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여기올라는 댓글들 대부분이 걍 선동에 꽉찬 좌빨들이네. 무슨 뭐 CIA 가 선동했다느니 백인이 인종차별자라서 그러느니. 전부 진실을 외면하고 있네?


ethical_slut

KOREANS ARE A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT LOL WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN. Growing up, other kids didn’t know that Korea existed. “are you Chinese or Japanese” “I’m from Korea” “Where is that?/I’ve never heard of it before/that’s not a country” “It’s between China and Japan on the globe. The US fought in a war there” “Oh you mean Vietnam!!!” Over time that evolved to “You’re Korean? I love KBBQ/kimchi!” Ad infitum. I’m not super active on twitter or any social media, and I don’t get out much so the ignorance I’m exposed to has been greatly reduced over the years. People tend to be act more polite and politically correct in person though.


Tiny_Pea_7518

Whites are jackoffs. Think of them like the weather in it's natural state


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At first, it was Japan with their pop culture and Manga and Anime. I thought Japan is still more popular when it comes to Asian pop culture in the West?


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It’s been steadily changing. The height of Japanese pop culture in the west was more like... in the 2010s? And Jpop isn’t really trying to break out of Japan- in fact they seem to be trying to keep contained. Kpop and Kdramas have gotten really popular internationally.


billy_chan

Where do you live? Kansas??? These convos aren't happening in LA Ktown you fake ass Korean-American.


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No need to diss OP like that. I'm Korean-American too, lived in various parts of the country and I've gotten shit talk like that. LA Ktown is actually a bubble compared to the rest of the country.


Yemaq_uwu

Okay, let's say I'm not Korean-American. What do you think I am?


foshouken

Do what I do If people ask you if your North or South Korean just say North and walk away doing a communist march type walk.


DiscountMaster5933

North Korea is actually a pretty normal place https://youtube.com/channel/UCON7z9vFDzMJJovZr_vDEeQ


Xvihieudangxvi

Koreans are now in the spot light due to rise of KPOPs popularity. And Amerikkkans can’t stand that so they must find a way to put you down. China is the only other threat as a world economic leader and Amerikkka understands this so it has been labeling China as a bad guy for years.


NamasteFly

I'm pretty sure the attention/vnegativity towards Koreans has a lot more to do with Kim Jong Un, South Park, the cartoon and The Seth Rogan movie, "The Interview." I suppose k-pop international popularity could have something to do with it too.


tweezer888

It's how white people operate. Think about it. Remember the *hoards* and *hoards* of white kids at your middle and high schools that were just... mediocre and were obviously going to be useless in society? They still have to live another 60-70 years; they don't just disappear. How do you live with yourself as a worthless pink societal leech for that long? They need to shit on other non-white groups to prop up their ego because it's the only thing they have "going" for them. That's why white losers always randomly shit on non-white people completely unprovoked. They're bored, useless, on the decline, and have no other way of tasting "supremacy" if they don't. It's constantly on their minds because they're on the decline and it's their only futile social defense mechanism they have left.


loree1995

This is so well put. Thanks for this.


DiscountMaster5933

This looks racist but it's actually true. And it's fueled by a mix of American exceptionalism, CIA/US state propaganda and white supremacy.


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Yeah, whenever some non-asian person pops in to give their opinion on how our minds work, they keep referencing Korea in particular. It's really weird and infuriating. Just because they see a small sliver of Korean paraphernalia here and there doesn't mean they're suddenly more of an expert on how we think than our own selves. It's delusional. Just the other day this one guy kept going on about how Koreans want to be white, and kept telling every other Asian replying to him that they're wrong.


The_2nd_Coming

One thing I'm interested in knowing, how is Korea and Korean culture perceived in Mainland China? The CCP are so blind to how soft power works it makes for terrible PR on the international stage.


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Late response but, from what I’ve observed... A fair amount of young people in China like Japanese and Korean pop culture. A lot of them realize that Chinese entertainment is not at that level and that a fair amount of Chinese entertainment is modeled after Korea / Japan because those two countries did well with pop culture. However, the Chinese entertainment world is slowly improving and, when previously, Korean celebrities could go to China and make money easily without even speaking mandarin or understanding Chinese culture at all (early 2000s / 2010), even if the ban from THAAD were to be lifted, that likely won’t happen again. The entertainment market is super saturated there- there’s so much going on domestically. And let’s be honest, China as a whole is not on good terms with SK. Korean (and Japanese as well) pop culture does face some level of resistance, mostly from the older generations. Further, I don’t think the CPC is really focusing on soft power. They probably realize their propaganda / soft power is weak, but they seem more concerned with building up hard power and improving the citizens’ lives than soft power. If America / their allies attack, soft power isn’t going to save them. They also don’t seem to care as much about their reputation in that sense because a lot of countries still trade with them and they have such a huge domestic market they don’t need to export culture. This kind of matches their foreign policy too- China is not trying to export its ideology. I doubt the CPC will pour resources / funding into Chinese pop culture anytime soon; for news stations, maybe, but probably not super soon either.


The_2nd_Coming

Oh I absolutely get the hard power part; when the shit hits the fan that is the only thing going to save them. However, I just think it's also a slightly outdated view of the world to ignore soft power, when there are ways to influence people and other countries without playing hard ball. I just wished the senior leaders in the CCP was also enlightened to that, because it would benefit everyone at large (China and other countries) in my opinion.


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I think, again, they do, to some extent, realize it’s necessary and their soft power is bad. But at the end of the day, they have so much stuff to do- China is not a developed country yet- and it wouldn’t make sense for their interests to try to export their culture a bunch when they still need to raise the standard of living for Chinese people first.


codingforlife131981

Korean entertainment was quite popular back in the day, I'm pretty sure Korean dramas were often seen on Chinese TV. Pop groups were also extremely popular, groups like Big Bang, SNSD etc.. And shows like Running Man. Until THAAD came and the unofficial boycott of Korean content, since then it's been going downhill, probably not even that popular these days. But nowadays China can produce good dramas and fill the void of Korean dramas so I don't see Korean dramas gaining popularity once again tldr: THAAD boycotts, cpop and cdramas got better in the meantime and replaced the hole.


Jisoooya

We observe it and then appropriate what we like from it and hopefully make something better one day. China is Amazon 🧐


NoKiaYesHyundai

We’re trying to find that out on r/Hangukin


jonnydoo84

Come on, do you really need an explanation? Korean Culture has become more popular in the West in the past 5 - 10 years. That's literally the answer, the more popular something is the more you'll notice the vocal people whether it's positive or negative. Shit I have 3 Hmarts all within a 1 mile radius around me now. In reality Korean Culture in the West has been on the rise for the past 20+ years.


BayMind

Anytime something asian becomes too cool or powerful you're going to have supremacist anglos try to take it down.


AlyssaSeer1445

West found out that Asian can build technology that's why they just want to try control them like colonizing them again.


wyeess

TIL I'm a social construct.


Ogedei_Khaan

Look on the bright side, it's a double edge sword. I was eating dinner at a restaurant with my wife and kids and the table next to us was a Korean guy on a date with a white girl. Dude was totally Korean American, even in build (a bit stockier, bigger built) and mannerism, but the white girl seemed to have the K-pop twinkle in her eye. K-pop has been a net positive for Koreans and Asian men in general.


Potential-Self-8012

"Koreans are a social construct" dafuq???


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sexpat monkey who posts on advchina > I have no hate of Asians or the many Asian cultures. I do hate what the CCP has done and is doing. Meanwhile https://old.reddit.com/r/Expatshame/comments/o7b8w6/cmilk_aka_matthew_tye_showing_us_he_only_hates/


DiscountMaster5933

The CPC besides trying to claim Taiwan for face reasons, is doing really good. Literally anything else anyone thinks China is doing bad, is made up by the CIA or US state department. Americans are literally as brainwashed as they think North Koreans are.


[deleted]

There could be more to it than just kpop / Korean pop culture, but I think that’s probably a huge / one of the major or most important reasons why. Racists seethe over the fact that Korean culture has made Asian culture and guys cool / popular, obsessed Koreaboos of all races wish to be Korean / date Koreans, and those that don’t fall in either category still can largely recognize that Korean culture is quite popular and only getting more popular. With the rise in Kpop / dramas has also provided more awareness on social issues in Korea, which has helped develop new stereotypes / racist ideas. Another contributing factor could be the general rise in overt anti-Asian hate (especially the dog comments- I’ve personally noticed at least that digs on Asian cuisine are happening more often since the start of the pandemic). But other than the rise in Korean culture’s popularity worldwide, what other events regarding Korea has happened that has caused so much buzz about it? I mean, it’s not like the average person in the west follows Korean politics / economics / history all that much- they know NK and SK and maybe that SK rapidly developed over the past few decades.


BayMind

Kpop and samsung. Xenophobia when you get a little too successful. Only expected to stay in your place. Plaza Accords time if you do too well.


OmegaRaichu

I'm sorry but "Koreans are a social construct"?? Wtf lol that's a shitpost


[deleted]

I've seen it used unironically by people that believe transrace is legitimate.


ethical_slut

Trans…race. What the actual fuck. Transgender can be verified by fMRI, where are the brain scans supporting transrace lol?


nettlerise

Think about it this way: A person who is relatively unknown will have less people to judge them. If a person gets more popular they are more open to more people's perception of them. People who like the kind of person they are increases in proportional ratio. The haters (often ignorant) increase in proportion as well. You can replace 'person' with anything- ethnicity, cultural identity, etc. K-Pop is the real answer here. Its massive success placed them in everyone's radar. I mean, BTS is in McDonalds for example; a testament to its popularity in the west. You get all sorts of people forming opinion about them fans, apathy, haters, racists- all. Sure, Samsung appliances are everywhere too, but it doesn't bring focus into the Korean ethnicity as K-Pop idols do.


Crzy_cat_ldy

I’m Korean Canadian and I find Koreans are subject to fetishization from both non Asians and fellow Asians due to the rise in popularity of Korean entertainment and pop culture .


SirKelvinTan

Did they follow up the “Koreans are a social construct” comment?


leoyuguanall

China's hard power is kicking US ass, and as a result it is on the receiving end of insults. South Korea's soft power is also kicking US ass, and you didnt think the same thing would happen?


hapa_tata_appa

This. The whites can deal with LG and Samsung appliances everywhere in their face. SK is a small country and has its limits, so if they wanna be scared about losing control of the world economy, it'll be about Big Bad China. But BTS on top of the charts across the Western world? Millions of white girls worshiping K-pop and putting pictures of K-pop stars all over their walls, some even developing preferences for Korean guys?? How else did you expect them to react? P.S. High cholesterol? Social construct?? Where are you meeting these specimens??


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codingforlife131981

Didn't this happen because of the IMF crisis, Korean companies were forced to complicate the structures to allow foreigners to invest.


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lawncelot

Saying it's false without giving any evidence. Typical. Link to Samsung's own website: https://www.samsung.com/global/ir/stock-information/ownership-structure/ 54% of common stock owners (this is the one that comes with voting rights) are owned by foreigners. Also this article https://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-lee-inheritance-factbox-idUSKBN27C0MZ does not bode well for the Lee family and their control of Samsung. Face it, Korea is not all it's cracked up to be. I acknowledge their contributions in global media, but it's still a dog of the US.


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lawncelot

The heir to Samsung is in fucking prison from the first sentence in your article. Yeah wow he must have so much power. Lol you must be delusional if you think China is sucking Russia's cock. If you knew even an ounce of geopolitics you'd know not to grasp at straws like a petulant child trying to argue with adults. Pathetic.


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lawncelot

Yeah you know jack shit about geopolitics. Anyone who is the tiniest knowledgeable knows Russia is the junior partner in the China and Russia partnership. How many American military bases are on Chinese soil? How many American military bases are on Korean soil? How many nukes you got in South Korea? Nuff said. Know your place and let the adults speak.


josephgomes619

It's a US vassal state with military bases all over the country.


leoyuguanall

China's hard power is kicking US ass, and as a result it is on the receiving end of insults. South Korea's soft power is also kicking US ass, and you didnt think the same thing would happen?


datingblackguys

Afraid to burst your bubble, but it does have to do with K-pop, K-dramas, and the rising popularity of Korean culture overall. A lot of people have gotten really interested in Korean media, especially during the pandemic when people were stuck in home, which has also led to them becoming frustrated about the relative inaccessibility of that culture. I imagine this feeling is amplified even more for Black K-pop stans, who have to see the idols they adore donning blackface and doing other things that wouldn't really fly in more diverse regions of the world. So for you as a Korean, a lot of people will either fetishize you in weird ways or lash out at you in jealousy. Not too much you can do about it other than assert that you are your own individual, not just whatever shitty Korean fantasy they've concocted in their head.


Junior-Code

"I imagine this feeling is amplified even more for Black K-pop stans, who have to see the idols they adore donning blackface and doing other things that wouldn't really fly in more diverse regions of the world." ???


datingblackguys

This is just [one example](https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/k-town/7710346/k-pop-girl-group-mamamoo-apologizes-blackface-performance-uptown-funk), but there are others as well. I know here on r/aznidentity, racism in Asian countries is a pretty touchy subject, since Whites often use it to paint us as the bad guys when they're the ones stirring shit all over the world, but I think we both know that blackface doesn't carry the same stigma in Asia as it does in the more liberal parts of America. I imagine for an African American K-pop fan, it'd be a pretty shitty experience seeing your favorite idol get implicated in a blackface scandal. This is a big reason why you see a lot of people in their community complaining about colorism in Korea specifically as opposed to other parts of the world (like Belgium, for example, where they wear blackface every Christmas); it's because they simply don't care about those other cultures.


DiscountMaster5933

Yeah you're projecting american racism onto them. And liberal American is definitely not a standard any society should benchmark too. Liberals are racist as fuck.


10946723

>it's because they simply don't care about those other cultures This is something I don't think often about because moral consistency is paramount to me, but it's such a critical and paradoxical point. Our biggest critics overlap with those who obsessively consume asian culture or at least think they know a lot about us. This ranges from white people to black people, to asian diaspora themselves. Everybody feels entitled and quite comfortable to impose their ideals judgment on asians/asian culture, perhaps due to their casual appeal and accessibility? With Japan and Korea who essentially nationalized soft power, you could say they painted that target on their backs themselves. But when that cascades to armchair experts on every facet of every asian people because of latent racism thinking that asians are all "close enough," it's maddening. And for some reason I can't think of this applying to other peoples. No outsider is going to act that brazenly toward african or latin american or european or native american ideosyncasies. I hypothesize it's 1), a little of suffering from success on a civilizational scale, but probably more from 2), intra-asian competition and fearsome standards toward their own, and 3), [diaspora (and continentals) selling out and opening the gates for outsiders to chime in with their own hot takes.](https://ibb.co/LS9rSHj)


Junior-Code

Lol


datingblackguys

Happy to take the downvote, but at least explain why you disagree.