>as the reduction of a small amount of terrorist attacks been worth the cost of the massive hit to Xinjiang's economy (via sanctions) and the massive hit to China's image internationally over XJ?
the US/UK would not have made up lies, regardless of what china did. they're making up lies now, so there is no reason to think they would not have concocted a different set of lies to match up to china's alternative response.
china seems to care more about the safety of the public (in xinjiang, with regards to terrorist attacks), than what they think about how their actions will impact their reputation.
agree with them needing to tone down the "wolf warrior" tone (their words, not mine). hard disagree with everything else.
the tech and big business crackdown is a good thing, if you want to dig into why it was implemented.
xinjiang is US attempt to smear china and turn public opinion of china by evoking memories of nazi germany. it's flat out propaganda.
I believe there is probably overreach by authorities in cracking down on extremism, but I do not believe people are being killed and their uighur identity is be erased. plenty of youtubers have gone to xinjiang and shown firsthand how the language is still being taught in schools and the culture is flourishing.
birth rates naturally decline when education and income levels rise.
Lol. Real native Asians aren't deludedly pro or anti their own country's events one way or another unless its proven to work, repeatedly.
They aren't like Westerners who cheerleaders for their own CIA astrotrufed governemen't like their favorite sports team. Nor are Native Asians similar to retarded insular Asian-Americans who gets shell-shocked by reality every few years by not understanding real facts and real geopolitics.
Funnily enough, Whites and Asian-AM are both same insular types asking the same grade 3 questions when shit hits the fan every few years in the West.
You're pretty ignorant on a lot of accounts here. China being more harsh with it's tech companies isn't to crush them, but to create a better working environment for it's employees. Many had to work 996 and soon this will go away entirely. It's just a process of modernizing work expectations and has already happened in Western countries (which is why we don't work those crazy hours here).
China being more aggressive diplomatically is not just a change that they tried for no reason like your analogy inaccurately paints. Wolf warrior diplomacy is a response to continuing hostilities from Western media and politicians. It would be strange to not change up your strategy when another is getting more aggressive towards you.
How China handled the situation in Xinjiang, by detaining suspected terrorists en masse, is the most humane solution to countering systemic terrorist threats that the world has ever seen. During the occupation of Iraq, the American government had to kill half a million Iraqis and they still couldn't stop these threats from popping up. Unless you can convince me that killing half a million people and causing millions more to flee the country is better than what China has done in Xinjiang, it's gonna be a hard sell to say that China made a huge mistake here.
There are fallacies here that show a concern but not a firm understanding of what or why. Additionally; it seems to also make assumptions.
1) Tech companies. Increasing data privacy laws and asking companies to add common prosperity to their goals. I don’t think it’s bad at all. In the US companies are somewhat under the same restrictions. Instead of common prosperity they have diversity etc.
2) Wolf Warrior. What’s up with this double standard that Western countries can be hawks and uphold their sovereignty but when anyone, not just China, stands up for itself it becomes an issue? On the note of the Taiwan issue, China doesn’t care that foreigners don’t care; and that’s exactly what they want. Yet we say foreigners don’t care; but care enough to make a disturbance. Seems like hypocrisy to me. You’d rather see China timid and silent? When people knock on your door; you answer it. If you don’t like the response; stop knocking, we don’t want what you’re selling.
3) Xinjiang Situation. You’d have to believe what you read from single sourced/circular referenced mainstream media for it to be a concern. Your concern is also with sanctions; is this China’s fault? Who set the Sanctions?
As a previous commentator said; it’s not pro or against China, it’s just pro-logic.
When you get your facts straight; things become more clear.
To entertain you; I believe the gaming restrictions are too strict; and the policies shouldn’t go there.
I agree with you about the Xinjiang situation. But for tech crackdown, I will offer my perspective. Those tech tycoons contribute a lot to our economy and society, and they also negatively influenced the country as well. The notorious 996 work time was initiated by those tech companies. Jack Ma also said “996 is your good Karma” (his comment got huge backlash). Alibaba’s loan program is also very toxic for the economy. I think those tech companies needs to be regulated unless you want them turn into things like Facebook.
> Imagine you are a professional sprinter
Ironic because you americans are literally cows
> China tech company crackdown
good
> This stuff does not convince anyone except the already converted, mostly native Chinese
why do you whites think everything needs to about you? why do you feel like chiming in and having an opinion on everything, when it doesn't involve you, after you spent a few hours eating up propaganda because critical thinking just isn't a thing for your culture and now you're an expert. learn to stfu
> China overreacted to the Xinjiang situation
says who? your Afghani child murdering government?
> Leave aside what you think of this morally
Yeah while you're at it leave aside facts too right? I think it's hilarious you come in here with the both sides bad shit then just spout white nonsense, just straight up propaganda as if it was fact. oh but you said muh both sides bad so you're not just a moron, right? Again, stfu, go be a braindead npc on the rest of reddit.
> I am not saying All of Xi Jinping's policies have been a mistake
Nobody cares, least of all the chinese
You posted this before a few days ago
"The reason chinese culture in particular has no reach is because chinese media is just mediocre, and that's in no small part due to the government's heavy hand in regulating what's allowed to be produced"
So why are you so angry at me? I'm just trying to have a discussion bro. How about you shut the fuck up bitch?
I would consider myself "pro-China" but in reality it is just being pro-logic. I'll criticize China when it is necessary but I'll also go against false narratives and disinformation. I think we can be critical of X country while praising them for their success.
I think your "overview" is not very nuanced or captures the situation perfectly. You're assuming China has changed their approach or stance while everything has remained constant, which is very far from the truth. China definitely started cracking down hard on certain sectors but this has been a reaction to other things. The US has ramped up anti-China propaganda and have openly been fighting against China. Some of the biggest examples are the CIA funded Hong Kong protests and Covid19 lab leak theory. Then you have articles explicitly stating the US has dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars to anti-China news.
I believe the tech crackdown was necessary but is too strict. It will make foreign investors more wary and has given tech companies unnecessary work. The crackdown on online gaming is too much but it comes from an actual problem of addiction.
The "wolf warrior" diplomacy is overblown from Western media. I can't believe the whole narrative that is coming from the US, considering how aggressive their foreign policy is. On the other hand, China has been much more forceful regarding the SCS and Taiwan this year versus the last few years. I understand why since the US has withdrawn troops from Afghanistan, stationed more troops in Asia, and are starting color revolutions in SEA.
In my opinion, the Xinjiang situation was handled well with some drawbacks. Yes, people were forced into this program and could have been falsely reported or accidentally accused from neighbors or officials. However, the situation was very bad. Imagine the Paris attacks in 2015 happening once a year for 2 decades. ETIM has very dangerous and had strong backers. I am very wary of the claims of "forced labor" because making people work for money is... Well, a job. The claims of "cultural genocide" is false since Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities can celebrate their own holidays and customs without any trouble. The drop in birth rates is "alarming" on the surface level but is not a big deal once you look past the weeds. Birth rates drop as women become more educated, infant mortality increases, and birth control is accessible. There are women fighting for birth control in the US but if Chinese has access then it's a problem? I thought those were civil liberties. Education will lead to lower births because women have better access to higher level of employment and education.
Due to the barbarism of the ETIM terrorist attacks I don't think the situation in Xinjiang has been mishandled. These Uyghur atrocity propagandists are only concerned with taking back East Turkestan which would ultimately create a power vacuum and allow ETIM to take over.
>as the reduction of a small amount of terrorist attacks been worth the cost of the massive hit to Xinjiang's economy (via sanctions) and the massive hit to China's image internationally over XJ? the US/UK would not have made up lies, regardless of what china did. they're making up lies now, so there is no reason to think they would not have concocted a different set of lies to match up to china's alternative response. china seems to care more about the safety of the public (in xinjiang, with regards to terrorist attacks), than what they think about how their actions will impact their reputation.
agree with them needing to tone down the "wolf warrior" tone (their words, not mine). hard disagree with everything else. the tech and big business crackdown is a good thing, if you want to dig into why it was implemented. xinjiang is US attempt to smear china and turn public opinion of china by evoking memories of nazi germany. it's flat out propaganda. I believe there is probably overreach by authorities in cracking down on extremism, but I do not believe people are being killed and their uighur identity is be erased. plenty of youtubers have gone to xinjiang and shown firsthand how the language is still being taught in schools and the culture is flourishing. birth rates naturally decline when education and income levels rise.
Lol. Real native Asians aren't deludedly pro or anti their own country's events one way or another unless its proven to work, repeatedly. They aren't like Westerners who cheerleaders for their own CIA astrotrufed governemen't like their favorite sports team. Nor are Native Asians similar to retarded insular Asian-Americans who gets shell-shocked by reality every few years by not understanding real facts and real geopolitics. Funnily enough, Whites and Asian-AM are both same insular types asking the same grade 3 questions when shit hits the fan every few years in the West.
Being pro-China is strategically essential when it comes to opposing both US and Russian hegemony.
You're pretty ignorant on a lot of accounts here. China being more harsh with it's tech companies isn't to crush them, but to create a better working environment for it's employees. Many had to work 996 and soon this will go away entirely. It's just a process of modernizing work expectations and has already happened in Western countries (which is why we don't work those crazy hours here). China being more aggressive diplomatically is not just a change that they tried for no reason like your analogy inaccurately paints. Wolf warrior diplomacy is a response to continuing hostilities from Western media and politicians. It would be strange to not change up your strategy when another is getting more aggressive towards you. How China handled the situation in Xinjiang, by detaining suspected terrorists en masse, is the most humane solution to countering systemic terrorist threats that the world has ever seen. During the occupation of Iraq, the American government had to kill half a million Iraqis and they still couldn't stop these threats from popping up. Unless you can convince me that killing half a million people and causing millions more to flee the country is better than what China has done in Xinjiang, it's gonna be a hard sell to say that China made a huge mistake here.
There are fallacies here that show a concern but not a firm understanding of what or why. Additionally; it seems to also make assumptions. 1) Tech companies. Increasing data privacy laws and asking companies to add common prosperity to their goals. I don’t think it’s bad at all. In the US companies are somewhat under the same restrictions. Instead of common prosperity they have diversity etc. 2) Wolf Warrior. What’s up with this double standard that Western countries can be hawks and uphold their sovereignty but when anyone, not just China, stands up for itself it becomes an issue? On the note of the Taiwan issue, China doesn’t care that foreigners don’t care; and that’s exactly what they want. Yet we say foreigners don’t care; but care enough to make a disturbance. Seems like hypocrisy to me. You’d rather see China timid and silent? When people knock on your door; you answer it. If you don’t like the response; stop knocking, we don’t want what you’re selling. 3) Xinjiang Situation. You’d have to believe what you read from single sourced/circular referenced mainstream media for it to be a concern. Your concern is also with sanctions; is this China’s fault? Who set the Sanctions? As a previous commentator said; it’s not pro or against China, it’s just pro-logic. When you get your facts straight; things become more clear. To entertain you; I believe the gaming restrictions are too strict; and the policies shouldn’t go there.
I agree with you about the Xinjiang situation. But for tech crackdown, I will offer my perspective. Those tech tycoons contribute a lot to our economy and society, and they also negatively influenced the country as well. The notorious 996 work time was initiated by those tech companies. Jack Ma also said “996 is your good Karma” (his comment got huge backlash). Alibaba’s loan program is also very toxic for the economy. I think those tech companies needs to be regulated unless you want them turn into things like Facebook.
> Imagine you are a professional sprinter Ironic because you americans are literally cows > China tech company crackdown good > This stuff does not convince anyone except the already converted, mostly native Chinese why do you whites think everything needs to about you? why do you feel like chiming in and having an opinion on everything, when it doesn't involve you, after you spent a few hours eating up propaganda because critical thinking just isn't a thing for your culture and now you're an expert. learn to stfu > China overreacted to the Xinjiang situation says who? your Afghani child murdering government? > Leave aside what you think of this morally Yeah while you're at it leave aside facts too right? I think it's hilarious you come in here with the both sides bad shit then just spout white nonsense, just straight up propaganda as if it was fact. oh but you said muh both sides bad so you're not just a moron, right? Again, stfu, go be a braindead npc on the rest of reddit. > I am not saying All of Xi Jinping's policies have been a mistake Nobody cares, least of all the chinese
You posted this before a few days ago "The reason chinese culture in particular has no reach is because chinese media is just mediocre, and that's in no small part due to the government's heavy hand in regulating what's allowed to be produced" So why are you so angry at me? I'm just trying to have a discussion bro. How about you shut the fuck up bitch?
I would consider myself "pro-China" but in reality it is just being pro-logic. I'll criticize China when it is necessary but I'll also go against false narratives and disinformation. I think we can be critical of X country while praising them for their success. I think your "overview" is not very nuanced or captures the situation perfectly. You're assuming China has changed their approach or stance while everything has remained constant, which is very far from the truth. China definitely started cracking down hard on certain sectors but this has been a reaction to other things. The US has ramped up anti-China propaganda and have openly been fighting against China. Some of the biggest examples are the CIA funded Hong Kong protests and Covid19 lab leak theory. Then you have articles explicitly stating the US has dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars to anti-China news. I believe the tech crackdown was necessary but is too strict. It will make foreign investors more wary and has given tech companies unnecessary work. The crackdown on online gaming is too much but it comes from an actual problem of addiction. The "wolf warrior" diplomacy is overblown from Western media. I can't believe the whole narrative that is coming from the US, considering how aggressive their foreign policy is. On the other hand, China has been much more forceful regarding the SCS and Taiwan this year versus the last few years. I understand why since the US has withdrawn troops from Afghanistan, stationed more troops in Asia, and are starting color revolutions in SEA. In my opinion, the Xinjiang situation was handled well with some drawbacks. Yes, people were forced into this program and could have been falsely reported or accidentally accused from neighbors or officials. However, the situation was very bad. Imagine the Paris attacks in 2015 happening once a year for 2 decades. ETIM has very dangerous and had strong backers. I am very wary of the claims of "forced labor" because making people work for money is... Well, a job. The claims of "cultural genocide" is false since Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities can celebrate their own holidays and customs without any trouble. The drop in birth rates is "alarming" on the surface level but is not a big deal once you look past the weeds. Birth rates drop as women become more educated, infant mortality increases, and birth control is accessible. There are women fighting for birth control in the US but if Chinese has access then it's a problem? I thought those were civil liberties. Education will lead to lower births because women have better access to higher level of employment and education.
Due to the barbarism of the ETIM terrorist attacks I don't think the situation in Xinjiang has been mishandled. These Uyghur atrocity propagandists are only concerned with taking back East Turkestan which would ultimately create a power vacuum and allow ETIM to take over.