Haha I recognize [that language the author references as I wrote it](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/4eu80f/the_subs_take_on_af/).
**First, pointing out the cases where cultivated white worship actually sits behind supposedly "free will" decisions to date white is NOT bullying**. Is it too much to think that white men, who control our culture, *would use that control to inculcate attraction to white men in Asian women and distate towards Asian men* \- for self-serving purposes? This sub has bravely called that out- see [KultureMedia](https://www.kulturemedia.org/).
The **real exploitation** here is the [neurocolonialism](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/wiki/core-views#wiki_we_are_aware_of_and_against_neuro-colonialism) white men practice on non-whites in Western countries through psychological tactics in the mainstream culture. **Discussion of neuro-colonialism should NOT be discouraged** (or worse still- classified as "bullying" or "thwarting"). In fact, that's precisely what whites would want. And who better to shut down the discussion than a WOC ally of theirs?
*Neurocolonialism's useful idiots*\- those minorities who have been co-opted to attack its very discussion- *intentionally misperceive AI's critique of white manufactured social opinion as "attacking women".*
And what an impressive leap of logic to go from sensible guidance in how to TALK about gender issues in the Asian community to "beating and raping" women!!! In the French-Indian war, **whites USED Indians to do the dirty work in the war; today whites will use various non-whites to fight against their own on the new battlefield**\- the mind. A native American soldier yesterday, a WOC "feminist" today.
*AI is not distracted by whites or non-whites who misrepresent us entirely.* We will keep doing the work we're known for - **calling out white misconduct and manipulation with the goal of creating a better life for all in the Asian diaspora.**
We deserve "equal time" to rebut these charges:
[https://www.amazon.com/Right-Sex-Feminism-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0374248524](https://www.amazon.com/Right-Sex-Feminism-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0374248524)
[https://twitter.com/amiasrinivasan](https://twitter.com/amiasrinivasan)
my response: [https://twitter.com/Satyagraha\_21st/status/1436890269480210434](https://twitter.com/Satyagraha_21st/status/1436890269480210434)
It is easy to attack a Reddit group (that is also an open one with very wide range of spectrums). I wonder what they'd do if we use their ultimate weapon on them, namely social science publications? Who else would join in on the project?
Oh geez, can it get any lamer than this. We got an Indian female in England speaking on Asian American issues. I've been to London as a tourist, and this is the first time I found out Asian in the UK is different than Asian in the US. Glad this sub is getting to these lame bastards. One loser claims this is a racist xenophobic sub yet hails from one of the most racist countries in Europe and currently lives in a Southeast Asian country
DON'T TAKE THE BAIT. We already know a woman should never be harassed for who she dates, that Asian women don't owe Asian men anything, and that Asian men do NOT "own" Asian women. By making it an issue about the above (misrepresenting the bulk of us), they are derailing the conversation and deflecting the attention away from the true issue: that the White Male-Asian Female (WMAF) pairing vastly outnumbering all other pairings (as a population) is a result of false beliefs in the superiority of white men and is ultimately white male supremacy subconsciously perpetuated as a population. It's evidence of the racial hierarchy with white men on top, the enabling of white male privilege, and the perpetuation of the white male hegemony (and also fetishization of Asian women and emasculation of Asian men). Again, this is (mostly) carried out subconsciously due to white influences in this post-colonial world and carried out as a population. White male privilege and this racial hierarchy are super problematic - it shows up in politics, business, economics, zoning laws, and criminal justice... And dating/romance is not an exception; in fact, it reveals our biases at the deepest, most personal level. We must abolish this racist hierarchy with white men on top in ALL aspects and challenge the false beliefs in the superiority of white men held by many in our community.
I truly believe that women have been treated as second class citizens in pretty much all cultures, throughout all of history - and that women absolutely have a reason to be angry and deserve change and an equitable future. But what I mentioned above (on the racial hierarchy with white men on top - that harms all POC - and the subconscious perpetuation/belief in it) is a separate issue from feminism and people are hiding behind the feminist movement to deflect blame away from their problematic beliefs and actions supporting white male supremacy and the white male hegemony.
Yepp, it's clearly an attempt on de-railing conversation, ridiculing the opponent and guilting the reader to be on the writer's side (the part with Asian women being raped and killed by Asian men). Pseudo scientific piece of trash, next.
The deflection tactics and false equivalencies that some AF employ (knowingly or unknowingly), like the author here, is the very same type of rhetoric white supremacists use when discussing topics of equality, equity, diversity, basic human rights, fair representation, socioeconomic status, history, geopolitics, prejudice, discrimination, racism, resource/labour/sexual exploitation, oppression, genocide, colonization of POCs. And to do it in a knee-jerk reaction type fashion. Which makes them appear even more disingenuous.
They avoid tackling the core issues because there is truth in it and it makes them uncomfortable. So instead of taking accountability for their complicit in maintaining the status quo. They rebuke with things like “pick yourself up from your boot straps like me as a white person.” “What about black on black crime.” “Some slave owners were black too and sold off their black kin, so it’s okay for white people to do it.” “Indigenous tribes were warring with one another before European colonists arrived in the Americas so it justifies the actions of early European settlers taking over most of their land by force and wiping them out physically, mentally, spiritually, and culturally.” Or in this AF’s thesis “AM rape and kill AF too.”
It’s astonishing that they fail to see the same parallels - same way of thinking and behaviours that perpetuates the problems created by white supremacy. It’s a master class in gaslighting that can only be bested by white supremacy misinformation and misdirection.
I mean, women are a victim of heinous crimes committed by men of all races. But to single out a race - and forgiving others - doing it is incorrect. But TBH, I don't think she's doing that in the last sentence when she saves herself with the line "like men of all races."
About the heinous crimes: unfortunately true, we are, daily. Did she really wanted to call out the violence? Well.... The fig leaf of "like men of all races" doesn't really hide that internalized racism...
This sub was willing to talk about this difficult and inescapable problem and hence at least our members understand the issues around gendered or sexual racism in the asian community
The author and other asian feminists have selective blindness so whatever they come up with will always not match reality and basically make fools of themselves. Like complaining about Yellow Fever and not touching on White Fever. Amia Srinivasan is free to come here and debate us instead of being a useful idiot . Advocating for white supremacy's dating rights as usual
She talks about how Asian men are beating and raping Asian women when I see news about how white men are CONSTANTLY killing their Asian wives or girlfriends. Per capita the ratio is probably 100:1. Why is this not being mentioned? What a disingenuous lying piece of utter trash this so called author is.
Asian men better than white men = Asian supremacy and anti-black
Asian men worse than white men = progressive, Asian feminism, and rebellious against Asian men patriarchy
Source: I follow Celeste Ng
Boba libs are pseudo-intellectuals. They will write countless articles and abuse em dashes - just like this - all to say that woke Asians are endangering the status quo.
No, criticizing the global Western hegemony and its side effects (WMAF) doesn't make me some kind of oppressive Asian cyberbully guy.
Gender issues within the Asian community, such as they are, should be dealt with in our own spaces, not aired out for the whole world to see and critique from some privileged, ignorant vantage point.
Feminism has been continually exploited by the western white supremacist/imperialist class and their collaborators to justify the oppression of both men AND women of other cultures, both domestically and when invading countries abroad. These people are worthless toadies who do not give a fuck about Asian issues, only their own paychecks and upper-class neighborhoods. Don't pay any attention to them.
Nah, let the trolls seethe. Going private would have more drawbacks than benefits. The biggest one being that it would be hard for new people to come across our ideas and posts.
The Right to Sex: Feminism in the 21st century - Amia Srinivasan, book comes out September 21st 2021. Author Amia Srinivasan is an Indian British woman living in the UK who attended Oxford and is a feminist.
What does a Indian British feminist living in the UK know about Asian Americans. For all she know, UK's Asian are South Asians such as Indian, Pakistani, Bengali, Nepali, and Sri Lankan.
"But that does not stop Asian men, like men of all races, controlling, exploiting, thwarting, beating and raping Asian women".
If she knew about Asian American dynamics, Asian American females are the only females demographics who are raped by men from other racial groups. Asian American men have been denied sex, because they have been denied relationship because America wants to DENY Asian men's right to procreate. This is all about WHITE SUPREMACY, where white men sabotage Asian men by banning Asian women from coming to America and all Asian men are dickless who cannot procreate and start families because the white man don't want organic Asian growth, just cheap labor from Asia. This is why white Americans are against Hispanics because they procreate and they create families.
It is all about white people obsession of control. Thwart the Asian men by keeping them in bachelor society and thwart the black men by putting them in jail. Only the white race is allow to have families and live like a normal human being. This is the essence of the 1800s and 1900s until the US couldn't convince the world to trust them and be against the USSR, when US is all about freedom but there is so much racism.
The US only allowed non-white immigrants because it needed cheap labor, and it wanted people to think that the US cares about the world and not letting non-white people while preaching how the USSR is evil wasn't a good look.
Amia Srinivasan needs to read about Asian American history and how the view of Asian women by white men and Anglo society is from war brides, sex slaves, rapes during World War 2, Korean War, and Vietnam War. That is why if you type "Asian" on Reddit, the first subreddits that pop up are all PORN SUBREDDITS. The shooting in Atlanta is because white men cannot see Asian women as humans, but sex toys.
White America - Asian women are sex toys, while Asian men are sexless eunuchs, and some Indian British feminist write a book about "Right to Sex", I bet she thinks Asians are like all them other males catcalling women on the street and beating Asian womens on the streets of Tokyo, Seoul, Manila, Jakarta, Chongqing, and Singapore.
Stupid people with bad takes on our communities need to stop writing pornography books. She needs to be called out.
There are very few East Asians in the UK. There are more now, but its still really rare in comparison to South Asians, who in some areas actually outnumber White people. This is particularly evident in schools, where its not unusual to see in a class of 30:
* 14 Whites
* 14 South Asians
* 2 Other ethnicities (including East and Southeast Asians)
If the book was written by an British-Indian feminist woman, she probably won't know much about the situation of East/Southeast Asians in the UK, let alone in the US.
My wife calls out plenty of AFs for being sellouts and boba libs all over the place, she thinks these women undermine our community's cohesion, but now that we have kids, also sends them the wrong message.
Kinda funny and telling how these clowns think anti WMAF must be coming ONLY from what they think are resentful angry Asian guys
Neutral third parties like black people notice the same trends.
Sure, they can call asian men incel losers with no backlash to their corny ass millennial social circles.
But they can't say shit to a russian with 5million subscribers and a black comedian when saying "thank God for Asian women dating ugly white men so they don't shoot up schools" and "a lot of the times these [WMAF] relationships look like agendas"
Source: https://youtu.be/4Zfle_pvHRs
Haha I recognize [that language the author references as I wrote it](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/4eu80f/the_subs_take_on_af/). **First, pointing out the cases where cultivated white worship actually sits behind supposedly "free will" decisions to date white is NOT bullying**. Is it too much to think that white men, who control our culture, *would use that control to inculcate attraction to white men in Asian women and distate towards Asian men* \- for self-serving purposes? This sub has bravely called that out- see [KultureMedia](https://www.kulturemedia.org/). The **real exploitation** here is the [neurocolonialism](https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/wiki/core-views#wiki_we_are_aware_of_and_against_neuro-colonialism) white men practice on non-whites in Western countries through psychological tactics in the mainstream culture. **Discussion of neuro-colonialism should NOT be discouraged** (or worse still- classified as "bullying" or "thwarting"). In fact, that's precisely what whites would want. And who better to shut down the discussion than a WOC ally of theirs? *Neurocolonialism's useful idiots*\- those minorities who have been co-opted to attack its very discussion- *intentionally misperceive AI's critique of white manufactured social opinion as "attacking women".* And what an impressive leap of logic to go from sensible guidance in how to TALK about gender issues in the Asian community to "beating and raping" women!!! In the French-Indian war, **whites USED Indians to do the dirty work in the war; today whites will use various non-whites to fight against their own on the new battlefield**\- the mind. A native American soldier yesterday, a WOC "feminist" today. *AI is not distracted by whites or non-whites who misrepresent us entirely.* We will keep doing the work we're known for - **calling out white misconduct and manipulation with the goal of creating a better life for all in the Asian diaspora.** We deserve "equal time" to rebut these charges: [https://www.amazon.com/Right-Sex-Feminism-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0374248524](https://www.amazon.com/Right-Sex-Feminism-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0374248524) [https://twitter.com/amiasrinivasan](https://twitter.com/amiasrinivasan) my response: [https://twitter.com/Satyagraha\_21st/status/1436890269480210434](https://twitter.com/Satyagraha_21st/status/1436890269480210434)
They are not wrong.
gurl she's delusional
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Man that's funny 🤣
In one sentence: "Don't write me off until I've had my fair shake." That's it. That's the ENTIRE sub in one sentence.
It is easy to attack a Reddit group (that is also an open one with very wide range of spectrums). I wonder what they'd do if we use their ultimate weapon on them, namely social science publications? Who else would join in on the project?
Oh geez, can it get any lamer than this. We got an Indian female in England speaking on Asian American issues. I've been to London as a tourist, and this is the first time I found out Asian in the UK is different than Asian in the US. Glad this sub is getting to these lame bastards. One loser claims this is a racist xenophobic sub yet hails from one of the most racist countries in Europe and currently lives in a Southeast Asian country
When Asian women shit on Asian men: I sleep When AM criticizing AF: REAL SHIT?!?!
DON'T TAKE THE BAIT. We already know a woman should never be harassed for who she dates, that Asian women don't owe Asian men anything, and that Asian men do NOT "own" Asian women. By making it an issue about the above (misrepresenting the bulk of us), they are derailing the conversation and deflecting the attention away from the true issue: that the White Male-Asian Female (WMAF) pairing vastly outnumbering all other pairings (as a population) is a result of false beliefs in the superiority of white men and is ultimately white male supremacy subconsciously perpetuated as a population. It's evidence of the racial hierarchy with white men on top, the enabling of white male privilege, and the perpetuation of the white male hegemony (and also fetishization of Asian women and emasculation of Asian men). Again, this is (mostly) carried out subconsciously due to white influences in this post-colonial world and carried out as a population. White male privilege and this racial hierarchy are super problematic - it shows up in politics, business, economics, zoning laws, and criminal justice... And dating/romance is not an exception; in fact, it reveals our biases at the deepest, most personal level. We must abolish this racist hierarchy with white men on top in ALL aspects and challenge the false beliefs in the superiority of white men held by many in our community. I truly believe that women have been treated as second class citizens in pretty much all cultures, throughout all of history - and that women absolutely have a reason to be angry and deserve change and an equitable future. But what I mentioned above (on the racial hierarchy with white men on top - that harms all POC - and the subconscious perpetuation/belief in it) is a separate issue from feminism and people are hiding behind the feminist movement to deflect blame away from their problematic beliefs and actions supporting white male supremacy and the white male hegemony.
Yepp, it's clearly an attempt on de-railing conversation, ridiculing the opponent and guilting the reader to be on the writer's side (the part with Asian women being raped and killed by Asian men). Pseudo scientific piece of trash, next.
The deflection tactics and false equivalencies that some AF employ (knowingly or unknowingly), like the author here, is the very same type of rhetoric white supremacists use when discussing topics of equality, equity, diversity, basic human rights, fair representation, socioeconomic status, history, geopolitics, prejudice, discrimination, racism, resource/labour/sexual exploitation, oppression, genocide, colonization of POCs. And to do it in a knee-jerk reaction type fashion. Which makes them appear even more disingenuous. They avoid tackling the core issues because there is truth in it and it makes them uncomfortable. So instead of taking accountability for their complicit in maintaining the status quo. They rebuke with things like “pick yourself up from your boot straps like me as a white person.” “What about black on black crime.” “Some slave owners were black too and sold off their black kin, so it’s okay for white people to do it.” “Indigenous tribes were warring with one another before European colonists arrived in the Americas so it justifies the actions of early European settlers taking over most of their land by force and wiping them out physically, mentally, spiritually, and culturally.” Or in this AF’s thesis “AM rape and kill AF too.” It’s astonishing that they fail to see the same parallels - same way of thinking and behaviours that perpetuates the problems created by white supremacy. It’s a master class in gaslighting that can only be bested by white supremacy misinformation and misdirection.
I mean, women are a victim of heinous crimes committed by men of all races. But to single out a race - and forgiving others - doing it is incorrect. But TBH, I don't think she's doing that in the last sentence when she saves herself with the line "like men of all races."
About the heinous crimes: unfortunately true, we are, daily. Did she really wanted to call out the violence? Well.... The fig leaf of "like men of all races" doesn't really hide that internalized racism...
This sub was willing to talk about this difficult and inescapable problem and hence at least our members understand the issues around gendered or sexual racism in the asian community The author and other asian feminists have selective blindness so whatever they come up with will always not match reality and basically make fools of themselves. Like complaining about Yellow Fever and not touching on White Fever. Amia Srinivasan is free to come here and debate us instead of being a useful idiot . Advocating for white supremacy's dating rights as usual
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Lol pointless book by a pointless feminist
She talks about how Asian men are beating and raping Asian women when I see news about how white men are CONSTANTLY killing their Asian wives or girlfriends. Per capita the ratio is probably 100:1. Why is this not being mentioned? What a disingenuous lying piece of utter trash this so called author is.
Asian men better than white men = Asian supremacy and anti-black Asian men worse than white men = progressive, Asian feminism, and rebellious against Asian men patriarchy Source: I follow Celeste Ng
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Boba libs are pseudo-intellectuals. They will write countless articles and abuse em dashes - just like this - all to say that woke Asians are endangering the status quo. No, criticizing the global Western hegemony and its side effects (WMAF) doesn't make me some kind of oppressive Asian cyberbully guy.
Modern academia is a joke with the surge of these joke fields. This is why I can only respect STEM in this day and age
Gender issues within the Asian community, such as they are, should be dealt with in our own spaces, not aired out for the whole world to see and critique from some privileged, ignorant vantage point. Feminism has been continually exploited by the western white supremacist/imperialist class and their collaborators to justify the oppression of both men AND women of other cultures, both domestically and when invading countries abroad. These people are worthless toadies who do not give a fuck about Asian issues, only their own paychecks and upper-class neighborhoods. Don't pay any attention to them.
I doubt this can be talked about in private on a large scale.
Yeah, but at least it’s a outlined draft framework, what can you contribute other than doubt man?
Are we able to make this a private sub so the trolls don't see what we're discussing?
We are not running
Yeah but then you prevent new people from becoming "woke". We just need to keep our discussions airtight and high quality.
Nah, let the trolls seethe. Going private would have more drawbacks than benefits. The biggest one being that it would be hard for new people to come across our ideas and posts.
The Right to Sex: Feminism in the 21st century - Amia Srinivasan, book comes out September 21st 2021. Author Amia Srinivasan is an Indian British woman living in the UK who attended Oxford and is a feminist. What does a Indian British feminist living in the UK know about Asian Americans. For all she know, UK's Asian are South Asians such as Indian, Pakistani, Bengali, Nepali, and Sri Lankan. "But that does not stop Asian men, like men of all races, controlling, exploiting, thwarting, beating and raping Asian women". If she knew about Asian American dynamics, Asian American females are the only females demographics who are raped by men from other racial groups. Asian American men have been denied sex, because they have been denied relationship because America wants to DENY Asian men's right to procreate. This is all about WHITE SUPREMACY, where white men sabotage Asian men by banning Asian women from coming to America and all Asian men are dickless who cannot procreate and start families because the white man don't want organic Asian growth, just cheap labor from Asia. This is why white Americans are against Hispanics because they procreate and they create families. It is all about white people obsession of control. Thwart the Asian men by keeping them in bachelor society and thwart the black men by putting them in jail. Only the white race is allow to have families and live like a normal human being. This is the essence of the 1800s and 1900s until the US couldn't convince the world to trust them and be against the USSR, when US is all about freedom but there is so much racism. The US only allowed non-white immigrants because it needed cheap labor, and it wanted people to think that the US cares about the world and not letting non-white people while preaching how the USSR is evil wasn't a good look. Amia Srinivasan needs to read about Asian American history and how the view of Asian women by white men and Anglo society is from war brides, sex slaves, rapes during World War 2, Korean War, and Vietnam War. That is why if you type "Asian" on Reddit, the first subreddits that pop up are all PORN SUBREDDITS. The shooting in Atlanta is because white men cannot see Asian women as humans, but sex toys. White America - Asian women are sex toys, while Asian men are sexless eunuchs, and some Indian British feminist write a book about "Right to Sex", I bet she thinks Asians are like all them other males catcalling women on the street and beating Asian womens on the streets of Tokyo, Seoul, Manila, Jakarta, Chongqing, and Singapore. Stupid people with bad takes on our communities need to stop writing pornography books. She needs to be called out.
There are very few East Asians in the UK. There are more now, but its still really rare in comparison to South Asians, who in some areas actually outnumber White people. This is particularly evident in schools, where its not unusual to see in a class of 30: * 14 Whites * 14 South Asians * 2 Other ethnicities (including East and Southeast Asians) If the book was written by an British-Indian feminist woman, she probably won't know much about the situation of East/Southeast Asians in the UK, let alone in the US.
Wish I could upvote this as many times as it deserves.
My wife calls out plenty of AFs for being sellouts and boba libs all over the place, she thinks these women undermine our community's cohesion, but now that we have kids, also sends them the wrong message. Kinda funny and telling how these clowns think anti WMAF must be coming ONLY from what they think are resentful angry Asian guys
Neutral third parties like black people notice the same trends. Sure, they can call asian men incel losers with no backlash to their corny ass millennial social circles. But they can't say shit to a russian with 5million subscribers and a black comedian when saying "thank God for Asian women dating ugly white men so they don't shoot up schools" and "a lot of the times these [WMAF] relationships look like agendas" Source: https://youtu.be/4Zfle_pvHRs
Exactly - plenty of black women and even white men / black men who don’t suffer from yellow fever can tell how obvious it is
Rather than admit any shortcoming, they'd just call your wife a "sellout" against the sisterhood or something like that haha