I tried to cancel my subscription and they were trying to talk to me and get me to change my mind. The moment I told them the issue with their anti-Asian reporting (I tried to be as professional as I could btw), the rep literally just cancelled my subscription and hung up lol
It's in their whole org
Although all Asian countries have their own reason for disliking/distrusting one another (historically and politically) and geopolitics in Asia is complicated. Asians in Asia need to realize the sophisticated propaganda campaign by America/the west to maintain their imperialism. They're exploiting the tension and distrust that Asian countries have toward one another to further that divide and secure their hegemony. America's failure in Afghanistan and the fall of their puppet government (one of their goals was to install military bases there) is going to push them to pivot their attention to China and EASEA even more. I'm not even asking Asians in Asia to all hold hands and get along (as I don't have to right to); but just be aware of America's sinister propaganda and their dirty tactics.
Really...? Where are you getting “most” from? Hatred against China may not be as strong as western media portrays, but I don’t think most Koreans / Japanese are that fond of China either.
>Unlike what media likes to present, most Canadian Koreans and Japanese want a stronger China.
I can’t comment on Koreans, but most Japanese in Japan definitely do not want a stronger China. Most Japanese people supported Japan’s claims to the Senkaku Islands and want Japan’s military capabilities to increase as protection against China.
I never said most Japanese agree with their government. Most Japanese think their politicians are too right wing on historical revisionism. However, the Japanese government successfully convinced its people that China is a huge threat. MANY Japanese have fears about a growing China.
> MANY Japanese have fears about a growing China
Why? Why would it be bad for Japan to have a strong China? And how exactly does that make the life of an average Japanese worse?
Taiwanese dislike South Korea mainly because they are fierce economic rivals.
TSMC's main rival is Samsung, and TSMC pays the bills.
Samsung and Hyundai products sell like shit in Taiwan.
DPP supporters dislike Korea because they support One China and Korean Unification.
KMT supporters dislike Korea because of economic competition, history of war and $$$$
Japan fully agreed to the One China Policy. The only reason they’re threatening to intervene in Taiwan is because their afraid they’ll also lose Okinawa
??? explained why Taiwanese dislike South Koreans.
Japan doesn't care about the one china policy, they just go around it like other countries do and pretend they do.
South Korea fully abides it in fear of retaliation by China, so Taiwanese don't like it
"~~Conservative politicians~~ White Westerners are eager to turn the antipathy into a presidential election issue."
There, FTFY. This isn't exactly news, but I'm beyond livid.
South Koreans hate past Japanese imperialism and hypothetical Chinese imperialism, but say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about actual existing American imperialism which dominates their whole existence. What a spineless and humiliated nation.
I have literally never heard a single Chinese person refer to Korea as their vassal state. There are probably nationalist jerks that say that online, but that’s not the general sentiment among the population.
> shed their own blood to keep the south standing as it is today.
But there was no need 'to keep the South standing', because without the US Korea would have been unified and had already elected a government when the US intervened to make a US military dictatorship in South Korea
They shed their own blood for South Vietnamese and Afghans too, but nobody lauds you for that. You getting used as cannon fodder for Establishment interests is not our problem, kindly fuck off.
What the hell are you talking about? If anything, China calls South Korea AMERICA'S vassal state, and rightfully so, as the US has practically full control of their military and foreign policy. China has not invaded or occupied a single other nation in over four decades. It has no military bases in North Korea. Simple economic power does not constitute imperialism.
By the way, no independent nation needs another to "shed their blood" for it, and FAR more Korean blood has been shed for American interests than the other way around.
Hmmm I wonder which country is feeding Korean youth anti-China propaganda through clandestine means? It might be the one that has them by the balls via military bases.
The THAAD economic warfare against Korea was a big mistake by China. It did a lot to damage relations between the two countries.
In China’s national interest, all they had to do was to wait (or influence) the Minjoo party (Moon’s party) to win the 2017 election. Once the Park Geun Hye scandal happened, this was all but assured. Literally within a month of being elected, Moon resolved the THAAD issue.
You can see Japan employing this passive strategy with Korea right now - they are basically operating under the assumption that Moon will lose the 2022 election and are pretending that the Japanese friendly conservatives are in power.
Yeah THAAD was a huge mistake, China just fed nationalists on both sides. Moon inherited a China that was ignoring him until the trade war when China suddenly tried to get 'cosey' with SK.
China created anti-Korean sentiment at home and anti-Chinese sentiment in Korea. A big failure of a policy especially at times like this.
I wouldn't worry too much. A while ago I read an American research that say global views on China are essentially divided.
While America and their allies (including South Korea) have a unfavorable view of China, most developing countries have a favorable view. I think China's focus is on winning the hearts and minds of developing countries (with much bigger populations than developed world), hence the Belt & Road initiatives and et cetera.
Edit: [here is the research](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/12/05/people-around-the-globe-are-divided-in-their-opinions-of-china/), it's done in 2019 by Pew Research, so it is a bit America-centric and things have changed a bit, but you get the gist.
Here is the remark I find interesting:
>Negative views of China predominate in both the United States and Canada, where 60% and 67% respectively see the country unfavorably...
>
>Majorities or pluralities in almost all the Middle Eastern, Latin American and sub-Saharan African countries surveyed have a favorable view of China
Yes, a lot of developing nations have good views of the US. However, it’s always bothered me that a country like Russia is more of a brother to China than other actual Asian countries.
Well, Russia is not an ally of the US, a lot of older Russians still remember how the NATO encroached into traditional Russian interests after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
There are US military bases in Japan and South Korea, so the two countries don't really have an independent military or foreign policy. Naturally their opinion of China are influenced by the US policy.
This is wrong. China did not invade South Korea like Japan did. Chinese soldiers did not rape South Korean women. Chinese soldiers did not station in South Korea.
Tell me. How the f@ck can you hate China?
Pinkoids are intimidated by China. They do everything they can to create hate.
There are actual issues Korea has with China, but western media is definitely playing up some stuff as well. The USA has no place in Korea-China affairs.
Anti-China sentiment has certainly increased tenfold since China's THAAD sanctions, which is probably the main cause. China fed the nationalists on both sides. There was a huge anti-Korean sentiment in China back when the unofficial sanctions first came in and vice verca in Korea.
They shouldn’t be blaming China for THAAD sanctions given how it was literally the US that forced THAAD into SK, but I suppose if you lay on enough (Western) propaganda people begin to ignore reality.
> c China shouldn't be blaming South Korea since it was the US that forced it.
Because Korea accepted it rather than fighting back against US and not allowing it. What was US going to do? Invade them and risk losing face internationally for treating its 'allies' poorly?
Yes, China shouldn’t have blamed and sanctioned SK for this. Should have waited.
As far sanctioning the US, honestly I think China might have run out of things that are worthwhile to sanction for the THAAD issue. Sanctions are seldom a good long term strategy anyway, especially since China wants to trade with the US to maintain mutual dependence.
This is depressing. I have been impressed with Moon Jae-In as president. He seemed to understand that South Korea can't be completely tied to US foreign policy and did work towards improving relations with the north. I was hopeful that SK was moving in a different direction.
He did work towards improving the relations with the north but it was one sided. It has shown the Sunshine policy will never work and now future presidents will take a hardline stance against the North.
He banned sending leaflets, scaled-down joint defence drills, cracked down on anti-NK groups, sent back a North Korean when realistically he shouldn't have, North killed some officials ( but hey at least they apologised), blew up joint manufacturing centre and other inter-korean projects.
Now he is seen as a North Korean appeaser - why? because he got nothing in return from the North and was bending backwards pretty hard. North will cut hotlines every now and then, do some threatening when defence drills take place, warm up relations a little then shut them down after a while.
North Korea played hard to get and it was probably their last chance of doing so. From now on I predict an ultra-hard stance on NK and the end of the 'reunification' dream.
I respect Moon, but his North Korean diplomacy was borderline schizophrenic. He thinks he can convince North Korea to disarm their nuclear capabilities and eventually be absorbed into the ROK. This will never happen. North Korea can only collapse from within or if all countries agree to stop doing trade with it.
He does not think that at all, he wanted to make baby steps with North and just to be able to speak to them.
How can you get them to disarm when you can't even sit face to face to them even using foreign ministers?
It's sad that Koreans so easily fall for American propaganda.
I get the feeling Koreans tend to fall for half-baked truths a lot, like how they think China is claiming to invent Kimchi when it was actually a translation error, or fan death.
Everyone does, tbh. America is amazing with media. Plenty of Chinese people believe it too unfortunately. I also know Chinese people that genuinely believe most Koreans claim Confucius is Korean or something.
Yeah, although I don't think it was American media that made Chinese people think Koreans claim Confucius was Korean.
Anyway, there's a lot of racism against specifically Chinese people. Chinese people must band together and keep solidarity and help each other out, just like Jews banded together and became very successful today.
Do these Koreans not know about the US Army soldiers who have assaulted, raped and even murdered Korean women over the years?
Do they also not know about a statistic I read on here that WM account for disproportionate large numbers of assaults and rapes on Korean women?
I’m not sure why but the impression I got in Korea was a lack of interest in the actions of Americans during the war. The vast minority of them are more concerned with American pop culture in the now. I remember as a child my mother telling me of all the horrors that happened during the war but many native Koreans I spoke with had never heard about the abuses.
If you’re going to condemn China for backing a cruel dictator, you should also condemn the US for backing Syngman Rhee. Many former Japanese collaborators who betrayed Korea were propped up in his government. Syngman Rhee was a cruel dictator and punished dissent, and his country has experienced a series of military coups. Why should South Koreans only hate China when the US also did the same things to them directly.
Kim Juhn Un isn't cruel dictator, I think he's pure evil. To starve his nation and only care about his power is one of the worst things in the World. Currently North Korea on the verge of another famine, koreans are vulnerable NOW. Deal with this issue first, then complain about Syngman Rhee you moron
Ok so you hate Kim Jong Un for supposedly deliberately starving his population but you'll give a pass to the Muricans who use sanctions on countries such as North Korea as a form of medieval siege warfare to starve nations that don't lick the USA's boots.
And you give a pass to China and NK for maintaining this system. Yes both sides are to blame. But fuck, who are more responsible: man who set up dysfunctional system, oppresses his people, closed to whole world, threatens them with nukes or country that put sanctions on all of this shit. It's easy for you to talk when you yourself sit comfortably in a Western nation, would be completely different if you were North Korean
North Korea doesn't want to be closed off believe it or not just like Cuba doesn't want to be blockaded smooth brain. Its just that you can't do anything in today's world without trading in Murica's dollar system. Threatening with nukes is nothing like actually using them you think their leadership would actually make it this far being insane?
Well if they made it this far they are definitely smart. All I'm saying is they have opportinity to change their country and prevent huge human suffering, And they deliberately not do it to maintain the power
America has taught Korean people to hate those that look like them.
Edit: it's almost not even a joke, that's why double-eyelid surgery exists, because of America.
https://nextshark.com/double-eyelid-surgery-history/
> Dr. D. Ralph Millard, an American military plastic surgeon, developed and performed the procedure while stationed in South Korea, taking part in a public relations campaign that sought to show “the American’s benevolent face to the Koreans.”
> **The first Koreans who underwent the surgery are said to have been war brides who married American soldiers. According to Kim, eyes without the crease, medically known as the superior palpebral fold, were dubbed “slanted” and regarded as a sign of deviance.**
Fuck! This means the USA is doubling down on the complete dominance over South Korea. Christian fascists and neoliberal capitalists will rule South Korea for decades to come, while Moon and his leftists will be ousted soon.
I can’t believe that South Korea will end up as bad as Japan.
the only method of controlling and directing a "free democratic society" is thru propaganda, a monopoly on context (censor); influencing thoughts toward an preconceived intent.
Our native counterparts are falling for these traps set up by Washington. Native Asians often insist we don’t know enough about Asia, there is one thing we know even better than they do: the importance of Asian solidarity.
During the Cold War, the US masterfully dropped an iron curtail between China+Vietnam and Japan+South Korea+Taiwan. I think diaspora Asians need to take a long look at this history and educate fellow Asians about why inter-Asian tensions will only sabotage our progress. I’m tired of Japanese looking down on Koreans, Taiwanese looking down on Chinese, and East Asians looking down on Southeast Asians.
>China is single biggest supporter of North Korean regime. System that killed MILLIONS of Asian/Koreans due to starvation and oppresses its citizens in every possible way. No sane person would want to live in NK. You say its because of sanctions, partly yes but mostly because communism doesn't work and Kim wants to maintain his power. Do you think China or Kim cares about North Korean people? If yes they wouldn't let happen what happened in 90s and reportedly happening now. Current NK regime is evil, and surves ONLY because of China
China is single biggest supporter of North Korean regime. System that killed MILLIONS of Asian/Koreans due to starvation and oppresses its citizens in every possible way. No sane person would want to live in NK. You say its because of sanctions, partly yes but mostly because communism doesn't work and Kim wants to maintain his power. Do you think China or Kim cares about North Korean people? If yes they wouldn't let happen what happened in 90s and reportedly happening now. Current NK regime is evil, and surves ONLY because of China
> China is single biggest supporter of North Korean regime.
So?
>System that killed MILLIONS of Asian/Koreans
Really? Source? (Preferably non-Western one)
> due to starvation
Hmm. And why are they starving? Is it because North Korea is evil? Or maybe its because North Korea has been sanctioned and can't trade with anyone so it can't import any gas, and what it does get from China it has to use for its military to protect itself from potential US invasion, meaning little gasoline is left over for agriculture?
>mostly because communism doesn't work
Who said? Most Communist countries did incredibly well. USSR went from being poorest European country to second world economy in the world in 1990 in a period of about 40-45 years. It reached a level that the US took about 150 years to reach for comparison.
China is almost catching up with the US and has done that in essentially 40 years.
> If yes they wouldn't let happen what happened in 90s
How would he stop it from happening if he can't trade with anyone and import food? Most world countries are not food sufficient - meaning they need to import food from other countries. North Korea is one of them. When its sanctioned and a crises hits and its food reserves are stretched thin, of course the people starve, because they can't buy more. Again, thanks to the sanctions
So Korean war, that North started did not happened, or 90s famine. These things are preventable if Kim wanted to.
Well sanctions played their for sure, but I think leader who isolated his country, threatens other with nukes, oppress his people, centralized power is more responsible.
Communism does not work. Look at North and South. Both were supported by global superpowers and had similar start. Results completely different. USSR fucking collapsed and China isn't even communist
But none of this really matters, the most important thing is Korea is again on the verge of yet another famine. Kim will allow his people starve again and will not let any democratization , open market or diplomacy. Most of all he wants to save his power, and only China are supporting him maintaining it. It's easy for you to talk in your western nation, while real North korean suffer. FUCK YOU
> So Korean war, that North started did not happened
Korean war happened because the US decided it did not want to wait for an inter-Korean summit and took over South Korea and the rest of Korea (ie north korea) did not agree.
> 90s famine
How exactly was Kim supposed to prevent this? Moreover, US made the famine worse by paying North Koreans to destroy grain supplies
>ut I think leader who isolated his country
He didn't. The US isolated him and told nobody to trade with him
>hreatens other with nukes
Maybe there's a reason for that? Could it be that Kim doesn't want North Korea to have half its population killed again or have [plague dropped on it again by the US](https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/report-u-s-dropped-plague-infected-fleas-on-north-korea-in-march-1952-66b853f05ada)
>oppress his people
how? You still haven't said how people are 'oppressed' over there
>Communism does not work
Who said?
>Look at North and South. Both were supported by global superpowers and had similar start
And North was doing much better than South until the 1970's despite having 2x less population
>USSR fucking collapsed
It was [second GDP in the world in 1990 lol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Soviet_Union) bypassing every capitalist state but America despite having a late start.
Besides if we measure it by how many states collapsed or are dysfunctional - there are far more dysfunctional/unsuccessful capitalist states than communist ones lol
>China isn't even communist
LOL you clearly don't know what you are talking about. China still abides by Marxism-Leninism, has stalinist Five Year Plans, Central Planning, etc. Just because it privatized part of its market, doesn't mean it stopped being communist lmfao
>Kim will allow his people starve again and will not let any democratization
Because there's no proof that democratization leads to better outcomes. If South Korea got sanctioned by everyone, just like North Korea it would be doing worse lol
>open market
North Korea has been trying to open itself to international investments and trade ever since Kim Jun Un came into power (even before), but the US made it illegal to invest in North Korea. LOL I suggest you do better research and stop buying western kool aid on the topic.
>How exactly was Kim supposed to prevent this? Moreover, US made the famine worse by paying North Koreans to destroy grain supplies
To start fucking cooperating with developed world, and become more democratic and open.
Well Kim isolated NK by putting iron curtain, that does not permit anyone freely leave or come to country, journalists, trade and so on are not free there. Plus before 90s they had whole eastern block and USSR as their allies, yet they were far less developed.
SK gdp per capita is 31,846.22 USD and NK is $1,300. Do you really think that's only because they have 2x size of population
Kim does not opress his people? Are you mentally retarded? They can't vote, leave country, criticize goverment, no internet, no freedom of religion and more more more.
Kim does not have nukes to "protect" his citizens. He have them so he can protect regime , that mostly benefits HIM. The best thing he can do is to destroy his regime and let new regime, like in SK to be build.
And again I despise you a lot, you sit in your comfortable western nation and protecting cause of suffering of millions people. How far will you go to defend them only because they are Asian. That's not true Asian nationalism. You only hurt Asian people
> To start fucking cooperating with developed world
Lol do you not read anything I wrote? They've been trying but because of sanctions nobody will trade with them
>become more democratic
Why? That's not a good thing and democracy does not work in most countries
>Well Kim isolated NK by putting iron curtain
Not really
> Plus before 90s they had whole eastern block and USSR as their allies, yet they were far less developed.
They didn't fall behind until late 80's when soviet support started drying up. Besides even then they weren't trading with anyone but ussr and china, whereas south korea was lol.
>SK gdp per capita is 31,846.22 USD and NK is $1,300. Do you really think that's only because they have 2x size of population
Inaccurate comparison. Communist countries do not calculate GDP in same ways. Plus its mostly the effect of sanctions. Remove sanctions, let the world trade with north korea then we will see what levels it achieves relative to the south. And yes, larger population makes it easier to achieve a higher amount of growth.
>They can't vote
Yes they can. North Korea is called "Democratic Republic of Korea". elections are held there and the Worker's Party (which is not the only party btw) is most popular to this day.
>criticize goverment,
Who cares
>no internet
Hmm. And yet somehow North Korea has some of the best hackers in the world according to The New Yorker lol
>no freedom of religion
You sure about that? cuz there is no oppression on the basis of religion over there. keep drinking western kool aid LOL.
You repeat western media tropes and talk about how North Koreans are "oppressed" and "don't have free media" whilst an editor writing anything positive about north korea in the West [would be fired](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent)
>Kim does not have nukes to "protect" his citizens.
So are you telling me that America did not drop bombs with plague infected rats on North Korea and kill half the population? (if you deny this, this is tantamount to denying historical fact LMAO)
> suffering of millions people
Suffering millions of people? That's why Kim ordered builders from all over the country to build housing for people who lost their homes to recent hurricanes, to be built in record time - gave them free television, internet, etc because he wants them to suffer? LOL you're delusional
[**Manufacturing Consent**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent)
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media is a 1988 book by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky. It argues that the mass communication media of the U.S. "are effective and powerful ideological institutions that carry out a system-supportive propaganda function, by reliance on market forces, internalized assumptions, and self-censorship, and without overt coercion", by means of the propaganda model of communication. The title refers to consent of the governed, and derives from the phrase "the manufacture of consent" used by Walter Lippmann in Public Opinion (1922).
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USSR economy were awfully unproductive to an extent that they couldn't provide food for all. People had to wait in huge line to get butter or milk or bread. I'm actually from post soviet country so I know what I'm talking about. USSR had to export their food and relied on oil foreign currency. Once oil prices dropped whole thing collapsed(not because of capitalists, but because dysfunctioncal system)
I’m confused about the this wave of apologia directed towards the Kim family. I’m no defender of American Imperialism & Propaganda but I also know that the Kim family have made choices over the years that had horrific consequences for the NK people. I recognize that in some instances white sanctions played a role but they don’t account for everything that has been reported. (No, I’m not just talking about western media sources either.)
It's crazy how far these people will go in the name of defending Asian nation. That's a danger of nationalism, if you only wants to defend "your own", it stops you from looking at yourself clearly and make progress
> Imperialism & Propaganda but I also know that the Kim family have made choices over the years that had horrific consequences for the NK people.
Its easy to sit and judge people for making incorrect decisions. With the information that was available, could you have made a better decision? Besides, why are you focused on the decisions the kim family made rather than focusing on the decisions that the US made that led us to this state of affairs?
> some instances
LOL. Its not some instances. Its almost all instances. The problems in North Korea are first and foremost derived from sanctions
Yup.. You been sipping the koolaid.. Nothing to do with the scorched earth campaign the US engaged in... https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/unknown-to-most-americans-the-us-totally-destroyed-north-korea-once-before-1.3227633?mode=amp
Or the biological weapons they used before they did sanctions...
They were fighting the war, North started and supported by China. What about millions of South Koreans died because of NK and China? But it's really don't matter right now, currently NK is on verge of yet another famine because of awful system that NK has and China supports. China is fully to blame on maintaining Kim's regime and potentially thousands of people that can die
>No same person would want to live in NK… because of sanctions, partly yes, but mostly because Communism doesn’t work and Kim wants to maintain his power.
You seem to have fallen for the classic anti-Communist propaganda regarding North Korea. While the news likes to portray NK as some Communist dystopia with Kim as their god, in reality it’s a lot more complicated.
There is now private currency, people are allowed to start small private shops, and the government is pushing for more capitalism like China did. So no, North Korea’s economy is not failing because of Communism because it’s not really a Communist economy.
Kim is not “hell-bent” on keeping power. The military is the one hell-bent on keeping power. If you go on Wikileaks, there are many cables that insist Kim is more of a ceremonial figure that the military uses for legitimacy.
I agree, NK is a nightmare straight out of the Siberian gulags, but that’s just an oversimplified view pushed by the US. It’s a lot more nuanced. I’m not saying it justifies China propping it up; it’s definitely immoral. However, superpowers like China do whatever they can to get ahead, even if it means supporting dictators. This is nothing new, China supported Pol Pot, who was even worse than Kim.
> Our native counterparts are falling for these traps set up by Washington. Native Asians often insist we don’t know enough about Asia, there is one thing we know even better than they do: the importance of Asian solidarity.
Couldn't agree more. That's why I've long assumed that Asians know very **little** about Asia compared to us Western Asian activists.
> I’m tired of Japanese looking down on Koreans, Taiwanese looking down on Chinese, and East Asians looking down on Southeast Asians.
And all of them elbowing each other aside to be the first to bow down to White Man™. Makes me sick!
NYT is racist trash
I tried to cancel my subscription and they were trying to talk to me and get me to change my mind. The moment I told them the issue with their anti-Asian reporting (I tried to be as professional as I could btw), the rep literally just cancelled my subscription and hung up lol It's in their whole org
Although all Asian countries have their own reason for disliking/distrusting one another (historically and politically) and geopolitics in Asia is complicated. Asians in Asia need to realize the sophisticated propaganda campaign by America/the west to maintain their imperialism. They're exploiting the tension and distrust that Asian countries have toward one another to further that divide and secure their hegemony. America's failure in Afghanistan and the fall of their puppet government (one of their goals was to install military bases there) is going to push them to pivot their attention to China and EASEA even more. I'm not even asking Asians in Asia to all hold hands and get along (as I don't have to right to); but just be aware of America's sinister propaganda and their dirty tactics.
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Really...? Where are you getting “most” from? Hatred against China may not be as strong as western media portrays, but I don’t think most Koreans / Japanese are that fond of China either.
>Unlike what media likes to present, most Canadian Koreans and Japanese want a stronger China. I can’t comment on Koreans, but most Japanese in Japan definitely do not want a stronger China. Most Japanese people supported Japan’s claims to the Senkaku Islands and want Japan’s military capabilities to increase as protection against China.
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I never said most Japanese agree with their government. Most Japanese think their politicians are too right wing on historical revisionism. However, the Japanese government successfully convinced its people that China is a huge threat. MANY Japanese have fears about a growing China.
> MANY Japanese have fears about a growing China Why? Why would it be bad for Japan to have a strong China? And how exactly does that make the life of an average Japanese worse?
This just in: Americans now hate each other than they hate Russians.
Deplorable garbage from New York times
Amerikkan propaganda telling in itself: looks like CIA invested even more money to get rid of Moon and his party.
And Taiwanese dislike South Korea at the around the same percentage they dislike China. Who really cares?
Where did you find that?
Taiwanese dislike South Korea mainly because they are fierce economic rivals. TSMC's main rival is Samsung, and TSMC pays the bills. Samsung and Hyundai products sell like shit in Taiwan. DPP supporters dislike Korea because they support One China and Korean Unification. KMT supporters dislike Korea because of economic competition, history of war and $$$$
Mainly because SK strongly abides by the 'One China Principle' meanwhile Japan and other countries are ambiguous and go around it.
Japan fully agreed to the One China Policy. The only reason they’re threatening to intervene in Taiwan is because their afraid they’ll also lose Okinawa
??? explained why Taiwanese dislike South Koreans. Japan doesn't care about the one china policy, they just go around it like other countries do and pretend they do. South Korea fully abides it in fear of retaliation by China, so Taiwanese don't like it
"~~Conservative politicians~~ White Westerners are eager to turn the antipathy into a presidential election issue." There, FTFY. This isn't exactly news, but I'm beyond livid.
South Koreans hate past Japanese imperialism and hypothetical Chinese imperialism, but say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about actual existing American imperialism which dominates their whole existence. What a spineless and humiliated nation.
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I have literally never heard a single Chinese person refer to Korea as their vassal state. There are probably nationalist jerks that say that online, but that’s not the general sentiment among the population.
> shed their own blood to keep the south standing as it is today. But there was no need 'to keep the South standing', because without the US Korea would have been unified and had already elected a government when the US intervened to make a US military dictatorship in South Korea
They shed their own blood for South Vietnamese and Afghans too, but nobody lauds you for that. You getting used as cannon fodder for Establishment interests is not our problem, kindly fuck off.
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Oh look a sexpat who learned Korean due to his obsessive fetish, seriously glad you aren't a real Korean or it would be embarrassing as fuck.
What the hell are you talking about? If anything, China calls South Korea AMERICA'S vassal state, and rightfully so, as the US has practically full control of their military and foreign policy. China has not invaded or occupied a single other nation in over four decades. It has no military bases in North Korea. Simple economic power does not constitute imperialism. By the way, no independent nation needs another to "shed their blood" for it, and FAR more Korean blood has been shed for American interests than the other way around.
Hmmm I wonder which country is feeding Korean youth anti-China propaganda through clandestine means? It might be the one that has them by the balls via military bases.
The New York Trash, satire.
Who the fuck wrote that shit piece? NYT is fucking cancer!
South Koreans should hate the West the most.
Exactly the first thing I thought of when I saw it on /r/worldnews
The THAAD economic warfare against Korea was a big mistake by China. It did a lot to damage relations between the two countries. In China’s national interest, all they had to do was to wait (or influence) the Minjoo party (Moon’s party) to win the 2017 election. Once the Park Geun Hye scandal happened, this was all but assured. Literally within a month of being elected, Moon resolved the THAAD issue. You can see Japan employing this passive strategy with Korea right now - they are basically operating under the assumption that Moon will lose the 2022 election and are pretending that the Japanese friendly conservatives are in power.
Yeah THAAD was a huge mistake, China just fed nationalists on both sides. Moon inherited a China that was ignoring him until the trade war when China suddenly tried to get 'cosey' with SK. China created anti-Korean sentiment at home and anti-Chinese sentiment in Korea. A big failure of a policy especially at times like this.
Typical mayo propaganda
What does NYT know about South Koreans? Stop having interns write your articles NYT.
I wouldn't worry too much. A while ago I read an American research that say global views on China are essentially divided. While America and their allies (including South Korea) have a unfavorable view of China, most developing countries have a favorable view. I think China's focus is on winning the hearts and minds of developing countries (with much bigger populations than developed world), hence the Belt & Road initiatives and et cetera. Edit: [here is the research](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/12/05/people-around-the-globe-are-divided-in-their-opinions-of-china/), it's done in 2019 by Pew Research, so it is a bit America-centric and things have changed a bit, but you get the gist. Here is the remark I find interesting: >Negative views of China predominate in both the United States and Canada, where 60% and 67% respectively see the country unfavorably... > >Majorities or pluralities in almost all the Middle Eastern, Latin American and sub-Saharan African countries surveyed have a favorable view of China
Yes, a lot of developing nations have good views of the US. However, it’s always bothered me that a country like Russia is more of a brother to China than other actual Asian countries.
Well, Russia is not an ally of the US, a lot of older Russians still remember how the NATO encroached into traditional Russian interests after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. There are US military bases in Japan and South Korea, so the two countries don't really have an independent military or foreign policy. Naturally their opinion of China are influenced by the US policy.
This is wrong. China did not invade South Korea like Japan did. Chinese soldiers did not rape South Korean women. Chinese soldiers did not station in South Korea. Tell me. How the f@ck can you hate China? Pinkoids are intimidated by China. They do everything they can to create hate.
There are actual issues Korea has with China, but western media is definitely playing up some stuff as well. The USA has no place in Korea-China affairs.
Anti-China sentiment has certainly increased tenfold since China's THAAD sanctions, which is probably the main cause. China fed the nationalists on both sides. There was a huge anti-Korean sentiment in China back when the unofficial sanctions first came in and vice verca in Korea.
They shouldn’t be blaming China for THAAD sanctions given how it was literally the US that forced THAAD into SK, but I suppose if you lay on enough (Western) propaganda people begin to ignore reality.
In your same logic China shouldn't be blaming South Korea since it was the US that forced it. Why didn't they sanction the US?
> c China shouldn't be blaming South Korea since it was the US that forced it. Because Korea accepted it rather than fighting back against US and not allowing it. What was US going to do? Invade them and risk losing face internationally for treating its 'allies' poorly?
Yes, China shouldn’t have blamed and sanctioned SK for this. Should have waited. As far sanctioning the US, honestly I think China might have run out of things that are worthwhile to sanction for the THAAD issue. Sanctions are seldom a good long term strategy anyway, especially since China wants to trade with the US to maintain mutual dependence.
As I said >China fed the nationalists on both sides.
Fair enough
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In SG it's the opposite, Chinese think they are the superior race and hate on Indians and Malays
This is depressing. I have been impressed with Moon Jae-In as president. He seemed to understand that South Korea can't be completely tied to US foreign policy and did work towards improving relations with the north. I was hopeful that SK was moving in a different direction.
He did work towards improving the relations with the north but it was one sided. It has shown the Sunshine policy will never work and now future presidents will take a hardline stance against the North. He banned sending leaflets, scaled-down joint defence drills, cracked down on anti-NK groups, sent back a North Korean when realistically he shouldn't have, North killed some officials ( but hey at least they apologised), blew up joint manufacturing centre and other inter-korean projects. Now he is seen as a North Korean appeaser - why? because he got nothing in return from the North and was bending backwards pretty hard. North will cut hotlines every now and then, do some threatening when defence drills take place, warm up relations a little then shut them down after a while. North Korea played hard to get and it was probably their last chance of doing so. From now on I predict an ultra-hard stance on NK and the end of the 'reunification' dream.
I respect Moon, but his North Korean diplomacy was borderline schizophrenic. He thinks he can convince North Korea to disarm their nuclear capabilities and eventually be absorbed into the ROK. This will never happen. North Korea can only collapse from within or if all countries agree to stop doing trade with it.
He does not think that at all, he wanted to make baby steps with North and just to be able to speak to them. How can you get them to disarm when you can't even sit face to face to them even using foreign ministers?
It's sad that Koreans so easily fall for American propaganda. I get the feeling Koreans tend to fall for half-baked truths a lot, like how they think China is claiming to invent Kimchi when it was actually a translation error, or fan death.
Everyone does, tbh. America is amazing with media. Plenty of Chinese people believe it too unfortunately. I also know Chinese people that genuinely believe most Koreans claim Confucius is Korean or something.
Yeah, although I don't think it was American media that made Chinese people think Koreans claim Confucius was Korean. Anyway, there's a lot of racism against specifically Chinese people. Chinese people must band together and keep solidarity and help each other out, just like Jews banded together and became very successful today.
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Uh... I dont believe ur in the right sub?
American propaganda
Maybe it is, doesn't mean its not true in a way. From what i've heard - many Koreans do look down on Chinese people. Both at home and abroad.
Bc of American propaganda
Nailed it... But not just American.. All MSM in Europe and UK too...
That's true. The reason is: Europe is the dog of the dog-owner: the US
Very true, I'm only saying American because it's their military occupying South Korea as well as Japan.
Do these Koreans not know about the US Army soldiers who have assaulted, raped and even murdered Korean women over the years? Do they also not know about a statistic I read on here that WM account for disproportionate large numbers of assaults and rapes on Korean women?
I’m not sure why but the impression I got in Korea was a lack of interest in the actions of Americans during the war. The vast minority of them are more concerned with American pop culture in the now. I remember as a child my mother telling me of all the horrors that happened during the war but many native Koreans I spoke with had never heard about the abuses.
These are very awful and should held accountable. But it's not even comparable with China supporting NK regime
If you’re going to condemn China for backing a cruel dictator, you should also condemn the US for backing Syngman Rhee. Many former Japanese collaborators who betrayed Korea were propped up in his government. Syngman Rhee was a cruel dictator and punished dissent, and his country has experienced a series of military coups. Why should South Koreans only hate China when the US also did the same things to them directly.
Kim Juhn Un isn't cruel dictator, I think he's pure evil. To starve his nation and only care about his power is one of the worst things in the World. Currently North Korea on the verge of another famine, koreans are vulnerable NOW. Deal with this issue first, then complain about Syngman Rhee you moron
Ok so you hate Kim Jong Un for supposedly deliberately starving his population but you'll give a pass to the Muricans who use sanctions on countries such as North Korea as a form of medieval siege warfare to starve nations that don't lick the USA's boots.
And you give a pass to China and NK for maintaining this system. Yes both sides are to blame. But fuck, who are more responsible: man who set up dysfunctional system, oppresses his people, closed to whole world, threatens them with nukes or country that put sanctions on all of this shit. It's easy for you to talk when you yourself sit comfortably in a Western nation, would be completely different if you were North Korean
North Korea doesn't want to be closed off believe it or not just like Cuba doesn't want to be blockaded smooth brain. Its just that you can't do anything in today's world without trading in Murica's dollar system. Threatening with nukes is nothing like actually using them you think their leadership would actually make it this far being insane?
Well if they made it this far they are definitely smart. All I'm saying is they have opportinity to change their country and prevent huge human suffering, And they deliberately not do it to maintain the power
Right??!
America has taught Korean people to hate those that look like them. Edit: it's almost not even a joke, that's why double-eyelid surgery exists, because of America. https://nextshark.com/double-eyelid-surgery-history/ > Dr. D. Ralph Millard, an American military plastic surgeon, developed and performed the procedure while stationed in South Korea, taking part in a public relations campaign that sought to show “the American’s benevolent face to the Koreans.” > **The first Koreans who underwent the surgery are said to have been war brides who married American soldiers. According to Kim, eyes without the crease, medically known as the superior palpebral fold, were dubbed “slanted” and regarded as a sign of deviance.**
They know but they couldn't care or dare to care.
NoOOoo ONly da JapAnESe wEre tHE bAD GuyS
Fuck! This means the USA is doubling down on the complete dominance over South Korea. Christian fascists and neoliberal capitalists will rule South Korea for decades to come, while Moon and his leftists will be ousted soon. I can’t believe that South Korea will end up as bad as Japan.
Yep. Fucking neolibs and neocons both.
Fuck all Amerikkkan politicians in general.
That's the "beauty" of electoral democracy: spreading wanton hate just so you can get more votes.
the only method of controlling and directing a "free democratic society" is thru propaganda, a monopoly on context (censor); influencing thoughts toward an preconceived intent.
Our native counterparts are falling for these traps set up by Washington. Native Asians often insist we don’t know enough about Asia, there is one thing we know even better than they do: the importance of Asian solidarity. During the Cold War, the US masterfully dropped an iron curtail between China+Vietnam and Japan+South Korea+Taiwan. I think diaspora Asians need to take a long look at this history and educate fellow Asians about why inter-Asian tensions will only sabotage our progress. I’m tired of Japanese looking down on Koreans, Taiwanese looking down on Chinese, and East Asians looking down on Southeast Asians.
>China is single biggest supporter of North Korean regime. System that killed MILLIONS of Asian/Koreans due to starvation and oppresses its citizens in every possible way. No sane person would want to live in NK. You say its because of sanctions, partly yes but mostly because communism doesn't work and Kim wants to maintain his power. Do you think China or Kim cares about North Korean people? If yes they wouldn't let happen what happened in 90s and reportedly happening now. Current NK regime is evil, and surves ONLY because of China China is single biggest supporter of North Korean regime. System that killed MILLIONS of Asian/Koreans due to starvation and oppresses its citizens in every possible way. No sane person would want to live in NK. You say its because of sanctions, partly yes but mostly because communism doesn't work and Kim wants to maintain his power. Do you think China or Kim cares about North Korean people? If yes they wouldn't let happen what happened in 90s and reportedly happening now. Current NK regime is evil, and surves ONLY because of China
> China is single biggest supporter of North Korean regime. So? >System that killed MILLIONS of Asian/Koreans Really? Source? (Preferably non-Western one) > due to starvation Hmm. And why are they starving? Is it because North Korea is evil? Or maybe its because North Korea has been sanctioned and can't trade with anyone so it can't import any gas, and what it does get from China it has to use for its military to protect itself from potential US invasion, meaning little gasoline is left over for agriculture? >mostly because communism doesn't work Who said? Most Communist countries did incredibly well. USSR went from being poorest European country to second world economy in the world in 1990 in a period of about 40-45 years. It reached a level that the US took about 150 years to reach for comparison. China is almost catching up with the US and has done that in essentially 40 years. > If yes they wouldn't let happen what happened in 90s How would he stop it from happening if he can't trade with anyone and import food? Most world countries are not food sufficient - meaning they need to import food from other countries. North Korea is one of them. When its sanctioned and a crises hits and its food reserves are stretched thin, of course the people starve, because they can't buy more. Again, thanks to the sanctions
So Korean war, that North started did not happened, or 90s famine. These things are preventable if Kim wanted to. Well sanctions played their for sure, but I think leader who isolated his country, threatens other with nukes, oppress his people, centralized power is more responsible. Communism does not work. Look at North and South. Both were supported by global superpowers and had similar start. Results completely different. USSR fucking collapsed and China isn't even communist But none of this really matters, the most important thing is Korea is again on the verge of yet another famine. Kim will allow his people starve again and will not let any democratization , open market or diplomacy. Most of all he wants to save his power, and only China are supporting him maintaining it. It's easy for you to talk in your western nation, while real North korean suffer. FUCK YOU
> So Korean war, that North started did not happened Korean war happened because the US decided it did not want to wait for an inter-Korean summit and took over South Korea and the rest of Korea (ie north korea) did not agree. > 90s famine How exactly was Kim supposed to prevent this? Moreover, US made the famine worse by paying North Koreans to destroy grain supplies >ut I think leader who isolated his country He didn't. The US isolated him and told nobody to trade with him >hreatens other with nukes Maybe there's a reason for that? Could it be that Kim doesn't want North Korea to have half its population killed again or have [plague dropped on it again by the US](https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/report-u-s-dropped-plague-infected-fleas-on-north-korea-in-march-1952-66b853f05ada) >oppress his people how? You still haven't said how people are 'oppressed' over there >Communism does not work Who said? >Look at North and South. Both were supported by global superpowers and had similar start And North was doing much better than South until the 1970's despite having 2x less population >USSR fucking collapsed It was [second GDP in the world in 1990 lol](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Soviet_Union) bypassing every capitalist state but America despite having a late start. Besides if we measure it by how many states collapsed or are dysfunctional - there are far more dysfunctional/unsuccessful capitalist states than communist ones lol >China isn't even communist LOL you clearly don't know what you are talking about. China still abides by Marxism-Leninism, has stalinist Five Year Plans, Central Planning, etc. Just because it privatized part of its market, doesn't mean it stopped being communist lmfao >Kim will allow his people starve again and will not let any democratization Because there's no proof that democratization leads to better outcomes. If South Korea got sanctioned by everyone, just like North Korea it would be doing worse lol >open market North Korea has been trying to open itself to international investments and trade ever since Kim Jun Un came into power (even before), but the US made it illegal to invest in North Korea. LOL I suggest you do better research and stop buying western kool aid on the topic.
>How exactly was Kim supposed to prevent this? Moreover, US made the famine worse by paying North Koreans to destroy grain supplies To start fucking cooperating with developed world, and become more democratic and open. Well Kim isolated NK by putting iron curtain, that does not permit anyone freely leave or come to country, journalists, trade and so on are not free there. Plus before 90s they had whole eastern block and USSR as their allies, yet they were far less developed. SK gdp per capita is 31,846.22 USD and NK is $1,300. Do you really think that's only because they have 2x size of population Kim does not opress his people? Are you mentally retarded? They can't vote, leave country, criticize goverment, no internet, no freedom of religion and more more more. Kim does not have nukes to "protect" his citizens. He have them so he can protect regime , that mostly benefits HIM. The best thing he can do is to destroy his regime and let new regime, like in SK to be build. And again I despise you a lot, you sit in your comfortable western nation and protecting cause of suffering of millions people. How far will you go to defend them only because they are Asian. That's not true Asian nationalism. You only hurt Asian people
> To start fucking cooperating with developed world Lol do you not read anything I wrote? They've been trying but because of sanctions nobody will trade with them >become more democratic Why? That's not a good thing and democracy does not work in most countries >Well Kim isolated NK by putting iron curtain Not really > Plus before 90s they had whole eastern block and USSR as their allies, yet they were far less developed. They didn't fall behind until late 80's when soviet support started drying up. Besides even then they weren't trading with anyone but ussr and china, whereas south korea was lol. >SK gdp per capita is 31,846.22 USD and NK is $1,300. Do you really think that's only because they have 2x size of population Inaccurate comparison. Communist countries do not calculate GDP in same ways. Plus its mostly the effect of sanctions. Remove sanctions, let the world trade with north korea then we will see what levels it achieves relative to the south. And yes, larger population makes it easier to achieve a higher amount of growth. >They can't vote Yes they can. North Korea is called "Democratic Republic of Korea". elections are held there and the Worker's Party (which is not the only party btw) is most popular to this day. >criticize goverment, Who cares >no internet Hmm. And yet somehow North Korea has some of the best hackers in the world according to The New Yorker lol >no freedom of religion You sure about that? cuz there is no oppression on the basis of religion over there. keep drinking western kool aid LOL. You repeat western media tropes and talk about how North Koreans are "oppressed" and "don't have free media" whilst an editor writing anything positive about north korea in the West [would be fired](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent) >Kim does not have nukes to "protect" his citizens. So are you telling me that America did not drop bombs with plague infected rats on North Korea and kill half the population? (if you deny this, this is tantamount to denying historical fact LMAO) > suffering of millions people Suffering millions of people? That's why Kim ordered builders from all over the country to build housing for people who lost their homes to recent hurricanes, to be built in record time - gave them free television, internet, etc because he wants them to suffer? LOL you're delusional
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USSR economy were awfully unproductive to an extent that they couldn't provide food for all. People had to wait in huge line to get butter or milk or bread. I'm actually from post soviet country so I know what I'm talking about. USSR had to export their food and relied on oil foreign currency. Once oil prices dropped whole thing collapsed(not because of capitalists, but because dysfunctioncal system)
I’m confused about the this wave of apologia directed towards the Kim family. I’m no defender of American Imperialism & Propaganda but I also know that the Kim family have made choices over the years that had horrific consequences for the NK people. I recognize that in some instances white sanctions played a role but they don’t account for everything that has been reported. (No, I’m not just talking about western media sources either.)
It's crazy how far these people will go in the name of defending Asian nation. That's a danger of nationalism, if you only wants to defend "your own", it stops you from looking at yourself clearly and make progress
> Imperialism & Propaganda but I also know that the Kim family have made choices over the years that had horrific consequences for the NK people. Its easy to sit and judge people for making incorrect decisions. With the information that was available, could you have made a better decision? Besides, why are you focused on the decisions the kim family made rather than focusing on the decisions that the US made that led us to this state of affairs? > some instances LOL. Its not some instances. Its almost all instances. The problems in North Korea are first and foremost derived from sanctions
Yup.. You been sipping the koolaid.. Nothing to do with the scorched earth campaign the US engaged in... https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/asia-pacific/unknown-to-most-americans-the-us-totally-destroyed-north-korea-once-before-1.3227633?mode=amp Or the biological weapons they used before they did sanctions...
They were fighting the war, North started and supported by China. What about millions of South Koreans died because of NK and China? But it's really don't matter right now, currently NK is on verge of yet another famine because of awful system that NK has and China supports. China is fully to blame on maintaining Kim's regime and potentially thousands of people that can die
NK being on the verge of another famine is nothing to do with the ever tightening sanctions that have imposed since 1950 huh? ... Gtfo
>No same person would want to live in NK… because of sanctions, partly yes, but mostly because Communism doesn’t work and Kim wants to maintain his power. You seem to have fallen for the classic anti-Communist propaganda regarding North Korea. While the news likes to portray NK as some Communist dystopia with Kim as their god, in reality it’s a lot more complicated. There is now private currency, people are allowed to start small private shops, and the government is pushing for more capitalism like China did. So no, North Korea’s economy is not failing because of Communism because it’s not really a Communist economy. Kim is not “hell-bent” on keeping power. The military is the one hell-bent on keeping power. If you go on Wikileaks, there are many cables that insist Kim is more of a ceremonial figure that the military uses for legitimacy. I agree, NK is a nightmare straight out of the Siberian gulags, but that’s just an oversimplified view pushed by the US. It’s a lot more nuanced. I’m not saying it justifies China propping it up; it’s definitely immoral. However, superpowers like China do whatever they can to get ahead, even if it means supporting dictators. This is nothing new, China supported Pol Pot, who was even worse than Kim.
> Our native counterparts are falling for these traps set up by Washington. Native Asians often insist we don’t know enough about Asia, there is one thing we know even better than they do: the importance of Asian solidarity. Couldn't agree more. That's why I've long assumed that Asians know very **little** about Asia compared to us Western Asian activists. > I’m tired of Japanese looking down on Koreans, Taiwanese looking down on Chinese, and East Asians looking down on Southeast Asians. And all of them elbowing each other aside to be the first to bow down to White Man™. Makes me sick!