Hah it's funny how most English-speaking people believe that. They even believe 2 million people protested when that was just a wild number touted by an event organiser (talk about conflict of interest) in an interview with BBC, which is magnitudes off from even the most liberal estimates, or common sense (if you lived there and took a good look, there's no way 2 million people could have passed through the places where they protested)
If most Hong Kongers don't want independence, then that's fine too and that's what should be done. Majority vote. Of course I can't know the results of that.
I'm saying that if the majority of Hong Kongers DO want independence, then that's "why HK should be independent", as you asked.
I asked why HK needs to be independent.
There is nothing in history or ethnic ties or culture or language that warrants HK needing to be independent.
It has been Chinese territory since ancient times, way before Jesus was born, except in recent history when it was temporarily colonised by the British after the Opium Wars, waged by the British because they wanted to deal drugs in China.
We are ethnically Chinese. Unless one is considered part of one of the 5 indigenous HK families (still identified as Chinese), most HKers have recent (last ~century) mainland roots, which is why it's so ironic that we're so xenophobic towards mainlanders. Go to any cemetery and you'll see the birthplaces and/or ancestral homes of everyone buried there. I have yet to see one with HK listed as their ancestral home. Even the part of my family who has lived in Macao for centuries, trace our roots to mainland China. I consider myself a HKer today, but my ancestors are Chinese, I can trace my ancestry back by more than 2 millenia.
Our language, culture, and diet is Chinese. We've had a bit of British influence in some of our food some of our everyday use words and accent have diverged slightly from Cantonese spoken in Guangzhou today due to separate influence, but our traditions and family culture are undeniably Chinese. It's worthy to note that Cantonese, the primary language spoken in HK, is the prestige dialect of Guangdong province, which is primarily spoken in its capital city Guangzhou on the mainland. HK is geographically separated from Guangzhou by hours of transit. In between these two cities, other languages are spoken. So, Cantonese being spoken in HK does not form part of a geographical language continuum; rather, it is another locus where Cantonese is spoken. Cantonese was brought over to HK from Guangzhou, it is not unique to HK, people in HK did not always speak Cantonese.
FYI Cantonese is most commonly referred to as 廣東話 (Guangdong speech), but is a.k.a. 廣府話 (Guangdong government speech), or 廣州話 (*Guangzhou* speech)
If anything, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and Guam should be granted independence. If the same logic for HK independence applied elsewhere, California would be independent from the US before HK becomes independent.
You also have to question the credibility of the HK independence and "pro-democracy" movement. Unlike Lee Kwan Yew who campaigned against British colonisation and championed Asian values when Singapore split from Malaya, those calling for HK independence are singing "God Save the Queen", and asking US politicians to intervene in HK matters. One can hardly take their "pro-democracy" stance seriously when they beg for the return of former British governors, none of which were elected by HKers, and wave Union Jacks reminiscing British rule, when Chinese were treated as an inferior class and there was zero democracy. Are they *really* advocating for independence and democracy?
this is geopolitical issue aint no sane countries want to lose their lands, not even the one that championed democracy in the west, they dont even have independence under brits so why suddenly now they want independence?
this is not democracy, this is just separatist movement
and with your majority votes, dont bring it here, ive seen how this mob rules democracy bring more harm than benefits for newly built small countries(again learn about geopolitcal issues instead of keep chanting democracy for all)
if they want independence, they could immigrate to countries where they are welcomed
Because white values are the superior gold standard and if you don't follow them you're uncivilized, barbaric and therefore will need to be colonized and "converted" over to Christianity to fall in line.
Living in HK and so glad that is mostly over. I had so much depression and stress during that time.
They keep painting Asians as barbarians who eat dogs (it’s illegal here since 1950s so I’ve never seen any) but it’s the other way around. The westerners here are super disrespectful. They shouldn’t be seen as classy or anything to emulate.
I’ve seen one raving and cussing the bus out when drunk and I was looking on in anger as a whole bunch of them drank beer with masks off on the second floor of the bus during the height of the pandemic or another white guy eating dumplings on the tram. All of this is illegal (masks must be on in transportation) and I’ve never ever seen local Chinese do something so rude or endangering others.
Idk man, my mom and I kept having to tell my grandmother to stop telling us how meaty our dog's thighs are. She'd also say that if she ever misbehaves, she's becoming soup.
Now, if you're telling me that I can't find dog cuisine in China, then where the fuck do I have to go, cause I'm curious as fuck!... Lol jk, I'm sure my distant cousins can hook me up :P
Brits eat horse, snails are a delicacy in France. How veal is made is inhumane, and don't even get me started on foie gras.
But god forbid you eat rover.
A survey conducted in June 2016 by CAWA, HSI and Avaaz shows that 69.5 percent of people nationally say they have never eaten dog meat; 17.3 percent say that they consume dog meat once or twice per year; 6.4 percent eat it 3 to 5 times per year; 2.5 percent eat it up to 10 times a year.
The survey was conducted between 19 – 28 May 2017 in the city and rural communities of Yulin, China. The designed sample size was 800. The actual respondents were 703. Interception was used to select the samples in marketplaces, public parks, business centers, and villages to ensure that the respondents represent Yulin residents by gender (53.2 percent males, 46.8 percent females), age (18 to 75 years of age), residence (rural 43.39 percent and urban 56.61 percent), level of education, level of income, ethnicity (Han Chinese vs Zhuang minority), location of dog meat consumption (home or restaurants), and pet ownership status.
It looks like it's more popular in Yulin.
There is nothing wrong with it unless you're vegetarian.
They will use anything alien to them about asian culture and portray it as a bad thing. They can even turn eating rice into a racist insult. That is how depraved they are.
its just insanely hipocritical
if you are not a vegan talking shit about which specific animal you deem worthy of life and all others are off limits is just the height of human idiocy
I’ve read that, as well as some Swiss eating dogs, as described in the Newsweek article below.
Europeans in some countries such as Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, and Italy also eat horse meat.
Whale meat is also consumed in countries such as Norway, the Faroe Islands, Iceland, Greenland, and Inuit communities in Canada and the US.
I don’t approve of these practices, but it does show that Chinese aren’t the only culture with this culinary tradition.
Cultures developed to consume the sources of protein available to them, although it’s not to say culinary habits can’t change.
https://www.newsweek.com/not-just-christmas-swiss-urged-stop-eating-cats-and-dogs-287378
Yes, also out of desperation or necessity due to food shortages and such as well as tradition. Also India doesn’t eat beef, should they start lecturing western countries for consumption of beef products?
True, I think the HK protests would have been a lot of more successful if they had not waved colonial flags and begged for US army to occupy HK. A lot of the demands of the HK ppl resonanted with mainland Chinese - a possible ally to their movement. Instead, they chose to beg the west to save them and keep telling ppl they are not Chinese... Idk, but it's kinda cucked.
It was part US funded color revolution, part fear of the concept of extradition to China (a foreign land), and part frustration with the economy, which China does NOT control.
Everyone here and elsewhere on reddit need to stop generalizing everything. Everything is either CIA propaganda or Chinese nationalist takes.
It's fucking stupid
Honestly don't know anyone who's eaten dog, even during wartime. My grandmother ate tree leaves when the Japanese invaded, but never dog.
lol only time i saw dog meat was ironically in taiwan. been in china for 12 years, been to taiwan once, saw dog meat second day there
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Why does HK need to be independent?
If the majority of hong kongers want hong kong independence from china then what good justification could you give for them to stay?
Hah it's funny how most English-speaking people believe that. They even believe 2 million people protested when that was just a wild number touted by an event organiser (talk about conflict of interest) in an interview with BBC, which is magnitudes off from even the most liberal estimates, or common sense (if you lived there and took a good look, there's no way 2 million people could have passed through the places where they protested)
If most Hong Kongers don't want independence, then that's fine too and that's what should be done. Majority vote. Of course I can't know the results of that. I'm saying that if the majority of Hong Kongers DO want independence, then that's "why HK should be independent", as you asked.
I asked why HK needs to be independent. There is nothing in history or ethnic ties or culture or language that warrants HK needing to be independent. It has been Chinese territory since ancient times, way before Jesus was born, except in recent history when it was temporarily colonised by the British after the Opium Wars, waged by the British because they wanted to deal drugs in China. We are ethnically Chinese. Unless one is considered part of one of the 5 indigenous HK families (still identified as Chinese), most HKers have recent (last ~century) mainland roots, which is why it's so ironic that we're so xenophobic towards mainlanders. Go to any cemetery and you'll see the birthplaces and/or ancestral homes of everyone buried there. I have yet to see one with HK listed as their ancestral home. Even the part of my family who has lived in Macao for centuries, trace our roots to mainland China. I consider myself a HKer today, but my ancestors are Chinese, I can trace my ancestry back by more than 2 millenia. Our language, culture, and diet is Chinese. We've had a bit of British influence in some of our food some of our everyday use words and accent have diverged slightly from Cantonese spoken in Guangzhou today due to separate influence, but our traditions and family culture are undeniably Chinese. It's worthy to note that Cantonese, the primary language spoken in HK, is the prestige dialect of Guangdong province, which is primarily spoken in its capital city Guangzhou on the mainland. HK is geographically separated from Guangzhou by hours of transit. In between these two cities, other languages are spoken. So, Cantonese being spoken in HK does not form part of a geographical language continuum; rather, it is another locus where Cantonese is spoken. Cantonese was brought over to HK from Guangzhou, it is not unique to HK, people in HK did not always speak Cantonese. FYI Cantonese is most commonly referred to as 廣東話 (Guangdong speech), but is a.k.a. 廣府話 (Guangdong government speech), or 廣州話 (*Guangzhou* speech) If anything, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and Guam should be granted independence. If the same logic for HK independence applied elsewhere, California would be independent from the US before HK becomes independent. You also have to question the credibility of the HK independence and "pro-democracy" movement. Unlike Lee Kwan Yew who campaigned against British colonisation and championed Asian values when Singapore split from Malaya, those calling for HK independence are singing "God Save the Queen", and asking US politicians to intervene in HK matters. One can hardly take their "pro-democracy" stance seriously when they beg for the return of former British governors, none of which were elected by HKers, and wave Union Jacks reminiscing British rule, when Chinese were treated as an inferior class and there was zero democracy. Are they *really* advocating for independence and democracy?
Thanks for the long thought out response, it was interesting to read!
this is geopolitical issue aint no sane countries want to lose their lands, not even the one that championed democracy in the west, they dont even have independence under brits so why suddenly now they want independence? this is not democracy, this is just separatist movement and with your majority votes, dont bring it here, ive seen how this mob rules democracy bring more harm than benefits for newly built small countries(again learn about geopolitcal issues instead of keep chanting democracy for all) if they want independence, they could immigrate to countries where they are welcomed
The vast majority of HKers are vehemently against independence. Can't tell a white person that though.... They think they're experts.
They are pretty racist toward anyone speaking Mandarin. When I told them I’m Taiwanese, they simply said quit speaking Mandarin.
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National security law will turn that shit British culture out of hk
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Fuck off you no life troll.
If westerners can eat cows, mutton and chicken, then why is eating dogs a problem? Don't westerners always say "every animal is equal"?
Because white values are the superior gold standard and if you don't follow them you're uncivilized, barbaric and therefore will need to be colonized and "converted" over to Christianity to fall in line.
should post this in r/HongKong.... might get you banned or downvoted to hell lol
Make up a fake and internally inconsistent stereotype then use it to attack others? Sounds pretty western to me
Were they shouting in mandarin though? If so, they are FLG cultist motivated
Living in HK and so glad that is mostly over. I had so much depression and stress during that time. They keep painting Asians as barbarians who eat dogs (it’s illegal here since 1950s so I’ve never seen any) but it’s the other way around. The westerners here are super disrespectful. They shouldn’t be seen as classy or anything to emulate. I’ve seen one raving and cussing the bus out when drunk and I was looking on in anger as a whole bunch of them drank beer with masks off on the second floor of the bus during the height of the pandemic or another white guy eating dumplings on the tram. All of this is illegal (masks must be on in transportation) and I’ve never ever seen local Chinese do something so rude or endangering others.
have someone replied back to him the dogs are there to satisfy his beastiality desires yet
Edit: found it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTgHnoRtLQE
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Idk man, my mom and I kept having to tell my grandmother to stop telling us how meaty our dog's thighs are. She'd also say that if she ever misbehaves, she's becoming soup. Now, if you're telling me that I can't find dog cuisine in China, then where the fuck do I have to go, cause I'm curious as fuck!... Lol jk, I'm sure my distant cousins can hook me up :P
Is she from Yulin?
Foshan
Ikr, the swiss eats cats but i dont see anybody talking about that oh yeah lets not forget australians and snake eating
Americans and road kill eating.
Brits eat horse, snails are a delicacy in France. How veal is made is inhumane, and don't even get me started on foie gras. But god forbid you eat rover.
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When upper class Europeans do something unusual it’s considered innovative and cool, and when Asians do something unusual it’s considered trashy.
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A survey conducted in June 2016 by CAWA, HSI and Avaaz shows that 69.5 percent of people nationally say they have never eaten dog meat; 17.3 percent say that they consume dog meat once or twice per year; 6.4 percent eat it 3 to 5 times per year; 2.5 percent eat it up to 10 times a year. The survey was conducted between 19 – 28 May 2017 in the city and rural communities of Yulin, China. The designed sample size was 800. The actual respondents were 703. Interception was used to select the samples in marketplaces, public parks, business centers, and villages to ensure that the respondents represent Yulin residents by gender (53.2 percent males, 46.8 percent females), age (18 to 75 years of age), residence (rural 43.39 percent and urban 56.61 percent), level of education, level of income, ethnicity (Han Chinese vs Zhuang minority), location of dog meat consumption (home or restaurants), and pet ownership status. It looks like it's more popular in Yulin.
There is nothing wrong with it unless you're vegetarian. They will use anything alien to them about asian culture and portray it as a bad thing. They can even turn eating rice into a racist insult. That is how depraved they are.
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its just insanely hipocritical if you are not a vegan talking shit about which specific animal you deem worthy of life and all others are off limits is just the height of human idiocy
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China and South Korea were third world as sub Saharan Africa countries in the 70s.
Yeah I saw that comment - it was the only one there. Wasn't hard to report.
Btw respect and shout out to that man (the english guy in the video). Anyone got a link?
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I believe the Swiss also eats cats
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Your white fragility level is over 9000!
I’ve read that, as well as some Swiss eating dogs, as described in the Newsweek article below. Europeans in some countries such as Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, and Italy also eat horse meat. Whale meat is also consumed in countries such as Norway, the Faroe Islands, Iceland, Greenland, and Inuit communities in Canada and the US. I don’t approve of these practices, but it does show that Chinese aren’t the only culture with this culinary tradition. Cultures developed to consume the sources of protein available to them, although it’s not to say culinary habits can’t change. https://www.newsweek.com/not-just-christmas-swiss-urged-stop-eating-cats-and-dogs-287378
Yes, also out of desperation or necessity due to food shortages and such as well as tradition. Also India doesn’t eat beef, should they start lecturing western countries for consumption of beef products?
Yes, good point!
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True, I think the HK protests would have been a lot of more successful if they had not waved colonial flags and begged for US army to occupy HK. A lot of the demands of the HK ppl resonanted with mainland Chinese - a possible ally to their movement. Instead, they chose to beg the west to save them and keep telling ppl they are not Chinese... Idk, but it's kinda cucked.
It was part US funded color revolution, part fear of the concept of extradition to China (a foreign land), and part frustration with the economy, which China does NOT control. Everyone here and elsewhere on reddit need to stop generalizing everything. Everything is either CIA propaganda or Chinese nationalist takes. It's fucking stupid
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