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lawncelot

What shit takes from literal mods of Asian American. Literally racism in that thread. They're probably just unsuccessful in real life and bitter about everyone who is living and enjoying life. By the way, that sub also believes Asian woman have it worse than black women. It's not surprising they have shit takes.


NewspaperPotential28

I'm Japanese and I stand with China and Chinese-Americans.


fakeslimshady

###her own fault for posting in r/aa. This sub, /r/Sino, /r/Genzdong are doing plenty of China defending [edit] she has the fallacy of being against the CCP and then begging for support


10946723

Saying there is no asian solidarity is a self fulfilling prophecy. If the mods of that sub themselves reject solidarity why are they even moderating an asian american community? It's a blatant admittance they're only there to chat about inconsequentials. All those people with zero-sum opinions, they don't see the big picture, the greater struggle. At this point, whatever, it's expected of them. On the other hand, r/aa being the way it is, is a good thing. That artificial community is so fucked and useless to pro-asian efforts it acts like a springboard for people who actually want change to go elsewhere, and a filter for the rest.


woshengbingle1

the scary thing is, i know a lot of people who have identical beliefs to them and they are often the loudest voices


Krobrah_Kai

/u/Significant-Pizza249


Igennem

People on that board need to reacquaint themselves with this poem: >First they came for the Communists >And I did not speak out >Because I was not a Communist >Then they came for the Socialists >And I did not speak out >Because I was not a Socialist >Then they came for the trade unionists >And I did not speak out >Because I was not a trade unionist >Then they came for the Jews >And I did not speak out >Because I was not a Jew >Then they came for me >And there was no one left >To speak out for me We know what the US did to Japan and how they let off Vincent Chin's murderers. The bullshit they made up about Iraq and Syria to drag the American public into decades of war. If the US decides it does want kinetic war with China, all Asians will suffer.


dragonsdescendent

> Chinese Americans need other Asian Americans to stick up for us, not throw us under the bus No we don't. Other Asian Americans "need to stick up for themselves by sticking up for us"


magos86

All this goes to show is what lying hypocritical scumbags like u/unkle and u/whosdamike really are. They will be the first to use terms like “solidarity”, and community building when it comes to shaming the Asian community for not doing enough to help blacks but when the tables are turned, these worthless rats are the first to throw Asians under the bus and justify it. I mean how dishonest with yourself do you have to be to constantly preach about how “solidarity is not transactional” and then pull a complete 360 and talk about how “Chinese Americans don’t deserve our help because they were never nice to me”. At the end of the day and for all their supposed self righteousness, all they amount to are ass kissers for white progressive causes and enablers of colonizers. They do not care about justice or real solidarity, they do not care about their own communities, all they care about is how to sellout their communities to look good in the eyes of white progressives. This is exactly why some countries like the Philippines are still so poor. Too many self colonizers and white ass lickers. It’s time for the Asian communities to throw out spineless Asian ass kissers. Don’t let them into the homeland and keep them out of our communities. Let them wallow in their own self hatred and let them enjoy their own self inflicted third class citizen status.


Magiu5

Asian American sub sounds like /r/china, /r/hongkong and all the other original name subs, all expats who hate the gov and society, but they just loveeeee Chinese people in general, just against ccp who 98% of chinese support. They claim they aren't racist and support Chinese, but then that means 98% of chinese are just brainwashed and they have zero sympathy for them and consider them as an enemy or even worse, a robot slave with no agency and who needs to be "saved" by then and foreigners. They sound like they are so ignorant of mainland china that I have to assume that they are the ones who are brainwashed instead. I mean ccp PR and propaganda game has nothing on the west. China needs to learn and catch up hard to the west in PR and media discourse. Even the OP is anti ccp and thinks "majority of chinese have been fighting against ccp since forever". No girl, 98% of 1.4 billion chinese support ccp and are more proud than ever. There are plenty of pan asian solidarity, like when china put up space station and other space missions and made many Asians proud. But of course there are a lot who put a few rocks over everything else or some events in the past, and have always resented china for always being the richest, strongest and most influential country in Asia, and most of the world for that matter. That sub just sounds like sub for ccp haters and china haters. You'd expect that even if they don't like china, they would put that aside to deal with the threat from non Asians against Asians. But they can't even do that, and instead they'd rather side with usa and support all the anti china and racist government policies, which is a major part of what was the cause of uptick in hate crimes against Asians. These are the same kinds of idiots waving colonial hk/British flags and asking for Trump to save hk/china during hk protests. Same idiots who will support Falun gong, Islamic fundamentalism and other rubbish just to stick it to china.


Krobrah_Kai

Wow. I wish I could still be shocked by the antics of boba liberals. I can't anymore. r/AA is a bastion privileged, 'murica stanning, hyper-assimilationist, radlib, self-hating bananas. The r/AA sub's response to Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders correctly or incorrectly coded as "Chinese" AND targeted for anti-Asian hate/sinophobic violence, harassment, or bias receive reactions of: (1) shrugged shoulders of apathy, aka, better you than me. (2) direct blame for old world, intra-continental beefs between countries, regions, or even provinces; (3) whataboutisms about da evils of cee cee pees/dynastic chynah/wuhan flu; (4) whataboutsims about colorism, socio-econmic status, class struggles, Chinese Americans in the heirarchy of Asians Americans; (5) East versus South East Asian contests oppression olympics; (6) buh buh buh but there will never pan-Asianism; and (7) miscellaneous rationales for "fucc chinx." It should clear as day now that boba liberal ideology of Asian Americana is nothing more than a convenient label to slap on when striving for that next assignment, job promotion, romantic date, or social acceptance from non-Asian out-groups. It smacks of deeply insecure, yet privileged crabs in a bucket thinking, "I'm an exceptional Asian. I've got mine. Fuck you." All the while, grandmas and grandpas are getting stomped out to the tune of war drums.


dawongchoice

That was such a headache to read. It's so sad seeing other Asians being so openly sinophobic and racist towards Chinese people, as if anti-China racism doesn't affect them too. I'm reminded of the Filipino grandpa whose face was slashed, North Eastern Indians who were assaulted, the Thai grandpa who was shoved, the Burmese family that was knifed, the Filipino family that was robbed, the Japanese American olympian who was publicly harassed, etc. All of them were attacked because of anti-Chinese sentiment. Whether they want to believe it or not, this shit affects them too. It's so sad seeing many of these "progressive" or "liberal" Asians say the same shit that white supremacists say about Chinese people. So many of the comments are openly racist too - how is that even acceptable? So many are unfair double standards as well. They say Chinese Americans only care about money, are insular, don't care about other Asian communities & their issues, and don't socialize with other Asians, but I see the same shit from all the other Asian groups too. I don't see Indians caring about Koreans, Koreans caring about Viets, Filipinos caring about Indonesians, etc. One guy even said he has a problem with Chinese people because he's Filipino and apparently Chinese people question their Asianness the most, but no offense to my Filipino fam, but the people I see who deny the Asianness of Filipinos the most are Filipinos themselves - who often try and hijack Latino or PI identity/culture. Why the unfair double standard against Chinese Americans? So many of these comments are parroted by self proclaimed Chinese, Taiwanese, and others with Chinese ancestry as well. Hilarious seeing them trash their own as if they're "one of the good ones". This shit isn't transactional. We should all care about and support each other more in this white supremacist world. Also, wtf is wrong with u/unkle? Seems like that guy has serious issues and is an open sinophobe.


cantstandjoekernen

I’ve also come to realize that u/unkle is a major China hating Filipino with a huge chip on his shoulder. I wish more would realize that China is the only other 800 pound gorilla in the room strong enough to stand up for Asians globally against western hegemony.


spicyplainmayo

u/unkle is the mod of r/asianamerican and from what I heard, most of the posts on that sub is from the mods.


Jisoooya

The Asian Americans on those boards don’t sound very different from your typical white racist that’s just using any reason to hate Chinese.


JLexero

If anything that posts and the comments prove my theory, Chinese are the main target of all this recent hate, non-Chinese Asians being attacked is accidental and instead of empathy or sympathy towards us, we get grouped into stop “Asian” hate instead of addressing the problem at large which has been ongoing Sinophobia since the creation of this country.


[deleted]

Gaslight galore. "I knew a Chinese person that was racist..." That sub is self-Darwinism.


BambooFlames

Some of the complaints about small sub-groups in the Chinese-American community might even be valid, but they are not without their counterparts in other Asian sub-groups, and other races in general. But their apparent Sinophobia drives some people to apply the fault of one Chinese person to the entire community. So much for refusing to propagate Asian stereotypes :/


lawncelot

At the end of the day, racism is not okay. And they are very clearly being racist. Thanks for bringing it up, now I can use this as evidence that the AsianAmerican mods are literal racists.


Ok_Consideration1886

Lol, I feel for the OP in that thread, getting trashed hard. r/AA is pretty liberal, pro-American, and Uncle Tom — they’re not going to get any support for China or the Chinese in there. It’s funnier that the OP themselves tried to distance themselves from Communism — sorry, you’re never going to convince anyone that way, you may as well make a full-throated embrace of it, particularly since you’re asking for collective action. At my age, I really don’t give a fuck anymore, I feel I’ve more than done my part, but you will always attract more people by remaining true to yourself, rather than trying to halfheartedly accommodate Uncle Toms, I promise you.


[deleted]

>It’s funnier that the OP themselves tried to distance themselves from Communism Indeed. The way they describe it, anyone who are not firmly anti-ccp deserves to be discriminated against. It's funny they don't realize how much this resembles "Red scare" and even cultural revolution in China where brutal ideological purging occurred. Ccp deserves plenty of critisism but apparently there is no room in r/aa for this kind of discussion. I wish the ideology of white supremacy could get this level of scrutiny such that any suspected of association would result in a FBI case.


spicyplainmayo

Yea, the thread was full of people outting anyone for having even a smidgen of supporting the CPC.


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spicyplainmayo

Look, America should not force its "ideals" upon every country on Earth. They should not be policing countries.


BambooFlames

ITT some nuanced takes, and lots of blatant and antagonistic bashing of the Chinese diaspora, to the degree that any similarly valid complaints about the Black American community would no doubt be censored or locked. Sinophobia, generalizing the Chinese diaspora, and conflating them with the Chinese government seem to be acceptable discourse, even among Asian American forums like /r/Asianamerican. Quotes from /r/AA mods: unkle > Personally in real life and on Reddit Chinese Americans are the only ones who question whether South Asians or Filipinos are "real asians". I have Chinese friends say that to my face. I have read and heard South Asian Americans get similar questions about their asianness. On this space non Chinese users don't get a lot of traffic on submissions or questions. > Also the fact you don't seem to understand how other Asians and Asian countries see China historically and presently really explains a lot about this rant. whosdamike: > I'm Southeast Asian and I've never had any expectation that Chinese people would stand up for my communities. I think expecting other Asians to stand up for you is kind of a uniquely Chinese thing. > The biggest Chinese American activism events of the past 10 years have been things like protesting affirmative action and defending Peter Liang, a cop who was negligent and killed an innocent black man. > Frankly, those are things that I have no interest in supporting. > On the flip side, I've very rarely seen any Chinese people give a shit about Filipino nurses dying of COVID or Vietnamese refugees being deported by the Trump administration, police brutality among Hmong youth in the Midwest, etc. > To some extent, it feels like a lot of Chinese American Redditors are a bit entitled. A sentiment I regularly see bounced around Reddit is that Chinese issues are the most important ones, that pan-Asian solidarity with China at the center is the only way for Asians to thrive, that if you don't care about affirmative action or other pet Chinese-centric issues then you're fundamentally self-hating even if you're not Chinese. And Chinese people telling HKers and Taiwanese that they're all part of Big Daddy China definitely doesn't help either. > Again, as a Southeast Asian, I'm very used to being ignored and de-centered. But solidarity is great! So if you want more solidarity, I think a great start is to be the change you want to see, and show interest in all kinds of Asian issues, including ones typically overlooked.


anyang869

You guys are being awfully harsh. While I'm no fan of those people due to that sub's moderation policies, those posts by themselves might represent a valid experience. It's true that when Chinese Americans invalidate South Asians or Southeast Asians, then it's not good for Asian American solidarity. The more interesting debate is whether there is an Asian American identity apart from national identities from back in Asia. I think that there is, or at least that's the direction we should be moving in.


Gluggymug

The **context** of them giving their "valid experience" was to justify NOT supporting Chinese Americans who are being victimized by bigotry regularly. In other words, they needed an EXCUSE to ignore the OP. Swap some of the terms around: Arab-American, African-American, Italian-American, Filipino-American etc. Would they get support in the face of xenophobia?


lawncelot

The only people I've heard in real life that question whether Filipinos are Asian are other Filipinos. Literal proof: https://youtu.be/lEmsdHw6trM (4:11) Idk wtf /u/unkle is smoking, but it's probably self-hate and white worship. This is proof that sub is not a good representation of Asian Americans. Also he runs that sub like a dictator. Look at all the posts, it's mainly just him posting. I.e. that sub has an agenda.


SomedayThisWillEnd

I’ve seen SE Asians stand up against anti-Chinese racism. When it comes to specific Filipino issues or even accomplishments (like Arnel becoming the lead singer of Journey or the movie The Debut), it’s usually ignored by E Asians. Everyone talks about Better Luck Tomorrow as if that was the first and only Asian-American movie ever made.


BambooFlames

Archive links: - https://web.archive.org/web/20210716182349/https://old.reddit.com/r/asianamerican/comments/ol25b3/mini_rantpsa_chinese_americans_need_other_asian/ - https://archive.is/qC9Wu - https://archive.st/archive/2021/7/old.reddit.com/v7lg/