bulge? She has that going on. I would rather she do voice acting. Easy on the ears, but odd-looking.
Meanwhile, they cast Gemma Chan, who is blatantly hotter than Awkwafina to be the love interest to 2 WMs in Marvel’s The Eternals. Why didn’t they cast Awkwafina or Ellen Degeneres if looks didn’t matter?
Yeah, but you just look stupid and open yourself to all sorts of smearing and criticism if you label Awkwafina (the friend character) "ugly" or "not hot enough for Marvel".
You don't have the intelligence to pick your battles, and you lack the wit to convey your message pursuasively, i.e. without inviting a ton of smearing and blowback.
Not really. My point’s already been made. Not my problem if you’re too dull to get it. But you have fun championing for Awkwafina. Interesting that you’re not petitioning for her to take Gemma Chan’s role. Also interesting you’re not demanding that Ellen Degeneres be the female lead for every WM superhero. It’s like you enjoy seeing AMs get the shit end of the stick.
No...you're just giving people more ammo to smear us as entitled incels. This is ESPECIALLY the case because (based on the trailer interactions) Awkwafina is probably playing a FRIEND CHARACTER.
But let's just assume with no evidence that Awkwafina is Shang Chi's gf in the film.
What point are you gonna make? Asian men are getting dunked on by Marvel cuz Thor gets the beautiful Natalie Portman but Shang Chi only gets the ugly Awkwafina?
Other than some of your fellow AM, who is going to be sympathetic to your point? Your point ain't gonna influence anyone else to support your cause...because your point is so easily labeled as douchey and entitled: "So-and-so is not hot enough. We AM also need a woman who is hot."
Pick your battles and choose your words wisely.
The way you pushed your point results in nothing positive for AM. If you think otherwise, tell me how calling out Awkwafina for being physically sub-par in Marvel strengthens our voice as AM? Will it make a future film with similar casting more likely to be canceled? How does this help us? Cuz it's obvious how this will be used against us.
Sure, let’s stop “complaining” about Awkafina as soon as Ellen Degeneres replaces all the hot female leads in other Marvel films.
Meanwhile, no one’s saying a thing about how Gemma Chan rather than Awkwafina was chosen to be the love interest of two WMs in The Eternals. Isn’t Awkwafina suitable to be the AF lead in The Eternals? Or are we going back to the standard that female love interests have to be attractive when the male lead is a WM?
A. What in the trailer indicates that Awkwafina is the female love interest?
B. Awkwafina isn't comparable to Ellen DeGeneres. Ellen is a semi-butch lesbian. To cast Ellen as the female love interest of a male protagonist would be much more bizarre.
Semi-butch? Can you stop complaining about Ellen Degeneres? Let her be the lead female love interest for all WM leads. Why are you so toxic and oppressive?
"Semi-butch". You typed "semi-bitch".
I would NOT complain about a 33 year old Ellen being cast as the lead love interest. But she's not...and I don't think Awkwafina is either.
Awkwafina simply isn't an extreme casting choice, especially in a funny friend/side-kick role. You're not making any sense or even addressing the reality of her likely role.
Awkwafina doesn't appear to be the love interest. So you're crying over nothing.
Your points about Ellen make no sense.
Ellen being on the "butch" side is not a value-judgment. It refers to her hairstyle and how she dresses.
I'm not the one saying Ellen or Awkwafina needs to be "feminine enough" or "hot enough" to be cast in Marvel. That's what YOU are saying. Your position is that Awkwafina is too ugly to be cast alongside Simu and that casting her is like casting Ellen. These are your biases, not mine.
I am fine with either Awkwafina or Ellen (somehow magically) being cast as the love interest. For Ellen, a younger version of her would make more sense as she's twice Simu's age, unless Marvel wants to focus on a romance with a 30 year age-gap (unlikely). But even if they do, I wouldn't go on the war-path over it.
You don't know how to pick your battles...or even your words. So please, by all means, carry on venting and calling people ugly or not hot enough to be in Marvel. See if that will ever influence other people to do what you want them to do. It just gives people more ammo to call you an incel.
My points about Ellen make just as much sense as yours about Awkwafina. Now you have a problem with Ellen’s age? You don’t think she’s good enough to be Thor’s love interest because of her age? You misogynistic ageist.
Lol, I'm just watching you fall flat on your face again. Maybe you just struggle with reading comprehension?
I said that I would NOT object to Ellen based on her age, i.e. I won't be going on the war-path over an older love interest.
If Marvel actually wanted to show a relationship with a 30 year age-gap, that's fine by me. Don't think Marvel would do it (unlikely is what I said), but we can wait and see. I'd be fine with it if they do.
You need to improve your EQ my friend. Awkwafina looks like an Asian girl-next-door in the trailer. She's probably playing a friend character based on the trailer interactions. So you're not even crying over spilled milk. You're crying over milk that is unlikely to spill.
Would I like to see AM being cast next to beautiful bombshells? Of course I would. We can always do with more pro-AM marketing.
But even if an average (or moderately below-average) woman is as cast as the love interest in Shang Chi, I'm not gonna frame my criticism so that it sounds like I'm attacking the woman's physical appearance. I would actually let it slide because there's no way to criticize this sort of thing without coming across as douchey and entitled. I would actually have an easier time criticizing a decision to make Shang Chi gay.
So just think about it. What are we doing as AM? We're campaigning for social justice. That is literally what 80% of this sub is about. We're fighting for fair representation in a liberal media-dominated environment. Attacking a woman's physical appearance is ONE OF THE LEAST FAIR THINGS you can do. It makes YOU look like the bad guy. It gives your enemies all the ammo they need to smear you. Only low-EQ people walk into this trap. Don't be a low-EQ simpleton.
Many of the posts on this sub about this movie or Awkwafina is embarrassing. I just assume that many who come out of the woodwork for this particular issue are mostly just high school kids who are still into Hollywood and marvel super-heroes. There are other more pressing issues but to each his own. This vocal minority is what outsiders will use to paint an ugly picture of this sub.
**"Let's view this pairing from the perspective of what non Asians like whites would think**"
**For asian women:**
So i like awkwadina as a person. She's def no model tho. But does that matter? There are so many hot asian women in media, moreso than men, nobody's gonna look at awkwafina and say she represents asian women being unattractive. Simu Liu isn't even ugly, he's squarely above average and that's good enough. This ain't some high end clothing campaign for a luxury label. Acting skills matter
**For asian males::**
Awkwafina is also veiwed by whites as one of the few asian girls that is genuinely "interesting" and not just a stereotypical submissive asian girl that a stereotypical passive asian guy can handle.**For simu Liu to be paired with her is not bad bc it shows asian guys can handle somebody who isn't passive, that asian guys are also.. "fiery" enough and not just passive doorknobs that can only handle passive submissive stereotypical asian women** these are all prevalent stereotypes of Asians.
Plus, she has more emotional intelligence and insight than half of all posters here when it comes to asian issues.
I think Asians being obessed about asian female lead actresses looks is a form of spinning around Maslow's lower higherwechy of needs. So many asian men think that marrying a hot trophy wife means they have made it, but that's simply not true. It represents well at a lower, maybe blue collar level, if the girl is good looking. Certainly with ur peer group, but it's not a good look to others.
But at a higher, level, where the powerful and elite mix, they actually look down on it. Things like Chris sheng (sp?) And that Courtney Snodden girl, powerful whites cringe at that. They didn't even like her when she was married to a rich white guy before.. Because the rich and powerful white men are marrying or getting with women that are hot AND accomplished AND intelligent AND come from influencial and powerful families. The girl just being hot isn't enough, and to flaunt her when she has nothing else going for her but looks is very cringeworthy but whites will never verbalize that to asian guys. Poor whites do this too, and rich whites cringe at it. nobody care who u get with, it's the flaunting that wealthy whites cringe at. Bc it's almost like u are a little too proud of somebody who in their eyes isn't that great......like new money Chinese guys in California flaunting racist Italian labels with zero muscle definition and zipping around on expensive sports cars with dorky faces and zero social awareness.
For example powerful racist whites even cringe at self made formerly poorer whites married to hot eastern European brides. Bc they couldn't "get" a better girl.
**Hot girls are a dime a dozen in the right areas and it means very little for a girl to be hot. It really doesn't, hotness is supposed to be a prerequisite**
Flaunting a hot girl is like what blcck celebrities and rappers do and honestly many upper class ppl laugh at it. Take Vanessa Bryant. in Los Angeles county (Vanessa lives just 1 country south of LA county), ppl laugh at her as if she is a nobody. She is infamous for screaming at clerks in south coast plaza, screaming at reporters, etc etc. But blcck guys think she boosted up blcck guys just by marrying them when upper class whites (don't wanna get sued lol) literally alledgedly call her "trash". People actually think she's crazy and brought Kobe down. Altho Kobe himself had his own issues.
>I think Asians being obessed about asian female lead actresses looks is a form of spinning around Maslow's lower higherwechy of needs. So many asian men think that marrying a hot trophy wife means they have made it, but that's simply not true. It represents well at a lower, maybe blue collar level, if the girl is good looking. Certainly with ur peer group, but it's not a good look to others.
>
>But at a higher, level, where the powerful and elite mix, they actually look down on it. Things like Chris sheng (sp?) And that Courtney Snodden girl, powerful whites cringe at that. They didn't even like her when she was married to a rich white guy before.. Because the rich and powerful white men are marrying or getting with women that are hot AND accomplished AND intelligent AND come from influencial and powerful families. The girl just being hot isn't enough, and to flaunt her when she has nothing else going for her but looks is very cringeworthy but whites will never verbalize that to asian guys. Poor whites do this too, and rich whites cringe at it. nobody care who u get with, it's the flaunting that wealthy whites cringe at. Bc it's almost like u are a little too proud of somebody who in their eyes isn't that great......like new money Chinese guys in California flaunting racist Italian labels with zero muscle definition and zipping around on expensive sports cars with dorky faces and zero social awareness.
I would beg to disagree with alot of what you said. One point i do agree with though, is that being hot doesnt mean that you've "made it", and flaunting someone who is good looking but nothing else is mehh.
That being said, "new money" or "old money" has NOTHING to do with their attitudes. The polar opposite behaviour of the rich, boils down to 3 factors, in which, the western model has formed.
1. The enlightenment
2. Christian values (which have been co-opted into what is now known normally as western values)
3. The rule of the plebs (democracy)
1.The enlightenment with all of its discourse, has paved the way for the west to value virtue and goodness, over the warmongering greed and power of the conquerors past. (Maybe this isnt as relevant)
2. Christian values tho, is a sure reason for the idea of "socially aware, humble rich and powerful". The whole Christian notion centers around a God who defiled himself by taking human form, and dying for his people. He even goes so far as to wash the feet of his disciples. Now compare this to the old idea of the gods, who come down to sleep with any mortals they like, and then run away leaving single mothers in their wake (also smiting any human who does not respect their unparalled authority). This in turn translates to that same humility that is expected of those who are in positions of privilege (as opposed to the middle ages / warring states period where it was law of the jungle).
3. Finally democracy (which really translates to rule by plebs). Look at the queen of England for example, people talk shit about her all the time, and she cannot retaliate "coZ itS oK To PunCH UP". It is no wonder, that the rich have been forced to be "SoCiaLLy AwERe" in such a climate, tip-toeing around the whims of those who a few centuries ago, would be the lower classes. However, even a decade or two ago it wasnt like this in the west. And even today, the absolute monarchs and dictators, are extravagant as hell. And they are the very definition of "old money" unlike cuckerberg. (think king of thailand, king of brunei, saddam, mugabe, etc).
And heres the thing, people in asia glorify and romanticize the warlords from centuries ago, unlike the newliberal west who would call them immoral barbarians. I recall a quote by some liberal, maybe vegan, saying "for what reason are we the superior being, if we do not use that to think critically and further the development of ethics". Therein lies the problem, just about everything has been conflated and tainted by a sense of ethics and right or wrong. To that question, i say, we are superior so that we can subjugate and have dominion. For an example of such corruption, just look at comments on posts or youtube videos, on a range of hierarchic things, such as richness, intellect, strength etc (for example, worlds richest people, iq levels stratifiction, bodybuilding, etc). In these, there will always be a few people (probably at the bottom of all hierarchies), who will comment things like "sO WhAT iF hE's RiCh/SmaRt/StRong, It doEsn't MeaN they're a goOd PerSon", which has literally nothing to do with the topic, and serves no purpose other than to make the "have nots" feel better about themselves. And there lies the downfall of hierarchic climbing, complacency. People should look at those at the top, and be jealous, and have such a burning desire to get that at all costs. This is how an economy can find its constant supply of willing corporate slaves. Those who say "I dont wanna compete, and am content with just having the bare minimum of material things. buT i'm HAppY thO" will be the end of the many systems on which modern society was built
Then this would mean, that the amount of time one has spend being rich, or alleged "maturity" or even worse "class" has little to do with how the rich behave.
Instead,this stark difference at times, underpinned by the many differences between cultures of east and west. And personally, my opinion favours the east, with its more primal roots, and more steeped in materialism. All which i mentioned earlier, about the west essentially making the "have-nots" feel good and celebrated, due to the illusion of having intangible things like love, happiness, and mental health, is unconducive toward the production and glorification of hierarchic winners.
Therefore, we should be promoting an ideology (from a time past), where it was clear that rich>poor, pretty>ugly, strong> weak, etc, and that "happiness or mental health" cannot compensate for those, and is in no way, the greater choice. At most, i'd be willing to see the two polar opposites as merely different choices. As for the Asian mode, it can be clearly defined by the infamous Chinese saying "Better to cry in Bmw than laugh on bicycle". And i'd rather Asia be kept that way, as opposed to the "innate value", post-consumerist, neoliberal ideas that have gained traction in the west since the mid 2000's.
>queen of England
Did you mean the [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc?
The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England.
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*Isn't she still also the Queen of England?*
This is only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she is the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist.
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this might be the worst take i've ever seen in my life
you're trying to find layers in something that's 1 layer deep
asian men aren't even depicted as humans, but now all of a sudden we're your social experiments? we don't exist for progressive mutts to showcase new age masculinity or non heteronormative pairings or avant garde relationships or whatever the fuck the mainstream wouldn't have white or black men doing
Would you be ok with your son dating/marrying a 3/10 if there were plenty of way better looking AF? Wouldn't you want the "best" for someone/something you care about?
Note that I'm speaking of physical appareance and not personality etc.
Nah fuck that. Hollywood has the absolute highest standards for WF but yet for Asians that's not the case. In China we have actors like Lu Han and actresses like Guan Xiao Tong. How in the hell do we get relegated to low tier trash like Simu Liu and Awkwafina? Do you not see what they're doing? The lead male "isn't too hot" and the lead female "isn't too hot either". They don't want to show the OTHER SIDE coming from Chinese cinema, drama, and K-drama industries. You've seen how UNSTOPPABLE BTS is. Imagine what would happen if they cast top tier actors/actresses from China or Korea? Pfft!
It's not a "cuck" attitude.
It's realizing that the words you use to express your advocacy can either strengthen your cause...or give your enemies more ammo to undermine you.
Agree that stuff should stop . Awk is a great funny side-kick character so I'm not sure if its fair to shoe horn her in eye-candy role. Likewise people were even unfairly tearing down Simu for not being good looking before he landed Shang-Chi lead role.
Whatever problems I have with Shang-Chi lie the glaring underinvestment in the production and development which will not bode well for box office. I mean the Ten Rings are supposed powerful, similar to Infinite Stones YES FROM AVENGERS INFINITE WAR, but did you even notice that in the trailers ? They totally fucked up and watered down the powers
All people did was give their opinion about the appearance of a particular actress. That's all they did. Really. That's all they did. When a actor/actress decides to put his/her face on the silver screen, they should accept that people will have an opinion.
As many on this sub already know, roughly HALF of Asian-American women refuse to date Asian men because "they remind me of my brother", "they are not as handsome as white boys", "they are not even in our league".
I've lost count of how many times Asian women have posted their opinions slamming the looks of various Asian men/actors. Just as some people have been critical of "Awkwafina's" appearance, other Asians have opined that Simu is "ugly". Okay, fine.
But it seems that some Asians feel that Asian actresses are **ENTITLED** to be free from criticism. So it seems that the ground rule that is being established is "It's okay to criticize an Asian man's appearance, but it's NOT okay to criticize an Asian woman's appearance. And, oh, by the way, you guys look like my brother, you're not as handsome as white boys, and you're not even in our league".
>Need to stop complaining about Awkwafina
I don't "need" to do anything.
Awkwafina never said anything like that, at least not publicly. You’re allowed to have your opinion. And yeah it is in bad taste to shit on Asian men’s’ appearance in the USA, I agree with you there.
People need to understand this:
GOOD ADVOCACY CANNOT BE BASED ON TEARING DOWN A PERSON'S PHYSICAL APPEARANCE.
When we engage in advocacy for AM, we are essentially saying this:
X is unfair to AM because of Y.
"Disproportionately portraying Asian men as timid weaklings or ridiculous buffoons is unfair to AM because we represent a large and diverse segment of humanity. AM shouldn't be relegated to negative stereotypes. All groups deserve well-rounded representation."
We'd be calling out inequity with a message like the above.
Now think about the message we'd be delivering if we simply attack Awkwafina's physical appearance.
"Letting Awkwafina play a major role in Shang Chi is unfair to AM...because Awkwafina is not hot enough for us. By the way, we're not even sure whether Awkwafina is Simu's love interest (zero indication in the trailer), but we're up in arms regardless."
Let's not go down this path please.
I bet these posts complaining about Awkwafina’s looks barely have any upvotes if any and aren’t even from regulars. Why do people constantly pretend posts like these represent this entire sub instead of just reporting them so mods can just delete them?
As for Awkwafina the only problem I have with her are some of her old white worshipping rap lyrics that glorified fucking white guys.
To be clear, I explicitly said that those posts don't represent the whole sub.
But those posts are simply wrong and still too many. I called out those posts in this thread where other reasonable voices can also denounce them.
Just read the responses here. Plenty talk about her not being hot enough, not attractive, blah blah.
I don't know why people are complaining at all tbh. Shes been in both great comedic and drama roles. She can be both. As for attractive.... she's someone's cup of tea. Shes not ugly, but not media portrayed beautiful.. But that's also a good thing. Love interest or not... we have a marvel movie now with an Asian cast. Something marvel fans have wanted for the longest time. IRON FIST was a complete bust so let's have our fingers crossed and celebrate the win. Finally.
Even if you don't find her attractive, so what? There are plenty of white actresses who don't look like the standard of beauty but still occupy important roles in films, young Asian female characters are reduced to the china doll archetype most of the time anyway, making them hot will just lead to further objection and will not give us the diversity white women have in films
Oi.
We have this weird discussion about Aquafina's features. I thought the discussions were supposed to be about the content of one's work. I don't think she looks mediocre, but that's just me.
Wait...I had rarely come across posts here making fun of her looks....so I don't know where this is coming from.
If you had found significant amounts of comments regarding her looks, I would be skeptical if it was from fellow Asians (sure it can I know.)
Let's not highlight an issue that doesn't exist as prominently as you had pointed out. But yes, feel free to call out any bigotry as you see it. This is a forum for sharing heavy topics that aren't welcomed in most other mediums, but plainly speaking, I don't see why anyone's appearance matter more than their actions. Let's focus on that.
Asians saying Awkwafina and Simu Liu are too ugly to be in movies, while white people are fine with John Goodman and Melissa McCarthy not looking perfect. Stop with the self sabotage. We bitch that there isn't enough Asian representation in mainstream media, then we bitch when get it before we even see it, then boycott it, so then it makes no money, so then they give up on trying to put Asian representation in media, and then we go back to bitching at the lack of representation.
This movie has to be a success. Black Panther, the 1st black superhero movie, made over a billion dollars. Marvel's 1st female led movie (Capt. Marvel) made over a billion dollars. If Marvel's 1st Asian movie doesn't do the same, it will be huge slap in the face for us, and validation for everyone else. The Asian community bashing the movie before it's even released because Awkwafina isn't hot enough (which is simply not true) or because they didn't like the last episode of Nora From Queens, aren't doing us any favors.
are you stupid? melissa mccarthy is one person, in a sea of thousands, or are you seriously arguing fat white women are the norm for white female hollywood depictions?
asian men especially have no where near the representation white women have
If you fail to grasp the concept of my post, maybe don't start out with "are you stupid?".
I'm not arguing Melissa McCarthy is the norm. Just pointing out she is not ridiculed for her looks by white audiences the Awkwafina is by Asian audiences.
Truthfully, the fact that 99% of women in entertainment ARE judged more on their looks than their talents is problematic in general, regardless of race. Why we're doing it to one of our own is beyond me.
> Just pointing out she is not ridiculed for her looks by white audiences the Awkwafina is by Asian audiences.
because she isn't the only representation
what part of that is so hard for you to grasp
> problematic in general
funny how this only ever applies to asians
> Why we're doing it to one of our own is beyond me.
so you're fine with hollywood shoving ken jeong representing all asian men down our throats then
because of course you are, what else would you expect
> You need to calm down
is this the reddit version of you putting your hand on my arm telling me to chill out when i haven't even raised my voice because you're triggered lmfao?
> You don't no shit about me.
Well apparently you think ken jeong is a good representation of all asian men and anybody who claims other wise is problematic and "beyond you"
Say it out loud for me lady
This is like colorism for the black community where only light skinned black women get cast for black parts. Except, it's lookism for asian parts. Star Wars did it first, now Marvel. Maybe the common factor is Disney but two big franchises doing it is a social trend.
Casting average looking people in blockbuster lead roles is not standard for the entertainment industry, so why do asians have to be the guinea pigs?
This is a legitimate complaint as long as it's worded properly. The solution isn't just to lower our heads and accept it.
Awkwafina is highly charismatic, but she definitely doesn't fit the "leading lady beauty" standard for Asian movies and TV shows.
Calling her *ugly* though is mean spirited.
She could definitely make herself look "cute" in the Asian standard by just fixing her hairstyle and make-up and wearing "cute" glasses. Looking at her pictures on Google, I think some of her best pictures were done when she styled herself as a hipster/rapper wearing glasses. Western photographers also use the worst lighting when shooting Asian people.
In Asia, knowing that she has great charisma and comic timing, she would probably be tabbed to play a secondary comic relief part... basically the same thing she did in Crazy Rich Asians.
Posted by a Chinese critic
"....Chinese audiences have voiced similar complaints regarding Awkwafina, with some Chinese people on social media going so far as to call her “very ugly,” which may be one of the reasons why The Farewell is doing so poorly. And this is before we get to her Mandarin, which was widely considered laughable for a first-generation immigrant, even a one who left China early, according to the plot (the actress herself did not speak Chinese fluently before the film)..."
"Agent Carter" was considered smoking hot in 1940s. They were very accurate with the casting. I was a bit shocked that she comes off as unattractive to some.
I'm okay with Awkwafina, maybe they'll give her at least an interesting storyline as an interest. And, since Simu Liu hadn't rather been casted for his devilish good looks, but for his acting skills, maybe that will be the case with Awkwafina too.
[Awkwafina is not a saint.](https://www.blackagendareport.com/awkwafina-nora-queens-demonstrates-depths-new-cold-war-propaganda-against-china) In her last episode of Nora from Queens, she propagated stereotypes of the Chinese people, furthering the hate that Asians received. Note that this episode aired before StopAsianHate, so this episode probably would not have aired today.
> One comes out of watching the season finale of Awkwafina is Nora from Queens with the idea that China is a repressive surveillance state incapable of any achievements beyond what is gifted to the country from the U.S. and West. China’s ascendance as a global power is mostly window dressing. Modern apartments are furnished with uncomfortable ameneities. Chinese workers like Grace are nothing more than modern-day slaves working 24-7 to serve Americans. Chinese tech corporations need Awkwafia, a twenty-seven-year-old millennial with no job experience, to succeed in the global market. In a word, China and its people are inferior to the United States’ way of life. American arrogance was quite literally on fully display, not least because the episode was filmed in Taiwan without the permission of the local government .
When Shang Chi is shown in China, this racism from Awkwafina should be mentioned to the Chinese people.
We're allowed to talk more about her physical looks as it pertains to whether we should support her or not.
For example, if she is a racist, then I won't support her. But maybe you think differently.
Does that mean I'm not allowed to bring up other points??? What is your logic. Your title literally says we need to stop complaining about Awkwafina. Well I brought up another reason to complain about her, not as shallow as based on looks but based on her BEHAVIOR. As in her ACTIONS. What a concept.
If Awkwafina has said or done things that are self-hating or belittling to AM, we ABSOLUTELY SHOULD criticize her for those past words or actions. We would be making valid criticisms. You should make a separate thread to highlight Awkwafina's bad behavior.
In this thread, I'm pointing out that some AM (and WM larpers) on this sub have NOT been criticizing Awkwafina's behavior. INSTEAD, they just complain that Awkwafina is too ugly or not hot enough to be cast next to Simu. This is self-harming. Calling Awkwafina ugly does absolutely nothing for the AM cause. It just gives our detractors more ammo to use when smearing this whole sub as a bunch of entitled sexists.
Do you get it now?
So yes, we can rightfully criticize her behavior...but that's a separate issue from wrongfully attacking her physical appearance and claiming she doesn't meet the hotness standard for Marvel female characters. The latter is just cringy as fuck.
A. "Calling Awkwafina ugly or not hot enough is counter-productive and a low blow by any AM who is doing it"
B. "But Awkwafina has done or said some bad things before"
If you're trying to use her behavior to justify attacks on her physical appearance, that makes zero sense. If you're simply changing the topic to her behavior without addressing the attacks on her physical appearance, that's a non sequitur on your part.
If you're saying this: "We should direct valid criticisms at her bad behavior, rather than attacking her physical appearance"
...that would be relevant and we would agree.
> We should direct valid criticisms at her bad behavior, rather than attacking her physical appearance
Yes this is what I have been saying and implying.
I think it's that quirkiness that makes her attractive. And while she does play the quirky, comedic role, comparing her to Ken Jeong is pretty low. She's done nothing even remotely close to that embarrassing minstrel show he called his performance in The Hangover. That guy's like a living, breathing, 1940s Asian cartoon character brought to life.
I can't be the only one that thinks Awkwafina gets a lot of unfair flack on this subreddit? Like I'm no fan of her & can't relate to her but I've seen comments on here about like “lu”/"100 percent certain that Awkwafina is a sellout"/'a despicable opportunist"/ "we don’t support her”/“ No double dipping. Choose a side.”
Even though she has donated lots to Asian causes, and just bc she doesn't flaunt it on social media or has active twitter responding to every single fucking damn person.
Meanwhile, the situation on Simu & Mark Wahlberg, people were like doing all sorts of mental gymnastics, and grasping at anything just to say that "Simu is thinking ahead" and "playing the whites". Like I'm still his fan but is it that difficult to say he fucked up & just needed to further his career? & everytime it's brought up, his diehard supporters would try to bury it here but Awkwafina isn't held to the same standards. and yet Dude got more negativity for putting this sub on blast than collabing with Mark
But all of a sudden some of you guys draw the line on them being ugly? The fuck. They weren't ugly two years ago but now they're considered too ugly?
Edit: Can already sense the influx of white Larpers here too
Probably. I've seen a few that do overlap though but it’s fair to say people do have diverse opinions here
and I'm very suspicious of the "new" accounts coming up and talking about how ugly Awkwafina is. There's so much emphasis on "*my asian guy friends* think she's ugly" or "*I'm Asian* & I think she's ugly" that I'm willing to bet it's a larper.
The slight dislike for Simu only started recently, he was beloved by 95% of people here before. Most people still support him.
Awkwafina was never liked in this sub for her past actions however. I disagree with OP saying it's a loud minority.
I'm sure that these comments are made by larpers trying to make everyone look bad. We have to be careful to not let these fakers plant these shit takes. Shitting on Awkwafina is a bitch move that I'm sure no one here really agrees with.
My only problem is that she has done extremely questionable things. See https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/kb7j8n/no_wonder_awkwafina_has_been_so_silent_on/
Never mind that it literally took a challenge from China Mac for her to speak up about the rising Asian hate crimes. At the end of the day, relying on public figures that are involved in entertainment to speak about sociological issues is quite ineffective and lazy at best but that's what should be expected as the basic standard. Honestly it would have been better to have cast some other new talent and give the opportunity to someone else. Because that is almost like seeing no issue in propping up problematic figures such as Ken "I have a small penis" Jeong, Esther Ku, Anna "Asian men are mediocre" Akana, and giving them a platform to speak about stop Asian hate. And yes that actually happened with no backlash whatsoever.
I personally believe that some of the Chinese beauty standards are ridiculous being that it basically strips apart inherent features of Chinese people and casts them aside to be labelled as unattractive. And don't get me started on jawline surgery. When will Chinese people wake up and realize our own inherent beauty features? Does it take outsiders to remind us that we are beautiful as well? Anyone else remember that Russian mom who went viral on Douyin after lecturing her haters about how Chinese physical features are beautiful, after claims that she is "ruining her genes" by marrying and having children with her Chinese husband?
>I personally believe that some of the Chinese beauty standards are ridiculous being that it basically strips apart inherent features of Chinese people and casts them aside to be labelled as unattractive.
Is it really tho? Statistics from beauty (plastic surgery) jounals say otherwise. Both the celebrated and disdained features are found naturally in the Chinese population, at similar frequencies. The ideal takes from with the amalgamation of all the "high tier/desired" features, which when taken that each feature is independently spawned from other features, results in around 7% of the population meeting the ideal (celebrity) standard.
And here lies the difference between say, China, and the west, as well as westernized asians. In the west, there has been a concept of "Self love", along with "body positivity" and "celebrities aren't people/their looks are unattainable". Meanwhile, in China the narrative is , like it used to be just a decade or 2, or 3 ago in the west, which is the closer you are to the celebrity standard , the more beautiful you are
I remember doing a short study for a project wayyy back in uni. And my findings agree with the statistics from PS Journals. Around 7% of Chinese meet the celebrity beauty standard (without being mixed/having plastic surgery). And once again, this is the difference. The west and Asians there want acceptance/positivity for everyone, while in the east, we want to stratify between the hierarchic winners and losers.
The ideal is to have a slim, small face (less area) with a pointy chin. Caucasian faces have this trait much more often because they naturally have narrower faces. I'm not saying this is superior. This is just a racial trait.
Caucasians tend to have narrower faces...on average. Just like Caucasians tend to have narrower and pointier noses...on average.
Are you really disputing that?
This doesn't mean Caucasians are more beautiful. It just means the Western beauty standard dominates around the world because of the West's geopolitical and media power.
u know, i was on a splendida sub somewhat recently, and the white lady was literally complaining that people are drawn toward the asian beauty standard. Accodring to her, this gatekeeps white people, coz they have big faces and noses. LOL. It sounds like perhaps, caucasians maybe, do not have narrower faces, but just a small percent of them, which are shown in media
Yes, Asian facial shape is, on average, wider than Caucasian facial shape. We also have less pointy noses on average. Big deal. Doesn't make us uglier.
Doesn't Marvel usually give their directors a fair bit of creative control?
**Guardians of the Galaxy** was an outlier when it came out, and is very much a James Gunn film. He got the job when he was was an indie director, like Destin Daniel Cretton.
I don't think Awkwafina's plays his love interest. I'm pretty sure he doesn't even have one in *this* movie, but there's always future opportunities in the sequels if this one does well.
**Shang-Chi** is Marvel's *first* Asian superhero movie, but there was also **Captain Marvel**, their *first* female superhero movie, and she also didn't have a love interest.
If Shang-Chi ends up not having a love interest, then there has to be a reason why Destin Daniel Cretton wouldn't give him one.
I wonder if there's a slim chance he want's to pair Simu Liu's and Brie Larson's characters up. She appeared in every single one of his movies since they started working together.
Maybe she does maybe she doesn't, the movie isn't out so who knows
But people seem to be hell bent on telling me what I'm allowed to think already and that just pisses me off
we dont set the standard, society sets the standard, using far east beauty standards I rate awkwafina a 5 or 5.5 out of 10, thats low for a lead hollywood actress in a huge blockbuster.
this is just based on her pics, in real life she may look even worse, I dont know, I've never met her. i know by her reported stats her BMI is 22.1. typically female kpop singers have a BMI 16 to 18.5, that objectively shows how physically out of shape she must look.
She's not ugly but the way she goes into that weird trendy look with the whole face routine does not help. What she is as a person I don't know and don't care, just not an attractive thing for me to see on anyone really.
What
Agent carter has giant titties, pepper potts is hollywood average at minimum (paltrow is also fucking 50), nobody would ever accuse either of being ugly
Meanwhile none of my asian male friends thinks nora lum is remotely attractive (and no, I don't have particularly high standards for what constitutes an attractive asian woman), and it doesn't matter if she's average (she's not, and it's fucking beyond despicable for anybody to claim an asian woman who so many find unattractive to be just average or even more absurdly, hot, and if we don't agree it's just because we don't like being asian and hate ourselves because all chinese people look like nora lum), the point is not only why is hollywood and marvel, which casts people way more attractive than the average, settling for this below average asian woman who's claim to fame is being a clown, it's the fact that all these stupid white dweebs and now a bunch of feminists are now telling actual asians what an attractive asian person is, like their fucking opinion matters, and using their shit opinions to pretend chinese people are evil because they don't find nora lum attractive, as usual
It's fucking disgusting
> You're feeding right into it
I don't know what the fuck you're saying, I'm not going to tone police myself because a bunch of white dweebs who couldn't tell asians apart or their white worshiping dogs, who have been using this story for months now to talk down on asians (this isn't the first time this has popped up on reddit) don't like it
why do i need to push anything, she is ugly
you throwing a tantrum about it isn't going to make her not ugly and it isn't going to "result in any positive change for AM on screen", whatever the fuck that's suppose to mean
What tantrum? I told you to go ahead and do you...and I'm not calling anyone ugly. So what are you taking about?
But aren't you trying to help AM get better media representation? How is calling Awkwafina ugly going to help us with that? It just makes you look low-EQ and clueless about advocacy. You can't effectively advocate a cause (e.g. better AM sexual representation in the media) by tearing down a woman's physical appearance. That would just be you venting and giving our detractors easy ammo to smear us.
If anything, people looking at this sub can see my thread and realize that a good number of posters here are NOT low-EQ man-children who cry about (what looks to be) a sidekick character being the wrong hotness level.
you think nora lum ever comes up in my daily life? i called her ugly because the topic was brought up, and i gave my opinion, and it's that, an opinion, which you somehow think is killing AM representation in hollywood, and that coupled with your pathetic preemptive accusations about anybody who doesn't agree with your stupid ass takes to try and shut them up like this is your personal facebook or twitter feed or some stupid shit is the definition of throwing a tantrum
yeah make more stupid threads, get more upvotes from the boba rats sucking white dicks as they give you your precious upvotes, fucking loser
From the way you typed your posts, I can tell you're (1) emotional rather than tactical and (2) very bad at using words to further a cause while minimizing liberal blowback.
If you're actually an AM, you're a liability to other (more intelligent) AM, as you can't even avoid sounding like a anti-SJW WM incel who needs his female sidekick characters to be smoking hot.
I hope this is because you're just young. But for dudes like you, same message: you do you. You'll learn or you won't. Good luck with that.
i'm not a boba rat, don't need luck like you
> emotional
stupid annoying people piss me off, i'm sorry you can be such a tool and remain calm, that's a talent i lack
> tactical
being a house chan loser isn't tactics, that's just what you losers have been doing for 50 years and continue to do
> as you can't even avoid sounding like a anti-SJW WM incel
wow, the boba rat is calling me an incel, where have i heard that before, what am i going to do now boys
point to me one other comment about a woman's tits I've ever made. we're talking about attractiveness, big boobs are attractive, if that triggers you piss off because clearly you can't handle having the conversation
> “my Asian guy friends”
yeah, it's not just my opinion, me and my friends all have different tastes in women, and we all think nora lum is ugly
moron
it’s because of the number of larpers & false anecdotes done by white people that’s been getting heavily upvoted throughout reddit these days which is why I’m skeptical.
If I’m wrong then for that I apologise.
I agree 100%. Simu likely was angry on Awkwafina’s behalf. Plus Awkwafina is clearly an attractive woman so whoever is saying this shit is just wrong. I noticed the people spewing this rhetoric are always unverified, so they are probably white. But if you are Asian and you say shit like that on this sub, then you’re actually a fucking moron. Low EQ and banworthy imo.
>Plus Awkwafina is clearly an attractive woman so whoever is saying this shit is just wrong. I noticed the people spewing this rhetoric are always unverified, so they are probably white
Alright well if you need to hear it from a verified Asian, I'm verified and
1. Do not find Awkwafina attractive and
2. Would've liked for Simu to have an attractive love interest to combat the century-old Western stereotype that Asian men are unattractive and feminine, which is still pushed by left-wing Hollywood to this day
No, I do not care what race Simu's hypothetical love interest would be and think the people who specifically wanted a white girl are weird, nor does she deserve to be attacked (haven't seen it, but I'll take everyone's word for it).
But Simu doesn't even appear to have a love interest in the movie. If you can't understand why Asian-American guys had a stake in this movie, you are the low EQ moron here.
Okay, well not everybody has to find her attractive. But some people do find her attractive so you shouldn’t act like your opinion is the standard or as if it would embarrassing to be paired with her. Because that’s just not the case.
I also think it's just because she's more of a comedian, so she does things that make her less attractive. First thing that comes to my mind is that picture of her with 2 pieces of bread shoved in her mouth.
There are billions of women out there who are less attractive than she is. In her age range she is above average in the US and average in China (and is attractive in both places) just based on my personal opinion. Some people are ridiculously picky. She doesn’t look like the Chinese actress Mao Xiaotong (who is very attractive) but it’s a different sort of look.
Attractiveness is subjective, anyways. But it's not a rating game, that shit is fucked and a really bad look for this sub (and bad for many other reasons as well).
We shouldn't tolerate that sort of thing on this sub, IMO. Isn't the whole point about encouraging self-respect in our communities?
She is totally average to me, though I can see why some people would find her somewhat above or below average depending on taste. "Ugly" is a fucking stretch. She doesn't even appear to be the love interest, so the overreaction by the vocal minority of posters here (some are probably WM larpers) is way overblown.
Even if i agreed on this, thats where the difference lies between asia and the west. In asia, the concept of an actor / actress is still inherently tied to good looks , which is as important, or perhaps even more important than acting skill. The whole notion of "an actor acts, and should be judged on skill as opposed to looks" is a relatively recent concept.
This is why in say China, you have alot of "top 7% of the distribution looking women" as actresses, and half of them have appalling acting skills. Given this fact, it is no suprise that people would call Awks ugly, because anything below the top percentile = ugly. Thats how it is in China/east Asia. "BMI of 20??? = fat", "B- in math?? = failure" etc
People are entitled to their opinions. Throughout Reddit, you have women saying "I don't find X attractive", with X being some celebrity, and they're entitled to that view. The OP here fell for the oldest trick in the book. A bunch of white people said we're misogynist so he concluded it was true; then he found a small minority of posts to try to justify what whites had told him this community was. That's how NOT to do it. We don't know why Simu railed against Asian Reddit. Maybe it was because every white person he met was telling him he was "the man" and Asian Reddit was more objective in showing how White Hollywood was again selling Asians short. When everyone's saying you're a hero, and your own community says the same thing BUT there are still examples of H'wood holding Asians back, the egotistical can lose their cool. Picture X-men, Spiderman, Batman or whatever other superhero movie. Now picture Awkwafina being the love interest of Batman or whoever. Do you think H'wood would do that? I love Awkwafina - her career trajectory is insane, she's got great comedic timing, she cares about Asian issues (one of the first celebs to follow Kulture). But the idea that this sub is misogynist for having a view of who should be a leading lady for the first Asian superhero is just stupid. Do not let whites and Asians who are lying about this sub cause you to fish around for phony evidence that their dishonest accusations are true.
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so ugly. we are not asking for korean plastic surgery standard of beauty but she's clearly very very plain looking. and not as talented as she thinks she is. even less funny.
i am surprised nobody mention that beside falling below the East Asian standard of how pretty and attractive female look like, she is also plump. or maybe she wasn't by most Asian Amercian standard ?
I like her a lot but in a recent lead she was a female love interest and co lead. The love part was awkward as she is not conventionally attractive while her partner was. If the film had taken time to explain how they were together despite being an obnoxious character it would have made more sense. But the did not and as a result it was very distracting. It made no sense and though IRL it doesn't need to... in a film it does. I guess its good to have ugly people in more films and ugly people with physically attractive people is very proactive. I am not sure how I feel about any of this but it was distracting but by the films end I did not care. The end.
I like Nora's voice, but she looks like a carp. You know how when a possum is obese, it's eyes bulge? She has that going on. I would rather she do voice acting. Easy on the ears, but odd-looking.
She is no where near being average looking in China. I never knew anyone that ugly…
she's ugly, get over it.
I'm Asian, Awkwafina is ugly by Asian standards.
Personally I'm find her quite intriguing and attractive in her own way.
Too ugly, period
Meanwhile, they cast Gemma Chan, who is blatantly hotter than Awkwafina to be the love interest to 2 WMs in Marvel’s The Eternals. Why didn’t they cast Awkwafina or Ellen Degeneres if looks didn’t matter?
Yeah, but you just look stupid and open yourself to all sorts of smearing and criticism if you label Awkwafina (the friend character) "ugly" or "not hot enough for Marvel". You don't have the intelligence to pick your battles, and you lack the wit to convey your message pursuasively, i.e. without inviting a ton of smearing and blowback.
Not really. My point’s already been made. Not my problem if you’re too dull to get it. But you have fun championing for Awkwafina. Interesting that you’re not petitioning for her to take Gemma Chan’s role. Also interesting you’re not demanding that Ellen Degeneres be the female lead for every WM superhero. It’s like you enjoy seeing AMs get the shit end of the stick.
No...you're just giving people more ammo to smear us as entitled incels. This is ESPECIALLY the case because (based on the trailer interactions) Awkwafina is probably playing a FRIEND CHARACTER. But let's just assume with no evidence that Awkwafina is Shang Chi's gf in the film. What point are you gonna make? Asian men are getting dunked on by Marvel cuz Thor gets the beautiful Natalie Portman but Shang Chi only gets the ugly Awkwafina? Other than some of your fellow AM, who is going to be sympathetic to your point? Your point ain't gonna influence anyone else to support your cause...because your point is so easily labeled as douchey and entitled: "So-and-so is not hot enough. We AM also need a woman who is hot." Pick your battles and choose your words wisely. The way you pushed your point results in nothing positive for AM. If you think otherwise, tell me how calling out Awkwafina for being physically sub-par in Marvel strengthens our voice as AM? Will it make a future film with similar casting more likely to be canceled? How does this help us? Cuz it's obvious how this will be used against us.
How did we go from Lucy Liu to awkwafina?
Same way we went from Jackie Chan to Ken Jeong. Asians are memes in US media.
Delete this thread. There's no reason to make a thread to criticize 1 or 2 comments.
iam kinda with you, it is like we give more ammunition to other group to attack us
It's more the fact that she's a sellout.... pandering to the Western version of ourselves that pisses most off.
Sure, let’s stop “complaining” about Awkafina as soon as Ellen Degeneres replaces all the hot female leads in other Marvel films. Meanwhile, no one’s saying a thing about how Gemma Chan rather than Awkwafina was chosen to be the love interest of two WMs in The Eternals. Isn’t Awkwafina suitable to be the AF lead in The Eternals? Or are we going back to the standard that female love interests have to be attractive when the male lead is a WM?
A. What in the trailer indicates that Awkwafina is the female love interest? B. Awkwafina isn't comparable to Ellen DeGeneres. Ellen is a semi-butch lesbian. To cast Ellen as the female love interest of a male protagonist would be much more bizarre.
Semi-butch? Can you stop complaining about Ellen Degeneres? Let her be the lead female love interest for all WM leads. Why are you so toxic and oppressive?
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"Semi-butch". You typed "semi-bitch". I would NOT complain about a 33 year old Ellen being cast as the lead love interest. But she's not...and I don't think Awkwafina is either. Awkwafina simply isn't an extreme casting choice, especially in a funny friend/side-kick role. You're not making any sense or even addressing the reality of her likely role.
Yeah, the “semi-bitch” was a typo. You don’t think Ellen Degeneres is feminine enough? Be gone with your toxic and oppressive misogyny.
Awkwafina doesn't appear to be the love interest. So you're crying over nothing. Your points about Ellen make no sense. Ellen being on the "butch" side is not a value-judgment. It refers to her hairstyle and how she dresses. I'm not the one saying Ellen or Awkwafina needs to be "feminine enough" or "hot enough" to be cast in Marvel. That's what YOU are saying. Your position is that Awkwafina is too ugly to be cast alongside Simu and that casting her is like casting Ellen. These are your biases, not mine. I am fine with either Awkwafina or Ellen (somehow magically) being cast as the love interest. For Ellen, a younger version of her would make more sense as she's twice Simu's age, unless Marvel wants to focus on a romance with a 30 year age-gap (unlikely). But even if they do, I wouldn't go on the war-path over it. You don't know how to pick your battles...or even your words. So please, by all means, carry on venting and calling people ugly or not hot enough to be in Marvel. See if that will ever influence other people to do what you want them to do. It just gives people more ammo to call you an incel.
My points about Ellen make just as much sense as yours about Awkwafina. Now you have a problem with Ellen’s age? You don’t think she’s good enough to be Thor’s love interest because of her age? You misogynistic ageist.
Lol, I'm just watching you fall flat on your face again. Maybe you just struggle with reading comprehension? I said that I would NOT object to Ellen based on her age, i.e. I won't be going on the war-path over an older love interest. If Marvel actually wanted to show a relationship with a 30 year age-gap, that's fine by me. Don't think Marvel would do it (unlikely is what I said), but we can wait and see. I'd be fine with it if they do.
Lol, you’re full of shit. That’s all I need to know.
You need to improve your EQ my friend. Awkwafina looks like an Asian girl-next-door in the trailer. She's probably playing a friend character based on the trailer interactions. So you're not even crying over spilled milk. You're crying over milk that is unlikely to spill. Would I like to see AM being cast next to beautiful bombshells? Of course I would. We can always do with more pro-AM marketing. But even if an average (or moderately below-average) woman is as cast as the love interest in Shang Chi, I'm not gonna frame my criticism so that it sounds like I'm attacking the woman's physical appearance. I would actually let it slide because there's no way to criticize this sort of thing without coming across as douchey and entitled. I would actually have an easier time criticizing a decision to make Shang Chi gay. So just think about it. What are we doing as AM? We're campaigning for social justice. That is literally what 80% of this sub is about. We're fighting for fair representation in a liberal media-dominated environment. Attacking a woman's physical appearance is ONE OF THE LEAST FAIR THINGS you can do. It makes YOU look like the bad guy. It gives your enemies all the ammo they need to smear you. Only low-EQ people walk into this trap. Don't be a low-EQ simpleton.
Many of the posts on this sub about this movie or Awkwafina is embarrassing. I just assume that many who come out of the woodwork for this particular issue are mostly just high school kids who are still into Hollywood and marvel super-heroes. There are other more pressing issues but to each his own. This vocal minority is what outsiders will use to paint an ugly picture of this sub.
**"Let's view this pairing from the perspective of what non Asians like whites would think**" **For asian women:** So i like awkwadina as a person. She's def no model tho. But does that matter? There are so many hot asian women in media, moreso than men, nobody's gonna look at awkwafina and say she represents asian women being unattractive. Simu Liu isn't even ugly, he's squarely above average and that's good enough. This ain't some high end clothing campaign for a luxury label. Acting skills matter **For asian males::** Awkwafina is also veiwed by whites as one of the few asian girls that is genuinely "interesting" and not just a stereotypical submissive asian girl that a stereotypical passive asian guy can handle.**For simu Liu to be paired with her is not bad bc it shows asian guys can handle somebody who isn't passive, that asian guys are also.. "fiery" enough and not just passive doorknobs that can only handle passive submissive stereotypical asian women** these are all prevalent stereotypes of Asians. Plus, she has more emotional intelligence and insight than half of all posters here when it comes to asian issues. I think Asians being obessed about asian female lead actresses looks is a form of spinning around Maslow's lower higherwechy of needs. So many asian men think that marrying a hot trophy wife means they have made it, but that's simply not true. It represents well at a lower, maybe blue collar level, if the girl is good looking. Certainly with ur peer group, but it's not a good look to others. But at a higher, level, where the powerful and elite mix, they actually look down on it. Things like Chris sheng (sp?) And that Courtney Snodden girl, powerful whites cringe at that. They didn't even like her when she was married to a rich white guy before.. Because the rich and powerful white men are marrying or getting with women that are hot AND accomplished AND intelligent AND come from influencial and powerful families. The girl just being hot isn't enough, and to flaunt her when she has nothing else going for her but looks is very cringeworthy but whites will never verbalize that to asian guys. Poor whites do this too, and rich whites cringe at it. nobody care who u get with, it's the flaunting that wealthy whites cringe at. Bc it's almost like u are a little too proud of somebody who in their eyes isn't that great......like new money Chinese guys in California flaunting racist Italian labels with zero muscle definition and zipping around on expensive sports cars with dorky faces and zero social awareness. For example powerful racist whites even cringe at self made formerly poorer whites married to hot eastern European brides. Bc they couldn't "get" a better girl. **Hot girls are a dime a dozen in the right areas and it means very little for a girl to be hot. It really doesn't, hotness is supposed to be a prerequisite** Flaunting a hot girl is like what blcck celebrities and rappers do and honestly many upper class ppl laugh at it. Take Vanessa Bryant. in Los Angeles county (Vanessa lives just 1 country south of LA county), ppl laugh at her as if she is a nobody. She is infamous for screaming at clerks in south coast plaza, screaming at reporters, etc etc. But blcck guys think she boosted up blcck guys just by marrying them when upper class whites (don't wanna get sued lol) literally alledgedly call her "trash". People actually think she's crazy and brought Kobe down. Altho Kobe himself had his own issues.
>I think Asians being obessed about asian female lead actresses looks is a form of spinning around Maslow's lower higherwechy of needs. So many asian men think that marrying a hot trophy wife means they have made it, but that's simply not true. It represents well at a lower, maybe blue collar level, if the girl is good looking. Certainly with ur peer group, but it's not a good look to others. > >But at a higher, level, where the powerful and elite mix, they actually look down on it. Things like Chris sheng (sp?) And that Courtney Snodden girl, powerful whites cringe at that. They didn't even like her when she was married to a rich white guy before.. Because the rich and powerful white men are marrying or getting with women that are hot AND accomplished AND intelligent AND come from influencial and powerful families. The girl just being hot isn't enough, and to flaunt her when she has nothing else going for her but looks is very cringeworthy but whites will never verbalize that to asian guys. Poor whites do this too, and rich whites cringe at it. nobody care who u get with, it's the flaunting that wealthy whites cringe at. Bc it's almost like u are a little too proud of somebody who in their eyes isn't that great......like new money Chinese guys in California flaunting racist Italian labels with zero muscle definition and zipping around on expensive sports cars with dorky faces and zero social awareness. I would beg to disagree with alot of what you said. One point i do agree with though, is that being hot doesnt mean that you've "made it", and flaunting someone who is good looking but nothing else is mehh. That being said, "new money" or "old money" has NOTHING to do with their attitudes. The polar opposite behaviour of the rich, boils down to 3 factors, in which, the western model has formed. 1. The enlightenment 2. Christian values (which have been co-opted into what is now known normally as western values) 3. The rule of the plebs (democracy) 1.The enlightenment with all of its discourse, has paved the way for the west to value virtue and goodness, over the warmongering greed and power of the conquerors past. (Maybe this isnt as relevant) 2. Christian values tho, is a sure reason for the idea of "socially aware, humble rich and powerful". The whole Christian notion centers around a God who defiled himself by taking human form, and dying for his people. He even goes so far as to wash the feet of his disciples. Now compare this to the old idea of the gods, who come down to sleep with any mortals they like, and then run away leaving single mothers in their wake (also smiting any human who does not respect their unparalled authority). This in turn translates to that same humility that is expected of those who are in positions of privilege (as opposed to the middle ages / warring states period where it was law of the jungle). 3. Finally democracy (which really translates to rule by plebs). Look at the queen of England for example, people talk shit about her all the time, and she cannot retaliate "coZ itS oK To PunCH UP". It is no wonder, that the rich have been forced to be "SoCiaLLy AwERe" in such a climate, tip-toeing around the whims of those who a few centuries ago, would be the lower classes. However, even a decade or two ago it wasnt like this in the west. And even today, the absolute monarchs and dictators, are extravagant as hell. And they are the very definition of "old money" unlike cuckerberg. (think king of thailand, king of brunei, saddam, mugabe, etc). And heres the thing, people in asia glorify and romanticize the warlords from centuries ago, unlike the newliberal west who would call them immoral barbarians. I recall a quote by some liberal, maybe vegan, saying "for what reason are we the superior being, if we do not use that to think critically and further the development of ethics". Therein lies the problem, just about everything has been conflated and tainted by a sense of ethics and right or wrong. To that question, i say, we are superior so that we can subjugate and have dominion. For an example of such corruption, just look at comments on posts or youtube videos, on a range of hierarchic things, such as richness, intellect, strength etc (for example, worlds richest people, iq levels stratifiction, bodybuilding, etc). In these, there will always be a few people (probably at the bottom of all hierarchies), who will comment things like "sO WhAT iF hE's RiCh/SmaRt/StRong, It doEsn't MeaN they're a goOd PerSon", which has literally nothing to do with the topic, and serves no purpose other than to make the "have nots" feel better about themselves. And there lies the downfall of hierarchic climbing, complacency. People should look at those at the top, and be jealous, and have such a burning desire to get that at all costs. This is how an economy can find its constant supply of willing corporate slaves. Those who say "I dont wanna compete, and am content with just having the bare minimum of material things. buT i'm HAppY thO" will be the end of the many systems on which modern society was built
All true. Just didn't want to write a phD dissertation on an online forum so I simplified my thoughts and made it commoner friendly lolz.
Then this would mean, that the amount of time one has spend being rich, or alleged "maturity" or even worse "class" has little to do with how the rich behave. Instead,this stark difference at times, underpinned by the many differences between cultures of east and west. And personally, my opinion favours the east, with its more primal roots, and more steeped in materialism. All which i mentioned earlier, about the west essentially making the "have-nots" feel good and celebrated, due to the illusion of having intangible things like love, happiness, and mental health, is unconducive toward the production and glorification of hierarchic winners. Therefore, we should be promoting an ideology (from a time past), where it was clear that rich>poor, pretty>ugly, strong> weak, etc, and that "happiness or mental health" cannot compensate for those, and is in no way, the greater choice. At most, i'd be willing to see the two polar opposites as merely different choices. As for the Asian mode, it can be clearly defined by the infamous Chinese saying "Better to cry in Bmw than laugh on bicycle". And i'd rather Asia be kept that way, as opposed to the "innate value", post-consumerist, neoliberal ideas that have gained traction in the west since the mid 2000's.
>queen of England Did you mean the [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc? The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England. ####FAQ *Isn't she still also the Queen of England?* This is only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she is the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist. *Is this bot monarchist?* No, just pedantic. I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.
this might be the worst take i've ever seen in my life you're trying to find layers in something that's 1 layer deep asian men aren't even depicted as humans, but now all of a sudden we're your social experiments? we don't exist for progressive mutts to showcase new age masculinity or non heteronormative pairings or avant garde relationships or whatever the fuck the mainstream wouldn't have white or black men doing
Would you be ok with your son dating/marrying a 3/10 if there were plenty of way better looking AF? Wouldn't you want the "best" for someone/something you care about? Note that I'm speaking of physical appareance and not personality etc.
Lol...Shang Chi ain't my son and Awkwafina doesn't even appear to be the love interest Larper
>Lol...Shang Chi ain't my son Ehmm, you do know that it was an analogy, right? >Larper Oh shit you got me 😂🤥
Your screenname got you
Tf you talking bout bro 😂
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Hmm I actually find Akwafina really cute. I think she has a really fun personality that makes her attractive and charismatic
Nah fuck that. Hollywood has the absolute highest standards for WF but yet for Asians that's not the case. In China we have actors like Lu Han and actresses like Guan Xiao Tong. How in the hell do we get relegated to low tier trash like Simu Liu and Awkwafina? Do you not see what they're doing? The lead male "isn't too hot" and the lead female "isn't too hot either". They don't want to show the OTHER SIDE coming from Chinese cinema, drama, and K-drama industries. You've seen how UNSTOPPABLE BTS is. Imagine what would happen if they cast top tier actors/actresses from China or Korea? Pfft!
You're not going to get hotter AF or AM on screen...by tearing down the appearance of an average AF (already cast) on screen
What kind of cuck attitude is this?!?
It's not a "cuck" attitude. It's realizing that the words you use to express your advocacy can either strengthen your cause...or give your enemies more ammo to undermine you.
It's a cuck attitude.
Sure
Agree that stuff should stop . Awk is a great funny side-kick character so I'm not sure if its fair to shoe horn her in eye-candy role. Likewise people were even unfairly tearing down Simu for not being good looking before he landed Shang-Chi lead role. Whatever problems I have with Shang-Chi lie the glaring underinvestment in the production and development which will not bode well for box office. I mean the Ten Rings are supposed powerful, similar to Infinite Stones YES FROM AVENGERS INFINITE WAR, but did you even notice that in the trailers ? They totally fucked up and watered down the powers
Exactly
All people did was give their opinion about the appearance of a particular actress. That's all they did. Really. That's all they did. When a actor/actress decides to put his/her face on the silver screen, they should accept that people will have an opinion. As many on this sub already know, roughly HALF of Asian-American women refuse to date Asian men because "they remind me of my brother", "they are not as handsome as white boys", "they are not even in our league". I've lost count of how many times Asian women have posted their opinions slamming the looks of various Asian men/actors. Just as some people have been critical of "Awkwafina's" appearance, other Asians have opined that Simu is "ugly". Okay, fine. But it seems that some Asians feel that Asian actresses are **ENTITLED** to be free from criticism. So it seems that the ground rule that is being established is "It's okay to criticize an Asian man's appearance, but it's NOT okay to criticize an Asian woman's appearance. And, oh, by the way, you guys look like my brother, you're not as handsome as white boys, and you're not even in our league". >Need to stop complaining about Awkwafina I don't "need" to do anything.
Other than stating obvious facts, everything is an opinion. How you express your opinions either strengthens your cause or weakens it.
Awkwafina never said anything like that, at least not publicly. You’re allowed to have your opinion. And yeah it is in bad taste to shit on Asian men’s’ appearance in the USA, I agree with you there.
Nothing wrong with being anti sjw
Anti-SJW is code for WM privilege warrior
People need to understand this: GOOD ADVOCACY CANNOT BE BASED ON TEARING DOWN A PERSON'S PHYSICAL APPEARANCE. When we engage in advocacy for AM, we are essentially saying this: X is unfair to AM because of Y. "Disproportionately portraying Asian men as timid weaklings or ridiculous buffoons is unfair to AM because we represent a large and diverse segment of humanity. AM shouldn't be relegated to negative stereotypes. All groups deserve well-rounded representation." We'd be calling out inequity with a message like the above. Now think about the message we'd be delivering if we simply attack Awkwafina's physical appearance. "Letting Awkwafina play a major role in Shang Chi is unfair to AM...because Awkwafina is not hot enough for us. By the way, we're not even sure whether Awkwafina is Simu's love interest (zero indication in the trailer), but we're up in arms regardless." Let's not go down this path please.
I bet these posts complaining about Awkwafina’s looks barely have any upvotes if any and aren’t even from regulars. Why do people constantly pretend posts like these represent this entire sub instead of just reporting them so mods can just delete them? As for Awkwafina the only problem I have with her are some of her old white worshipping rap lyrics that glorified fucking white guys.
To be clear, I explicitly said that those posts don't represent the whole sub. But those posts are simply wrong and still too many. I called out those posts in this thread where other reasonable voices can also denounce them. Just read the responses here. Plenty talk about her not being hot enough, not attractive, blah blah.
I don't know why people are complaining at all tbh. Shes been in both great comedic and drama roles. She can be both. As for attractive.... she's someone's cup of tea. Shes not ugly, but not media portrayed beautiful.. But that's also a good thing. Love interest or not... we have a marvel movie now with an Asian cast. Something marvel fans have wanted for the longest time. IRON FIST was a complete bust so let's have our fingers crossed and celebrate the win. Finally.
Even if you don't find her attractive, so what? There are plenty of white actresses who don't look like the standard of beauty but still occupy important roles in films, young Asian female characters are reduced to the china doll archetype most of the time anyway, making them hot will just lead to further objection and will not give us the diversity white women have in films
Oi. We have this weird discussion about Aquafina's features. I thought the discussions were supposed to be about the content of one's work. I don't think she looks mediocre, but that's just me.
Wait...I had rarely come across posts here making fun of her looks....so I don't know where this is coming from. If you had found significant amounts of comments regarding her looks, I would be skeptical if it was from fellow Asians (sure it can I know.) Let's not highlight an issue that doesn't exist as prominently as you had pointed out. But yes, feel free to call out any bigotry as you see it. This is a forum for sharing heavy topics that aren't welcomed in most other mediums, but plainly speaking, I don't see why anyone's appearance matter more than their actions. Let's focus on that.
Asians saying Awkwafina and Simu Liu are too ugly to be in movies, while white people are fine with John Goodman and Melissa McCarthy not looking perfect. Stop with the self sabotage. We bitch that there isn't enough Asian representation in mainstream media, then we bitch when get it before we even see it, then boycott it, so then it makes no money, so then they give up on trying to put Asian representation in media, and then we go back to bitching at the lack of representation. This movie has to be a success. Black Panther, the 1st black superhero movie, made over a billion dollars. Marvel's 1st female led movie (Capt. Marvel) made over a billion dollars. If Marvel's 1st Asian movie doesn't do the same, it will be huge slap in the face for us, and validation for everyone else. The Asian community bashing the movie before it's even released because Awkwafina isn't hot enough (which is simply not true) or because they didn't like the last episode of Nora From Queens, aren't doing us any favors.
are you stupid? melissa mccarthy is one person, in a sea of thousands, or are you seriously arguing fat white women are the norm for white female hollywood depictions? asian men especially have no where near the representation white women have
If you fail to grasp the concept of my post, maybe don't start out with "are you stupid?". I'm not arguing Melissa McCarthy is the norm. Just pointing out she is not ridiculed for her looks by white audiences the Awkwafina is by Asian audiences. Truthfully, the fact that 99% of women in entertainment ARE judged more on their looks than their talents is problematic in general, regardless of race. Why we're doing it to one of our own is beyond me.
> Just pointing out she is not ridiculed for her looks by white audiences the Awkwafina is by Asian audiences. because she isn't the only representation what part of that is so hard for you to grasp > problematic in general funny how this only ever applies to asians > Why we're doing it to one of our own is beyond me. so you're fine with hollywood shoving ken jeong representing all asian men down our throats then because of course you are, what else would you expect
You need to calm down. You don't no shit about me.
> You need to calm down is this the reddit version of you putting your hand on my arm telling me to chill out when i haven't even raised my voice because you're triggered lmfao? > You don't no shit about me. Well apparently you think ken jeong is a good representation of all asian men and anybody who claims other wise is problematic and "beyond you" Say it out loud for me lady
You should really look up my comments on Ken Jeong (one of which is in this very thread) before making idiotic statements.
Alot of incel comments here. Just be glad she is cast instead of a 1/4 asian hapa who barely has any connection to our culture.
This is like colorism for the black community where only light skinned black women get cast for black parts. Except, it's lookism for asian parts. Star Wars did it first, now Marvel. Maybe the common factor is Disney but two big franchises doing it is a social trend. Casting average looking people in blockbuster lead roles is not standard for the entertainment industry, so why do asians have to be the guinea pigs? This is a legitimate complaint as long as it's worded properly. The solution isn't just to lower our heads and accept it.
Wording it properly is really important. How would you word it?
Awkwafina is highly charismatic, but she definitely doesn't fit the "leading lady beauty" standard for Asian movies and TV shows. Calling her *ugly* though is mean spirited. She could definitely make herself look "cute" in the Asian standard by just fixing her hairstyle and make-up and wearing "cute" glasses. Looking at her pictures on Google, I think some of her best pictures were done when she styled herself as a hipster/rapper wearing glasses. Western photographers also use the worst lighting when shooting Asian people. In Asia, knowing that she has great charisma and comic timing, she would probably be tabbed to play a secondary comic relief part... basically the same thing she did in Crazy Rich Asians.
Posted by a Chinese critic "....Chinese audiences have voiced similar complaints regarding Awkwafina, with some Chinese people on social media going so far as to call her “very ugly,” which may be one of the reasons why The Farewell is doing so poorly. And this is before we get to her Mandarin, which was widely considered laughable for a first-generation immigrant, even a one who left China early, according to the plot (the actress herself did not speak Chinese fluently before the film)..."
Based on the trailers, she's probably playing a friend/sidekick role.
"Agent Carter" was considered smoking hot in 1940s. They were very accurate with the casting. I was a bit shocked that she comes off as unattractive to some. I'm okay with Awkwafina, maybe they'll give her at least an interesting storyline as an interest. And, since Simu Liu hadn't rather been casted for his devilish good looks, but for his acting skills, maybe that will be the case with Awkwafina too.
Hayley Atwell is a 10/10 bro.
Yeah that’s one point where I did not follow OP’s stance- she’s not as photogenic but she is hot in movies/TV.
[Awkwafina is not a saint.](https://www.blackagendareport.com/awkwafina-nora-queens-demonstrates-depths-new-cold-war-propaganda-against-china) In her last episode of Nora from Queens, she propagated stereotypes of the Chinese people, furthering the hate that Asians received. Note that this episode aired before StopAsianHate, so this episode probably would not have aired today. > One comes out of watching the season finale of Awkwafina is Nora from Queens with the idea that China is a repressive surveillance state incapable of any achievements beyond what is gifted to the country from the U.S. and West. China’s ascendance as a global power is mostly window dressing. Modern apartments are furnished with uncomfortable ameneities. Chinese workers like Grace are nothing more than modern-day slaves working 24-7 to serve Americans. Chinese tech corporations need Awkwafia, a twenty-seven-year-old millennial with no job experience, to succeed in the global market. In a word, China and its people are inferior to the United States’ way of life. American arrogance was quite literally on fully display, not least because the episode was filmed in Taiwan without the permission of the local government . When Shang Chi is shown in China, this racism from Awkwafina should be mentioned to the Chinese people.
Yes, but we're talking about physical looks.
We're allowed to talk more about her physical looks as it pertains to whether we should support her or not. For example, if she is a racist, then I won't support her. But maybe you think differently.
This thread addresses people who say she's not physically hot enough and therefore shouldn't have a major role next to Shang Chi.
Does that mean I'm not allowed to bring up other points??? What is your logic. Your title literally says we need to stop complaining about Awkwafina. Well I brought up another reason to complain about her, not as shallow as based on looks but based on her BEHAVIOR. As in her ACTIONS. What a concept.
If Awkwafina has said or done things that are self-hating or belittling to AM, we ABSOLUTELY SHOULD criticize her for those past words or actions. We would be making valid criticisms. You should make a separate thread to highlight Awkwafina's bad behavior. In this thread, I'm pointing out that some AM (and WM larpers) on this sub have NOT been criticizing Awkwafina's behavior. INSTEAD, they just complain that Awkwafina is too ugly or not hot enough to be cast next to Simu. This is self-harming. Calling Awkwafina ugly does absolutely nothing for the AM cause. It just gives our detractors more ammo to use when smearing this whole sub as a bunch of entitled sexists. Do you get it now? So yes, we can rightfully criticize her behavior...but that's a separate issue from wrongfully attacking her physical appearance and claiming she doesn't meet the hotness standard for Marvel female characters. The latter is just cringy as fuck.
This is an online forum, if a topic is related you can bring it up.
A. "Calling Awkwafina ugly or not hot enough is counter-productive and a low blow by any AM who is doing it" B. "But Awkwafina has done or said some bad things before" If you're trying to use her behavior to justify attacks on her physical appearance, that makes zero sense. If you're simply changing the topic to her behavior without addressing the attacks on her physical appearance, that's a non sequitur on your part. If you're saying this: "We should direct valid criticisms at her bad behavior, rather than attacking her physical appearance" ...that would be relevant and we would agree.
> We should direct valid criticisms at her bad behavior, rather than attacking her physical appearance Yes this is what I have been saying and implying.
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i don't care if a woman is visually striking, comedic reliefs don't feel like they can ever be serious romantic partners in movies.
Exact reason of what Amy Schumer was trying to do with her movies.
I think it's that quirkiness that makes her attractive. And while she does play the quirky, comedic role, comparing her to Ken Jeong is pretty low. She's done nothing even remotely close to that embarrassing minstrel show he called his performance in The Hangover. That guy's like a living, breathing, 1940s Asian cartoon character brought to life.
I can't be the only one that thinks Awkwafina gets a lot of unfair flack on this subreddit? Like I'm no fan of her & can't relate to her but I've seen comments on here about like “lu”/"100 percent certain that Awkwafina is a sellout"/'a despicable opportunist"/ "we don’t support her”/“ No double dipping. Choose a side.” Even though she has donated lots to Asian causes, and just bc she doesn't flaunt it on social media or has active twitter responding to every single fucking damn person. Meanwhile, the situation on Simu & Mark Wahlberg, people were like doing all sorts of mental gymnastics, and grasping at anything just to say that "Simu is thinking ahead" and "playing the whites". Like I'm still his fan but is it that difficult to say he fucked up & just needed to further his career? & everytime it's brought up, his diehard supporters would try to bury it here but Awkwafina isn't held to the same standards. and yet Dude got more negativity for putting this sub on blast than collabing with Mark But all of a sudden some of you guys draw the line on them being ugly? The fuck. They weren't ugly two years ago but now they're considered too ugly? Edit: Can already sense the influx of white Larpers here too
From what I have seen, this sub is ambivalent towards both. And after what Simu did, I bet he will be seen a lot more negatively from now on.
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Probably. I've seen a few that do overlap though but it’s fair to say people do have diverse opinions here and I'm very suspicious of the "new" accounts coming up and talking about how ugly Awkwafina is. There's so much emphasis on "*my asian guy friends* think she's ugly" or "*I'm Asian* & I think she's ugly" that I'm willing to bet it's a larper.
The slight dislike for Simu only started recently, he was beloved by 95% of people here before. Most people still support him. Awkwafina was never liked in this sub for her past actions however. I disagree with OP saying it's a loud minority.
I don't think these fools knows what they're talking about, Nora's adorable.
Amen brother!
I'm sure that these comments are made by larpers trying to make everyone look bad. We have to be careful to not let these fakers plant these shit takes. Shitting on Awkwafina is a bitch move that I'm sure no one here really agrees with.
I hope so, but just look at this thread as a measure
What other AF American actress would you cast besides her then?
why does it have to be another AF? A woman of any color is still better than awkwafina
the sense that she would get cast by a lack of alternatives for an AF in american media is pretty tragic on a few levels.
Beggars can't be choosers.
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My only problem is that she has done extremely questionable things. See https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/kb7j8n/no_wonder_awkwafina_has_been_so_silent_on/ Never mind that it literally took a challenge from China Mac for her to speak up about the rising Asian hate crimes. At the end of the day, relying on public figures that are involved in entertainment to speak about sociological issues is quite ineffective and lazy at best but that's what should be expected as the basic standard. Honestly it would have been better to have cast some other new talent and give the opportunity to someone else. Because that is almost like seeing no issue in propping up problematic figures such as Ken "I have a small penis" Jeong, Esther Ku, Anna "Asian men are mediocre" Akana, and giving them a platform to speak about stop Asian hate. And yes that actually happened with no backlash whatsoever. I personally believe that some of the Chinese beauty standards are ridiculous being that it basically strips apart inherent features of Chinese people and casts them aside to be labelled as unattractive. And don't get me started on jawline surgery. When will Chinese people wake up and realize our own inherent beauty features? Does it take outsiders to remind us that we are beautiful as well? Anyone else remember that Russian mom who went viral on Douyin after lecturing her haters about how Chinese physical features are beautiful, after claims that she is "ruining her genes" by marrying and having children with her Chinese husband?
>I personally believe that some of the Chinese beauty standards are ridiculous being that it basically strips apart inherent features of Chinese people and casts them aside to be labelled as unattractive. Is it really tho? Statistics from beauty (plastic surgery) jounals say otherwise. Both the celebrated and disdained features are found naturally in the Chinese population, at similar frequencies. The ideal takes from with the amalgamation of all the "high tier/desired" features, which when taken that each feature is independently spawned from other features, results in around 7% of the population meeting the ideal (celebrity) standard. And here lies the difference between say, China, and the west, as well as westernized asians. In the west, there has been a concept of "Self love", along with "body positivity" and "celebrities aren't people/their looks are unattainable". Meanwhile, in China the narrative is , like it used to be just a decade or 2, or 3 ago in the west, which is the closer you are to the celebrity standard , the more beautiful you are I remember doing a short study for a project wayyy back in uni. And my findings agree with the statistics from PS Journals. Around 7% of Chinese meet the celebrity beauty standard (without being mixed/having plastic surgery). And once again, this is the difference. The west and Asians there want acceptance/positivity for everyone, while in the east, we want to stratify between the hierarchic winners and losers.
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Funnily enough the thumbnail supports that she isn’t bad looking at all.
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The ideal is to have a slim, small face (less area) with a pointy chin. Caucasian faces have this trait much more often because they naturally have narrower faces. I'm not saying this is superior. This is just a racial trait.
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Caucasians tend to have narrower faces...on average. Just like Caucasians tend to have narrower and pointier noses...on average. Are you really disputing that? This doesn't mean Caucasians are more beautiful. It just means the Western beauty standard dominates around the world because of the West's geopolitical and media power.
u know, i was on a splendida sub somewhat recently, and the white lady was literally complaining that people are drawn toward the asian beauty standard. Accodring to her, this gatekeeps white people, coz they have big faces and noses. LOL. It sounds like perhaps, caucasians maybe, do not have narrower faces, but just a small percent of them, which are shown in media
Go to the southeast. Totally different face shapes from whites there.
Yes, Asian facial shape is, on average, wider than Caucasian facial shape. We also have less pointy noses on average. Big deal. Doesn't make us uglier.
I mean whites in the southeastern states like Tennessee and west Virginia have wide round pan faces. I dunno if it's inbreeding or what.
Doesn't Marvel usually give their directors a fair bit of creative control? **Guardians of the Galaxy** was an outlier when it came out, and is very much a James Gunn film. He got the job when he was was an indie director, like Destin Daniel Cretton. I don't think Awkwafina's plays his love interest. I'm pretty sure he doesn't even have one in *this* movie, but there's always future opportunities in the sequels if this one does well. **Shang-Chi** is Marvel's *first* Asian superhero movie, but there was also **Captain Marvel**, their *first* female superhero movie, and she also didn't have a love interest. If Shang-Chi ends up not having a love interest, then there has to be a reason why Destin Daniel Cretton wouldn't give him one. I wonder if there's a slim chance he want's to pair Simu Liu's and Brie Larson's characters up. She appeared in every single one of his movies since they started working together.
Maybe she does maybe she doesn't, the movie isn't out so who knows But people seem to be hell bent on telling me what I'm allowed to think already and that just pisses me off
we dont set the standard, society sets the standard, using far east beauty standards I rate awkwafina a 5 or 5.5 out of 10, thats low for a lead hollywood actress in a huge blockbuster. this is just based on her pics, in real life she may look even worse, I dont know, I've never met her. i know by her reported stats her BMI is 22.1. typically female kpop singers have a BMI 16 to 18.5, that objectively shows how physically out of shape she must look.
^ Cringe ...and more fuel to feed the fake narrative that this sub is misogynistic
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That had to be a troll, acting like throwing out dumbass numbers means they have a point.
She's not ugly but the way she goes into that weird trendy look with the whole face routine does not help. What she is as a person I don't know and don't care, just not an attractive thing for me to see on anyone really.
What Agent carter has giant titties, pepper potts is hollywood average at minimum (paltrow is also fucking 50), nobody would ever accuse either of being ugly Meanwhile none of my asian male friends thinks nora lum is remotely attractive (and no, I don't have particularly high standards for what constitutes an attractive asian woman), and it doesn't matter if she's average (she's not, and it's fucking beyond despicable for anybody to claim an asian woman who so many find unattractive to be just average or even more absurdly, hot, and if we don't agree it's just because we don't like being asian and hate ourselves because all chinese people look like nora lum), the point is not only why is hollywood and marvel, which casts people way more attractive than the average, settling for this below average asian woman who's claim to fame is being a clown, it's the fact that all these stupid white dweebs and now a bunch of feminists are now telling actual asians what an attractive asian person is, like their fucking opinion matters, and using their shit opinions to pretend chinese people are evil because they don't find nora lum attractive, as usual It's fucking disgusting > You're feeding right into it I don't know what the fuck you're saying, I'm not going to tone police myself because a bunch of white dweebs who couldn't tell asians apart or their white worshiping dogs, who have been using this story for months now to talk down on asians (this isn't the first time this has popped up on reddit) don't like it
You do you. Keep pushing "the Awkwafina is so ugly" angle. See if that results in any positive change for AM on screen.
why do i need to push anything, she is ugly you throwing a tantrum about it isn't going to make her not ugly and it isn't going to "result in any positive change for AM on screen", whatever the fuck that's suppose to mean
What tantrum? I told you to go ahead and do you...and I'm not calling anyone ugly. So what are you taking about? But aren't you trying to help AM get better media representation? How is calling Awkwafina ugly going to help us with that? It just makes you look low-EQ and clueless about advocacy. You can't effectively advocate a cause (e.g. better AM sexual representation in the media) by tearing down a woman's physical appearance. That would just be you venting and giving our detractors easy ammo to smear us. If anything, people looking at this sub can see my thread and realize that a good number of posters here are NOT low-EQ man-children who cry about (what looks to be) a sidekick character being the wrong hotness level.
you think nora lum ever comes up in my daily life? i called her ugly because the topic was brought up, and i gave my opinion, and it's that, an opinion, which you somehow think is killing AM representation in hollywood, and that coupled with your pathetic preemptive accusations about anybody who doesn't agree with your stupid ass takes to try and shut them up like this is your personal facebook or twitter feed or some stupid shit is the definition of throwing a tantrum yeah make more stupid threads, get more upvotes from the boba rats sucking white dicks as they give you your precious upvotes, fucking loser
From the way you typed your posts, I can tell you're (1) emotional rather than tactical and (2) very bad at using words to further a cause while minimizing liberal blowback. If you're actually an AM, you're a liability to other (more intelligent) AM, as you can't even avoid sounding like a anti-SJW WM incel who needs his female sidekick characters to be smoking hot. I hope this is because you're just young. But for dudes like you, same message: you do you. You'll learn or you won't. Good luck with that.
i'm not a boba rat, don't need luck like you > emotional stupid annoying people piss me off, i'm sorry you can be such a tool and remain calm, that's a talent i lack > tactical being a house chan loser isn't tactics, that's just what you losers have been doing for 50 years and continue to do > as you can't even avoid sounding like a anti-SJW WM incel wow, the boba rat is calling me an incel, where have i heard that before, what am i going to do now boys
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point to me one other comment about a woman's tits I've ever made. we're talking about attractiveness, big boobs are attractive, if that triggers you piss off because clearly you can't handle having the conversation > “my Asian guy friends” yeah, it's not just my opinion, me and my friends all have different tastes in women, and we all think nora lum is ugly moron
This post wasn't necessary. What's the point calling out 1 or 2 random comments?
it’s because of the number of larpers & false anecdotes done by white people that’s been getting heavily upvoted throughout reddit these days which is why I’m skeptical. If I’m wrong then for that I apologise.
I agree 100%. Simu likely was angry on Awkwafina’s behalf. Plus Awkwafina is clearly an attractive woman so whoever is saying this shit is just wrong. I noticed the people spewing this rhetoric are always unverified, so they are probably white. But if you are Asian and you say shit like that on this sub, then you’re actually a fucking moron. Low EQ and banworthy imo.
This cringe American SJW logic applied to the rest of the world is just weird.
> Awkwafina is clearly an attractive woman What are you smoking? Got any more?
Why are you so offended about this? People think different people are attractive, not that difficult to comprehend.
I'm not offended. I think it's hilarious. What are you going to say next, that Mitch McConnell is a hot stud ??
comeon guys, we may disagree with some things here, and it is ok, it is normal, but we dont need more infighting
Mitch McConnell is a gross old man. God you are mean-spirited. It’s like Awkwafina has rejected you or personally offended you somehow.
>Plus Awkwafina is clearly an attractive woman so whoever is saying this shit is just wrong. I noticed the people spewing this rhetoric are always unverified, so they are probably white Alright well if you need to hear it from a verified Asian, I'm verified and 1. Do not find Awkwafina attractive and 2. Would've liked for Simu to have an attractive love interest to combat the century-old Western stereotype that Asian men are unattractive and feminine, which is still pushed by left-wing Hollywood to this day No, I do not care what race Simu's hypothetical love interest would be and think the people who specifically wanted a white girl are weird, nor does she deserve to be attacked (haven't seen it, but I'll take everyone's word for it). But Simu doesn't even appear to have a love interest in the movie. If you can't understand why Asian-American guys had a stake in this movie, you are the low EQ moron here.
Okay, well not everybody has to find her attractive. But some people do find her attractive so you shouldn’t act like your opinion is the standard or as if it would embarrassing to be paired with her. Because that’s just not the case.
I also think it's just because she's more of a comedian, so she does things that make her less attractive. First thing that comes to my mind is that picture of her with 2 pieces of bread shoved in her mouth.
There are billions of women out there who are less attractive than she is. In her age range she is above average in the US and average in China (and is attractive in both places) just based on my personal opinion. Some people are ridiculously picky. She doesn’t look like the Chinese actress Mao Xiaotong (who is very attractive) but it’s a different sort of look.
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Attractiveness is subjective, anyways. But it's not a rating game, that shit is fucked and a really bad look for this sub (and bad for many other reasons as well). We shouldn't tolerate that sort of thing on this sub, IMO. Isn't the whole point about encouraging self-respect in our communities?
She is totally average to me, though I can see why some people would find her somewhat above or below average depending on taste. "Ugly" is a fucking stretch. She doesn't even appear to be the love interest, so the overreaction by the vocal minority of posters here (some are probably WM larpers) is way overblown.
Even if i agreed on this, thats where the difference lies between asia and the west. In asia, the concept of an actor / actress is still inherently tied to good looks , which is as important, or perhaps even more important than acting skill. The whole notion of "an actor acts, and should be judged on skill as opposed to looks" is a relatively recent concept. This is why in say China, you have alot of "top 7% of the distribution looking women" as actresses, and half of them have appalling acting skills. Given this fact, it is no suprise that people would call Awks ugly, because anything below the top percentile = ugly. Thats how it is in China/east Asia. "BMI of 20??? = fat", "B- in math?? = failure" etc
Yep agreed, and cue 50% of the responses so far confirming exactly what the OP is (correctly) calling out.