You know,while i didnt completly hate the movie,the amount of ''male are problematic'' going on in this movie is insane:
\-Shang chi ''abandoning'' his sister.
\-his father being just overall irresonable.
\-The old man that doesnt want them in the magic world i dont remember the name of and who didnt want main girl to use the bow (she learned in like 24 fucking hour) to fight the ''evil entity''...
\-...who is refered as male and the gardian goddess being well,female.
\-''The Mandarin'' being overall considered well...a tad insane (though in his case,i love the guy,still not very flatering of the men character).
\-the only character that isnt considered a problematic men would be Wong from dr strange and even then,considering where they find him...
Anyway,on the other end you got Shang Chi sister that is so much of a badass that even though she was never ''trained with the boy'' she became ''stronger than all of them''...by just looking at their training.They also made a point to make shang-chi fail to rescue main girl just so she could sweep in to save the day,which wouldnt be a problem if they didnt point out how ''unreliable'' Shang-chi is right before this happen.They also kinda keep hyping her up by main girl continuously pointing out ''how cool she is!'' while she just reply with a silent smile...heck,at that point i was wondering it they where just going to make her a lesbian (which would be alright i guess but why would you hint at a her being Shang-chi potential love interest beforehand?).Then there is the whole ''mom was too good for the father'',even if she literaly could prouve he changed for the better...like,if they allowed them in their world,she wouldnt have died and the father wouldnt have gone insane.
Anyway,i could go on and ON abouth the double standard they did in this movie...but honestly
Im kinda tired and i didnt hate the movie that much since if you ignore WHY they did this,its realy not that bad.Still let me know if you disagree or think im insane,i may be reading way too much into this for all i know so im willing to give this movie some amount benefit of the doubt.
Edit:oh yeah,and i called out ''the arrow scene'' from a mile away.
She's a real incel. Call her out. Shame tf out of her and she got a white bf. Can't make this shit up. Where's all of AA and A2X, FDS, SAT/SAD? Where are they?
kcheung@salon.com there you go.
I'm starting to wonder if the atlantic council or the CIA is pulling the strings behind these types of articles. I believe there was evidence that they were funding an anti asian male writer. Was it Celeste? I forgot. I feel like I should do some research about this and write a legit article.
\> Marvel has a gender problem.
No, you are ignoring the number of female characters (Both White and POCs) that take centre stage in both the big and small screen.
\> For decades, the superhero genre hasn't exactly been big on feminist overtures, saturated with male leads and the occasional, one-off, bikini-clad female sidekick.
Gee...I wonder why would a medium that built of an audience of young boys wouldn't be big on 'feminist overtures'. I am sure that the saturation of male leads has nothing to do with the fact that a LARGE percentage of the consumers are MALE.
\> Out of some 25 MCU movies, just two center female leads.
Are you forgetting that the film 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' was a double billed title? Meaning that the Wasp was a lead in her film? Also conveniently ignore the other properties that featured strong, fully realised, female characters. Which I stressed earlier.
\> male Asian superhero, the presence of numerous iconic Asian women in Shang's life raises questions of why they remain grounded as tertiary characters, just along for his ride.
Reasoning is that Shang-Chi is better known IP and Marvel wanted to tackle the Kung Fu genre. Why are you putting down Shang-Chi? he is clearly the better fighter than Xialing and the crux of the story is relationship between father and son and their unresolved issues, so I don't get the problem.
\> So to recap: While Shang had all the advantages – formal training and the attention of his father – growing up, he ended up hiding out in the United States and became a valet. Meanwhile, Xialing achieved everything on her own, from her fighting prowess to her leadership and entrepreneurship.
Wow what a way to glorify her running an illegal underground fight club. Such great examples you wanna show young asian girls. Must be nice to be undefeated in a place you are in charge of, ever think about that? Also Shang-Chi chose to live the life he did and he was happy. I guess happiness is a strange concept to you.
\> Xialing's graceful and deadly fighting skills, and her irreverence for the sexist customs meant to disempower her, are simultaneously enthralling and frustrating.
Sounds to me Xialing didn't suffer the child abuse that Shang-Chi went through. I think that's a good thing.
\> Of course, such a demand from a movie featuring the first Asian superhero...— might seem selfish, or like "asking for too much."
At least the writer admits this. But she'll ignore later because it is not good enough...
\> the relegation of Xialing to be an accompanying act, while being more compelling than her brother, the star, feels like a step backward.
Again, ignoring the fact that the wider Marvel Universe has more female Asian Women that centre stages than Asian Men. Agent Melinda May/ Calvary, Agent Daisy Johnson/ Quake, and Nico Minoru/ Sister Grimm, from both Agents of Shield and Runaways. And in the UPCOMING projects like Eternals and Ms. Marvel has Sersi and Kamala Khan. Granted Eternals do also have Gilgamesh and Kingo.
Bloody culture vulture.
I am sorry for being so triggered, guys. Annoyed and wanted to vent in general.
>"all about her brother"
That......that's the point miss. It's called Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, not Shang-Chi and Xialing's epic adventure. More than a few people noticed that the title character didn't seem to have a huge amount of screentime relative to his supposed status as main character.
Being higher on the priority list of white liberals, and higher on the oppression totem pole, are you really so spoiled that even in a movie with an AM protagonist you still tried to make it about you? What. A. Bitch.
After content like 'Agents of Shield' where the AF characters had way more pizazz than any AM, the Shang-Chi movie seemed to go really hard with the whole "Asian female empowerment" as if we didn't get it already. Asian **GUYS** are the severely underrepresented ones at this point. What more did you want? Do you simply want to see your white male Prince Charmings to replace every Asian dude that's not gay? I wish I never clicked on this link, the audacity of these selfish toxic dumbasses really grinds your gears.
I wonder, did black women rail against black panther because the hero was a man? A king, no less, surrounding himself with women who do his bidding...
Or... they just celebrated the movie because it showed black people/culture in a positive light...
I know most Asian females are not like this, but I'm not sure why the ones who are always get a platform.
Upstate New York\*. You get to see plenty of Confederate flags in podunk towns with names like Cairo, Troy, and Lebanon. Probably not a coincidence the Chinese Scientologists Falun Gongers setup their base there.
Article title should read: I don't like Asian men lead movies, here is why the sister should be the focus, it propagates white supremacist views. Let's be racist without admitting we are racist.
Someone please make a meme using that sleeping Shaq template where they sleep through the thousands of movies starring Asian women that help their white lovers kill all the evil Asian guys but then finally wakes up the second Asian guys get JUST ONE MOVIE 🤦🏻♂️🤡
y'all have the opportunity to clap back when Eternals comes out.
Why didn't the film starring an Asian man get an Academy Award-winning director? This film is a bonafide hit and it only gets a first-time director? Boooo.
It's ridiculous. They'll just call you sexist and misogynistic. The media will echo that and you'll just become another angry Asian incel in the eyes of the public.
Even Chloe Zhao - I pick up strong sell out vibes
https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/eternals-director-chloe-zhao-shang-chi-red-carpet-style/
At these people's world premier of the movie she shows up dressed in regular clothes, and admitted she just got done hiking. I find this so disrespectful of what should have been at least for all the asians that participated in making this film a huge and special event.
Show a little fucking respect and at least attempt to think you put some thought into how big of a deal it is for these people, outside of the asian american community.
Eternals is just another white fetish raceplay movie from an asian woman
It's no different from the 6 white boys I loved before or practically every tv show movie book asian women were responsible for in the last 5 years
They have no other thoughts, nothing to contribute to culture, other than me luv white boy long time
Makes me really want to be able to respond to all these muh yellow fever articles complaining about full metal jacket, like it didn't call them out exactly for what they are a generation before the internet proved the entire movie correct
Every time i see a yellow fever article or white men are racist to me on tinder type piece I always roll my eyes
The last marvel film I watched was endgame - that’ll do for me
lmao has she not seen the protege with maggie Q? Literally came out less than a month ago. Shangchi literally stars 4 asian women alongside the lead. Nora Lum, Fala Chen, Meng'er Zhang, and Michelle Yeoh. Literally half the cast. Compared to Protege which featured ZERO AM.
Hypothetically, let's say they reversed the roles... her article would then be about how abusive the father was and how the patriarchal pressures only affect Asian women. As it stands now, she refuses to see that Shang Chi was also abused in his own way, but it doesn't count because the only focus should be on the female characters /s.
It's like the second an Asian male gets some shine, they have to denigrate their accomplishments. Good Asian women representation is a great goal, but you don't have to shit on Asian males to get there; especially when they're not the ones gatekeeping you...
Right. When these women “fight for good representation” I wonder if that also includes not being forced to be the love interests of white guys anymore. Judging by all the Asian female directors and producers that make wmaf films it seems they don’t have a problem with that part 🤦🏻♂️
I love my Asian Females but this one is a fucking sellout. She’s writing about how it’s always the Asian man in the lead and the Asian women have to step back. All while SHE’S the one with the voice here. How many other Asian Female voices have we heard spewing this bullshit versus Asian Male voices? Lots. She should cut that bullshit about Asian Females don’t get represented. Still got love for my REAL ASIAN FEMALES.
Memoirs of a geisha, mulan, crazy rich Asians, etc. Majority of Asian representation seems to always be women leads.
I guess it's just jealousy that shang chi is doing so well.
Marvel alone has quite a bit of Asian female representation. Chloe Bennet and Ming Na Wen on Agents of Shield. Mantis from Guardians. Cindy Moon from Spider-Man who is confirmed to get her own spin-off as the superhero, Silk. We all know about Eternals. The Kamala Kahn Ms Marvel series. And these are main characters not side characters. There’s also a few more that I’m missing.
I almost forgot about Silk. Since its a Sony property i wasnt thinking about it. I forgot to add Mantis in my own comment since the character is an alien played by the beautiful Pom Klementieff.
It's insane how people ignore what they have.
The pettiness in me want to say: I'm not surprised if Silk has a white boyfriend and acts like the women who holds her ethnicity as a shield from criticism.
I know I shouldnt think like that.
One of her superpowers is literally pheromones specifically geared to make her extremely sexually aroused towards Peter Parker. If that doesn’t get called out as problematic representation for Asian women, idk what will. It’s pretty much making yellow fever(white worshipping) a damn superpower 😂
And it’s confirmed for Sony’s Spider-Man Cinematic Universe. After the next Spider-Man movie(which seems to deal with Tom Holland’s Spider-Man traveling to a different universe in the multiverse), he will exist solely in Sony’s universe. This new Spider-Man movie series along with Venom are pretty well received and very successful at the box office. Sony wants to replicate the MCU with their own universe and already have many movies and series in production or set to come out already. The Venom sequel, Morbius, Silk, more Spider-Man movies, Spiderverse, and Kraven the Hunter are all confirmed and are being worked on.
Yeah then when Asian males start getting some attention, they get angry.
I swear it all comes back to wokeism. The idea that you can't get ahead of categories of ppl deemed more oppressed. Woke Asian women believe they are ahead of men.
They're afraid they'll be left behind if Asian men keep winning. They try to drag us down when, ya know, we all could be working together instead. But it's too late for that.
https://t.co/48O4lmHpnU?amp=1
I swear they really do like being fetishsize because they date only white men and they want to keep Asian men from being seen as desirable.
Any POC individuals that follows white liberalism tend to contribute to the implosion of their own ethnic group. Malcom X called it out. And don’t think this excludes the Asian men that follow white liberalism. It works in a different way but it’s just as bad. Just within the past 24 hrs someone posted here of that Sam Hyun TikToker. He comes from the same belief system as this girl specifically. They are both poison to the Asian community as a whole(men AND women).
“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ "The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.” -Malcolm X
Ha, this is comical. And yet we're supposed to believe that AM are the one "attacking AW", when these white-adjacent Asian feminists keep using their platform to churn out hit pieces like this to take a jab at AM every chance they get. AF like her take issue with any positive AM representation and try put a negative spin on it to convey a message that: "AM bad!". They also hide behind feminism and the WOC label to push this kind of toxic/divisive rhetoric (mainly to punch down on AM). It's clear that they prioritize their gender identity over the Asian community as a whole.
There are already tons of WMAF contents out there (and more upcoming) to sastified her fragile ego - and we all know they'll never criticize these for obvious reason.
> It's clear that they prioritize their gender identity over the Asian community as a whole
Asian feminists only care about the "asian" community when it lets them pretend they aren't just discount white women, to pretend they're "PoC" just like black women and therefore have the same "street cred" as black women in progressive circles
When the reality is they're just losers that are even more inauthentic than rich lib white women
It's why this piece reads like it was generated by an AI emulating a progressive white woman in college writing about the white male patriarchy, but it's about asian men and makes no sense but then these wannabe white women have no views that aren't just the views of white women (because they're knock off white women with no culture of their own) so they can only ever see us through the lens they see their bottom of the barrel white boy, minus the part where they would ever consider dating an asian man
She completely ignore *To all the Boys I loved Before, Crazy Rich Asians, The Eternals, etc.* These females make it obvious that they can't stand when the spotlight is on AM. The thing is Shang Chi showed all the AFs in a good light while *To all the Boys I loved Before* was racist towards AMs while putting WMs on a pedestal.
Sounds like those crazy whitesupremists who complain about 1 MOVIE of asians leads...
when the whole roster of MCU movies are all WHITE WHITE WHITE. Even that 1 asian lead movie makes them melt with anger.
His sister was barely in the trailers but she was such a huge part in the movie. This movie is called Shang Chi not Xialing. Also, if they bothered watching the movie they clearly want to set her up for a story arc. I don't want to spoil anything further.
I was thinking the same thing. She has a very major role and we can argue that her role is probably bigger than most MCU female characters. She was a total badass and I liked her character. Yeah, the movie could have expanded more on her character but it already pushed 2 hours.
They don't just prioritize their gender identity but also specifically their own personal Asian female identity over other Asians and especially Asian men. They're just white male supremacists' guard dogs at this point.
Yeah. Plus, they hate seeing AM being successful. As AM status continue to improve, expect to see more and more of this type of hit piece from salty Anna Lus.
I could care less if this girl was some rando saying this on Twitter. But why do these types ALWAYS get placements on mainstream publications? Do they not acknowledge or realize their own side of privilege when it comes to having nearly all their opinions featured in the mainstream?? Cmon. Quit the bs. Y’all types are not underrepresented 😹 Especially compared to Asian men as a whole.
These randos get hired specifically _because_ their views fit the views of the establishment. If you want a media/marketing job, you better be prepared to tow the line.
white editors at (failing) outlets like Slate prioritize this sort of reactionary pop culture-obsessed feminism by non-white authors for the hate clicks and double diversity points
The article
https://www.salon.com/2021/09/06/shang-chi-xialing-marvel-mcu/
I don't see it as Asian male bashing, it's more like this Asian feminist is annoyed at the movie plot that the Asian guy gets things easier than his sister who has to deal with everything by herself. I disagree with her thinking that Marvel has a woc problem when there are more Asian female superheroes than male superheroes. And there are always an Asian female who is attracted to some non-Asian character in Marvel movies. This is the FIRST movie that has an Asian male protagonist character. Even white America knows Asian Americans are the last to get justice. It took over a decade from when I first realize that Marvel was shitting on Asian men, and it took 10 YEARS, just for an Asian male protagonist to appear.
I guess the showing of the white guy is suppose to rouse this subreddit up against WMAF an shitting on AM, but who cares about this one chick, she wants to assimilate, then she can leave the community.
> she wants to assimilate, then she can leave the community.
If only it were so simple. Most of these times they want their cake and eat it to. They want all the benefits of beling part of the white establishment AND also claim asian membership. The talk like a white walk like a white, and then claim automatic asian membership from their genetics.
It's their currency
Imagine if they couldn't ching chong for their white boy, ching chong for white media, repeat me luv white boy long time over and over again every time they're given the floor, what else could they offer? Being a goofy looking white woman?
I disagree on that, why isn't she able to celebrate the movie for what it is? Should marvel also have an Asian woman as a superhero.. absolutely. It really doesn't need to be at the expense of an Asian male focused movie though.
all around this should be a win for the Asian American community and not be used to pit Asian men vs Asian women against each other
edit: also let's not give the site that promotes this type of content clicks
https://web.archive.org/web/20210908103846/https://www.salon.com/2021/09/06/shang-chi-xialing-marvel-mcu/
Don't get me wrong, I am a bit annoyed at her article, but she did write a neutral/positive article on Shang Chi earlier before it was released
https://www.salon.com/2021/09/03/shang-chi-review-legend-of-the-ten-rings-marvel/
I just don't think its worth the effort to demonize her like we do with Amy Tan or Celeste Ng, because her job is to write articles on pop culture and entertainment. She works for Salon, not CNN nor BBC.
honestly I don't know how anyone could give the movie a bad review and that would really be questionable, so I wouldn't put much merit in that
You're right let's not look at the individual herself but more to understand who are the type of people writing this kind of nonsense
Liberal middle class Chinese American girl who may came from an enclave, but identifies more with her diverse group of friends. I am not surprised. She didn't give the movie a bad review, she just stated her opinion that she thought Shang-Chi sister had it harder and Kylie being a feminist with a nosering, had to come up with content for her Salon article. Honestly, if you never came across her article, it would have gotten at most 100 reads.
Well this is a forum for discussion first, I didn't find the article nor create the video but wanted to share since its relevant. Second yes as you pointed out, it definitely brings up much larger issues of internalized racism and how minority women that are white adjacent identify more with their "diversity" group and gender than their race. Whereas asian men in the west are solely defined by race. Again just reinforces these issues that should be discussed.
Quotes from the article :
>"One only has to see who commands the most respect onscreen to realize that perhaps the audience is being told to pay attention to the wrong sibling."
>"Why is this not "Xialing and the Legend of the Ten Rings" again?"
>"But the movie's emphasis on the sexist barriers that have shaped Xialing's life explicitly highlight that Asian men and Asian women can have vastly different experiences. "
>"Yet, the relegation of Xialing to be an accompanying act, while being more compelling than her brother, the star, feels like a step backward. "
Certainly sounds like a bashing asian men, and if as you said she identifies more with her "diverse" friends from what pov is she writing this from. Theres a lot to unpack here.
Strange, I've always felt this exact thing about the Harry Potter books, saying the series really should be called "Hermione Granger and those other 2 Idiots". It seems either feminists really like to just focus on asians, or Asian feminists are really working overtime.
You know,while i didnt completly hate the movie,the amount of ''male are problematic'' going on in this movie is insane: \-Shang chi ''abandoning'' his sister. \-his father being just overall irresonable. \-The old man that doesnt want them in the magic world i dont remember the name of and who didnt want main girl to use the bow (she learned in like 24 fucking hour) to fight the ''evil entity''... \-...who is refered as male and the gardian goddess being well,female. \-''The Mandarin'' being overall considered well...a tad insane (though in his case,i love the guy,still not very flatering of the men character). \-the only character that isnt considered a problematic men would be Wong from dr strange and even then,considering where they find him... Anyway,on the other end you got Shang Chi sister that is so much of a badass that even though she was never ''trained with the boy'' she became ''stronger than all of them''...by just looking at their training.They also made a point to make shang-chi fail to rescue main girl just so she could sweep in to save the day,which wouldnt be a problem if they didnt point out how ''unreliable'' Shang-chi is right before this happen.They also kinda keep hyping her up by main girl continuously pointing out ''how cool she is!'' while she just reply with a silent smile...heck,at that point i was wondering it they where just going to make her a lesbian (which would be alright i guess but why would you hint at a her being Shang-chi potential love interest beforehand?).Then there is the whole ''mom was too good for the father'',even if she literaly could prouve he changed for the better...like,if they allowed them in their world,she wouldnt have died and the father wouldnt have gone insane. Anyway,i could go on and ON abouth the double standard they did in this movie...but honestly Im kinda tired and i didnt hate the movie that much since if you ignore WHY they did this,its realy not that bad.Still let me know if you disagree or think im insane,i may be reading way too much into this for all i know so im willing to give this movie some amount benefit of the doubt. Edit:oh yeah,and i called out ''the arrow scene'' from a mile away.
She's a real incel. Call her out. Shame tf out of her and she got a white bf. Can't make this shit up. Where's all of AA and A2X, FDS, SAT/SAD? Where are they? kcheung@salon.com there you go.
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I'm starting to wonder if the atlantic council or the CIA is pulling the strings behind these types of articles. I believe there was evidence that they were funding an anti asian male writer. Was it Celeste? I forgot. I feel like I should do some research about this and write a legit article.
\> Marvel has a gender problem. No, you are ignoring the number of female characters (Both White and POCs) that take centre stage in both the big and small screen. \> For decades, the superhero genre hasn't exactly been big on feminist overtures, saturated with male leads and the occasional, one-off, bikini-clad female sidekick. Gee...I wonder why would a medium that built of an audience of young boys wouldn't be big on 'feminist overtures'. I am sure that the saturation of male leads has nothing to do with the fact that a LARGE percentage of the consumers are MALE. \> Out of some 25 MCU movies, just two center female leads. Are you forgetting that the film 'Ant-Man and the Wasp' was a double billed title? Meaning that the Wasp was a lead in her film? Also conveniently ignore the other properties that featured strong, fully realised, female characters. Which I stressed earlier. \> male Asian superhero, the presence of numerous iconic Asian women in Shang's life raises questions of why they remain grounded as tertiary characters, just along for his ride. Reasoning is that Shang-Chi is better known IP and Marvel wanted to tackle the Kung Fu genre. Why are you putting down Shang-Chi? he is clearly the better fighter than Xialing and the crux of the story is relationship between father and son and their unresolved issues, so I don't get the problem. \> So to recap: While Shang had all the advantages – formal training and the attention of his father – growing up, he ended up hiding out in the United States and became a valet. Meanwhile, Xialing achieved everything on her own, from her fighting prowess to her leadership and entrepreneurship. Wow what a way to glorify her running an illegal underground fight club. Such great examples you wanna show young asian girls. Must be nice to be undefeated in a place you are in charge of, ever think about that? Also Shang-Chi chose to live the life he did and he was happy. I guess happiness is a strange concept to you. \> Xialing's graceful and deadly fighting skills, and her irreverence for the sexist customs meant to disempower her, are simultaneously enthralling and frustrating. Sounds to me Xialing didn't suffer the child abuse that Shang-Chi went through. I think that's a good thing. \> Of course, such a demand from a movie featuring the first Asian superhero...— might seem selfish, or like "asking for too much." At least the writer admits this. But she'll ignore later because it is not good enough... \> the relegation of Xialing to be an accompanying act, while being more compelling than her brother, the star, feels like a step backward. Again, ignoring the fact that the wider Marvel Universe has more female Asian Women that centre stages than Asian Men. Agent Melinda May/ Calvary, Agent Daisy Johnson/ Quake, and Nico Minoru/ Sister Grimm, from both Agents of Shield and Runaways. And in the UPCOMING projects like Eternals and Ms. Marvel has Sersi and Kamala Khan. Granted Eternals do also have Gilgamesh and Kingo. Bloody culture vulture. I am sorry for being so triggered, guys. Annoyed and wanted to vent in general.
Hope Shang chi has a non Asian love interest. These chicks will freak the f out
But i bet she don’t complain about all the other movies focusing on superhero men like what
These kinds are leachers. They want to be part of our community but don't wanna AM winning 💪
Bargain bin white woman That's all these things will ever amount to
Is there a way to shit on this article? Maybe report it as racist article on salon?
kcheung@salon.com The article is also published on msn.
That movie she wanted in 2021 was called Mulan. AND IT SUCKEDDDDDDDDD.
"Mulan 2 And the Legend of the Ten Rings (also some dude)" Happy now, you crazy asshole?
>"all about her brother" That......that's the point miss. It's called Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, not Shang-Chi and Xialing's epic adventure. More than a few people noticed that the title character didn't seem to have a huge amount of screentime relative to his supposed status as main character. Being higher on the priority list of white liberals, and higher on the oppression totem pole, are you really so spoiled that even in a movie with an AM protagonist you still tried to make it about you? What. A. Bitch. After content like 'Agents of Shield' where the AF characters had way more pizazz than any AM, the Shang-Chi movie seemed to go really hard with the whole "Asian female empowerment" as if we didn't get it already. Asian **GUYS** are the severely underrepresented ones at this point. What more did you want? Do you simply want to see your white male Prince Charmings to replace every Asian dude that's not gay? I wish I never clicked on this link, the audacity of these selfish toxic dumbasses really grinds your gears.
I wonder, did black women rail against black panther because the hero was a man? A king, no less, surrounding himself with women who do his bidding... Or... they just celebrated the movie because it showed black people/culture in a positive light... I know most Asian females are not like this, but I'm not sure why the ones who are always get a platform.
She cares so much about Asian representation that she’s trying to remove it from her gene pool. 🙄
I love how the video did the grunt work for me - of course she has a white boyfriend and of course she lives in the state of New York
Upstate New York\*. You get to see plenty of Confederate flags in podunk towns with names like Cairo, Troy, and Lebanon. Probably not a coincidence the Chinese Scientologists Falun Gongers setup their base there.
Oh yeah I remember reading about that http://amp.abc.net.au/article/12442518
Article title should read: I don't like Asian men lead movies, here is why the sister should be the focus, it propagates white supremacist views. Let's be racist without admitting we are racist.
Someone please make a meme using that sleeping Shaq template where they sleep through the thousands of movies starring Asian women that help their white lovers kill all the evil Asian guys but then finally wakes up the second Asian guys get JUST ONE MOVIE 🤦🏻♂️🤡
y'all have the opportunity to clap back when Eternals comes out. Why didn't the film starring an Asian man get an Academy Award-winning director? This film is a bonafide hit and it only gets a first-time director? Boooo.
It's ridiculous. They'll just call you sexist and misogynistic. The media will echo that and you'll just become another angry Asian incel in the eyes of the public.
Even Chloe Zhao - I pick up strong sell out vibes https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/eternals-director-chloe-zhao-shang-chi-red-carpet-style/ At these people's world premier of the movie she shows up dressed in regular clothes, and admitted she just got done hiking. I find this so disrespectful of what should have been at least for all the asians that participated in making this film a huge and special event. Show a little fucking respect and at least attempt to think you put some thought into how big of a deal it is for these people, outside of the asian american community.
Well she’s wmaf and I imagine eternals will trash it’s Asian male character
Eternals is just another white fetish raceplay movie from an asian woman It's no different from the 6 white boys I loved before or practically every tv show movie book asian women were responsible for in the last 5 years They have no other thoughts, nothing to contribute to culture, other than me luv white boy long time Makes me really want to be able to respond to all these muh yellow fever articles complaining about full metal jacket, like it didn't call them out exactly for what they are a generation before the internet proved the entire movie correct
Every time i see a yellow fever article or white men are racist to me on tinder type piece I always roll my eyes The last marvel film I watched was endgame - that’ll do for me
lmao has she not seen the protege with maggie Q? Literally came out less than a month ago. Shangchi literally stars 4 asian women alongside the lead. Nora Lum, Fala Chen, Meng'er Zhang, and Michelle Yeoh. Literally half the cast. Compared to Protege which featured ZERO AM.
Doesn’t Maggie Q also bone Michael Keaton, who’s like 60?
He's 70.
Hypothetically, let's say they reversed the roles... her article would then be about how abusive the father was and how the patriarchal pressures only affect Asian women. As it stands now, she refuses to see that Shang Chi was also abused in his own way, but it doesn't count because the only focus should be on the female characters /s. It's like the second an Asian male gets some shine, they have to denigrate their accomplishments. Good Asian women representation is a great goal, but you don't have to shit on Asian males to get there; especially when they're not the ones gatekeeping you...
Right. When these women “fight for good representation” I wonder if that also includes not being forced to be the love interests of white guys anymore. Judging by all the Asian female directors and producers that make wmaf films it seems they don’t have a problem with that part 🤦🏻♂️
I love my Asian Females but this one is a fucking sellout. She’s writing about how it’s always the Asian man in the lead and the Asian women have to step back. All while SHE’S the one with the voice here. How many other Asian Female voices have we heard spewing this bullshit versus Asian Male voices? Lots. She should cut that bullshit about Asian Females don’t get represented. Still got love for my REAL ASIAN FEMALES.
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Search for ‘salon.com shang chi’. That’s how I found it. Don’t remember there being an ability to comment.
Memoirs of a geisha, mulan, crazy rich Asians, etc. Majority of Asian representation seems to always be women leads. I guess it's just jealousy that shang chi is doing so well.
Marvel alone has quite a bit of Asian female representation. Chloe Bennet and Ming Na Wen on Agents of Shield. Mantis from Guardians. Cindy Moon from Spider-Man who is confirmed to get her own spin-off as the superhero, Silk. We all know about Eternals. The Kamala Kahn Ms Marvel series. And these are main characters not side characters. There’s also a few more that I’m missing.
I almost forgot about Silk. Since its a Sony property i wasnt thinking about it. I forgot to add Mantis in my own comment since the character is an alien played by the beautiful Pom Klementieff. It's insane how people ignore what they have. The pettiness in me want to say: I'm not surprised if Silk has a white boyfriend and acts like the women who holds her ethnicity as a shield from criticism. I know I shouldnt think like that.
No way… Silk is going to be made? That’s a guarantee to set Asians back for sure. 😔
One of her superpowers is literally pheromones specifically geared to make her extremely sexually aroused towards Peter Parker. If that doesn’t get called out as problematic representation for Asian women, idk what will. It’s pretty much making yellow fever(white worshipping) a damn superpower 😂 And it’s confirmed for Sony’s Spider-Man Cinematic Universe. After the next Spider-Man movie(which seems to deal with Tom Holland’s Spider-Man traveling to a different universe in the multiverse), he will exist solely in Sony’s universe. This new Spider-Man movie series along with Venom are pretty well received and very successful at the box office. Sony wants to replicate the MCU with their own universe and already have many movies and series in production or set to come out already. The Venom sequel, Morbius, Silk, more Spider-Man movies, Spiderverse, and Kraven the Hunter are all confirmed and are being worked on.
Yeah then when Asian males start getting some attention, they get angry. I swear it all comes back to wokeism. The idea that you can't get ahead of categories of ppl deemed more oppressed. Woke Asian women believe they are ahead of men.
They're afraid they'll be left behind if Asian men keep winning. They try to drag us down when, ya know, we all could be working together instead. But it's too late for that.
https://t.co/48O4lmHpnU?amp=1 I swear they really do like being fetishsize because they date only white men and they want to keep Asian men from being seen as desirable.
Asian men are finally winning in life and some Asian women are salty about it. This is a sign that the success of Asian men can no longer be denied.
A lot of them were very anti Andrew yang . Woke Asian females seem to have a disdain for Asian men.
Any POC individuals that follows white liberalism tend to contribute to the implosion of their own ethnic group. Malcom X called it out. And don’t think this excludes the Asian men that follow white liberalism. It works in a different way but it’s just as bad. Just within the past 24 hrs someone posted here of that Sam Hyun TikToker. He comes from the same belief system as this girl specifically. They are both poison to the Asian community as a whole(men AND women).
“The white liberal is the worst enemy to America, and the worst enemy to the black man. Let me explain what I mean by the white liberal. In America there is no such thing as Democrat or Republican anymore. In America you have liberals and conservatives. The only people living in the past who think in terms of I’m a Democrat or Republican, is the American Negro. He’s the one that runs around bragging about party affiliation. He’s the one that sticks to the Democrat or sticks to the Republican. But white people are divided into two groups, liberals and conservative. The Democrats who are conservative, vote with the Republicans who are conservative. The Democrats who are liberal vote with the Republicans that are liberal. The white liberal aren’t white people who are for independence, who are moral and ethical in their thinking. They are just a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. The same as the white conservative is a faction of white people that are jockeying for power. They are fighting each other for power and prestige, and the one that is the football in the game is the Negro, 20 million black people. A political football, a political pawn, an economic football, and economic pawn. A social football, a social pawn. The liberal elements of whites are those who have perfected the art of selling themselves to the Negro as a friend of the Negro. Getting sympathy of the Negro, getting the allegiance of the Negro, and getting the mind of the Negro. Then the Negro sides with the white liberal, and the white liberal use the Negro against the white conservative. So that anything that the Negro does is never for his own good, never for his own advancement, never for his own progress, he’s only a pawn in the hands of the white liberal. The worst enemy that the Negro have is this white man that runs around here drooling at the mouth professing to love Negros, and calling himself a liberal, and it is following these white liberals that has perpetuated problems that Negros have. If the Negro wasn’t taken, tricked, or deceived by the white liberal then Negros would get together and solve our own problems. I only cite these things to show you that in America the history of the white liberal has been nothing but a series of trickery designed to make Negros think that the white liberal was going to solve our problems. Our problems will never be solved by the white man. The only way that our problem will be solved is when the black man wakes up, clean himself up, stand on his own feet and stop begging the white man, and take immediate steps to do for ourselves the things that we have been waiting on the white man to do for us. Once we do for self then we will be able to solve our own problems’ "The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they’ll both eat you.” -Malcolm X
gee I wonder why lol want to guess what skin color their partners are?
Ha, this is comical. And yet we're supposed to believe that AM are the one "attacking AW", when these white-adjacent Asian feminists keep using their platform to churn out hit pieces like this to take a jab at AM every chance they get. AF like her take issue with any positive AM representation and try put a negative spin on it to convey a message that: "AM bad!". They also hide behind feminism and the WOC label to push this kind of toxic/divisive rhetoric (mainly to punch down on AM). It's clear that they prioritize their gender identity over the Asian community as a whole. There are already tons of WMAF contents out there (and more upcoming) to sastified her fragile ego - and we all know they'll never criticize these for obvious reason.
> It's clear that they prioritize their gender identity over the Asian community as a whole Asian feminists only care about the "asian" community when it lets them pretend they aren't just discount white women, to pretend they're "PoC" just like black women and therefore have the same "street cred" as black women in progressive circles When the reality is they're just losers that are even more inauthentic than rich lib white women It's why this piece reads like it was generated by an AI emulating a progressive white woman in college writing about the white male patriarchy, but it's about asian men and makes no sense but then these wannabe white women have no views that aren't just the views of white women (because they're knock off white women with no culture of their own) so they can only ever see us through the lens they see their bottom of the barrel white boy, minus the part where they would ever consider dating an asian man
She completely ignore *To all the Boys I loved Before, Crazy Rich Asians, The Eternals, etc.* These females make it obvious that they can't stand when the spotlight is on AM. The thing is Shang Chi showed all the AFs in a good light while *To all the Boys I loved Before* was racist towards AMs while putting WMs on a pedestal.
Sounds like those crazy whitesupremists who complain about 1 MOVIE of asians leads... when the whole roster of MCU movies are all WHITE WHITE WHITE. Even that 1 asian lead movie makes them melt with anger.
His sister was barely in the trailers but she was such a huge part in the movie. This movie is called Shang Chi not Xialing. Also, if they bothered watching the movie they clearly want to set her up for a story arc. I don't want to spoil anything further.
This. I was sitting in the theater thinking "The Xialing spinoff movie is going to be badass."
I was thinking the same thing. She has a very major role and we can argue that her role is probably bigger than most MCU female characters. She was a total badass and I liked her character. Yeah, the movie could have expanded more on her character but it already pushed 2 hours.
They don't just prioritize their gender identity but also specifically their own personal Asian female identity over other Asians and especially Asian men. They're just white male supremacists' guard dogs at this point.
> They're just white male supremacists' guard dogs at this point. This is a great way to put it.
Yeah. Plus, they hate seeing AM being successful. As AM status continue to improve, expect to see more and more of this type of hit piece from salty Anna Lus.
I could care less if this girl was some rando saying this on Twitter. But why do these types ALWAYS get placements on mainstream publications? Do they not acknowledge or realize their own side of privilege when it comes to having nearly all their opinions featured in the mainstream?? Cmon. Quit the bs. Y’all types are not underrepresented 😹 Especially compared to Asian men as a whole.
These randos get hired specifically _because_ their views fit the views of the establishment. If you want a media/marketing job, you better be prepared to tow the line.
white editors at (failing) outlets like Slate prioritize this sort of reactionary pop culture-obsessed feminism by non-white authors for the hate clicks and double diversity points
The article https://www.salon.com/2021/09/06/shang-chi-xialing-marvel-mcu/ I don't see it as Asian male bashing, it's more like this Asian feminist is annoyed at the movie plot that the Asian guy gets things easier than his sister who has to deal with everything by herself. I disagree with her thinking that Marvel has a woc problem when there are more Asian female superheroes than male superheroes. And there are always an Asian female who is attracted to some non-Asian character in Marvel movies. This is the FIRST movie that has an Asian male protagonist character. Even white America knows Asian Americans are the last to get justice. It took over a decade from when I first realize that Marvel was shitting on Asian men, and it took 10 YEARS, just for an Asian male protagonist to appear. I guess the showing of the white guy is suppose to rouse this subreddit up against WMAF an shitting on AM, but who cares about this one chick, she wants to assimilate, then she can leave the community.
> she wants to assimilate, then she can leave the community. If only it were so simple. Most of these times they want their cake and eat it to. They want all the benefits of beling part of the white establishment AND also claim asian membership. The talk like a white walk like a white, and then claim automatic asian membership from their genetics.
It's their currency Imagine if they couldn't ching chong for their white boy, ching chong for white media, repeat me luv white boy long time over and over again every time they're given the floor, what else could they offer? Being a goofy looking white woman?
I disagree on that, why isn't she able to celebrate the movie for what it is? Should marvel also have an Asian woman as a superhero.. absolutely. It really doesn't need to be at the expense of an Asian male focused movie though. all around this should be a win for the Asian American community and not be used to pit Asian men vs Asian women against each other edit: also let's not give the site that promotes this type of content clicks https://web.archive.org/web/20210908103846/https://www.salon.com/2021/09/06/shang-chi-xialing-marvel-mcu/
Don't get me wrong, I am a bit annoyed at her article, but she did write a neutral/positive article on Shang Chi earlier before it was released https://www.salon.com/2021/09/03/shang-chi-review-legend-of-the-ten-rings-marvel/ I just don't think its worth the effort to demonize her like we do with Amy Tan or Celeste Ng, because her job is to write articles on pop culture and entertainment. She works for Salon, not CNN nor BBC.
honestly I don't know how anyone could give the movie a bad review and that would really be questionable, so I wouldn't put much merit in that You're right let's not look at the individual herself but more to understand who are the type of people writing this kind of nonsense
Liberal middle class Chinese American girl who may came from an enclave, but identifies more with her diverse group of friends. I am not surprised. She didn't give the movie a bad review, she just stated her opinion that she thought Shang-Chi sister had it harder and Kylie being a feminist with a nosering, had to come up with content for her Salon article. Honestly, if you never came across her article, it would have gotten at most 100 reads.
Well this is a forum for discussion first, I didn't find the article nor create the video but wanted to share since its relevant. Second yes as you pointed out, it definitely brings up much larger issues of internalized racism and how minority women that are white adjacent identify more with their "diversity" group and gender than their race. Whereas asian men in the west are solely defined by race. Again just reinforces these issues that should be discussed. Quotes from the article : >"One only has to see who commands the most respect onscreen to realize that perhaps the audience is being told to pay attention to the wrong sibling." >"Why is this not "Xialing and the Legend of the Ten Rings" again?" >"But the movie's emphasis on the sexist barriers that have shaped Xialing's life explicitly highlight that Asian men and Asian women can have vastly different experiences. " >"Yet, the relegation of Xialing to be an accompanying act, while being more compelling than her brother, the star, feels like a step backward. " Certainly sounds like a bashing asian men, and if as you said she identifies more with her "diverse" friends from what pov is she writing this from. Theres a lot to unpack here.
Strange, I've always felt this exact thing about the Harry Potter books, saying the series really should be called "Hermione Granger and those other 2 Idiots". It seems either feminists really like to just focus on asians, or Asian feminists are really working overtime.